S Korea also uses FA50 for ground attack with anti tank cluster bombs CBU100 which has lower maintenance costs and free up other 4.5 and 5th generation fighter for air to air and other multirole duties. Maintaining a large air force will require high and low fighters to deal with different missions. You can't just field all 5th generation or 4.5 generation for every duties. European countries doesn't make cluster bombs anymore. Only the US and S Korea still makes cluster bombs to deal with bigger wars. Major draw backs buying fighters from European countries is that they are very expensive to operate and parts are not plentiful to deal with sudden attack. Germany's 95% Eurofighters are on the ground waiting for parts. Getting aircraft parts from Italy is also challenging as Poland experienced from buying M346 trainers.
Calling the FA-50 a 4.5 generation fighter and trying to make it sound more advanced than the F-16 is quite silly. It’s a modified trainer jet repurposed as a light attack aircraft.
In all honesty, you are right. But it's a ¾-sized early model F16 that's gun and missile equipped, that can fire air-to-air as well as air-to-ground missiles and deliver precision bombs at much lower operating costs. It may not matter to EU or the US, but lower operating costs means they can be used more frequently. Plus the fact that routine QRAs need not be passed to more sophisticated or heavier aircraft like the F15 or F35.
Dude, you have obviously been misinformed about it perhaps by UA-camrs or small medias overly proud of their acquisition of FA-50. Korea does not define FA-50 but KF-21 as 4.5Gen. First of all, Korean military fans would be uprising if the company ever introduce the jet as 4.5Gen. Also Koreans would be feeling disgraceful and really ashamed of scamming the clients, just like some other country were trying to sell off unfinished products with full of fancy words. For example, early batches of Su-35, Rafale, and F-35As.
Your information is out of date. The Poland and Malaysia both bought Block 20 version which is an upgraded version of FA-50. The Block 20 essentially upgrades the FA-50 with additional gear from Lockheed Martin F-16 parts shelf so that it will only be second to F-16Viper. A new AESA radar, sniper targeting pod for precision weapons, longer range missiles (thanks to AESA radar), air-refueling, single-seat configuration, etc. While waiting in line for 6-8 years for a brand new F-16V, you can buy Block 20 version FA-50 and have delivered in 2 years or less to get used to flying and training. Once F-16V is delivered in 6-7 years, it will only take FA-50 pilots 6 hours of additional training to switch over to the F-16V. All the pilot cockpit instrumentation is essentially the same (controls are same also).
@@jwb1227 FA-50을 운용할수 있게 되면, F-16이나 F-35를 단시간에 운용할수 있다는 뜻이 됩니다. 하이급 전투기를 타기 위한 최적의 훈련기로 FA-50의 존재의 이유입니다. 물론 하이 로우 전략특성상. 경전투기, 중형전투기, 하이급 전투기의 운용이 필요하며, 그 3가지 전환 훈련에서 정말 필요한 존재가 값싸게 훈련 할수있는 경전투기의 존재입니다. F-16의 임무를 FA-50에게 부여하여, 최적의 값싸고, 동일한 전략을 구사 할수있습니다. 단순 정찰, 지원폭격임무에서 비싼 하이급 전투기를 내보낼 필요는 없습니다. 경전투기나 미들급이 나눠서 하면 되기 때문이죠.
FA-50 designed to get a 70% performance of F-16. FA-50 is acceptable for short CAS mission and middle-low intensity conflict, but not a alternative jet of F-16. FA-50 has almost same system with F-16, so it is great tranning jet for F-16. Dont need to waste F-16 for trainning mission.
@@BEN_DESCARTES The Malaysia purchase was in the regular news. This is not a hoax. Military weapons are not bought with cash money but with special financing available for governments all over the world.
Wow… So many factual errors…. Both costs does not reflect any updates or upgrades. F16V’s current program cost is well above $90m (with some add-ons, easily above $100m). FA50 PL or Block20 program cost is $50-55m depending on the add-ons. KAI deliberately tries to keep the price at half the cost of F16. FA50 and Block10 was PESA radar, only from Block20 AESA radar is to be installed. There is an agreement with KAI and Lockheed Martin that FA50 upgrades will not exceed the performance of F16 operated by Korean Airforce. As Korean Air Force is getting their upgrade for F16U, FA50 is allowed to be upgraded to a similar level as F16V (but obviously due to much smaller airframe, the range, weapon load, hard points etc will always be less than F16). They are different categories. It is like comparing feather weight vs heavy weight champions.
Saying that F-16 is 1973 year aircraft is like saying toyota corolla 1966 year car. Both corolla and f-16 were modernized. They are entirely different models from their original year model.
I notice you left out some very important specifications, like thrust to weight ratio, payload, missile ranges, etc. The FA-50 is a trainer/light combat aircraft. The F-16 is a true, multi-role, front line fighter. The FA-50 excels at purchase price and cost of ownership. The $30 million/unit price you used is from 2012, and Poland is paying $50m USD/aircraft for its current order. F-16 prices vary greatly, as do SAAB Gripen prices. The Gripen is the cheapest, Western made, frontline fighter to operate. The FA-50 is cheaper still, but much less capable. The FA-50 may soon face stiff competition from a fighter/attack version (F/T-7X) of the Boeing/SAAB T-7A Red Hawk, which beat out the Korean jet for the USAF T-X contract.
It already has a stiff competition just Leonardo m346/yak-130, no? Of course it is more capable, but also more expensive, and for the advanced training/light attacking role the Italian-Russian design does the trick.
@@fmac6441 Interestingly, while Poland previously bought 16 M-346 trainers, they had signed contracts to buy 48 KAI FA-50s, to replace their aging Su-22 and MiG-29 fighters.
@@PlugInRides Maybe the video isn't as wrong as you and I think. Apparently Poland sees the FA-50 as a light fighter and not an advanced trainer/light attack
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el FA50 tiene dos grandes ventajas sobre el F16 cualesquiera sea su block, primero, para vigilar y servir para ocurrencias de menor magnitud en grandes extenciones de territorio en forma continua al menor costo de hora vuelo , a menor precio más posibilidades de duplicar el stock de naves y segundo, lo más importante , son casi la mísma tecnología pero el coreano es NUEVO, sin parches sobre parches, materiales sin fatiga de vuelo lo que encarece al F16 su costo de mantenimiento
This is a quite silly comparision. FA-50 is no match to F-16. Each plane has different usage. Sometimes you need super car, sometimes you need daily car. You don't need a super car when you go to Walmart.
Pero por supuesto es mejor el f16, ya que es una aeronave mayor!!!!! Pero también es cloro que el FA50 es junto con el m346 las mejores aeronaves de su tipo.
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Duh... both are made by Lockheed Martin and F-16 is considered a "higher" model. Block 20 essentially upgrades the FA-50 with additional gear from Lockheed Martin F-16 parts shelf so that it will only be second to F-16Viper (Block 20 will be better than F-16 Block 50 definitely and equal to Block 60 in performance but carries less weight in weapons due to 2 less hardpoints). A new AESA radar, sniper targeting pod for precision weapons, longer range BVR missiles (thanks to AESA radar), air-refueling, single-seat configuration, etc. While waiting in line for 6-8 years for a brand new F-16V, you can buy Block 20 version FA-50 and have delivered in 2 years or less to get used to flying and training. Once F-16V is delivered in 6-7 years, it will only take FA-50 pilots 6 hours of additional training to switch over to the F-16V. All the pilot cockpit instrumentation is essentially the same (controls are same also).
Koreans are great at hype. They are also quite capable of winning tenders below the cost of production per unit but adding their profit onto the cost of service and parts.
Profits from MRO (maintenance, repair and operation) is played by all weapons manufacturers but KAI charges waaaaayyyyyy less than what Lockheed Martin charges for the F-16s/F-35s. F-35 costs $42,000 for every hour in the air. F-16 costs $22,000 for every hour in the air. FA-50 costs less than $8,000 for every hour in the air and have higher MCR percentage above 90%. F-16 has around 70% MCR and don't even ask about F-35... due to stealth maintenance it is around 40% MCR on a good day.
@@will5989 Not sure. MRO is a VARIABLE cost so hard to nail down a fixed cost like the initial per unit cost of the aircraft. Because of the huge different in MRO, the longer you use the FA-50 Block 20 (next upgraded version sold to Poland and Malaysia is better than F-16 Block 50 and almost equals Block 60) for its estimated life, it will be lower in total cost of ownership than F-16. Cost less to buy and costs less to operate... but this is not a competition since FA-50, F-16 and F-35 are all Lockheed Martin family and are designed to work together in High/Mid/Low operation. Having FA-50 extends the useful service lives of both F-35 and F-16 which is why both U.S. Air Force and Navy are looking at the FA-50 for its own use.
Philippines has FA 50 but aint no way you can compare FA 50 to a F16... F16 is so imbalance purposely for maneuver capability with a highspeed made for war, its even faster than a new f35😂.. FA 50 is a training jet 😂 like bro. Im patriotic to Philippines but im not blind when I see jets that are over power
S Korea also uses FA50 for ground attack with anti tank cluster bombs CBU100 which has lower maintenance costs and free up other 4.5 and 5th generation fighter for air to air and other multirole duties. Maintaining a large air force will require high and low fighters to deal with different missions. You can't just field all 5th generation or 4.5 generation for every duties. European countries doesn't make cluster bombs anymore. Only the US and S Korea still makes cluster bombs to deal with bigger wars. Major draw backs buying fighters from European countries is that they are very expensive to operate and parts are not plentiful to deal with sudden attack. Germany's 95% Eurofighters are on the ground waiting for parts. Getting aircraft parts from Italy is also challenging as Poland experienced from buying M346 trainers.
fa50 has that f16 DNA in them. it was desinged jointly by Lockheed and KAI.
Calling the FA-50 a 4.5 generation fighter and trying to make it sound more advanced than the F-16 is quite silly. It’s a modified trainer jet repurposed as a light attack aircraft.
In all honesty, you are right. But it's a ¾-sized early model F16 that's gun and missile equipped, that can fire air-to-air as well as air-to-ground missiles and deliver precision bombs at much lower operating costs. It may not matter to EU or the US, but lower operating costs means they can be used more frequently. Plus the fact that routine QRAs need not be passed to more sophisticated or heavier aircraft like the F15 or F35.
Dude, you have obviously been misinformed about it perhaps by UA-camrs or small medias overly proud of their acquisition of FA-50. Korea does not define FA-50 but KF-21 as 4.5Gen. First of all, Korean military fans would be uprising if the company ever introduce the jet as 4.5Gen. Also Koreans would be feeling disgraceful and really ashamed of scamming the clients, just like some other country were trying to sell off unfinished products with full of fancy words. For example, early batches of Su-35, Rafale, and F-35As.
Your information is out of date. The Poland and Malaysia both bought Block 20 version which is an upgraded version of FA-50. The Block 20 essentially upgrades the FA-50 with additional gear from Lockheed Martin F-16 parts shelf so that it will only be second to F-16Viper. A new AESA radar, sniper targeting pod for precision weapons, longer range missiles (thanks to AESA radar), air-refueling, single-seat configuration, etc. While waiting in line for 6-8 years for a brand new F-16V, you can buy Block 20 version FA-50 and have delivered in 2 years or less to get used to flying and training. Once F-16V is delivered in 6-7 years, it will only take FA-50 pilots 6 hours of additional training to switch over to the F-16V. All the pilot cockpit instrumentation is essentially the same (controls are same also).
@@jwb1227 FA-50을 운용할수 있게 되면,
F-16이나 F-35를 단시간에 운용할수 있다는 뜻이 됩니다.
하이급 전투기를 타기 위한 최적의 훈련기로 FA-50의 존재의 이유입니다.
물론 하이 로우 전략특성상. 경전투기, 중형전투기, 하이급 전투기의 운용이 필요하며,
그 3가지 전환 훈련에서 정말 필요한 존재가 값싸게 훈련 할수있는 경전투기의 존재입니다.
F-16의 임무를 FA-50에게 부여하여, 최적의 값싸고, 동일한 전략을 구사 할수있습니다.
단순 정찰, 지원폭격임무에서 비싼 하이급 전투기를 내보낼 필요는 없습니다.
경전투기나 미들급이 나눠서 하면 되기 때문이죠.
100%
How about the newest version, the FA-50 block 20? How does it compare to F-16? I wonder what type of F-16 can is comparable to FA-50 Block 20
FA-50 designed to get a 70% performance of F-16. FA-50 is acceptable for short CAS mission and middle-low intensity conflict, but not a alternative jet of F-16. FA-50 has almost same system with F-16, so it is great tranning jet for F-16. Dont need to waste F-16 for trainning mission.
Can you make a comparison between JAS 39 Gripen and FA-50. Please 🙏
i will
Not comparable. Different roles.
Stop the BS..its a trainer that they re purpose as a fighter. Dont get me wrong, its good but not better than the F16. The F16 has a track record..
Malaysia already buy FA50 Block 20 aircrafts,this LCA/FLIT cost is USD51 mil per unit,totally 18 and the cost is USD919 ni(MYR4 billion)
HOAX
@@BEN_DESCARTES This info is valid.
Pls refer to Defense Security Asia jurnal
@@ilhamthereds160 malaysia didnt have money
@@BEN_DESCARTES The Malaysia purchase was in the regular news. This is not a hoax. Military weapons are not bought with cash money but with special financing available for governments all over the world.
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Wow…
So many factual errors….
Both costs does not reflect any updates or upgrades.
F16V’s current program cost is well above $90m (with some add-ons, easily above $100m).
FA50 PL or Block20 program cost is $50-55m depending on the add-ons. KAI deliberately tries to keep the price at half the cost of F16.
FA50 and Block10 was PESA radar, only from Block20 AESA radar is to be installed.
There is an agreement with KAI and Lockheed Martin that FA50 upgrades will not exceed the performance of F16 operated by Korean Airforce. As Korean Air Force is getting their upgrade for F16U, FA50 is allowed to be upgraded to a similar level as F16V (but obviously due to much smaller airframe, the range, weapon load, hard points etc will always be less than F16).
They are different categories. It is like comparing feather weight vs heavy weight champions.
Fa50 a small multirole fighter if there is a conversion to mach 2 engine and a single seater
Forget compare last upgrades
Why are we comparing these two aircraft? Compare them to aircraft that fit the same role xD
FI pesawat latihan FA50 adalah pesawat latihan & pesawat pejuang ringan, dari segi keupayaan Fi & FA50 adalah jauh berbeza
1973 vs 2002 FA 50 fit for PAF for the range of indo Pacific only
Saying that F-16 is 1973 year aircraft is like saying toyota corolla 1966 year car. Both corolla and f-16 were modernized. They are entirely different models from their original year model.
This is silly. The T-50 is a supersonic trainer and light attack craft. The f-16 is a front line fighter.
I notice you left out some very important specifications, like thrust to weight ratio, payload, missile ranges, etc. The FA-50 is a trainer/light combat aircraft. The F-16 is a true, multi-role, front line fighter.
The FA-50 excels at purchase price and cost of ownership. The $30 million/unit price you used is from 2012, and Poland is paying $50m USD/aircraft for its current order. F-16 prices vary greatly, as do SAAB Gripen prices. The Gripen is the cheapest, Western made, frontline fighter to operate. The FA-50 is cheaper still, but much less capable.
The FA-50 may soon face stiff competition from a fighter/attack version (F/T-7X) of the Boeing/SAAB T-7A Red Hawk, which beat out the Korean jet for the USAF T-X contract.
It already has a stiff competition just Leonardo m346/yak-130, no?
Of course it is more capable, but also more expensive, and for the advanced training/light attacking role the Italian-Russian design does the trick.
@@fmac6441 And nothing says well-made or reliable. like "Italian-Russian".
@@PlugInRides You have a great point, but I mean it in terms of sales .
I think both platforms are around 200 units sold
@@fmac6441 Interestingly, while Poland previously bought 16 M-346 trainers, they had signed contracts to buy 48 KAI FA-50s, to replace their aging Su-22 and MiG-29 fighters.
@@PlugInRides Maybe the video isn't as wrong as you and I think.
Apparently Poland sees the FA-50 as a light fighter and not an advanced trainer/light attack
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ridiculous to compare two of them
Nice
Where to buy those planes. I want to buy 10 unit each.
Any special discount or special gift?
Interesting, but a good share of details 👍
el FA50 tiene dos grandes ventajas sobre el F16 cualesquiera sea su block, primero, para vigilar y servir para ocurrencias de menor magnitud en grandes extenciones de territorio en forma continua al menor costo de hora vuelo , a menor precio más posibilidades de duplicar el stock de naves y segundo, lo más importante , son casi la mísma tecnología pero el coreano es NUEVO, sin parches sobre parches, materiales sin fatiga de vuelo lo que encarece al F16 su costo de mantenimiento
Might as well compare the KF-21 to the F-22 while you’re at. 😂
This is a quite silly comparision. FA-50 is no match to F-16. Each plane has different usage. Sometimes you need super car, sometimes you need daily car. You don't need a super car when you go to Walmart.
DOS OBJETIVOS DIFERENTES CON UNO ENTRENAS CON EL OTRO COMBATES
Not comparable. Different roles. Duh.
LOL trying to find 30 years used F16A/B for $35 million.
F-16 @ usd35 mil per unit? You gotta be kidding me. Not the latest f-16 v definitely,
F-16V costs 63 million USD and that cost is without an engine.
Should have compared it with Yak-130 instead
Lockheed Martin must ensure S.Korea FA50 is no different or just another name for an export version of F16 Fighting Falcon....
FA 50 is a completely different airframe than the F16.
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LOL, Producer of this vid doesn't know what they're talking about. Another channel created for clicks and quick youtube cash.
Bvr range fa50
Pero por supuesto es mejor el f16, ya que es una aeronave mayor!!!!! Pero también es cloro que el FA50 es junto con el m346 las mejores aeronaves de su tipo.
Fa 50 vs amx internasional
F16 is never 35million. F16V is kbrt 100 million
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F16 is Better than FA50
Duh... both are made by Lockheed Martin and F-16 is considered a "higher" model. Block 20 essentially upgrades the FA-50 with additional gear from Lockheed Martin F-16 parts shelf so that it will only be second to F-16Viper (Block 20 will be better than F-16 Block 50 definitely and equal to Block 60 in performance but carries less weight in weapons due to 2 less hardpoints). A new AESA radar, sniper targeting pod for precision weapons, longer range BVR missiles (thanks to AESA radar), air-refueling, single-seat configuration, etc. While waiting in line for 6-8 years for a brand new F-16V, you can buy Block 20 version FA-50 and have delivered in 2 years or less to get used to flying and training. Once F-16V is delivered in 6-7 years, it will only take FA-50 pilots 6 hours of additional training to switch over to the F-16V. All the pilot cockpit instrumentation is essentially the same (controls are same also).
Koreans are great at hype. They are also quite capable of winning tenders below the cost of production per unit but adding their profit onto the cost of service and parts.
일본인?? 항상 한국을 모함하는 인간들은 일본인
Profits from MRO (maintenance, repair and operation) is played by all weapons manufacturers but KAI charges waaaaayyyyyy less than what Lockheed Martin charges for the F-16s/F-35s. F-35 costs $42,000 for every hour in the air. F-16 costs $22,000 for every hour in the air. FA-50 costs less than $8,000 for every hour in the air and have higher MCR percentage above 90%. F-16 has around 70% MCR and don't even ask about F-35... due to stealth maintenance it is around 40% MCR on a good day.
@@jwb1227 Thanks for the input. What do the costs come down to when MRO of the respective Air Forces are added to the calculation?
@@will5989 Not sure. MRO is a VARIABLE cost so hard to nail down a fixed cost like the initial per unit cost of the aircraft. Because of the huge different in MRO, the longer you use the FA-50 Block 20 (next upgraded version sold to Poland and Malaysia is better than F-16 Block 50 and almost equals Block 60) for its estimated life, it will be lower in total cost of ownership than F-16. Cost less to buy and costs less to operate... but this is not a competition since FA-50, F-16 and F-35 are all Lockheed Martin family and are designed to work together in High/Mid/Low operation. Having FA-50 extends the useful service lives of both F-35 and F-16 which is why both U.S. Air Force and Navy are looking at the FA-50 for its own use.
@@jwb1227 Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.
Philippines has FA 50 but aint no way you can compare FA 50 to a F16... F16 is so imbalance purposely for maneuver capability with a highspeed made for war, its even faster than a new f35😂.. FA 50 is a training jet 😂 like bro. Im patriotic to Philippines but im not blind when I see jets that are over power