“On a scale of 1-10 which 10 being definitely still human and 1 being barely human, how human are jewish people? We brought in someone who said 10 and someone who said -5 to talk over their differences; perhaps the answer lies somewhere in the middle” like bitch what lol
The whole video is just them being like "ackshually we're herpesebolaphiles because the ki -- I mean, sexually mature women we're attracted to are double digits and it's totally normal for most men who aren't gaaayyy (which is the real immoral and evil here) to want a girl who's barely hit puberty! and the Feminists are trying to suppress that!"
@@Sing_A_Rebel_Song you can't say that because more men wil threaten to do this with you again. I tried to open myself in a forum made for victims and 4 guys got into my dms saying they will r*p* me. And then one man has the audacity to ask why i think every men is capable of that, why im so scared around men, why i h*t* men
And also, childhood starvation and food insecurity is correlated with obesity in adulthood (once food insecurity is resolved). If there's any connection between the two topics, the long term effects of the human rights violations, particularly when it comes to starvation, malnutrition, and food insecurity and the lifetime (mental and physical) health effects of surviving such horrific abuse.
What's wild is that his point could be used to discredit all of his content. He rants against hypergamy and how all women are liars, but has he considered that there are orphans in Yemen?
@@Matty002Yeah, if I wanted to have information on the topic, I could just look at maps and graphs! Why watching something useless and painful whennm I could learn and have fun (learning is fun in itself, but you get what I mean. Graphs are cool!)
they gotta start creating more conflicts between oddly specific and non related groups. "transgender Art school students versus Californian truck drivers" "Meme page admins versus grocery store clerks"
THOSE PAIRINGS WOULD ACTUALLY FIND COMMON GROUND!!! Because they have no agenda, they’re just human beings. Platforming professional conservative pundits and pitting them against everyday people is just farming rage bait.
Lawyer here: there is no bias against men in divorce court, there is bias against WOMEN in divorce court. Statistically, men win their requests for sole custody and shared custody more than women do in every single US state. The reason women get custody more is simply because they ask for it substantially more.
I’m not asking this to start a debate but do you know where I could find a source for this. I work with a lot of jaded divorced men and this would honestly make my day.
true, i honestly dont understand why a judge would allow joint custody to a man who physically abused their wife to the point even their kids hate him. (exactly what happened with my mom) they accused my mom of so many things aswell like bro why are judges like this they seem to lack common sense
@@praetoria_ Great question! Motions made before judges involving children are rarely ever public record, because it protects the rights of the minor. That's why you would have a very hard time finding data on this. You can find data on who has custody of children from the Census data, but you can't find data on the motions in court that led to that. That provides fertile ground for upset men to make claims that the court was 'so against them!' when it comes to children, and their data is basically their anecdote and 'trust me bro'. My source was internal data from my law firm that I started keeping because I got so fed up with men in my office saying this stuff. But I would like to appeal to common sense here; we live in a world that has mostly male judges, mostly male litigators, mostly male cops and mostly male legislators. So what these divorced men are saying is laws written by men, enforced by men, argued by men and judged by men........have a pro WOMAN bias. Suuuuuure.
On the episode i did, "Stay-at-home Moms vs Working Moms", it was really awkward because you could tell they were trying to pin us against one another by some of the questions being asked and they were giving us direction along the lines of "You guys can intervene with questions if you want." They were basically directing us to fight. We kept just listening and agreeing though, because at the end of the day, we were all just tired moms trying to have a day away from the stresses of life 😂, so they had to reframe our episode to be like "girl power". But as you can see from the views on our video, getting along doesn't sell. Jubilee has just turned into rage bait more and more as the years have passed.
Did they have any work from home moms? Seems like a middle ground lol What a dumb premise for a debate tho. Like you said, parents who do actual parenting are tired. Pushing each other down isn't going to make us feel better. I had that Convo with my own kiddo a couple of times in the past month, she had some not nice comments made to her. It's a lesson probably fresh in most parent's minds
@@UnicornsPoopRainbowsthey were probably hoping to get a Pearl type of person, someone who’s gonna say ‘be a stay at home mom or else you’re morally bad’. It’s funny though, how you actually get stay at home and working moms and they just… don’t have issues with each other. It’s almost like people can do different things in life and not hate everyone for not doing what they’re doing.
I've been on Jubilee twice, and it was one of the least productive experience of my life. Everyone comes in with their own agendas and treats it like a debate to win, rather than a conversation for understanding. Regardless of what Jubilee's mission statements are, It's impossible to foster conversation with respect when you handpick PragerU influencers and people who deny your very existence (as a trans woman of color).
Very Big Joel's Dr Phil's House of Horror of them. "We brought together people who hate each other. On one side of the spectrum, we have a white supremacist who hates black people and wants to eradicate them. On the other side, we have a black person who hates white supremacists. Can they overcome their differences and meet in the middle?!?"
Completely!! I’m nonbinary and it’s so frustrating to be constantly judged for not wanting to debate my existence with people who will fundamentally never accept it bc its a threat to their worldview. And i hate that platforms like jubilee give a platform to the most hateful views imaginable for the sake of “the debate”
Never been on Jubilee but sounds about right. Even from just watching it from the outside looking in you can see that most people there do not want to understand anything or learn anything new. They think its about proving their point or "winning".
the problem is for you tht "trans debate" is very personal and for them its just something they hate and if they say its personal they're lying so the conversation is already starting on a power imbalance. maybe if they brought some scientis and academics in general on both sides? idk either way it still gives power to something that shouldnt even be politicized or debated. you never see jews s n*zi video
@@slackslumber8523same type of people who treat debate as a harmless, fun pastime that they can walk away from whenever they want, meanwhile the person on the other end of their debate is forced constantly in their daily life to fight for every shred of respect.
@@Joe-iq1bu You people aren’t capable of comprehending the difference between someone being a woman socially vs biologically so I don’t think there’s a point to defining those differences when you’re so closed-minded.
"People respect things that are hard". As a disabeld women I can say, they do not. People look down on people with disabilities, even if disabilities makes life harder. Specielly people with learning disabilities and intellectual disabilities are looked down upon. Even if thats one of the groups that has it hardest in life. Another groups is homeless. Its hard to e homeless and its not respected to be homeless either.
It also doesn't work because her example was sex work, which is a fucking hard industry to be successful in. As a former sex worker no one without experience in the industry seems to get how much hard work goes into all varieties of sex work. Stripping is incredibly difficult with long hours, on your feet in high heels for hours and dancing takes a huge toll on the body, not to mention the amount of customer service, maintaining your appearance etc. Online work? Gotta do hours of admin a day, film content, edit content, advertising alone takes a shit tonne of time, laiase with customers for custom content etc.
I know the feeling. I struggle to maintain jobs because I'm autistic with ADHD, and most jobs just weren't made for me. As far as I'm aware, there aren't resources for autistic adults like me where I live. I'm sick of coworkers that don't understand me looking down on me. They don't realize how difficult my day-to-day life is, because they don't see the amount of effort I have to put in just to accomplish basic tasks.
@@sweetsour4375hugs I'm sorry you don't have access to support. I know you're probably not in California and possibly diagnosed in away that could hinder but you should look into your states social services, in California it department of rehabilitation, that can help with job training including job coaching etc. Definitely not every state but maybe this might help you find support or at least know what you're for asking isn't unreasonable.
Exactly what I've been saying! Another favorite (derogatory) variant of mine is "4 random well-adjusted normal people off the street belonging to a minority vs. 4 people who spend 16 hours a day on message boards inventing new slurs for that minority".
Stephen Crowder showing up with a camera crew, a literal binder full of talking points, total control of sound & editing, and a posse of paid hype men just absolutely DESTROYING fresh-faced college students 😎 epic style energy
“It’s ridiculous that we have all these fat people running around, yet there are people being bombed in Gaza” those are two completely separate thoughts, dude WHAT
That entire episode is unhinged. Marlon was allowed to say anything that came to mind and everyone just had to sit there and listen to it. At some point he started in on his “women are evil” thing and the moderator didn’t even attempt to stop him even though it had nothing to do with the question
i think mr fit thinks fat americans can just put their donuts in the mail for the sad gazan children 😢 why are you personally starving the war victims, ladies from my 600 pound life
I was on middle ground and they cut out the part where I was arguing that without labor nothing has value. I used the Jubilee filming crew as an example and pointed out the owner was not at the shoot yet the video we were filming was creating value for the company. Sad they didn't unionize after my episode.
Thankfully I’ve gotten to a point where I can very clearly express that someone’s right to exist is not even close to someone’s want to remove another’s existence. I also frequently mention the tolerance paradox and thankfully that usually makes people shut up, even if they don’t get it.
I think the only episodes which could be interesting and less problematic to see a middle ground episode is maybe things which aren’t so deeply at odds with each other, such as yknow like ice cream flavours, maybe some views on school system, homeschool vs public school. I think a lot of topics can be dehumanizing for the marginalized person.
@@itsanu1420The episodes I've liked and thought were of actual value were intra community ones. My fave was 3 very out gay people and 3 in the closet. Not everyone agreed but it was thoughtful, earnest discussion with people really listening to each other. But that doesn't get the clicks nearly as much as "Neo Fascists debate Non-Binary college students on their right to life."
i called a woman a bigot online because she was saying transphobic stuff and her response to me was “you’re argument is invalid if you have to resort to insults” like honey I called you a bigot because you are saying bigoted things. Also i wasn’t the first one to call her that i was actually defending someone else who called her that first
To be sure, I know some unhinged Tankies and some insufferable wokescolds, but they typically don't hold any sway or power outside of their particular niche on Twitter or Tumblr.
@@dinosaysrawrexactly the power of said “far left” is the control they have over their Twitter rants and personal social media feeds. The ripples they cause and the effect they have is pissing randomly people who argue with. Not running the most influential political institutes or hand picking American judges and Supreme Court. 😮💨 like I wish that Twitter Neo-nazi didn’t hold the same opinion as government representatives or our corporate over lords. 😔 😢
@@dinosaysrawrand let's not forget: the wokescolds are usually actually right, they are just really annoying... When this is the worst you can accuse a group of, when the other side is literally trying to pass laws that result in the death of people I feel like you (the generic you, not you personally) lost the plot, when you claim they are equally extreme.
I just wanna outline that being centrist is incredibly privileged. You just don't care enough about most societal issues because they don't harm you or your loved ones and so you never look into them and just be like "I'm Switzerland". My best friend's ex was like that and it took me a long time to realise why it bothered me so much!
My ex boyfriend is like that too and it was infuriating. He just couldn’t figure out why I was upset with him after he made it clear he didn’t give a shit abt women’s rights bc they don’t affect him directly. Disgusting
I feel like the term "echo chamber" is often used incorrectly. Big Joel pointing out the word "community" made me realize how queer people who are in communities that are made to be safe and accepting get called an "echo chamber" simply because everyone's existence isn't being debated constantly
"you're just against hearing an opinion that is different to yours" I mean if that opinion is that I should be harassed because of who I am, then yeah, I am against that.
@@ocean8336I gotta admit your words opened my eyes… queers got marginalized so much as kids, and now we feel guilty for living a normal life with freaking decent jobs 🥲
Yeah it's bs and it's also why I never liked the whole "both sides are echo chambers!" talking point. I never fully articulated it until watching this video though and I'm happy to see that my frustrations are shared by other marginalized people.
Real😭that’s such a good point. It’s like calling someone a snowflake for not keeping the company of people who hate them. Any rational person with a shred of self esteem would choose to distance themselves from that.
I faced real life harassment because of the episode I appeared in after outing myself to push back against blatant transphobia. The women in the episode were extremely bigoted toward trans folks & me during the shoot, most of which was left on the cutting room floor. They had a really charitable edit. Jubliee didn't stop the women from being bigoted during the episode - an episode supposedly about feminism. After the episode released, when I told Jubliee I was receiving harassing messages, phone calls, tiktok harassment, & harassment on the street (I did not give my information out after the episode so people hunted it down), Jubliee told me to just avoid the internet for a while, because what was happening was "no big deal". I ended up calling the suic*de hotline because how bad it got. My friend who was working for them at the time went to the CEO to explain what was happening and asked them to take down part of the episode that seemed to be doxxing me on Tiktok. They didn't care. It took multiple emails of the detailed harassment to get the single part of Tiktok taken down. Btw, I only appeared on the show as a last minute favor for my friend, because someone had dropped out and they needed another feminist to fill in. He was told that it was supposed to be a bunch of feminists talking. Three of the people were professional right wing pundits/activists. (One literally was excited to be attending TPUSA because she was meeting with Charlie Kirk the next day. Another girl interviewed with misogynist advice-guru Kevin Samuels). TLDR: Jubilee cares about engagement only. They are fine with marginalized people getting harassed & more than willing to prop up harmful people for clicks.
Ugh, that's really horrific what you had to go through. They should have steps in place to protect the folks who appear on their episodes, and you 1000% did not deserve any harassment and to have your privacy violated in that way. To even just apologize and try to remove anything that could lead to doxing on the video is the bare minimum.
Sorry you went through that. This is a good message to send to anyone from a marginalised background who wants to appear on their show. Of course putting yourself out there in any fashion is going to likely result in some form of harassment from bigots however Jubilee not helping out in any fashion to prevent it is very telling. It makes me think of the way a lot of businesses and corporations give a DEI statement but will do anything to avoid having to actually deal with the needs of people from diverse backgrounds.
Re: The Overton Window, it has always bothered me how the mainstream media has always been more willing to lean further to the Right than to the Left, and Jubilee follows that same pattern. Nazis, transphobes, Trumpers, and anti-vaxxers are all a penny a dozen; give me some Communists, some anarchists, some black separatists, or some gender abolitionists for variety!
@@Joe-iq1bu , well, when was the last time you saw an anarchist or Communist spokesperson or viewpoint on CNN, MSNBC, the evening news, or Jubilee, and how does that compare to the frequency with which Neo-Nazis, paleoconservatives, neo-cons, trad-cons, and other right-wing viewpoints and people are debated, highlighted, or represented? On a global scale, American liberals and the ideas they stand for are largely left-of-center at most, which skews people's perception of the political spectrum and the range of both existing and acceptable ideas.
Bringing up the Palestinian Oppression for his fatphobic talking point gave me such whiplash I can't even believe it. I wasn't expecting him to even say it, it just came out of nowhere.
I love how he said that we lived in a civilized society and then immediately said he should be able to bully people, and conveniently ignored which society is giving who bombs/weapons. Civilized where buddy?
Enabling unhealthy people to continue to be unhealthy is what's actually fat phobic... telling fat people they need to lose weight isn't being fat phobic at all. Especially if you call them out for their eating disorder.
Jubilee is 100% an op. One of the worst things are the comments under the videos. All they care about is if the conversation is "civil" and they are always more charitable to the right no matter what. In the video where Charlie Kirk debates the college students, several of the students wipe the floor with him but all the commenters said that Charlie automatically won because they thought the students were rude even though the kids are totally justified in not being civil with a guy that wants to take away their rights. They also had nothing to say about Kirk of course even though he was extremely nasty and condescending to the students the whole video. Jubilee is also known for always giving the Right a more charitable edit, which is really saying something considering how bad they come off in the videos as they are.
I had a big eyebrow-raise moment with Jubilee recently, in the recent MRA vs feminists debate, there was this moment where someone on the feminist side called out Pearl, asking her why she was dressing in revealing clothing. When she did that, I was REALLY interested in seeing how she would respond because it was a valid response given the context...and then the moderator pulled the plug, deeming it an " unhelpful personal attack." I was really shocked when that happened. In that moment, the moderator essentially infantilized Pearl by protecting her like a little kid while she was free to shit all over everyone. I usually like that moderator too, so I was super surprised by what he did in that moment.
@@DSS712It’s the crazy way that somehow a republican is allowed to openly wish death on queer people and POC but if anyone calls them out on being bigoted, it’s immediately “too far”
There were so many people saying the woman who mocked Kirk’s smile lost the argument by resorting to insults. That’s just plain wrong. You can absolutely insult someone and still be correct.
A friend of mine in college put this brilliantly. "Not all perspectives and opinions are equal. If I say I want to build a building and I ask architects to present their ideas, and the first one comes and says 'I'll build it out of brick and here's my plans for the building and the budget I'll need', and the next says 'I'll build it out of steel and here's my plans for the building and here's the budget I'll need', and the third one says 'I'm going to shit in a cup', you don't have to give the third one equal consideration, it is not a valid perspective or 'just as worthy of consideration'. It is shit in a cup."
Biggest issue is them platforming big right wing talking heads yet they don’t do that for the other side. So it’s a famous online right winger that’s “well spoken” vs some super normal person off the street
Jubilee probably does ask bigger left-wing personalities to come on, but those people are able to see Jubilee for what it is and refuse to participate - like Matt!
Using genocide as a reason to undermine other people's existence is disgusting. It's just like "Oh, you got cancer? Well woman and children got killed, so you better shut up." Jubilee is just arguing for argument's sake, no one want to learn other people's side.
People have said this ad nauseum but I really do not want to know what sort of videos Jubilee would have been making during American slavery, WWII, the Civil Rights movement, etc.
During American slavery? You imply they won't do a video like that now? Give it time. I'm sure at least a pro/anti confederacy "debate" is going to be a thing, if not directly pro/anti slavery. American right wingers have been getting more and more extreme, or at least the more extreme voices have been getting louder. If trump is allowed to gut the department of education, it's only time before "slavery wasn't that bad and most slaves were happy" becomes a common belief, and after the road to all sorts of "opinions" is opened. I can totally see a "did civil rights benefit black americans" in a future without proper education and with schools and universities banned from teaching accurate black history
jubilee in the 1920s (probably): “we’ve brought in 5 ‘feeble-minded d*generates’ and 5 of the most educated geneticists in america to debate about eugenics!”
My wife tried multiple different diets for years to lose weight, and I always lost way more way faster than her when we did those diets. She’s had a bariatric surgery now, and has lost quite a bit of weight but progress is still slow sometimes when she only eats like 700 calories a day. Saying being fat is a choice is incredibly fucking stupid.
Ey, same here! My wife has metabolic syndrome, and cystic fibrosis, those make it really hard to lose weight. We eat the same food and we exercise together, and I lose weight consistently faster than her. Now she's trying to get bariatric surgery. Let's cross our fingers.
The thing is that people assume that the person isn’t working on their health because they haven’t seen the end result. Like, you don’t know them. That 300 pound person may have already lost 50 pounds. And I’m sure they are aware that they’re overweight and don’t need to be abused into a healthy lifestyle.
@@jarenfromvenus Also , nobody owes society a thin body. People need to mind their own bodies. Even if this hypothetical person isn't trying to lose weight, people need to mind their business regardless.
Sidenote because everyone keeps missing this, but their slogan is not actually "promoting understanding". It's "provoking understanding", which doesn't make a lot of sense but is a very edgelord way to describe it. They're clearly more concerned with the "provoking" than the "understanding".
I'm so tired of 'debate brain'. It removes nuance, the ability to be challenged and question your own biases, and boils serious issues with tricky and inconvenient solutions down to 'your point is weaker because you are a weaker public speaker'. Charlie Kirk is not going to 'concede' on any of your points that harm his arguments, he's going to realise he's cornered and gish gallop you, and because he appears unrattled people will say 'he won' and that his argument was stronger.
Really, I think the ideal format would consist of a bunch of genuinely-open-minded people listening to a discussion/debate between the most educated, thoughtful, eloquent, and ideally sincere people on "both sides" of a given issue and then pitching their own questions and arguments to the panel, and every claim and argument would be fact-checked and contextualized/elaborated upon with citations in real time.
The best "debates" I think are between people who agree, but that disagree over specific implementation or details. They are arguing over the best way to engage in specific actionable practices, not just the abstract concept of their ideas. It's one thing to debate about the abstract concept of homelessness, it's another thing to debate about the logistics of running a soup kitchen or shelter (which requires at least some shared belief that homeless people are, in fact, humans deserving of shelter). Realistically, you can't build anything stable without at least some sort of shared Foundation. If your world views are fundamentally incompatible, then nothing productive is going to be had. All you can really do at that point is to create so much overwhelming evidence for your position that you start inoculating people against misinformation before they can be radicalized. This can take a long period of time. Sometimes it's impossible to save the people who are too far gone, but you can at least try to save the people around them before they become just as unreachable.
This comment is the exact reason why I support Jubilee, half those people aren’t unreasonable. You are just unable to listen to another human being speak.
@@mickeficks Thanks for proving my point. You don’t know me or what I believe, but immediately started dismissing my views because I even slightly disagreed with you.
The most infuriating part about Jubilee (once I became fully aware of how conservative they really are) were the comments. Even when I was in a period of my life where I fell for a lot of centrist/center right propaganda, the comments would always throw me off specifically, the comments along the lines of “finally, a place where people can have a conversation about these things without it, turning into a war”. It feels so condescending to all of the people who give a damn about human rights. When people see others treating “should minorities be allowed to exist in peace?” Like a question that deserves a debate, that’s going to illicit a reaction out of people.
Yeah, I really can’t stand those self-masturbatory comments. It’s just a way for people to congratulate themselves for being “neutral” rather than having any actual conviction and understanding what the stakes are.
Yeah holy shit I've never agreed with a comment so hard. All of it is people who think they're so fucking cool for thinking there's a middle ground to human rights or something. Enlighted centrists who are never really centre. I blame videos like this for the rise in conservative, red-pilled gen z and gen alpha.
Normal Person: "I believe that people should be allowed to live as themselves and not be hassled for it." "Enlightened Centrist/Closet Fasheest": "I disagree." It's not even a joke. A lot of these folks actually believe people's LIVES are something to debate about.
Recently confronting the fact that whenever I try to earnestly debate people online, it’s just a jubilee situation. No matter how diplomatic you present yourself, you’re talking to a wall. It’s not just some “misunderstanding” you have to clarify, it’s someone who doesn’t respect you or your rights. You’re a lesser stranger to them and you’re not likely the one who will radicalize them.
It was recently pointed out to me that you can not treat these folks as rational people. You have to deal with them the same way you handle cultists. I think we all are going to need to learn a LOT more about deprogramming cult survivors to make any headway in grounding these "conservatives" back on Earth.
Recently came to this realization and I'm just done even trying to prove to people why having rights matters and it just doesn't feel worth the energy anymore anyways
I think Matt really hit the nail on the head when talking about America and how Jubilee and the US is fully right wing. People who lean "left" in the US literally just want everyone to have basic human rights. That's not a left leaning point, it's just being a decent human being. Jubilee will never find a "middle ground" when operating under an American Capitalist framework. There are so many other countries that see us as freaks because we don't have universal healthcare. It is a basic human right and just one example of how the US has conditioned people to think that wanting people to survive is a radical left leaning point of view, when again, it's just being a decent human being.
Steve Shives has a video where he explains very unapologetically why he condemns the far-right and not the far-left, and it says pretty much everything I've always wanted to. The "extremism" is not by any means equal, despite what conservatives try to suggest.
A hypothetical AMA episode on a child of first or second cousins comes to mind, and they'll bring in a Muslim due to the high levels of inbreeding in many Muslim countries.
The entire concept of "the trans debate" is inherently dehumanizing. There is nothing to debate. As soon as you put a persons right to exist up for debate you have created an unequal, oppressive environment for those individuals.
Somebody really needs to make this point by making a "cis debate" video where cis people have to defend their "lifestyle choice" to "gender-critical" trans and gender-nonconforming people. :D
Also even framed as a debate (which like you said is false) the stakes are through the roof for the trans person in that debate and non-existent for the cis person who has for some reason decided to have a problem with their existence. For one person, they're having an pseudo-intellectual debate/thought experiment, but the other person is fighting for their life and their rights.
The thing about the guy getting his junk cut off. I assume she's talking about the Bobbitt case. The reason no one cared is that he clearly had been abusing her for years and it was claimed that she did it as a response to him graping her that evening. Stripping context from a situation is not good faith.
@@SarastistheSerpent”On January 21, 1994, Lorena was found not guilty due to temporary insanity, meaning she did not have to spend time in prison for wounding John. Following the acquittal she was sent to a hospital for a 45-day psychiatric evaluation, as required by Virginia state law, after which she was released.” From Google
yeah, they way she mentioned it implied that it was something out of nowhere done to some male angel out of nowhere lol. not that violence is ok, but she clearly left the context out on purpose, it wouldn't really serve her purpose otherwise.
fuck the whole "middle ground" thing -- there is no middle ground between sense and nonsense im trans, there is no middle ground between me and people who think that i shouldn't be allowed to exist
I mean, there is a middle ground there. The middle ground in question being that we get to exist, but the bigots get to make our lives a living hell. Which, let's be real, is the actual position they want as if they were able to just get rid of the groups of people they hate, they'd have no reason to live.
I feel like we need to stop engaging in debates about our community’s existence. Maybe decades ago in the past it needed to be done, but it should not be done anymore. We have a pool of rights that are the most important for us to have, and shouldn’t be dragged into negotiating those again and going backwards
Yeah there's really no need to be debating any sort of facts. Debating crazy right-wing talking points only lifts them up and offers a sort of validity to them, while like... actually *invalidating* the truth of marginalized people's existence and lived experience.
Reminds me of this quote, which is specifically about racism against black people, but the spirit of the sentiment applies very well to any marginalized group: “The very serious function of racism is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being. Somebody says you have no language and so you spend 20 years proving that you do. Somebody says your head isn’t shaped properly so you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says that you have no art so you dredge that up. Somebody says that you have no kingdoms and so you dredge that up. None of that is necessary.” - Toni Morrison, A Humanist View
i feel like spaces similar you jubilee (or the equivalent of letting any maga soldier walk all over you while saying "we defend free speech") should be treated like they don't even exist. don't give them any views or interaction at all. But sadly, if you really 100% disengage in any way with people who aren't involved in your cause, and might, by default, be a little like "that's weird, isn't it unfair? how is it even posible? why should we do this or that? why are you calling me that? etc etc etc" all you are doing is leaving them to be fully indoctrinated by the other side, who will indeed take the chance. People don't always grow up in families were they will be teach to accept others, see them as valid, accept more inclusive measures, more modern views on issues like ableism, or things like what it means to be trans and why it's valid etc etc etc. if you treat them as lost causes and just ignore their concerns, you really are setting yourself up for failure big time. there should be spaces were they can ask or even suggest those worries/concerns/questions as awful as they may sound, without being antagonized to hell and back (which is not what jubilee is doing btw, jubilee is not that type of space, people there come already convinced and treat it like a deathmatch for views and rage bait, it's not the same idea). And one could say "well, it's their job to get informed", well, first off, not everyone has the same context and background, which makes it more or less difficult to even begin to realize you are wrong or misinformed in some ways. Secondly, let's say it's 100% their job to get informed, well, even then, to metaphorically say "F- em", that's more of a self destructive response, an understandable one, but it helps nobody, and worse, it only leaves those who need changes and benefit from more public backing open to just a status quo that discriminates against them, were people are left to be bigotted, progressively so, because "it's their job to read, i'm not gonna bother". It's not the bigot who loses when you leave because it's too much work.
Throwback to them publishing the trans vs detrans video on trans day of remembrance (but then suddenly making it private for a day because they were called out). No one mentioned that the majority of detrans people still identify as trans 🙃 the comments were just different flavors of transphobia
That is so true. I’d technically fall into the category of detrans but I definitely do not identify as cis. Those 10 years I spent as a trans man don’t just become irrelevant once I realize it isn’t who I was. 10 years is a long ass time to be in a community and I’m not just going to say sayonara like that.
speak on it!!! the way jubilee legitimizes absolute freaks by levelling them as just as valid as normal sympathetic compassionate people with critical thinking skills
As a woman: when you said the middle ground they found was women can be vice president I started f^cking wheezing laughing. Thats just so perfectly emblematic of Jubilee, and like societal view on marginalized groups. Like well I guess they can have a largely ceremonial role. I guess the marginalized group in question can maybe have like some rights, I guess X group deserves maybe some human decency. Like it’s hilarious in sort of a satirical way, but also endlessly frustrating.
Jubilee is a YT channel for people who want to say they've done the work of understanding people who live different lives, without doing the work and having the empathy necessary to live in that world. It's like if a corporate diversity training and the Jerry Springer show had a child.
@@flickrebeat8936 That's true. At least Jerry tried to end with a moral to the story. Jubilee can't even be bothered. They're too busy working on the next piece of clickbait.
The fact that it frames itself as fostering connection tells me it's not about debate or about entertainment, it's about removing leftwing confidence from low information, leftwing-inclinded people and turning them into idle centrists. They wouldn't frame it that way unless it was targeted at those people. The rage baited viewers are just the icing. It's rightwing pilfering of leftwing confidence.
As a first time listener and a fat person who researches and is constantly engaging with the topic of fatphobia, it is so refreshing to see people talk about fatness as just another attribute that is being used to ostracize and cause harm. It’s so so infrequent that even in leftist spaces people can talk about fatphobia candidly without saying some fatphobic talking point because it is so ingrained in American society. Fatness is a normal part of human variation and for the most part does not, and has not ever, dictated health. Attractiveness is learned through social conditioning, that’s why people are disgusted by fat people- they are literally taught to just like every other visible marginalized identity. Anyways, thank you for being kind and recognizing the harmful language used against people like me and so many others! If anyone wants to learn more about the history and science behind fatphobia, I highly highly recommend “Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fatphobia” by Sabrina Strings!
Based on the clips I've seen of it, Jubillee isn't simply negligent in poor vetting in selecting casts, they actively bring in bad actors to create clippable viral moments. It is likely to genterate spectacle because a substantive discussion will never go viral.
Jubilee is like greenwashing for debatelords. I feel most folk who try to engage genuinely and thoughtfully walk out feeling like they failed to convey their stance when in reality no one was there to listen anyway. At best, it was meant to serve nothing but to gain views. At worst, it further shifts the median perspective off the centre.
The way "provoking understanding" is actually the most edgelord description ever. Clearly they're more concerned with the provocation than the understanding.
"We have all these fat people running around, meanwhile people are being bombed in Gaza." I... I feel like the more I try to make this make any sense at all, the more of my brain is dying. Is that how F&F get fans? People just try to understand what the actual f they just said and their brains surrender to avoid the torment?
My very generous attempt at interpreting this would be that, according to him, fat people are just super lazy and gluttonous, and taking the luxuries of western civilization for granted, uncaring that in other parts of the world people are suffering and unable to even live peaceful lives. Essentially the "there are starving children in Africa so you better eat your damn broccoli" argument but for fatphobes. This of course completely ignores the actual realities of why people are/become fat and how, even if there was some valid moral argument to justify why being skinny is better, there are still multitudes of reasons why someone might just be fat through no fault of their own. (For example I was skinny naturally all my life until I had my thyroid removed and suddenly gained like 80 pounds. It was just an unavoidable hormonal consequence of bodily changes)
it's funny because out of curiosity I went to their subreddit to see what people said and it seems a lot of their fans hated it, too. It seems to be like Joe Rogan where a lot of dedicated fans actually hate them.
@@morganwilliams5591 isn´t being "skinny" scientifically speaking, better? People with moderate BMIs do better in life expectancy and general health. Having a lot of excess fat causes a ton of health conditions and issues. It doesn´t necessarily mean that ppl are inherently gluttonous, a large reason for why poorer people can be fat is that fast food is perceived as cheaper so you don´t have to overeat to gain weight, but lifestyle factors also do play a large part in weight gain.
The "Fat vs Fit" title inherently puts forth the idea that those are opposites. Which isn't true, you can be in amazing shape and be fat! They do that for a lot of these which inherently sets people up not to come to agreement or find common ground
Eh. Depends on how fat. there's definitely a point where it becomes incompatible. Shape is exactly not the word I'd use either, but sure fit. Martin strel. When I was 275 lbs I could still ride 40 miles on a bicycle. Strong too. Still high blood pressure tho. Fit is, especially If we include the " fit " they invited, not the same as healthy at all anyway. Erik janicki went off his high doses of roids I heard. Being unhealthy and a bit fat is the usual for strongmen too.
@@gur262 oh interesting. Where is the line where you can't be healthy or strong any more? Or is it just a general vibe that it's ok until a certain point but then it's gone too far?
@@gur262interestingly, guys on steroids *look* fat even though they're jacked. I bumped into my ex awhile ago. He was always huge but he was on steroids at that time, and both my mom and I were like "Poor guy, he got fat. 😢 WAIT NO HE GOT HUGE."
Not an important point but I’m pretty sure Pearl was dancing around the story of Lorena Bobbitt, who was a victim of marital r**** and was treated far worse than her husband in the public eye. The jokes people made were at HER expense and her husband was able to pivot to being a pseudo celebrity and even to a career in porn. Her life was ruined and her abuser got to have a good laugh about the hysterical woman.
the one jubilee video that i will request survives is “do all native americans think the same?” bc the comments on that video are overwhelmingly written by non-natives, and plenty of them say something along the lines of “omg i had NO IDEA about the MMIW/reservation water/native suicide/pipeline/blood quantum crises”
I think the spectrum videos are a lot less reactionary ragebait then the middle ground or other formats. Theyre usually not framed as a debate between sides, but rather an actual conversation between people from the same community. The one with disabled people was actually very nice imo. Everyone was so supportive of each other and the disagreements were not "should x group have basic rights" but more like how do you feel about this, what's your personal experience which is much more conducive to actual conversation.
BIG YES. The only Jubilee format I respect is the Spectrum format, since everybody already IS in the group, they don't HAVE to debate the fact of their existence, so it's so much more educational for the audience, and I can only HOPE it's more comfortable on set for the speakers.
The Spectrum series is probably their most decent one. Having conversations and potential "debates" with people who aren't there to attack you and generally believe in the same world you do, is much more important and meaningful for both the people involved and those watching with intent to learn.
A really interesting conversation was had recently about echo chambers on bluesky and I've come to the understanding that when so-called centrists and/or right leaning agitators call a space an echo chamber in a derogatory manner they largely mean they are being denied access to bully their chosen victims. The culture on bsky is pretty supportive of trans folks and when a bunch of "GC" media types were told their bigoted views were unwelcome and were mass blocked they wrote pieces about echo chambers.
Also, anyone that thinks any leftist space could be devoid of differing opinions has never seen two leftists in the same place at the same time. They very rarely agree on anything, lol
@@Sarahjwhamen, to that. The people thinking there's an "agenda" shared between anyone left of putin & trump clearly exist in an echochamber. Like what do you mean, liberals and communists agree? Since when??
Pearl David going on Piers Morgan to talk about the Jew song, thinking he agreed with her, then being FLABBERGASTED when he called it disgusting. Pure comedy, easily my favourite clip of her
This is why I don’t waste my time with anyone who tries to rationalize their insane agenda like it isn’t actually insane and would most certainly NEVER give them an online platform to spread it. As your former guest, Miss Benny once said when you interviewed her: “When it comes time for those people in power to decide whether or not you should have the right to even exist, they are NOT going to differentiate. They are never going to say something like: “oh but THAT ONE is good thou. They are one of the “good ones” that get to exercise all of their rights”. You’re still a threat to whatever homeostasis they are trying to hold on to”.
The thing for me is that I can’t have a rational debate with people who straight up don’t see me has human. Nothing that I say will reach across that lack of basic respect.
56:14 actually, a quick Google will tell us that the latin word "fetus" means "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young". So, he was creepy AND wrong. 😂
Why would a word's original latin meaning even warrant a shit-eating grin like that? And yes, we literally refer to any mammalian offspring in this stage of development as a "fetus".
so the word actually DOES factor in the harrowing process of making a person with your body! I hated his line of reason so much... "a disabled elderly person with a live in home care aid is 'using someone else's body to stay alive' too... you wouldn't advocate against _their_ human rights, would you?" needing help with your wheelchair transfers to get in bed and needing to tear your way out of someone one way or the other is NOT the same. why is it so easy for some people to disregard the inherently violent way we all came into the world so _thoroughly_ ? (my mom had an episiotomy when I was born, and she was 20.) I saw a clip of Rogan talking to some guy. it was around when that 10 year old had to go out of state... Rogan said "my daughter is 14, if she was assaulted, you'd be advocating for her to carry to term?" and the guy said "first of all, it's not going to make the assault happen. Secondly, two wrongs don't make a right." as if what terminating a pregnancy in that situation _does_ prevent is completely irrelevant.
My least favorite argument from them is "two wrongs don't make a right" as if forcing a child to carry their r*pist's seed isn't wrong on a million more levels. @@mckymcobvious3043
It’s not just boomers. I fall for it a lot and I have bpd which means it’s harder for me to regulate my emotions and this type of stuff takes brain power to realise that I’m being baited into having a worse mood. I don’t always have that brain power
@@Jirangaaa I have PMDD and the same thing happens to me! I have literal post it notes on my laptop reminding me not to comment/watch certain things. Rage bait is so destructive to everyone.
Matt u don’t know how u do it - every episode is a discussion about something i was already obsessing over. I’m no longer alone with alone with my thoughts on any of it. thank you!
The most soul destroying one that really highlights the points you both raised here was the - Can Israelis and Palestinians See Eye to Eye? Middle Ground from five years ago. Thats was my breaking point.
This thumbnail perfectly captures my boyfriend and my eye-rolling debriefs of whatever dumbass "there's problems on both side" drivel we stepped in that day.
I actually enjoyed the "do all [blank] people think the same" series by them. I think that series actually fostered some understanding and discussion. The trans people episode featured an intersection of age and experience, and I found the disagreements interesting. The conversation never got too heated because all invited shared common ground.
Really, I think the most interesting, educational, and meaningful disagreements are typically between people who disagree on the finer details of something and/or who disagree on what ought to be done, but otherwise can agree about the general body of facts, values, and concerns.
What's the current opinion on presenting right-wing/conservative/counter-hetero-populism perspectives and having members of these clades disagree with each other?
Ok, I'm tapping out. This was the only video from you that I couldn't finish because they do the rage baiting thing just SOO well. You have people talking over each other practically, no one's really getting to address every comment because there's so many people involved, no one knows what they're talking about and there's no moderator. There's nothing productive about this and it's one of those things that it's just old...everything they're saying has been said millions of times. We avoid echo chambers for that reason. There's no information that's new that comes out of this kind of thing because we've heard it all already. You hear it at thanksgiving from your conservative uncle...if anyone's living in an echo chamber it's him getting his talking points from fox news. it really truly is just rage baiting. People love being miserable and I choose happiness. I'll be back for your next video
I imagine Mr Joel carrying that microphone everywhere in that same position. Waiter: “Did you enjoy your food, sir Joel?” Joel: “So that’s strange, right? You might be saying’Big Joel, how could a shrimp fry this rice?’”
Great talk! My parents are both "I don't align with either side" people who can't stop talking politics and passionately spout right leaning stuff 85% of the time, as well as sometimes letting loose more extreme conspiracy theorist level stuff. I need to rewatch this to better understand the problem with what they claim to be centrist, because I never knew how to put my sense of uncomfortablility with their stance into words.
I feel about your parents how I feel about the people, who are always loudly objecting to be called racist, while refusing to actually not be racist. Most people have internalised the idea that fascism, the far-right, racism, etc. are "bad" without taking the time to deconstruct, what said ideologies and systems actually entail. Interacting with them is intellectually exhausting and morally draining. 🙃
Voluntary echo chambers are communities, but social media algorithms create involuntary echo chambers that give people a distorted idea of what "everyone" talks about and thinks
What comes to mind is something my Service Learning professor said in class one day. “There is no center. You either pick the side of the oppressor, pick the side of the oppressed, or stay silent and allow the oppressor to continue their work anyway.”
I was hoping Joel would say “community” when you guys were talking about echo chambers. I hold the perspective that building online community is vital AND that we need to remind ourselves that there are a lot of other community / info ecosystems around us. There can be value to exploring other spaces to see what kinds of content people are consuming, but there’s nothing wrong with building community
I find extremely ironic that the only ones talking about this is the most individualistic country ever with ZERO sense of community, wait no, it's appropriate, because y'all are so inept on building LEGITIMATE community as in with people near you and in real life, you need to do the anime dating simulator equivalent of treating your discord like a tribal council. It's a fucking echo chamber you delusional moron. Get over yourself, do your inner work, do the hard thing the most evil and psychotic system of the history of mankind and human issues older than history are not gonna end because you got really neat discords.
All you're doing is lining minorities up like a jubilee video so the companies can pick and chose which will be their ad campaign that week. The revolution won't be televised or streamed.
Avg Jubilee vid be like: "Should we stone gay ppl? We gathered 5 gay ppl and 5 chimpanzees easily frightened by their own reflection (btw one of the chimps also denies that the holocaust happened) to see if we can find some middle ground"
11:30 i totally disagree with you! I think that to minimise the prevalence of views like ‘flat earth’ in vocalising that you’re ‘not meeting flat earthers at the coffee shop’ is to undermine the underlying presence of these views. ‘Flat earth’ is a low blow because it’s so memed, but replace that with ‘anti vax’ and actually, i think that it’s a much more pervasive ideology. You ARE meeting these people - but you just aren’t realising it! It’s a ‘they live’ scenario - they’re among us, but we are just not having the conversations to challenge them
Yeah there is a pipeline of silly pseudo-sceintific beliefs like flat earth or ancient aliens to just straight up Nazi alt-right bs. A lot of conspiracy theories do stem from Nazi "research" and beliefs like how myth of the nation of Atlantis was co-opted by the Nazi regime to try and justify German superiority by claiming Germans were the descendents of the architects of Atlantis, and members of that Atlantic race scattered across the globe and had founded every major civilization (which means they can discredit all indigenous inventions and art as products of German innovation.) Or like how all ancient alien conspiracy theories typically stem from the thought that "there's no way an indigenous nation could ever come up with that on thier own" it's just pure racism considering they never question the Roman's ability to create literal self-healing concrete without "alien intervention" but somehow it's impossible for the Egyptians to figure out how to effectively move and stack limestone with a combined work force of over 20,000 people over a span of 30 years without ET coming down and demonstrating apparently. But the bass pro shop pyramid in Memphis that was built in 3 years and is the 8th largest pyramid in the entire world was just good ol' American innovation. Make a conspiracy theory about that, it would be 10× funnier and at least 10× less insulting
Ironically, there IS a middle ground with echo chambers. Isolation helps stupid ideas grow stronger, but excessive exposure creates white noise. Everyone should aim to form their ideas to completion, then have them challenged from other perspectives, both educated and layman. It’s also key to know that not all views and counterpoints are created equal.
Yeah, they need to stop giving these disgusting bigots a platform to talk - the anti-mental health dude at the beginning dissing on depression and saying "you live in a first world country" like that really upset me, that's such minimizing and ignorant diatribe and I'm sick of people like that, as someone who's dealt with mental health issues all my life. We don't need to platform toxic people with dangerous ideas and beliefs - we are not obligated to tolerate intolerance, and not everyone deserves a voice in the argument. Sometimes, people are just stuck in their ways and no amount of debate is going to do any good, but it's just going to stoke the fire and put vulnerable people in a position to feel targeted and hurt.
it genuinely baffles me that they can find the kind of people that participate in their videos. like every video i’ve ever seen of theirs i think to myself “where tf did this guy come from” and “damn he’s really committed to the bit”
I think when examining a “middle ground” debate, it’s important to look at whether both sides genuinely have stakes that could be harmed or if it’s primarily one side facing risks to their bodily autonomy, livelihood, and rights. I also believe that instead of the end goal of these debates should not be to find a compromise, but to understand what shapes the opposing view-what societal conditions or personal circumstances led them to adopt harmful, bigoted perspectives.
There was a Middle Ground episode about Autism and they put one of the most important questions behind a paywall. I would've liked to hear the discussion about something that affects a lot of people since employment is a challenge for Autistic people.
Is Hitler bad? We have 3 media trained neo Nazis and 3 college students who looked Jewish to find a middle ground
nuance 🥰🥰
this is so important
And then one of them says, "It's really annoying to be constantly mistaken for Jewish, I can't seem to rid myself of this Jewish problem"
“On a scale of 1-10 which 10 being definitely still human and 1 being barely human, how human are jewish people? We brought in someone who said 10 and someone who said -5 to talk over their differences; perhaps the answer lies somewhere in the middle” like bitch what lol
Made me genuinely laugh out loud 😂 they would too!!
Can kids give consent? We had 3 pedophiles debate 3 childre-
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I shouldn’t have giggled at this comment 😭
I laughed at this out loud way more than I have at reading something in a long time, too painfully true
The whole video is just them being like "ackshually we're herpesebolaphiles because the ki -- I mean, sexually mature women we're attracted to are double digits and it's totally normal for most men who aren't gaaayyy (which is the real immoral and evil here) to want a girl who's barely hit puberty! and the Feminists are trying to suppress that!"
I oop jump scare...
“Is Rape bad? We have 5 rapist VS 5 Rape survivors”
Jubilee will love that one
Or we have 4 rapists and one internet micro celebrity rape apologist who professionally defends rape as a job vs 5 rape survivors
That’s just how it feels being open about being a survivor on the internet
@@Sing_A_Rebel_Song you can't say that because more men wil threaten to do this with you again. I tried to open myself in a forum made for victims and 4 guys got into my dms saying they will r*p* me. And then one man has the audacity to ask why i think every men is capable of that, why im so scared around men, why i h*t* men
“Can they come together and find a middle ground?”
Hahahaa
people in Gaza are dying so you can't be fat is surprisingly the dumbest take I have ever heard this year.
And also, childhood starvation and food insecurity is correlated with obesity in adulthood (once food insecurity is resolved).
If there's any connection between the two topics, the long term effects of the human rights violations, particularly when it comes to starvation, malnutrition, and food insecurity and the lifetime (mental and physical) health effects of surviving such horrific abuse.
it is, impressively enough, not the dumbest take fresh and fit's hosts have said.
What's wild is that his point could be used to discredit all of his content. He rants against hypergamy and how all women are liars, but has he considered that there are orphans in Yemen?
Is this the new "children in Africa are starving"?
LMFAO AMEN! This was exactly what I thought. Followed by how does their brain even connect the two things?
not watching Jubilee videos is self-care
i have them blocked on all my socials because it’s not good for my blood pressure to watch them lol
yeah watching content like that is basically self harm if youre normal
Frrrrrr
@@Matty002Yeah, if I wanted to have information on the topic, I could just look at maps and graphs!
Why watching something useless and painful whennm I could learn and have fun (learning is fun in itself, but you get what I mean. Graphs are cool!)
I only watch other youtubers react to them, is that... bad? or good? or neither?
they gotta start creating more conflicts between oddly specific and non related groups. "transgender Art school students versus Californian truck drivers" "Meme page admins versus grocery store clerks"
haha yes
I would watch that !
THOSE PAIRINGS WOULD ACTUALLY FIND COMMON GROUND!!! Because they have no agenda, they’re just human beings. Platforming professional conservative pundits and pitting them against everyday people is just farming rage bait.
I stand with the truck drivers
Please, more of these!
I’m so glad we could find the middle ground between Big Joel and Little Joel to produce “Medium Joel”
Beat me to it
Medium Rare Joel 👌🏻
Mid Joel 😔
Good joke, good Joel joke.
Fruity Joel 🥹🩷
Lawyer here: there is no bias against men in divorce court, there is bias against WOMEN in divorce court. Statistically, men win their requests for sole custody and shared custody more than women do in every single US state. The reason women get custody more is simply because they ask for it substantially more.
I’m not asking this to start a debate but do you know where I could find a source for this. I work with a lot of jaded divorced men and this would honestly make my day.
true, i honestly dont understand why a judge would allow joint custody to a man who physically abused their wife to the point even their kids hate him. (exactly what happened with my mom) they accused my mom of so many things aswell like bro why are judges like this they seem to lack common sense
Ikr? Usually father's financial situation hasnt been affected by taking time off to raise said children.
100%. And it's incredibly difficult to get sole custody as a woman, even if abuse is present. (From personal experience.)
@@praetoria_ Great question! Motions made before judges involving children are rarely ever public record, because it protects the rights of the minor. That's why you would have a very hard time finding data on this. You can find data on who has custody of children from the Census data, but you can't find data on the motions in court that led to that. That provides fertile ground for upset men to make claims that the court was 'so against them!' when it comes to children, and their data is basically their anecdote and 'trust me bro'. My source was internal data from my law firm that I started keeping because I got so fed up with men in my office saying this stuff. But I would like to appeal to common sense here; we live in a world that has mostly male judges, mostly male litigators, mostly male cops and mostly male legislators. So what these divorced men are saying is laws written by men, enforced by men, argued by men and judged by men........have a pro WOMAN bias. Suuuuuure.
On the episode i did, "Stay-at-home Moms vs Working Moms", it was really awkward because you could tell they were trying to pin us against one another by some of the questions being asked and they were giving us direction along the lines of "You guys can intervene with questions if you want." They were basically directing us to fight. We kept just listening and agreeing though, because at the end of the day, we were all just tired moms trying to have a day away from the stresses of life 😂, so they had to reframe our episode to be like "girl power". But as you can see from the views on our video, getting along doesn't sell. Jubilee has just turned into rage bait more and more as the years have passed.
Julibee as team it seems enjoy sparking infighting when it is not necessary and is reductive to their start, which seems more gone now.
Did they have any work from home moms? Seems like a middle ground lol
What a dumb premise for a debate tho. Like you said, parents who do actual parenting are tired. Pushing each other down isn't going to make us feel better. I had that Convo with my own kiddo a couple of times in the past month, she had some not nice comments made to her. It's a lesson probably fresh in most parent's minds
@@UnicornsPoopRainbowsthey were probably hoping to get a Pearl type of person, someone who’s gonna say ‘be a stay at home mom or else you’re morally bad’. It’s funny though, how you actually get stay at home and working moms and they just… don’t have issues with each other. It’s almost like people can do different things in life and not hate everyone for not doing what they’re doing.
I've been on Jubilee twice, and it was one of the least productive experience of my life. Everyone comes in with their own agendas and treats it like a debate to win, rather than a conversation for understanding. Regardless of what Jubilee's mission statements are, It's impossible to foster conversation with respect when you handpick PragerU influencers and people who deny your very existence (as a trans woman of color).
Very Big Joel's Dr Phil's House of Horror of them. "We brought together people who hate each other. On one side of the spectrum, we have a white supremacist who hates black people and wants to eradicate them. On the other side, we have a black person who hates white supremacists. Can they overcome their differences and meet in the middle?!?"
Completely!! I’m nonbinary and it’s so frustrating to be constantly judged for not wanting to debate my existence with people who will fundamentally never accept it bc its a threat to their worldview. And i hate that platforms like jubilee give a platform to the most hateful views imaginable for the sake of “the debate”
Never been on Jubilee but sounds about right. Even from just watching it from the outside looking in you can see that most people there do not want to understand anything or learn anything new. They think its about proving their point or "winning".
the problem is for you tht "trans debate" is very personal and for them its just something they hate and if they say its personal they're lying so the conversation is already starting on a power imbalance. maybe if they brought some scientis and academics in general on both sides? idk either way it still gives power to something that shouldnt even be politicized or debated. you never see jews s n*zi video
@@slackslumber8523same type of people who treat debate as a harmless, fun pastime that they can walk away from whenever they want, meanwhile the person on the other end of their debate is forced constantly in their daily life to fight for every shred of respect.
"Hi I'm a theoretical physicist who graduated from Yale"
"Hi my name's Shelly and I'm a critical thinker :)"
GEE I GUESS EVERYBODY JUST HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW!
THE WAY SHE SAID THAT SO POINTEDLY omfg she had serial killer eyes for a sec
@@Joe-iq1bu😂😂😂😂😂
@@Joe-iq1bu You people aren’t capable of comprehending the difference between someone being a woman socially vs biologically so I don’t think there’s a point to defining those differences when you’re so closed-minded.
You forgot "I jump out of airplanes"
"People respect things that are hard". As a disabeld women I can say, they do not. People look down on people with disabilities, even if disabilities makes life harder. Specielly people with learning disabilities and intellectual disabilities are looked down upon. Even if thats one of the groups that has it hardest in life. Another groups is homeless. Its hard to e homeless and its not respected to be homeless either.
I totally agree. That argument is broken in so many ways...
It also doesn't work because her example was sex work, which is a fucking hard industry to be successful in.
As a former sex worker no one without experience in the industry seems to get how much hard work goes into all varieties of sex work. Stripping is incredibly difficult with long hours, on your feet in high heels for hours and dancing takes a huge toll on the body, not to mention the amount of customer service, maintaining your appearance etc.
Online work? Gotta do hours of admin a day, film content, edit content, advertising alone takes a shit tonne of time, laiase with customers for custom content etc.
Sure but she was talking about achievement and careers. Your point is unrelated.
I know the feeling. I struggle to maintain jobs because I'm autistic with ADHD, and most jobs just weren't made for me. As far as I'm aware, there aren't resources for autistic adults like me where I live.
I'm sick of coworkers that don't understand me looking down on me. They don't realize how difficult my day-to-day life is, because they don't see the amount of effort I have to put in just to accomplish basic tasks.
@@sweetsour4375hugs I'm sorry you don't have access to support. I know you're probably not in California and possibly diagnosed in away that could hinder but you should look into your states social services, in California it department of rehabilitation, that can help with job training including job coaching etc. Definitely not every state but maybe this might help you find support or at least know what you're for asking isn't unreasonable.
every video is literally like: "professional conservative pundit vs random liberal we found on the street."
Exactly what I've been saying! Another favorite (derogatory) variant of mine is "4 random well-adjusted normal people off the street belonging to a minority vs. 4 people who spend 16 hours a day on message boards inventing new slurs for that minority".
Or here's a well learned leftist and a bunch of people we grabbed from a right wing bar, let's frame them as equally debatable
Exactly. Infuriating!
Stephen Crowder showing up with a camera crew, a literal binder full of talking points, total control of sound & editing, and a posse of paid hype men just absolutely DESTROYING fresh-faced college students 😎 epic style energy
Jason Lee that runs the place is Christian, and from the little bit i have heard from him he is kind of Christian white nationalist, only not white.
“It’s ridiculous that we have all these fat people running around, yet there are people being bombed in Gaza” those are two completely separate thoughts, dude WHAT
as if there’s no fat people in gaza 😭
That entire episode is unhinged. Marlon was allowed to say anything that came to mind and everyone just had to sit there and listen to it. At some point he started in on his “women are evil” thing and the moderator didn’t even attempt to stop him even though it had nothing to do with the question
i think mr fit thinks fat americans can just put their donuts in the mail for the sad gazan children 😢 why are you personally starving the war victims, ladies from my 600 pound life
my jaw DROPPED like he is always saying ridiculous shit but that was on another level
Every clip I've seen of that man has been against my will. All of them have been chalked full of logical fallacies.
I was on middle ground and they cut out the part where I was arguing that without labor nothing has value. I used the Jubilee filming crew as an example and pointed out the owner was not at the shoot yet the video we were filming was creating value for the company. Sad they didn't unionize after my episode.
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You ate
lol Just saw your comment on NSR nice
Wait, which episode was it?
u ate fr
Jubilee is the 'just asking questions' troll in every comment section, just all grown up and profiting off of antagonizing ALL of us all at once
"I just have a few... concerns..."
So Eric Cartman then.
exactly!
@@eljoel89 a frustrating large number of people look up to the archetype of cartman
“let me play devil’s advocate for a second 🤓” meanwhile, they ARE the devil
Isn't it delightful when you call someone out for being a bigot and they're like "You should be tolerant of my intolerance"?
Thankfully I’ve gotten to a point where I can very clearly express that someone’s right to exist is not even close to someone’s want to remove another’s existence. I also frequently mention the tolerance paradox and thankfully that usually makes people shut up, even if they don’t get it.
Don't get me fired up.
Gonna say that about my lactose intolerance next time thank you!
“So much for the tolerant left” 🤓. Who said I was tolerant?
@@peacechickificationVery dat
Would Sauron covering the lands in a second darkness be a good thing? We asked 9 ringwraiths to debate 9 peasants
Stop 😂😭
"We brought on a group of marginalized people and a group of bigots so the marginalized people could justify their human rights 😊"
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this is how it feels when people tell me i need to "challenge my worldviews".
I think the only episodes which could be interesting and less problematic to see a middle ground episode is maybe things which aren’t so deeply at odds with each other, such as yknow like ice cream flavours, maybe some views on school system, homeschool vs public school. I think a lot of topics can be dehumanizing for the marginalized person.
@@itsanu1420The episodes I've liked and thought were of actual value were intra community ones. My fave was 3 very out gay people and 3 in the closet. Not everyone agreed but it was thoughtful, earnest discussion with people really listening to each other. But that doesn't get the clicks nearly as much as "Neo Fascists debate Non-Binary college students on their right to life."
i called a woman a bigot online because she was saying transphobic stuff and her response to me was “you’re argument is invalid if you have to resort to insults” like honey I called you a bigot because you are saying bigoted things. Also i wasn’t the first one to call her that i was actually defending someone else who called her that first
"The far right is QAnon and the far left is healthcare" is just so damn succinct
To be sure, I know some unhinged Tankies and some insufferable wokescolds, but they typically don't hold any sway or power outside of their particular niche on Twitter or Tumblr.
@@dinosaysrawrWokescolds? That’s a new one
@@soupy_soup2 it's at least few years old now, but it might not be that popular a term. I first heard it from Thought Slime circa 2020ish.
@@dinosaysrawrexactly the power of said “far left” is the control they have over their Twitter rants and personal social media feeds.
The ripples they cause and the effect they have is pissing randomly people who argue with.
Not running the most influential political institutes or hand picking American judges and Supreme Court. 😮💨 like I wish that Twitter Neo-nazi didn’t hold the same opinion as government representatives or our corporate over lords. 😔 😢
@@dinosaysrawrand let's not forget: the wokescolds are usually actually right, they are just really annoying... When this is the worst you can accuse a group of, when the other side is literally trying to pass laws that result in the death of people I feel like you (the generic you, not you personally) lost the plot, when you claim they are equally extreme.
I just wanna outline that being centrist is incredibly privileged. You just don't care enough about most societal issues because they don't harm you or your loved ones and so you never look into them and just be like "I'm Switzerland". My best friend's ex was like that and it took me a long time to realise why it bothered me so much!
My ex boyfriend is like that too and it was infuriating. He just couldn’t figure out why I was upset with him after he made it clear he didn’t give a shit abt women’s rights bc they don’t affect him directly. Disgusting
I feel like the term "echo chamber" is often used incorrectly. Big Joel pointing out the word "community" made me realize how queer people who are in communities that are made to be safe and accepting get called an "echo chamber" simply because everyone's existence isn't being debated constantly
"you're just against hearing an opinion that is different to yours" I mean if that opinion is that I should be harassed because of who I am, then yeah, I am against that.
@@ocean8336I gotta admit your words opened my eyes… queers got marginalized so much as kids, and now we feel guilty for living a normal life with freaking decent jobs 🥲
Yeah it's bs and it's also why I never liked the whole "both sides are echo chambers!" talking point. I never fully articulated it until watching this video though and I'm happy to see that my frustrations are shared by other marginalized people.
Controversial take on echo chambers: it's OK to continually repeat things if they are correct.
Real😭that’s such a good point. It’s like calling someone a snowflake for not keeping the company of people who hate them. Any rational person with a shred of self esteem would choose to distance themselves from that.
I faced real life harassment because of the episode I appeared in after outing myself to push back against blatant transphobia. The women in the episode were extremely bigoted toward trans folks & me during the shoot, most of which was left on the cutting room floor. They had a really charitable edit. Jubliee didn't stop the women from being bigoted during the episode - an episode supposedly about feminism. After the episode released, when I told Jubliee I was receiving harassing messages, phone calls, tiktok harassment, & harassment on the street (I did not give my information out after the episode so people hunted it down), Jubliee told me to just avoid the internet for a while, because what was happening was "no big deal". I ended up calling the suic*de hotline because how bad it got. My friend who was working for them at the time went to the CEO to explain what was happening and asked them to take down part of the episode that seemed to be doxxing me on Tiktok. They didn't care. It took multiple emails of the detailed harassment to get the single part of Tiktok taken down. Btw, I only appeared on the show as a last minute favor for my friend, because someone had dropped out and they needed another feminist to fill in. He was told that it was supposed to be a bunch of feminists talking. Three of the people were professional right wing pundits/activists. (One literally was excited to be attending TPUSA because she was meeting with Charlie Kirk the next day. Another girl interviewed with misogynist advice-guru Kevin Samuels).
TLDR: Jubilee cares about engagement only. They are fine with marginalized people getting harassed & more than willing to prop up harmful people for clicks.
Holy crap I'm so sorry that happened
So sorry you went through that. Disgusting behavior from Jubilee!!
this is so awful to read, I can't imagine what it was like to have gone through it 😢
I hope you're safer now ❤
Ugh, that's really horrific what you had to go through. They should have steps in place to protect the folks who appear on their episodes, and you 1000% did not deserve any harassment and to have your privacy violated in that way. To even just apologize and try to remove anything that could lead to doxing on the video is the bare minimum.
Sorry you went through that. This is a good message to send to anyone from a marginalised background who wants to appear on their show. Of course putting yourself out there in any fashion is going to likely result in some form of harassment from bigots however Jubilee not helping out in any fashion to prevent it is very telling. It makes me think of the way a lot of businesses and corporations give a DEI statement but will do anything to avoid having to actually deal with the needs of people from diverse backgrounds.
Re: The Overton Window, it has always bothered me how the mainstream media has always been more willing to lean further to the Right than to the Left, and Jubilee follows that same pattern. Nazis, transphobes, Trumpers, and anti-vaxxers are all a penny a dozen; give me some Communists, some anarchists, some black separatists, or some gender abolitionists for variety!
@@Joe-iq1bu , well, when was the last time you saw an anarchist or Communist spokesperson or viewpoint on CNN, MSNBC, the evening news, or Jubilee, and how does that compare to the frequency with which Neo-Nazis, paleoconservatives, neo-cons, trad-cons, and other right-wing viewpoints and people are debated, highlighted, or represented? On a global scale, American liberals and the ideas they stand for are largely left-of-center at most, which skews people's perception of the political spectrum and the range of both existing and acceptable ideas.
@@dinosaysrawr literally everyday 😂 “be unburdened by what has been” she’s running for president
@@Joe-iq1bu shut up "joe". your moronic mindset isn't needed here
@@Joe-iq1bu if you mean the media is too liberal, liberal is still right wing
@@luizairinam2136 nope 😂 just because you’re extremely left doesn’t make liberal right wing.
Bringing up the Palestinian Oppression for his fatphobic talking point gave me such whiplash I can't even believe it. I wasn't expecting him to even say it, it just came out of nowhere.
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I love how he said that we lived in a civilized society and then immediately said he should be able to bully people, and conveniently ignored which society is giving who bombs/weapons. Civilized where buddy?
"what do you mean you don't want to eat your food? you know starving african kids would kill for that?"
But the opposite
yea that fried my brain completely and I use tiktok
Enabling unhealthy people to continue to be unhealthy is what's actually fat phobic... telling fat people they need to lose weight isn't being fat phobic at all. Especially if you call them out for their eating disorder.
Jubilee is 100% an op. One of the worst things are the comments under the videos. All they care about is if the conversation is "civil" and they are always more charitable to the right no matter what. In the video where Charlie Kirk debates the college students, several of the students wipe the floor with him but all the commenters said that Charlie automatically won because they thought the students were rude even though the kids are totally justified in not being civil with a guy that wants to take away their rights. They also had nothing to say about Kirk of course even though he was extremely nasty and condescending to the students the whole video. Jubilee is also known for always giving the Right a more charitable edit, which is really saying something considering how bad they come off in the videos as they are.
I had a big eyebrow-raise moment with Jubilee recently, in the recent MRA vs feminists debate, there was this moment where someone on the feminist side called out Pearl, asking her why she was dressing in revealing clothing. When she did that, I was REALLY interested in seeing how she would respond because it was a valid response given the context...and then the moderator pulled the plug, deeming it an " unhelpful personal attack." I was really shocked when that happened. In that moment, the moderator essentially infantilized Pearl by protecting her like a little kid while she was free to shit all over everyone. I usually like that moderator too, so I was super surprised by what he did in that moment.
@@DSS712It’s the crazy way that somehow a republican is allowed to openly wish death on queer people and POC but if anyone calls them out on being bigoted, it’s immediately “too far”
There were so many people saying the woman who mocked Kirk’s smile lost the argument by resorting to insults.
That’s just plain wrong. You can absolutely insult someone and still be correct.
@@jonathancangelosi2439 his smile was objectively creepy in that moment. I don't even think it counts as an insult, it counts as an observation.
@@DSS712Ahhh, dont throw the word “objectively” to convey something inherently subjective, just dont.
A friend of mine in college put this brilliantly.
"Not all perspectives and opinions are equal. If I say I want to build a building and I ask architects to present their ideas, and the first one comes and says 'I'll build it out of brick and here's my plans for the building and the budget I'll need', and the next says 'I'll build it out of steel and here's my plans for the building and here's the budget I'll need', and the third one says 'I'm going to shit in a cup', you don't have to give the third one equal consideration, it is not a valid perspective or 'just as worthy of consideration'. It is shit in a cup."
Okay best thing i have read on the internet today
It's the exact same thing with teaching the "controversy" about evolution vs creationism
Did that guy just use the genocide in Gaza to justify fat-shaming? WHAT IS HAPPENING?!
he was also a fed
@@damitsamiam
He also thinks pleading the 5th is an automatic admission of guilt legally.
@@damitsamiamhe was also fed
It’s not a genocide 😂
@@jacobs9955 everyone ignore the joe guy
Biggest issue is them platforming big right wing talking heads yet they don’t do that for the other side. So it’s a famous online right winger that’s “well spoken” vs some super normal person off the street
“Well spoken” as in they are able to sound smart but they say non sense and people eat it up
@@ClowandaAKA Media trained personalities lol
Also, "well spoken" as in their existence and rights arent being debated.
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Jubilee probably does ask bigger left-wing personalities to come on, but those people are able to see Jubilee for what it is and refuse to participate - like Matt!
@@jmecular56467 that’s fair
Using genocide as a reason to undermine other people's existence is disgusting. It's just like "Oh, you got cancer? Well woman and children got killed, so you better shut up."
Jubilee is just arguing for argument's sake, no one want to learn other people's side.
“Provoke understanding and create human connection” sounds like it was written by early ChatGPT
Kind sounds like a threat too, I wouldn't use provoke undertand, that feels a little "I'm going to force you".
People have said this ad nauseum but I really do not want to know what sort of videos Jubilee would have been making during American slavery, WWII, the Civil Rights movement, etc.
Duuuddeee the titles 🤣
Should black people have equal rights, let's have an awesome conversation
During American slavery? You imply they won't do a video like that now? Give it time. I'm sure at least a pro/anti confederacy "debate" is going to be a thing, if not directly pro/anti slavery. American right wingers have been getting more and more extreme, or at least the more extreme voices have been getting louder. If trump is allowed to gut the department of education, it's only time before "slavery wasn't that bad and most slaves were happy" becomes a common belief, and after the road to all sorts of "opinions" is opened. I can totally see a "did civil rights benefit black americans" in a future without proper education and with schools and universities banned from teaching accurate black history
jubilee in the 1920s (probably): “we’ve brought in 5 ‘feeble-minded d*generates’ and 5 of the most educated geneticists in america to debate about eugenics!”
Lol
My wife tried multiple different diets for years to lose weight, and I always lost way more way faster than her when we did those diets.
She’s had a bariatric surgery now, and has lost quite a bit of weight but progress is still slow sometimes when she only eats like 700 calories a day. Saying being fat is a choice is incredibly fucking stupid.
Ey, same here! My wife has metabolic syndrome, and cystic fibrosis, those make it really hard to lose weight. We eat the same food and we exercise together, and I lose weight consistently faster than her. Now she's trying to get bariatric surgery. Let's cross our fingers.
The thing is that people assume that the person isn’t working on their health because they haven’t seen the end result. Like, you don’t know them. That 300 pound person may have already lost 50 pounds. And I’m sure they are aware that they’re overweight and don’t need to be abused into a healthy lifestyle.
@@jarenfromvenus Also , nobody owes society a thin body. People need to mind their own bodies. Even if this hypothetical person isn't trying to lose weight, people need to mind their business regardless.
@@boltlight1244 Agreed.
ofc it's f ing stupid but it kind of sounds like common sense so it's a very easy "argument"
Jubilee sucks, and I think their comment sections are proof that they’re not “promoting understanding”. Theyre just stoking the flames of bigotry
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Sidenote because everyone keeps missing this, but their slogan is not actually "promoting understanding". It's "provoking understanding", which doesn't make a lot of sense but is a very edgelord way to describe it. They're clearly more concerned with the "provoking" than the "understanding".
Good. Yall need to feel the heat
@@MikeHawk-c5t edgy
@@MikeHawk-c5tabsolutely
I'm so tired of 'debate brain'. It removes nuance, the ability to be challenged and question your own biases, and boils serious issues with tricky and inconvenient solutions down to 'your point is weaker because you are a weaker public speaker'. Charlie Kirk is not going to 'concede' on any of your points that harm his arguments, he's going to realise he's cornered and gish gallop you, and because he appears unrattled people will say 'he won' and that his argument was stronger.
Really, I think the ideal format would consist of a bunch of genuinely-open-minded people listening to a discussion/debate between the most educated, thoughtful, eloquent, and ideally sincere people on "both sides" of a given issue and then pitching their own questions and arguments to the panel, and every claim and argument would be fact-checked and contextualized/elaborated upon with citations in real time.
@@dinosaysrawrBasically a courtroom.
@@autobotstarscream765hmmmm that's not my impression of a courtroom
The best "debates" I think are between people who agree, but that disagree over specific implementation or details. They are arguing over the best way to engage in specific actionable practices, not just the abstract concept of their ideas. It's one thing to debate about the abstract concept of homelessness, it's another thing to debate about the logistics of running a soup kitchen or shelter (which requires at least some shared belief that homeless people are, in fact, humans deserving of shelter).
Realistically, you can't build anything stable without at least some sort of shared Foundation. If your world views are fundamentally incompatible, then nothing productive is going to be had. All you can really do at that point is to create so much overwhelming evidence for your position that you start inoculating people against misinformation before they can be radicalized. This can take a long period of time. Sometimes it's impossible to save the people who are too far gone, but you can at least try to save the people around them before they become just as unreachable.
"we've assembled 5 unreasonable people and 5 reasonable people to edit a video that makes the unreasonable people seem more reasonable..."
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This comment is the exact reason why I support Jubilee, half those people aren’t unreasonable. You are just unable to listen to another human being speak.
@@wigglewaggle3606 BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for letting me know which group you'd be in.
@@mickeficks Thanks for proving my point. You don’t know me or what I believe, but immediately started dismissing my views because I even slightly disagreed with you.
@@wigglewaggle3606 no, you proved my point. you don't know me or what I believe blah blah blah
The most infuriating part about Jubilee (once I became fully aware of how conservative they really are) were the comments. Even when I was in a period of my life where I fell for a lot of centrist/center right propaganda, the comments would always throw me off specifically, the comments along the lines of “finally, a place where people can have a conversation about these things without it, turning into a war”. It feels so condescending to all of the people who give a damn about human rights. When people see others treating “should minorities be allowed to exist in peace?” Like a question that deserves a debate, that’s going to illicit a reaction out of people.
Yeah, I really can’t stand those self-masturbatory comments. It’s just a way for people to congratulate themselves for being “neutral” rather than having any actual conviction and understanding what the stakes are.
Absolutely. I always thought people watched this stuff because the shock value of seeing full on bigotry only to realize it's an earnest debate 🙂
Yeah holy shit I've never agreed with a comment so hard. All of it is people who think they're so fucking cool for thinking there's a middle ground to human rights or something. Enlighted centrists who are never really centre. I blame videos like this for the rise in conservative, red-pilled gen z and gen alpha.
Normal Person: "I believe that people should be allowed to live as themselves and not be hassled for it."
"Enlightened Centrist/Closet Fasheest": "I disagree."
It's not even a joke. A lot of these folks actually believe people's LIVES are something to debate about.
Yall literally cannot honestly represent conservative opinions 😂 who specifically said they don’t have a right to peace?
Recently confronting the fact that whenever I try to earnestly debate people online, it’s just a jubilee situation. No matter how diplomatic you present yourself, you’re talking to a wall. It’s not just some “misunderstanding” you have to clarify, it’s someone who doesn’t respect you or your rights. You’re a lesser stranger to them and you’re not likely the one who will radicalize them.
It was recently pointed out to me that you can not treat these folks as rational people. You have to deal with them the same way you handle cultists. I think we all are going to need to learn a LOT more about deprogramming cult survivors to make any headway in grounding these "conservatives" back on Earth.
Love your name! I fully agree with you
REAL... I had the same freaking realization and it really sucks
Unfortunately, the "hard conversations we need to have as a society" cannot be commodified. No company can have them for us.
Recently came to this realization and I'm just done even trying to prove to people why having rights matters and it just doesn't feel worth the energy anymore anyways
I think Matt really hit the nail on the head when talking about America and how Jubilee and the US is fully right wing. People who lean "left" in the US literally just want everyone to have basic human rights. That's not a left leaning point, it's just being a decent human being.
Jubilee will never find a "middle ground" when operating under an American Capitalist framework. There are so many other countries that see us as freaks because we don't have universal healthcare. It is a basic human right and just one example of how the US has conditioned people to think that wanting people to survive is a radical left leaning point of view, when again, it's just being a decent human being.
Steve Shives has a video where he explains very unapologetically why he condemns the far-right and not the far-left, and it says pretty much everything I've always wanted to. The "extremism" is not by any means equal, despite what conservatives try to suggest.
@@artmoonsilva the government should give everyone free money
We are 2 years away from a jubilee video on incest
I hate that you're probably right
*weeks
A hypothetical AMA episode on a child of first or second cousins comes to mind, and they'll bring in a Muslim due to the high levels of inbreeding in many Muslim countries.
Can't wait to see "Incestuous siblings and their parents find a middle ground" 💀
Is marrying your cousin bad? Let's hear from two married cousins.......
The entire concept of "the trans debate" is inherently dehumanizing. There is nothing to debate. As soon as you put a persons right to exist up for debate you have created an unequal, oppressive environment for those individuals.
Somebody really needs to make this point by making a "cis debate" video where cis people have to defend their "lifestyle choice" to "gender-critical" trans and gender-nonconforming people. :D
@@dinosaysrawr would love to see that haha
Also even framed as a debate (which like you said is false) the stakes are through the roof for the trans person in that debate and non-existent for the cis person who has for some reason decided to have a problem with their existence. For one person, they're having an pseudo-intellectual debate/thought experiment, but the other person is fighting for their life and their rights.
Womp womp
beware of mike hawk, hes running around like a headless chicken
„You deserved to be bullied” - omg this dude is always so disrespectful and disgusting, I can’t…
I think he is the one thst deserves that
The thing about the guy getting his junk cut off. I assume she's talking about the Bobbitt case. The reason no one cared is that he clearly had been abusing her for years and it was claimed that she did it as a response to him graping her that evening. Stripping context from a situation is not good faith.
Graping
Yeah, that’s immediately what came to mind. Wasn’t Lorena Bobbitt acquitted of any wrongdoing because there was a history of domestic abuse?
@@SarastistheSerpent”On January 21, 1994, Lorena was found not guilty due to temporary insanity, meaning she did not have to spend time in prison for wounding John. Following the acquittal she was sent to a hospital for a 45-day psychiatric evaluation, as required by Virginia state law, after which she was released.” From Google
@@SarastistheSerpent Yes. People weren't laughing because he was a man. They were laughing because it was seen as poetic justice.
yeah, they way she mentioned it implied that it was something out of nowhere done to some male angel out of nowhere lol. not that violence is ok, but she clearly left the context out on purpose, it wouldn't really serve her purpose otherwise.
fuck the whole "middle ground" thing -- there is no middle ground between sense and nonsense
im trans, there is no middle ground between me and people who think that i shouldn't be allowed to exist
100% I’m sorry I never realise that these people debating your existence was harmful in itself
watch out for mike hawk in the comments
I mean, there is a middle ground there. The middle ground in question being that we get to exist, but the bigots get to make our lives a living hell. Which, let's be real, is the actual position they want as if they were able to just get rid of the groups of people they hate, they'd have no reason to live.
>"There's no place for nonsense"
>"I'm trans"
@@josemiguelojedallerandi9409 ?
“The far right is Q anon and the far left is health care” perfectly sums up the current political state in the US
Jubilee is just softcore Jerry Springer Show
best way to describe it lmao
Jubilee are cowards, no one is throwing chairs
It's giving Dr. Phil's House of Hate
@@larissabrglum3856 , that's a better comparison!
@@larissabrglum3856 I thought of that, too. Joel could have plugged his episode on Phil's House of Hate.
I feel like we need to stop engaging in debates about our community’s existence. Maybe decades ago in the past it needed to be done, but it should not be done anymore. We have a pool of rights that are the most important for us to have, and shouldn’t be dragged into negotiating those again and going backwards
Yeah there's really no need to be debating any sort of facts. Debating crazy right-wing talking points only lifts them up and offers a sort of validity to them, while like... actually *invalidating* the truth of marginalized people's existence and lived experience.
Yep. Our hard won rights should be defended, not debated once again. Shame and laugh at anyone who things we should go back.
Reminds me of this quote, which is specifically about racism against black people, but the spirit of the sentiment applies very well to any marginalized group:
“The very serious function of racism is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being. Somebody says you have no language and so you spend 20 years proving that you do. Somebody says your head isn’t shaped properly so you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says that you have no art so you dredge that up. Somebody says that you have no kingdoms and so you dredge that up. None of that is necessary.” - Toni Morrison, A Humanist View
i feel like spaces similar you jubilee (or the equivalent of letting any maga soldier walk all over you while saying "we defend free speech") should be treated like they don't even exist. don't give them any views or interaction at all.
But sadly, if you really 100% disengage in any way with people who aren't involved in your cause, and might, by default, be a little like "that's weird, isn't it unfair? how is it even posible? why should we do this or that? why are you calling me that? etc etc etc" all you are doing is leaving them to be fully indoctrinated by the other side, who will indeed take the chance.
People don't always grow up in families were they will be teach to accept others, see them as valid, accept more inclusive measures, more modern views on issues like ableism, or things like what it means to be trans and why it's valid etc etc etc. if you treat them as lost causes and just ignore their concerns, you really are setting yourself up for failure big time. there should be spaces were they can ask or even suggest those worries/concerns/questions as awful as they may sound, without being antagonized to hell and back (which is not what jubilee is doing btw, jubilee is not that type of space, people there come already convinced and treat it like a deathmatch for views and rage bait, it's not the same idea).
And one could say "well, it's their job to get informed", well, first off, not everyone has the same context and background, which makes it more or less difficult to even begin to realize you are wrong or misinformed in some ways. Secondly, let's say it's 100% their job to get informed, well, even then, to metaphorically say "F- em", that's more of a self destructive response, an understandable one, but it helps nobody, and worse, it only leaves those who need changes and benefit from more public backing open to just a status quo that discriminates against them, were people are left to be bigotted, progressively so, because "it's their job to read, i'm not gonna bother".
It's not the bigot who loses when you leave because it's too much work.
@@sweetest-of-memes God, that is poetry. Thanks for sharing this.
56:30 "Can 1 woke teen survive an onslaught of MAGA soldiers?" took me out
Throwback to them publishing the trans vs detrans video on trans day of remembrance (but then suddenly making it private for a day because they were called out). No one mentioned that the majority of detrans people still identify as trans 🙃 the comments were just different flavors of transphobia
That is so true. I’d technically fall into the category of detrans but I definitely do not identify as cis. Those 10 years I spent as a trans man don’t just become irrelevant once I realize it isn’t who I was. 10 years is a long ass time to be in a community and I’m not just going to say sayonara like that.
Why do these detransitioners allow themselves to be used by right-wing idealogues?
They were filming a jubilee video at my school last week and when I walked by the set I blurted out NOT THIS
Jubilee is becoming the new Buzzfeed 😂 degrading in quality with each new video
now we just have to wait for the "why i left jubilee" videos incoming @@cloud9_26
Nooooooo
ok?
Iconic of you
Its never
'i like pineapple' vs 'i dont like pineapple'
Its always
'i like pineapple' vs 'i hate people that eat pinapple'
A “both sides lover” is how I will now refer to my bisexuality
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Is bisexuality 50/50? Can bisexuals find a middle ground?
I'm a Bi girl and it's not 50/50 for me
speak on it!!! the way jubilee legitimizes absolute freaks by levelling them as just as valid as normal sympathetic compassionate people with critical thinking skills
As a woman: when you said the middle ground they found was women can be vice president I started f^cking wheezing laughing. Thats just so perfectly emblematic of Jubilee, and like societal view on marginalized groups. Like well I guess they can have a largely ceremonial role. I guess the marginalized group in question can maybe have like some rights, I guess X group deserves maybe some human decency. Like it’s hilarious in sort of a satirical way, but also endlessly frustrating.
@@lauren8135 you just proved why we don’t want a female president
By not directly taking a side they can pretend to ignore the reality of any given situation and profit off the conflict from it.
AND pretend to take a moral high ground because of it
Plausible deniability😔
It also saves time and money on fact checking.
Just like Piers Morgan.
Jubilee is a YT channel for people who want to say they've done the work of understanding people who live different lives, without doing the work and having the empathy necessary to live in that world. It's like if a corporate diversity training and the Jerry Springer show had a child.
Oh, I like that metaphor.
real
That last sentence is so true.
But Jerry had his insightful moments though, I never saw that on jubilee and I used to watch jubilee I've not seen it ever
@@flickrebeat8936 That's true. At least Jerry tried to end with a moral to the story. Jubilee can't even be bothered. They're too busy working on the next piece of clickbait.
Do chemicals in the water turn the frogs gay? We have a frog vs Jordan Peterson, Ron DeSantis, and JK Rowling
Can Big Joel and Little Joel find middle ground?
Medium Joel entered the chat.
finding the middle joel
average-sized joe
no
Not sure they're even on speaking ground.
The fact that it frames itself as fostering connection tells me it's not about debate or about entertainment, it's about removing leftwing confidence from low information, leftwing-inclinded people and turning them into idle centrists. They wouldn't frame it that way unless it was targeted at those people. The rage baited viewers are just the icing. It's rightwing pilfering of leftwing confidence.
This is so well said
Preach! This is exactly what it is
As a first time listener and a fat person who researches and is constantly engaging with the topic of fatphobia, it is so refreshing to see people talk about fatness as just another attribute that is being used to ostracize and cause harm. It’s so so infrequent that even in leftist spaces people can talk about fatphobia candidly without saying some fatphobic talking point because it is so ingrained in American society. Fatness is a normal part of human variation and for the most part does not, and has not ever, dictated health. Attractiveness is learned through social conditioning, that’s why people are disgusted by fat people- they are literally taught to just like every other visible marginalized identity. Anyways, thank you for being kind and recognizing the harmful language used against people like me and so many others! If anyone wants to learn more about the history and science behind fatphobia, I highly highly recommend “Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fatphobia” by Sabrina Strings!
Thank you for the book recommendation friend! ❤️
Based on the clips I've seen of it, Jubillee isn't simply negligent in poor vetting in selecting casts, they actively bring in bad actors to create clippable viral moments.
It is likely to genterate spectacle because a substantive discussion will never go viral.
Jubilee is like greenwashing for debatelords. I feel most folk who try to engage genuinely and thoughtfully walk out feeling like they failed to convey their stance when in reality no one was there to listen anyway. At best, it was meant to serve nothing but to gain views. At worst, it further shifts the median perspective off the centre.
The way "provoking understanding" is actually the most edgelord description ever. Clearly they're more concerned with the provocation than the understanding.
"We have all these fat people running around, meanwhile people are being bombed in Gaza."
I... I feel like the more I try to make this make any sense at all, the more of my brain is dying. Is that how F&F get fans? People just try to understand what the actual f they just said and their brains surrender to avoid the torment?
I dont think, their angry bigoted fans care that their arguments dont hold, as long as F&F are hurting the people, they hate.
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My very generous attempt at interpreting this would be that, according to him, fat people are just super lazy and gluttonous, and taking the luxuries of western civilization for granted, uncaring that in other parts of the world people are suffering and unable to even live peaceful lives. Essentially the "there are starving children in Africa so you better eat your damn broccoli" argument but for fatphobes. This of course completely ignores the actual realities of why people are/become fat and how, even if there was some valid moral argument to justify why being skinny is better, there are still multitudes of reasons why someone might just be fat through no fault of their own. (For example I was skinny naturally all my life until I had my thyroid removed and suddenly gained like 80 pounds. It was just an unavoidable hormonal consequence of bodily changes)
it's funny because out of curiosity I went to their subreddit to see what people said and it seems a lot of their fans hated it, too. It seems to be like Joe Rogan where a lot of dedicated fans actually hate them.
disgusting how they were bringing up Gaza to justify their fatphobia of all things
@@morganwilliams5591 isn´t being "skinny" scientifically speaking, better? People with moderate BMIs do better in life expectancy and general health. Having a lot of excess fat causes a ton of health conditions and issues.
It doesn´t necessarily mean that ppl are inherently gluttonous, a large reason for why poorer people can be fat is that fast food is perceived as cheaper so you don´t have to overeat to gain weight, but lifestyle factors also do play a large part in weight gain.
The "Fat vs Fit" title inherently puts forth the idea that those are opposites. Which isn't true, you can be in amazing shape and be fat! They do that for a lot of these which inherently sets people up not to come to agreement or find common ground
I'd watch if the epilogue consisted of Li Wenwen chucking Fresh n' Fit through a window like a javelin.
Eh. Depends on how fat. there's definitely a point where it becomes incompatible. Shape is exactly not the word I'd use either, but sure fit. Martin strel. When I was 275 lbs I could still ride 40 miles on a bicycle. Strong too. Still high blood pressure tho. Fit is, especially If we include the " fit " they invited, not the same as healthy at all anyway. Erik janicki went off his high doses of roids I heard. Being unhealthy and a bit fat is the usual for strongmen too.
I feel it's necessary to say because there's fat activists that pretend 350 lbs is compatible with fitness and health
@@gur262 oh interesting. Where is the line where you can't be healthy or strong any more? Or is it just a general vibe that it's ok until a certain point but then it's gone too far?
@@gur262interestingly, guys on steroids *look* fat even though they're jacked. I bumped into my ex awhile ago. He was always huge but he was on steroids at that time, and both my mom and I were like "Poor guy, he got fat. 😢 WAIT NO HE GOT HUGE."
Not an important point but I’m pretty sure Pearl was dancing around the story of Lorena Bobbitt, who was a victim of marital r**** and was treated far worse than her husband in the public eye. The jokes people made were at HER expense and her husband was able to pivot to being a pseudo celebrity and even to a career in porn. Her life was ruined and her abuser got to have a good laugh about the hysterical woman.
the one jubilee video that i will request survives is “do all native americans think the same?” bc the comments on that video are overwhelmingly written by non-natives, and plenty of them say something along the lines of “omg i had NO IDEA about the MMIW/reservation water/native suicide/pipeline/blood quantum crises”
I think the spectrum videos are a lot less reactionary ragebait then the middle ground or other formats. Theyre usually not framed as a debate between sides, but rather an actual conversation between people from the same community. The one with disabled people was actually very nice imo. Everyone was so supportive of each other and the disagreements were not "should x group have basic rights" but more like how do you feel about this, what's your personal experience which is much more conducive to actual conversation.
BIG YES. The only Jubilee format I respect is the Spectrum format, since everybody already IS in the group, they don't HAVE to debate the fact of their existence, so it's so much more educational for the audience, and I can only HOPE it's more comfortable on set for the speakers.
The Spectrum series is probably their most decent one. Having conversations and potential "debates" with people who aren't there to attack you and generally believe in the same world you do, is much more important and meaningful for both the people involved and those watching with intent to learn.
As a Jew, this is the most hype crossover of my life
LITERALLY
I forgot matt was Jewish too until I read this comment 💀
Jew Billy
A really interesting conversation was had recently about echo chambers on bluesky and I've come to the understanding that when so-called centrists and/or right leaning agitators call a space an echo chamber in a derogatory manner they largely mean they are being denied access to bully their chosen victims.
The culture on bsky is pretty supportive of trans folks and when a bunch of "GC" media types were told their bigoted views were unwelcome and were mass blocked they wrote pieces about echo chambers.
Also, anyone that thinks any leftist space could be devoid of differing opinions has never seen two leftists in the same place at the same time. They very rarely agree on anything, lol
@@Sarahjwhamen, to that. The people thinking there's an "agenda" shared between anyone left of putin & trump clearly exist in an echochamber. Like what do you mean, liberals and communists agree? Since when??
Pearl David going on Piers Morgan to talk about the Jew song, thinking he agreed with her, then being FLABBERGASTED when he called it disgusting. Pure comedy, easily my favourite clip of her
This is why I don’t waste my time with anyone who tries to rationalize their insane agenda like it isn’t actually insane and would most certainly NEVER give them an online platform to spread it. As your former guest, Miss Benny once said when you interviewed her: “When it comes time for those people in power to decide whether or not you should have the right to even exist, they are NOT going to differentiate. They are never going to say something like: “oh but THAT ONE is good thou. They are one of the “good ones” that get to exercise all of their rights”. You’re still a threat to whatever homeostasis they are trying to hold on to”.
The thing for me is that I can’t have a rational debate with people who straight up don’t see me has human. Nothing that I say will reach across that lack of basic respect.
LITERALLY chills seeing big joel as your special guest!!!!! thank you for this i’m losing it!!
Sameee I'm so excited
This is my avengers endgame
56:14 actually, a quick Google will tell us that the latin word "fetus" means "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young". So, he was creepy AND wrong. 😂
Why would a word's original latin meaning even warrant a shit-eating grin like that?
And yes, we literally refer to any mammalian offspring in this stage of development as a "fetus".
@@OscarSimanskyvery true, its irrelevant, and still very satisfying.
Exactly: a "little human" would be a "homonculus"
so the word actually DOES factor in the harrowing process of making a person with your body!
I hated his line of reason so much... "a disabled elderly person with a live in home care aid is 'using someone else's body to stay alive' too... you wouldn't advocate against _their_ human rights, would you?" needing help with your wheelchair transfers to get in bed and needing to tear your way out of someone one way or the other is NOT the same. why is it so easy for some people to disregard the inherently violent way we all came into the world so _thoroughly_ ? (my mom had an episiotomy when I was born, and she was 20.)
I saw a clip of Rogan talking to some guy. it was around when that 10 year old had to go out of state... Rogan said "my daughter is 14, if she was assaulted, you'd be advocating for her to carry to term?" and the guy said "first of all, it's not going to make the assault happen. Secondly, two wrongs don't make a right." as if what terminating a pregnancy in that situation _does_ prevent is completely irrelevant.
My least favorite argument from them is "two wrongs don't make a right" as if forcing a child to carry their r*pist's seed isn't wrong on a million more levels. @@mckymcobvious3043
A better video would be “6 flat earthers take a physics lesson from a professor.”
At first I read it as Jollibee must be stopped and was like what do they have against a fastfood chain 😭
Your comment made me look up Jollibee (winner of the cutest food mascot contest) and now I wish there was one near me.
well, illegal firings, no holiday pay, etc etc.
And i have heard their fried chicken tastes great, i wish one's near me too. @@jaduspeaks4754
Rage bait has ruined the internet. People just want to be angry all the time, especially boomers who never learned to regulate their emotions
It’s not just boomers. I fall for it a lot and I have bpd which means it’s harder for me to regulate my emotions and this type of stuff takes brain power to realise that I’m being baited into having a worse mood. I don’t always have that brain power
@@Jirangaaa I have PMDD and the same thing happens to me! I have literal post it notes on my laptop reminding me not to comment/watch certain things. Rage bait is so destructive to everyone.
@@Jirangaaa They didn't say it was just boomers, they said especially boomers.
Matt u don’t know how u do it - every episode is a discussion about something i was already obsessing over. I’m no longer alone with alone with my thoughts on any of it. thank you!
I've been saying for a while now, Jubilee is Jerry Springer for pseudo intellectuals.
The most soul destroying one that really highlights the points you both raised here was the - Can Israelis and Palestinians See Eye to Eye? Middle Ground from five years ago. Thats was my breaking point.
I never saw it and now I’m not sure I want to
That is literally the most cursed thing I have ever heard of
As a gender queer lesbian I feel like watching Jubilee videos is form of self-harm 😂
This thumbnail perfectly captures my boyfriend and my eye-rolling debriefs of whatever dumbass "there's problems on both side" drivel we stepped in that day.
I actually enjoyed the "do all [blank] people think the same" series by them. I think that series actually fostered some understanding and discussion. The trans people episode featured an intersection of age and experience, and I found the disagreements interesting. The conversation never got too heated because all invited shared common ground.
Really, I think the most interesting, educational, and meaningful disagreements are typically between people who disagree on the finer details of something and/or who disagree on what ought to be done, but otherwise can agree about the general body of facts, values, and concerns.
What's the current opinion on presenting right-wing/conservative/counter-hetero-populism perspectives and having members of these clades disagree with each other?
Ok, I'm tapping out. This was the only video from you that I couldn't finish because they do the rage baiting thing just SOO well. You have people talking over each other practically, no one's really getting to address every comment because there's so many people involved, no one knows what they're talking about and there's no moderator.
There's nothing productive about this and it's one of those things that it's just old...everything they're saying has been said millions of times. We avoid echo chambers for that reason. There's no information that's new that comes out of this kind of thing because we've heard it all already. You hear it at thanksgiving from your conservative uncle...if anyone's living in an echo chamber it's him getting his talking points from fox news.
it really truly is just rage baiting. People love being miserable and I choose happiness. I'll be back for your next video
I imagine Mr Joel carrying that microphone everywhere in that same position.
Waiter: “Did you enjoy your food, sir Joel?”
Joel: “So that’s strange, right? You might be saying’Big Joel, how could a shrimp fry this rice?’”
damn you got him down perfectly 😭
@@wooogie672 I’m a big big Joel fan
@@xlilnotepadx could u say ur a massive Joel fan?🤔🤔
Great talk! My parents are both "I don't align with either side" people who can't stop talking politics and passionately spout right leaning stuff 85% of the time, as well as sometimes letting loose more extreme conspiracy theorist level stuff. I need to rewatch this to better understand the problem with what they claim to be centrist, because I never knew how to put my sense of uncomfortablility with their stance into words.
I feel about your parents how I feel about the people, who are always loudly objecting to be called racist, while refusing to actually not be racist. Most people have internalised the idea that fascism, the far-right, racism, etc. are "bad" without taking the time to deconstruct, what said ideologies and systems actually entail. Interacting with them is intellectually exhausting and morally draining.
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The same has been happening with my husband's parents
@moustik31 what about the racism in the leftwing
Voluntary echo chambers are communities, but social media algorithms create involuntary echo chambers that give people a distorted idea of what "everyone" talks about and thinks
What comes to mind is something my Service Learning professor said in class one day. “There is no center. You either pick the side of the oppressor, pick the side of the oppressed, or stay silent and allow the oppressor to continue their work anyway.”
can i understand service learning? it’s like disability rights or social worker course or something else..?
@@samaraisnt oh it’s a thing my university does based around community service and activism lol I forget my university has weird names for things
@@wolfmilk.bijutsu called the same thing at my university
Careful with your comment.. Oppressive people with a victim mentality might come after you.
@@spider-woman9482 Why?
I was hoping Joel would say “community” when you guys were talking about echo chambers. I hold the perspective that building online community is vital AND that we need to remind ourselves that there are a lot of other community / info ecosystems around us. There can be value to exploring other spaces to see what kinds of content people are consuming, but there’s nothing wrong with building community
I find extremely ironic that the only ones talking about this is the most individualistic country ever with ZERO sense of community, wait no, it's appropriate, because y'all are so inept on building LEGITIMATE community as in with people near you and in real life, you need to do the anime dating simulator equivalent of treating your discord like a tribal council.
It's a fucking echo chamber you delusional moron. Get over yourself, do your inner work, do the hard thing the most evil and psychotic system of the history of mankind and human issues older than history are not gonna end because you got really neat discords.
All you're doing is lining minorities up like a jubilee video so the companies can pick and chose which will be their ad campaign that week. The revolution won't be televised or streamed.
He did say that? Or did you mean like, "i'm glad he said that"
@@Kagomai15I think they mean that they were hoping he would say that and then he did, fortunately
2:48 I- 🙁😞
Avg Jubilee vid be like: "Should we stone gay ppl? We gathered 5 gay ppl and 5 chimpanzees easily frightened by their own reflection (btw one of the chimps also denies that the holocaust happened) to see if we can find some middle ground"
The holocaust denial is so real, I fully expect a video from them like 5 holocaust victims vb 5 holocaust deniers
Jubilee we really don't need to both sides literally everything
Cannibalism: The Controversy!
I need 5 "light and sweet" coffee drinkers vs 5 sugar-free monster energy drinkers to debate so I can have banal nonsense to sleep to, though.
I need a "both sides" of if smoking is really bad for you.
They’re about to both sides your entire existence b
is murder wrong? 5 murdere-
11:30 i totally disagree with you! I think that to minimise the prevalence of views like ‘flat earth’ in vocalising that you’re ‘not meeting flat earthers at the coffee shop’ is to undermine the underlying presence of these views. ‘Flat earth’ is a low blow because it’s so memed, but replace that with ‘anti vax’ and actually, i think that it’s a much more pervasive ideology. You ARE meeting these people - but you just aren’t realising it! It’s a ‘they live’ scenario - they’re among us, but we are just not having the conversations to challenge them
Yeah there is a pipeline of silly pseudo-sceintific beliefs like flat earth or ancient aliens to just straight up Nazi alt-right bs. A lot of conspiracy theories do stem from Nazi "research" and beliefs like how myth of the nation of Atlantis was co-opted by the Nazi regime to try and justify German superiority by claiming Germans were the descendents of the architects of Atlantis, and members of that Atlantic race scattered across the globe and had founded every major civilization (which means they can discredit all indigenous inventions and art as products of German innovation.) Or like how all ancient alien conspiracy theories typically stem from the thought that "there's no way an indigenous nation could ever come up with that on thier own" it's just pure racism considering they never question the Roman's ability to create literal self-healing concrete without "alien intervention" but somehow it's impossible for the Egyptians to figure out how to effectively move and stack limestone with a combined work force of over 20,000 people over a span of 30 years without ET coming down and demonstrating apparently. But the bass pro shop pyramid in Memphis that was built in 3 years and is the 8th largest pyramid in the entire world was just good ol' American innovation. Make a conspiracy theory about that, it would be 10× funnier and at least 10× less insulting
Ironically, there IS a middle ground with echo chambers. Isolation helps stupid ideas grow stronger, but excessive exposure creates white noise. Everyone should aim to form their ideas to completion, then have them challenged from other perspectives, both educated and layman. It’s also key to know that not all views and counterpoints are created equal.
i can't wait for the new Jubilee video
"1 victim of abuse vs 20 narcissistic abusers"
"Can they find middle ground?"
@@eolay4411 😆
Domestic violence victim vs convicted abusers
i would not even be a little surprised unfortunately
CSA survivor vs. 20 pedophiles
I'm always happy to see any Joel of any Size
Yeah, they need to stop giving these disgusting bigots a platform to talk - the anti-mental health dude at the beginning dissing on depression and saying "you live in a first world country" like that really upset me, that's such minimizing and ignorant diatribe and I'm sick of people like that, as someone who's dealt with mental health issues all my life. We don't need to platform toxic people with dangerous ideas and beliefs - we are not obligated to tolerate intolerance, and not everyone deserves a voice in the argument. Sometimes, people are just stuck in their ways and no amount of debate is going to do any good, but it's just going to stoke the fire and put vulnerable people in a position to feel targeted and hurt.
it genuinely baffles me that they can find the kind of people that participate in their videos. like every video i’ve ever seen of theirs i think to myself “where tf did this guy come from” and “damn he’s really committed to the bit”
I think when examining a “middle ground” debate, it’s important to look at whether both sides genuinely have stakes that could be harmed or if it’s primarily one side facing risks to their bodily autonomy, livelihood, and rights.
I also believe that instead of the end goal of these debates should not be to find a compromise, but to understand what shapes the opposing view-what societal conditions or personal circumstances led them to adopt harmful, bigoted perspectives.
There was a Middle Ground episode about Autism and they put one of the most important questions behind a paywall. I would've liked to hear the discussion about something that affects a lot of people since employment is a challenge for Autistic people.
MEDIUM JOEL!