StrangePicks EU it’s Dave & Shan’s lingo generally meaning the people surrounding you. The community/family/group that you must function in whether you chose those people or not.
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Oswaldo Muniz I feel like there’s a difference. Fi does something because it feels like it’s morally right to themselves. Fe does something because it will provide harmony for the tribe and usually respects the values of others. Ti does something because it’s logically right to themselves. Te does something because it will provide logically-based action/change for the tribe and works with a set system to accomplish that. Sometimes one person’s introverted decider and another’s extroverted decider will intertwine and cause them to do the same thing, but for different reasons; like, how if two people came up with a slightly hurtful joke about someone in the room, one with Fi may decide to keep quiet because they feel as if to tell the joke is to defy their moral code, and a person with Fe could decide to keep quiet because they feel as if telling the joke would disrespect the other person in a way they don’t deserve. (At the same time, the Fi could decide it very well doesn’t care if the other person is hurt as long as it feels comfortable telling the joke, and the Fe could decide that changing the mood in the room by making everyone else laugh is worth the expense of one person’s happiness.) Either way; the choices can be the same, but the reasoning is either directed inward or outward. Edit: I’m still trying to figure all this out, so I’m not completely sure that I’ve got this 100% down. If someone could give me advice or counter-perspectives or anything, that’d be so cool! 🤩
i (ENTP) was running with my friend (INFP) and i realized i was ahead of him by like 200 feet and i was wondering like,, why wouldn’t you run faster to keep up with me? it’s cus he sets his own standard, he doesn’t need to keep up with me to make himself feel worthy, he knows his worth. i would have made sure i kept up with him so i didn’t look like a bitch lol. (Fe vs Fi i guess??)
@Chris U. I hope that they do video of how to get people to let you in on their inner Ni/Si because when you're not they come across as hostile and alienating.
Teaching what you are and teaching what you know are NOT mutually exclusive. A man can EDUCATE/teach about Women's Studies without being a WOMAN himself.
Shan’s speech at the last part was very good, I had therapy today and he told me the same thing but Shan just puts it in single deciding words. Sincerely: a savior Fe
3:04 If you ever wondered how an intj works, look at his eyes from this point on. Dave's eyes are truly a good reflection of him operating from his true perspective which is his inner world. He's literally giving you a show on how he is looking into himself, searching for everything that is connected to what she is saying (and those connection-processes are QUICK) and almost "re-lives" the events. And his eyes are tracking it like watching a movie (or a ping-pong game in this case)
He is just not trying to look weird staring at a thing. I have observed that other people change where they are looking more often than INTJ does, INTJ notice that and try to mimick (to not look weird) but sometimes INTJ move their eyes too much because of stress or zoning out and it looks like that. Disclaimer: It is just my opinion.
@@mr.g6177 Yes, he's not trying to look weird... they're more pointing out that he's stopped utilizing his eyes for sensory and they're subconsciously moving along with the concepts he's processing in his head. interesting; I didn't even notice the eye movement until I read it in comments 😅- as a Ti dom, I catch myself staring off into space after the thought as well when I conceptualize things, but my eyes tend to stare off into just one direction and more slowly switch positions with different thoughts when utilizing my own intuition - I find it interesting that his eyes are moving that fast as he processes as an Ni dom; wondering eye movement correlates with how he's connecting the dots/sorting the concepts in his head..
I feel like Covid has given us the opportunity to see ourselves outside of our social circles and outside validation, so that we can decide if we like who we are and what we are doing.
True, but for Savior Fe we still need to talk to get our everyday task done. That's why I go on Discord just to get some conversations going about multiple topics. Not for validation, but for sheer joy in communicating with people and getting their thoughts and values.
Great point- I’ve done a lot of refining of my character during this time. Do I like who I am being right now? If not, what now? It has been awesome going thru that.
6:06 Shan is so mature, fuck it, I used to have this hate towards Te, but as I'm learning how much she was able to grow and find balance between her Fi and her Te, I'm starting to fall in love with the idea of Te doms balancing themselves with Fi... It's so beautiful and wise...
I relate to the lead Ti guy during that interview as an INTP. My mom and sister are Fi saviors (ISFP, Fi dom, and ESFP, Fi second) and they will say the most random Fi things that they value or dont value, and it boils down to me Ti picking it apart for their own personal reasonings. Literally boils down to, "I dont know, it just feels like me" or "I just like/dislike it" and me being even more confused. Like I understand knowing oneself, but for me, it has to make sense, I have a certain logic as to why I follow or do things a certain way, but I gotta have my reasons and understand how it works. For example, my mom will like the color maroon cause she likes it and its one of her favorite colors and will Se decorate the house with a lot of Maroon colored things. Me, I don't have a favorite colors cause there are too many variables in picking one, but I'll probably pick blue lighting in my room cause i understand and have done research on color psychology (and as a graphic designer) blue will induce the feelings of calm and relaxation if I feel like I need to de-stress.
Oh this the power of the sleep animal! Instead of just blasting the whatever, just use it on yourself first. Just take your own damn advice or be what you say you are to other people and if it works, the people will come to you.
Chance maybe i am lead sleep because this really resonates with me. i have lots of Fi values that i stand for but i never tell people how to live. i simply hope to inspire them to take the paths i believe in just by unapologetically being me. and i do find that i attract the right people into my life through this way of being and see how i subtly influence them in ways that they’re not even aware of - and i don’t even need to (formally) manipulate them. it’s an interesting way to live!
Around about 4:30 I couldn't help but think that I have the opposite issue: Instead of craving the stage without living the experience, I want to do all that inner work and have little interest in sharing the lessons I've learned. I mean, why should I think my ideas would work for anyone else? Better to encourage people to think for themselves and find their own answers, right?
But what if people could benefit from your knowledge and experience? For example, my INFP mom was a tremendous teacher, her students reeaally loved her. But for her whole career, she refused to have interns, she'd say "who am I to teach someone else how to teach?" "every teacher is different". I'm still to this day baffled by that. From my blast perspective it seems like a lack of generosity and solidarity. You ask why should your ideas work on anyone else, and it's a valid concern, after all, someone's remedy is someone else's poison. But why not let other people decide if your ideas work for them? Why withhold what you know from them?
Jeff, you must be blast last (I am blast last) you sound a lot like me. I will consume lots and lots of information, or create lots of music, study many different fields on a deep level but keep it to myself. I say to myself - why share it? What am I afraid of? I don't share it because I don't value it. I only share what I value, only that what is worth sharing. But its insecurity that keeps me from sharing what to me isn't perfect or bulletproof, or mature. Like writing the first draft for a novel, it may take many more before the author is satisfied - I guess that is okay. Maybe you are only on your first draft, but at some point you need to blast for other's benefit. Otherwise, you devalue what you've learned.
As an INFP my approach is also different: I do all the inner work, I learn my lessons and run them trough again and again in order to polish them and turn the original abstract concepts into speech that can be easily understood by anyone. Yet I don't share that finished result, instead, if I think my lessons might be of any value for anyone else, I prefer to share the story, how I came to the original concepts, the draft, so to speak. People don't value what is given to them freely, so if you make them jog a little to keep up they are more likely to actually pay attention. Not only that, but, since we are coming from different backgrounds, we might be able to extract different lessons from one same story and whilst mine may work for me, it might not work for them, but theirs might just do the trick. By forcing the lesson into someone I believe you are potentially robbing them from the possibility of learning something new off of your experiences.
@@laurenchide Im an INFP afterschool teacher (an of course the kids love me). Im constanly having to tell my IxxJ boss that no, im not going to be super controlling because there is no need for it. Now, she's an IxxJ, meaning that she inherently wantS to control, and Im FiNe, so i want to do my own thing, and if its chaotic, I like it more. It doesn't matter what YOU think because I want to and its obvious the kids are happy and comfortable with me.
6:00 I mean, Shan is absolutely right from here to the end. But as someone on the other decider axis, I'm often like: "If there's no one else besides me to value this, what value is there even to it at all?"
This is what’s cool - I think De people can find value in something because others value it. It’s like people who enjoy going to a movie alone vs those who enjoy the experience of sharing the movie with others. Neither is right or wrong, they are just different.
Lmfao!!! I love these little videos at the end! They are so funny and weird! I love it!! Also as a Te savior and Fi demon, doing the work on yourself is amazing. Finding you're own values and morals is freeing. When you have strong convictions in what you believe and it's against the tribe then it's fine. Sure there is a fear of them not liking you anymore and that goes into what matters more. Tribe liking you or you liking yourself. I can always find another tribe with the same values as me but my values that I worked hard and long on finding and building are not so easily changed. I like having my Fi working it means I understand myself more and my Te just helps my Fi develop more by making sense of what I believe
This was really interest. I mean, you CAN teach what you "know," but just knowing something and telling someone about it doesn't hold any value unless you can put it to good use or use it to grown yourself. So, you can teach what you "are" is super important and valid because everywhere you go and how you present yourself should be a testament to your inner-self, your character, and that is what will truly make an impact on others. If you are a cold and bitter person on the inside, that is eventually going to affect others and cause pain upon others. If you are a warm and compassionate person on the inside, that is going to affect others in a positive way and others will then feel drawn towards you because of who you are.
Bravo!!! 👏👏👏 I think a lot of the younger generations would benefit from this message. Sorry young folks, just an old lady Gen Xer here. Walk your talk sums up this vid. Thank you! 😁
Pretty typical Gen Xer ideal. The DIY generation. Sadly, if everyone walks their talk, then society fragments and starts breaking down, which is what we’re seeing now. I would say, let the individualist walk their talk, let the tribalist connect society, let the organizers manage it, and let the gatherers search for what enriches us. That would be more accurate and more balanced. We all have our roles, not all roles are the Fi/Ti path.
@@fedup1606 I'm not sure what you mean about seeing society fragmenting currently. The reason it is is because no one walks their talk. We as a society talk a lot but don't really take responsibility or action with the things we talk about. This is just in my experience and from what I see. I do like what you are saying in terms of each person having their roles in order to make up a balanced whole. I do agree with that as well. They just need to carry out their roles from a place of character, integrity and authenticity. I'm also always open to hearing different ways to do things. I know there is not just one path to achieve an end result.
With all that being pointed out in the video, I am still looking forward to hitting the gym on Friday when it opens finally and getting some of that muscle validation again soon. 😜
No. Simply Being is the single most simple thing in all existence. But the simple is hard and complex for the mind construct. Gotta go beyond mind limitations, Be and realize how wonderful this life is.
3:30 At this point I was doing the SAME F*CKING THING as Dave; staring at the void and processing these great insights Shanny provided with regards to Di vs De, but probably I was trying to understand what she went through and taking it back to her emotional situation (Fe her Fi) while Dave was, idk, "Te-ing" it lol
Fi saviour INFP here, it's so true, my self-esteem can only come from within. When I was in university I had four jobs on campus, founded and ran a club, was a campus activist, volunteered, won awards, had a 4.1 GPA. When I'd get home at night and on the weekends I would do NOTHING, I would just lie in bed and watch UA-cam and let my place be filthy and not even feed myself. I would try to explain to people "no, you don't understand, I don't DO anything, I'm so lazy" and they'd be like "quick question what the FUCK are you talking about you are literally winning everything and everywhere" and I'd be like "no that's all like whatever, it doesn't matter, trust me I don't do anything I'm such a piece of shit."
Alex Gatto yes yes yes! INFP here too, and the flip side is also true - following what actually makes me feel fulfilled doesn’t always look as impressive to the tribe (... does it ever?) and being older I’m good with losing that empty feedback from the tribe that I mistook for fulfillment for so long.
@@TheNicMMc I think I'm Consume, Sleep, Blast, Play actually. I will very much literally choose to consume over sleep but after that I think I was going into extreme Sleep mode at home because I had to expend so much Blast and Play energy at school. I think I got involved with so many things on campus not out of Play but actually Consume energy, wanting to have all these experiences. I ended up pretty overwhelmed having to deal with so many obligations and responsibilities though, that's not really my happy place. Follow-through is my kryptonite... :'(
God, this is kinda the same thing im experiencing. Thank you. However i did made myself drop the grades and expectations when i was leading, i cant say i regret it, its a mix between happiness and sadness. I wanted spotlight, but when i do get it, it feels empty over the years.
Well, the thing with muscles or fitness in general is it shows the character of discipline, consistency in action, & directed restraint in not eating poorly. I think that very positively reflects on that person. Is that all they are? No, not necessarily. But it is an example of what this girl is talking about. If the tribe praises it, that doesn’t remove everything that went into it nor is it necessarily the point. People can do things for the effects it gives themselves. IE Fi.
5:02 wait I do this. With my soap mostly. Like I bought a new one but I still had the old one and then I wanted to use the new one but i still had some of the old one
This concept of shallow unhappy value can be applied to individuals upward to entire populations. Think about the different values of eastern (introverted qualities and intrinsic rewards held in high esteem) vs. western (extroverted qualities and extrinsic rewards held in high esteem). Add to that heavily marketed consumerism. What were we talking about?
As an INTP my reaction is this: "I don't give a flying fuck about someone's character! If a saint says something that happens to be mistaken then character be damned. Words stand and fall on the merit of their value, reasoning and evidence. Either they are true and significant to me, or significant but false, or true but trivial, or both false and trivial. *I've seen far too often a person valuing character who therefore is overconfident in his or her "Truths" so I don't trust people who value character.* "
I’m ISTP 4w5. I value character, but I value truth more. I can’t be in a romantic relationship with a guy who lacks character AND doesn’t value truth and logic. Enneagram 2 people and high Fe users are often so fake to me, I can’t stand it. And high Fi users are often selfish and entitled, and I can’t tolerate that either. There are few people I can tolerate lol.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 hahaha that CAN happen. It HAS happened more than a few times. I’ve taught myself patience. And I’ve learned to pay attention to how I feel, I can feel the anger start to boil up and I try to prevent the explosion. But when I’m out of options (I can’t flee, the other person keeps talking or pushing after I’ve verbally informed them that I need quiet or space) then BOOM. If at work, I can’t just explode, so I’ll play “the opposite game,” I’ll say the opposite of everything I want to say and my tone will be more Fe-like, but drenched in sarcasm, and painted with valley-girl voice…. So it’s kinda like Im making fun of the person and the situation in a socially acceptable way… but I also feel like a monster because my real thoughts and feelings are so cruel and violent. I don’t think most people realize how much patience I have. And other types don’t seem to understand that for an ISTP, feeling annoyed is a big deal. I literally CANNOT be around people who I consistently feel annoyed by. I can’t do it. It steals my peace. And I just am not willing to play that game anymore just to get along with the tribe. Fuck the tribe. I went along as a kid, as a young adult, and I was miserable. Now I’m way more selfish and as long as I stay away from most people, I’m usually happy and at peace.
@@CuddleClaw. The roman philosopher Seneca reasoned that annoyance and frustration come from expecting the world to be a certain way and having the expectations broken. He believed that one should identify and lower expectations. The emperor had huge anger problems at the time and expected the entire world to dance in his palm. It's hard though, to like 'alter expectations' for how other people are like. Too integral to our mind.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I can agree to that. I do have an idealistic way I’d like the world to be, but I also accept that the world is not that way and it never will be. So why bother. When I’m in a great mood, low stress, people who normally bother me don’t bother me, I just laugh at how dumb they are (to myself) and I can effortlessly just brush off everything. But when under a lot of stress, or i have things i need to do (like recharge or finish my work), but people are seemingly trying to prevent me from doing what i need or want to do, it takes a whole lot of effort to do the mental gymnastics, it takes away my energy, and I feel resentful that people can’t just respect my needs especially when I’ve gone out of my way to respect theirs. It’s too much work. When I’m alone, I’m free to be exactly me, no extra effort to dance around the tribe. I know HOW to do it. I just don’t WANT to anymore. I’m over it most days. Even with having friends, it can be a lot of work, I hate feeling obligated to do anything. I don’t expect anything from most people. But I still need to be away from them.
That’s definitely what Fi is all about. For a Fi dom it is a natural path to take though. It really doesn’t matter what other people say, if Fi is not pleased with itself, it’s not pleased. I have two questions though. Does this also apply to Ti? I imagine Ti is all about being logically consistent behind and on screen, but not so much value driven. And more importantly, do De doms actually gain benefit from living based on their own values in private? It seems like that is not what drives their life. So does the advice still apply to them?
I know lead Ti people that live their values. Especially if their second function is Ni or Ne. 🤷🏼♀️ I’m still learning, but that’s how it appears to me.
Dana DuBois that makes sense. Di is all about self and what self values. I guess the difference between Fi and Ti is what those values are grounded on - feeling vs thinking?
@@danad401 NiTi, I will share basic human values with the tribe and even understand the emotional needs, I however must have a good reason to adopt many of them for myself, once something no longer makes sense to do, to believe, that's when the conflict comes in with me and the tribe.
Ti dom here. For me, the inner authenticity seems just as important as it does to Fi Doms. It’s just based on our reasons for things, which is authentic to us, rather than our values. If it works, and makes sense to us (not always practical for the tribe) then it is true. That truth of self is where we live, happily.
This is a mentality you have to embrace if you wish to make a difference in your children's lives, because they learn based on the parents actions and not the hot gas they're passing. You can talk to your child ALL DAY, but it'll go in one ear and out the other. You want your kid to pick up a habit, you better practice it in front of them, and better be mindful as hell ESPECIALLY when you think they aren't paying attention to you because they absolutely are and that's when our true selves come out. Once that auto pilot kicks on, all of the subconscious programming shines through, and the hypocrisy shines through. Those are the parents that you'll hear yelling at their kids, "Do as I say, not as I do" or they'll be complaining that they don't understand where their children get their, "Bad" habits from, but their children are identical to their parents because they learn and mimic what we do.
@@TheNicMMc Makes sense, I rather interact "distantly" most times, yet still be produce with the teams(although I rather just work alone and bring my portion to the team).
I dunno. I think that to truly know something, you’re not going to just regurgitate what you’ve been told. You will have understood it and integrated it into your system of understanding of the world. So if you truly KNOW something, it should become (at least part of) what you are. Unless you’re lying to yourself (in which case your knowledge isn’t complete) or there is something greater that is taking priority and somehow superseding it. So I guess my qualm isn’t with the fact that you teach why you are, it’s with the insinuation that knowing and being are not fundamentally connected in this case.
I do and don’t relate. Of course, who you are is more important than what you say or present. However, I value truth wherever and from whomever it comes from, whether they live or truly believe it or not.
That is besides the point. It's not about whether you will take it or leave it, it's about being consistent with what you present to other people/when you're by yourself.
Flipperish Heart I already addressed that in my second comment and, I suppose, one could say half-way in my first. I responded to their point then made my own, if that’s alright with you?
I kinda agree with you, but... People have millions of ideas everyday and no one can test them all to see which ones are true, so there must be some filter. And checking if the person lives his/her own ideas is a good filter, it's not perfect but it's good
José Henrique Ferreira de Sousa hey thanks for your response. :) I guess I see checking for logical consistencies and objective reason as being the best filter for what can be filtered for actual truth. And I would disagree that their living it or not is a good filter. I think it’s a good way to see if they have integrity and perhaps you could use it to gauge how it’s working for them but a lot of people live (honestly and with this form of integrity) in a way that blatantly ignores, opposes, etc. reality.
100% great advice except I would not use muscles as an example of shallowness. It takes real charachter as a natty to develop your body. Just saying, love you guys :)
This is actually wrong. To get muscles you need to be type of a person. DETIRMINED TYPE which has DISCIPLINE To get a expensive car you also need to be really useful to everybody so that they are willing to pay you. Meaning you had some great skills which you needed to develop or you are naturally talented.
Does the guy on the left have a wife and kids? All the hippy fi stuff sounds great until outside responsibilities are added. Then fi needs to grow up and redo it's world view. You will need to work /with/ the tribe if you are going to create a life that lives on after you die; ie kids. Everybody needs clothes and food. If you're going to bachelor your entire life, than go ahead and "just do you man." If you want to get laid consistently, and you want to keep a childish form of fi, your wife might get a little sick of working and providing you enough money so you can pretend you don't need worldly things. The tribe gives you value when you take care of your business, because that means you aren't a drain on the tribe.
Fi??! Nah, he's very evidently a Ti user (ESTP to be exact), rarely speaks in a context addressing or highlighting his own values (referring to 'us'/the group and using him as a contextual person within that group dynamic not as the centre piece of the point), communicates with the goal of definitively understanding and being understood (Ti 101), vs being effective or socially correct according to agreeable facts (Te). But then, you both are ESTP (Dave) and ESFP (Shan) presenting as 2 ENTJ's lol 🤦🏽♂️. The foundation of your model is built on observations not ideas, displaying an overwhelming preference for sensing and clear absence of intuition. Intuitive's create metaphysical models framed around an idea, not concrete rules of observation. Both are great, but one cannot do the other. I'm shocked 🤭..how do none of the influencers know their own type, running around creating intellectual models & giving advice (posed as intellectuals) that inevitably misguide masses of people who enthusiastic about an exciting science 🤷🏽♂️. Outside of Binyamin who is an ISTP - CS Josephs the narcissist (INTJ-obsessed by his Fi child), Mr & Mrs Powers (ESTP & FP), Eric Thor (INTP), Eric 'I'm high' (ESTP), Love lu (ENFJ), Michael Pierce the philosopher (ISTP), Frank James the actor (ISFP - spits Fi everywhere 😂), Antonia Dodge (ESTP), Joel Mark-Whit (INFJ). Kate from type match was ENTP, likely due to watching your stuff (but admirably came around to her true type as ESTP after a bit of convincing.) This space is really untidy. 🧹 This is more of a message to people trying to learn about type - take these influencers with a pinch of salt, outside of MyType Kayleigh (the graceful queen), Kate (Typematch), Nathan (from love who, he's an ENTP although he doesn't know it), take these guys with a pinch of salt. Binyamin is cool, but he follows a flawed model, he's the most intellectual of the artisan influencers and should break away from this objective personality stuff. I'll make an appearance soon and tidy up some (probably most) of this mess. And you'll know what a real intellectual who knows what their talking about looks like. (That's Fi-trickster btw ;) - sounds conceited right)... and yep, this is deliberately (audaciously) polarising. All this nicey-nice 'everyone gets to play' stuff is why there's this awful confusion, and it's wrong!
It’s all bs and for the views and to sell their product. It’s just preying on the gullible and insecure. Their rambling on about “tribe” goals is the same ramble used in religion when talking about “worldly things” only, they’re preaching something less supernatural as the way out. Replace their personality lingo with Christian lingo. It’s a formula dude. Calling yourself the true intellectual isn’t a good hook. This personality crap isn’t for people who truly respect intelligence. They only think they do. You got to get them in their feels, then hit the insecurities or I don’t know, do something less shady and a bit more honest like telemarketing.
I was thinking I was the only one. I'm kind of happy reading this post from you. OPS does make sense but ONLY in the context to classify communication styles rather than personality or character. I've seen everything you say about all these people. I don't neccasarily agree with your typing of them, but that's besides the point. These people still rely on the superficial ideas as inspiration coming from old psychology. However they've never learned to apply the scientific method, and never learned to use them as premises rather than a foundation of theory. Not only that, jungian models are incomplete. It takes implicit (axiomatic objectivity) theory in order to make any hypothesis credible. From there you proof it theoretically, and finally show the consequent end results by practical application. If we were to do this from using any of the models of any of the people you've mentioned, you'll find biases everywhere that do not allow neuro a-typical personalities to be classified accurately. For example, how do high sensitives (neurological higher sensitivity to stimulation) fit into this? According to OPS, high sensitives must be Fi/Se lead because they'll automatically value things differently due to high sensitivity. What about autism? They're known to be more generally conscientious. Do they now have a logical personality because that's how they present themselves? Or do they actually have a rich inner world that they can't show others because they're stuck in coping mechanisms? None of these models can rationally answer those questions. And the reason for that is simple; this is protoscience. It is protoscience, but none of this is crap. They're all honest attempts to make the world a better place in their own way. We should therefore not further critise them, but rather, support them from a distance. We should however as you've done, advice others that this is a thing that happens. Use these models for communication purposes, not for classification. If you do, you'll get nasty surprises.
@@msc8382 I agree with some things you said however I do think that communication is a big indicater on how you use cognitive function as it is usually a diect product or your perception combinded with the way you figured it out and the 'value' or emotion that is transported by it. But anyways. I think a lot of people overvalue mbti and it's use tbh. Since our cognitive function are not the only part of our cognitve vireing a lot of other things can take in impact for example. I think every part of your genetic Preisposition determines how you cognitivly develop and probably take influence on the cognitive functions as well. I am an entp for example but who has developed senses (senses not the function sensing e.g. I have a highly developed sense of taste an smell and am pretty light sensitive, but I bad eye). However because I'm easily overstimulated in this deapartment plus my bad eye sight I alaways avoided the sensory and usually don't pay attention to my envirenment and what I'm doing myself at all and escape more to my ne. What I wanted to say with this example is that other genetic factors may have an impact on how your cognitive functions manifest (and because of the back and forth correlation of course also mental illnesses). From their Theory I know enfjs and infjs who are not jumpers but with super developed ti due to them having a talent for deduction and math while ti being the most 'useful' function for that subject they developed in general and are now more trustworthy of their ti and able to use that as a general tool for making decisions and understanding. When a function develops (as you can see) plays a role as well in combination with genetic prwdisposition. Also the nature vs nurture debate shouldn't be dismissed as well. In order to understand and 'survive' in a certain envirenment a certain function might be useful. An intp in the army might have developed there blindspot se more in combtination with there si in order to quite literally suirvive lol. School is another example where you almost always have to engage in all of your functions in order to get good results mostly because it's a requirement for different subjects but also different teachers beinh different types and therefore expecting different things to whom you have to adapt. Again nature vs. Nature is a debate in general about various different cognitive and genetical things for example IQ as well.
And behavior typing is another thing which leads to a lot of misinformation about mbti. The content you are talking about doesn't directly have to determine your mbti type (leading back to the nature vs. Nurture debate and the genetic presdisposition part). I actually think the main thing the cognitve functions actually determine is someones perception and experience of reality (for example te-fi model about emotions >>>emotions being the best conclusion you brain can make based on the information you have
The tribe gives you instant value and takes away just as quick... so don't value their value lolol
Truuuuuu
I'd say: enjoy it while it lasts (why not?), but don't depend on it.
StrangePicks EU it’s Dave & Shan’s lingo generally meaning the people surrounding you. The community/family/group that you must function in whether you chose those people or not.
one of my motos-INFP
i know Im randomly asking but does someone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account??
I stupidly forgot the login password. I love any tricks you can offer me.
That Ti Dom face of "wtf is going on here?" xD
"dumbest shit i've ever heard and I didn't even realise it"
Fi saviors lead by example, and let their actions speak for themselves. To me it is just so easy to understand that it starts with yourself first.
I read this and was like YESSSS. Then I saw it was you and was not surprised whatsoever that it was my fave ISFP UA-camr!
Oswaldo Muniz I feel like there’s a difference. Fi does something because it feels like it’s morally right to themselves. Fe does something because it will provide harmony for the tribe and usually respects the values of others. Ti does something because it’s logically right to themselves. Te does something because it will provide logically-based action/change for the tribe and works with a set system to accomplish that.
Sometimes one person’s introverted decider and another’s extroverted decider will intertwine and cause them to do the same thing, but for different reasons; like, how if two people came up with a slightly hurtful joke about someone in the room, one with Fi may decide to keep quiet because they feel as if to tell the joke is to defy their moral code, and a person with Fe could decide to keep quiet because they feel as if telling the joke would disrespect the other person in a way they don’t deserve. (At the same time, the Fi could decide it very well doesn’t care if the other person is hurt as long as it feels comfortable telling the joke, and the Fe could decide that changing the mood in the room by making everyone else laugh is worth the expense of one person’s happiness.) Either way; the choices can be the same, but the reasoning is either directed inward or outward.
Edit: I’m still trying to figure all this out, so I’m not completely sure that I’ve got this 100% down. If someone could give me advice or counter-perspectives or anything, that’d be so cool! 🤩
i (ENTP) was running with my friend (INFP) and i realized i was ahead of him by like 200 feet and i was wondering like,, why wouldn’t you run faster to keep up with me? it’s cus he sets his own standard, he doesn’t need to keep up with me to make himself feel worthy, he knows his worth. i would have made sure i kept up with him so i didn’t look like a bitch lol. (Fe vs Fi i guess??)
@*insert type* so true. It has to be true or tested and tried.
@Sheila I wish more people looked at life the way a fi dom looks at life.
I love that Fi authenticity. Btw, you both crack me up!
What a person does consistently is a testament of character.
If you're lead Ti, you can only teach what you know!
@Chris U. Then you teach them your Ni agenda. If they're not on board with it, their loss!
@Chris U.
I hope that they do video of how to get people to let you in on their inner Ni/Si because when you're not they come across as hostile and alienating.
Ne?
@Chris U. lead Ni still has either Fi or Ti in a lead position
Teaching what you are and teaching what you know are NOT mutually exclusive. A man can EDUCATE/teach about Women's Studies without being a WOMAN himself.
lol, Ti can’t hide its skepticism and disapproval
Perfect tomtom TI "hmm" face at the end
2:04 and the Fi I can’t believe the tribe is listening to me face
Shan’s speech at the last part was very good, I had therapy today and he told me the same thing but Shan just puts it in single deciding words. Sincerely: a savior Fe
3:04
If you ever wondered how an intj works, look at his eyes from this point on.
Dave's eyes are truly a good reflection of him operating from his true perspective which is his inner world. He's literally giving you a show on how he is looking into himself, searching for everything that is connected to what she is saying (and those connection-processes are QUICK) and almost "re-lives" the events. And his eyes are tracking it like watching a movie (or a ping-pong game in this case)
Yes! Truly interesting
I noticed this too but attributed it his tick or something, going to pay attention to him and other intjs to see if this pattern persists
@@SouRGraphics I think they've made a video on the subject since then! xD
He is just not trying to look weird staring at a thing. I have observed that other people change where they are looking more often than INTJ does, INTJ notice that and try to mimick (to not look weird) but sometimes INTJ move their eyes too much because of stress or zoning out and it looks like that.
Disclaimer: It is just my opinion.
@@mr.g6177 Yes, he's not trying to look weird... they're more pointing out that he's stopped utilizing his eyes for sensory and they're subconsciously moving along with the concepts he's processing in his head.
interesting; I didn't even notice the eye movement until I read it in comments 😅- as a Ti dom, I catch myself staring off into space after the thought as well when I conceptualize things, but my eyes tend to stare off into just one direction and more slowly switch positions with different thoughts when utilizing my own intuition - I find it interesting that his eyes are moving that fast as he processes as an Ni dom; wondering eye movement correlates with how he's connecting the dots/sorting the concepts in his head..
Absolutely! I believe this wholeheartedly! Do the right thing even if no one is watching. :)
I feel like Covid has given us the opportunity to see ourselves outside of our social circles and outside validation, so that we can decide if we like who we are and what we are doing.
True, but for Savior Fe we still need to talk to get our everyday task done. That's why I go on Discord just to get some conversations going about multiple topics. Not for validation, but for sheer joy in communicating with people and getting their thoughts and values.
❤
Great point- I’ve done a lot of refining of my character during this time. Do I like who I am being right now? If not, what now? It has been awesome going thru that.
Some of us have been doing that all along. 😉
6:06 Shan is so mature, fuck it, I used to have this hate towards Te, but as I'm learning how much she was able to grow and find balance between her Fi and her Te, I'm starting to fall in love with the idea of Te doms balancing themselves with Fi... It's so beautiful and wise...
Is she an ENTJ
The end clip. I can’t even explain why it’s funny but it is
I relate to the lead Ti guy during that interview as an INTP. My mom and sister are Fi saviors (ISFP, Fi dom, and ESFP, Fi second) and they will say the most random Fi things that they value or dont value, and it boils down to me Ti picking it apart for their own personal reasonings. Literally boils down to, "I dont know, it just feels like me" or "I just like/dislike it" and me being even more confused. Like I understand knowing oneself, but for me, it has to make sense, I have a certain logic as to why I follow or do things a certain way, but I gotta have my reasons and understand how it works.
For example, my mom will like the color maroon cause she likes it and its one of her favorite colors and will Se decorate the house with a lot of Maroon colored things. Me, I don't have a favorite colors cause there are too many variables in picking one, but I'll probably pick blue lighting in my room cause i understand and have done research on color psychology (and as a graphic designer) blue will induce the feelings of calm and relaxation if I feel like I need to de-stress.
Oh this the power of the sleep animal! Instead of just blasting the whatever, just use it on yourself first. Just take your own damn advice or be what you say you are to other people and if it works, the people will come to you.
Chance maybe i am lead sleep because this really resonates with me. i have lots of Fi values that i stand for but i never tell people how to live. i simply hope to inspire them to take the paths i believe in just by unapologetically being me. and i do find that i attract the right people into my life through this way of being and see how i subtly influence them in ways that they’re not even aware of - and i don’t even need to (formally) manipulate them. it’s an interesting way to live!
Excellent summary of this video’s main point! They should have based the video title on this.
YEs, except the reality is that people will NOT come to you bc you will be so busy 'navel-gazing' that you wont meet anyone new.
A positive spin on saviour Fi for a change
Finally something positive about FI for once.
As an INTJ with M Ni savior and F Fi savior, actions speak louder than words. I can't stand people who are all talk and no action.
Around about 4:30 I couldn't help but think that I have the opposite issue: Instead of craving the stage without living the experience, I want to do all that inner work and have little interest in sharing the lessons I've learned. I mean, why should I think my ideas would work for anyone else? Better to encourage people to think for themselves and find their own answers, right?
But what if people could benefit from your knowledge and experience? For example, my INFP mom was a tremendous teacher, her students reeaally loved her. But for her whole career, she refused to have interns, she'd say "who am I to teach someone else how to teach?" "every teacher is different". I'm still to this day baffled by that. From my blast perspective it seems like a lack of generosity and solidarity. You ask why should your ideas work on anyone else, and it's a valid concern, after all, someone's remedy is someone else's poison. But why not let other people decide if your ideas work for them? Why withhold what you know from them?
Jeff, you must be blast last (I am blast last) you sound a lot like me. I will consume lots and lots of information, or create lots of music, study many different fields on a deep level but keep it to myself. I say to myself - why share it? What am I afraid of? I don't share it because I don't value it. I only share what I value, only that what is worth sharing. But its insecurity that keeps me from sharing what to me isn't perfect or bulletproof, or mature. Like writing the first draft for a novel, it may take many more before the author is satisfied - I guess that is okay. Maybe you are only on your first draft, but at some point you need to blast for other's benefit. Otherwise, you devalue what you've learned.
As an INFP my approach is also different: I do all the inner work, I learn my lessons and run them trough again and again in order to polish them and turn the original abstract concepts into speech that can be easily understood by anyone. Yet I don't share that finished result, instead, if I think my lessons might be of any value for anyone else, I prefer to share the story, how I came to the original concepts, the draft, so to speak. People don't value what is given to them freely, so if you make them jog a little to keep up they are more likely to actually pay attention. Not only that, but, since we are coming from different backgrounds, we might be able to extract different lessons from one same story and whilst mine may work for me, it might not work for them, but theirs might just do the trick. By forcing the lesson into someone I believe you are potentially robbing them from the possibility of learning something new off of your experiences.
@@laurenchide Im an INFP afterschool teacher (an of course the kids love me). Im constanly having to tell my IxxJ boss that no, im not going to be super controlling because there is no need for it. Now, she's an IxxJ, meaning that she inherently wantS to control, and Im FiNe, so i want to do my own thing, and if its chaotic, I like it more. It doesn't matter what YOU think because I want to and its obvious the kids are happy and comfortable with me.
6:00 I mean, Shan is absolutely right from here to the end. But as someone on the other decider axis, I'm often like:
"If there's no one else besides me to value this, what value is there even to it at all?"
YES
So if there's no one looking, you cease to exist?
@@entropyfun In all honesty? Yes, I've had that thought before. I know it's not true, but that's what it can feel like.
This is what’s cool - I think De people can find value in something because others value it. It’s like people who enjoy going to a movie alone vs those who enjoy the experience of sharing the movie with others. Neither is right or wrong, they are just different.
Someone random..you mean from a Ti viewpoint?
Lmfao!!! I love these little videos at the end! They are so funny and weird! I love it!! Also as a Te savior and Fi demon, doing the work on yourself is amazing. Finding you're own values and morals is freeing. When you have strong convictions in what you believe and it's against the tribe then it's fine. Sure there is a fear of them not liking you anymore and that goes into what matters more. Tribe liking you or you liking yourself. I can always find another tribe with the same values as me but my values that I worked hard and long on finding and building are not so easily changed. I like having my Fi working it means I understand myself more and my Te just helps my Fi develop more by making sense of what I believe
Perfectly stated.
Dave's eye rolls when Shan was talking hahaha
His processing is so funny to watch
i was dying at that point
2:11 Savior Fi in a nutshell
You guys are amazing! Thank you so much for these videos!
Integrity... what you do when no one is watching
This was really interest. I mean, you CAN teach what you "know," but just knowing something and telling someone about it doesn't hold any value unless you can put it to good use or use it to grown yourself. So, you can teach what you "are" is super important and valid because everywhere you go and how you present yourself should be a testament to your inner-self, your character, and that is what will truly make an impact on others. If you are a cold and bitter person on the inside, that is eventually going to affect others and cause pain upon others. If you are a warm and compassionate person on the inside, that is going to affect others in a positive way and others will then feel drawn towards you because of who you are.
This is why I don't understand jealousy. We each are so very *specific*..."good" and "bad".
That was quite mind blowing for me. Thanks.
You guys are great as always!
I always think i'm quite authentic and live my truth fully, until im in the presence of an FI dom, they're the master jedi's of authenticity hahah
Bravo!!! 👏👏👏 I think a lot of the younger generations would benefit from this message. Sorry young folks, just an old lady Gen Xer here.
Walk your talk sums up this vid. Thank you! 😁
Haha great synopsis!!
Pretty typical Gen Xer ideal. The DIY generation. Sadly, if everyone walks their talk, then society fragments and starts breaking down, which is what we’re seeing now.
I would say, let the individualist walk their talk, let the tribalist connect society, let the organizers manage it, and let the gatherers search for what enriches us. That would be more accurate and more balanced. We all have our roles, not all roles are the Fi/Ti path.
@@fedup1606 I'm not sure what you mean about seeing society fragmenting currently. The reason it is is because no one walks their talk. We as a society talk a lot but don't really take responsibility or action with the things we talk about. This is just in my experience and from what I see.
I do like what you are saying in terms of each person having their roles in order to make up a balanced whole. I do agree with that as well. They just need to carry out their roles from a place of character, integrity and authenticity.
I'm also always open to hearing different ways to do things. I know there is not just one path to achieve an end result.
With all that being pointed out in the video, I am still looking forward to hitting the gym on Friday when it opens finally and getting some of that muscle validation again soon. 😜
Damn the SF is sooo good! I need to up my game soooo much! Love the message!
ExxJ shan getting weird about people in this video and IxxJ dave getting weird about things 🥴
It's easier to "teach" (or criticize) as opposed to just being.
No. Simply Being is the single most simple thing in all existence. But the simple is hard and complex for the mind construct. Gotta go beyond mind limitations, Be and realize how wonderful this life is.
After watching this for the 300th time I realized that I do also take hella micro-opportunities to feed my Fi 😂
3:30 At this point I was doing the SAME F*CKING THING as Dave; staring at the void and processing these great insights Shanny provided with regards to Di vs De, but probably I was trying to understand what she went through and taking it back to her emotional situation (Fe her Fi) while Dave was, idk, "Te-ing" it lol
Shannon, you fucking nailed it.
Met this dude.
No thanks.
"Smiling faces, smiiiling faces..."
LOVE you two! 😂
You guys are so freakin cool😂😂😂
Fi saviour INFP here, it's so true, my self-esteem can only come from within. When I was in university I had four jobs on campus, founded and ran a club, was a campus activist, volunteered, won awards, had a 4.1 GPA. When I'd get home at night and on the weekends I would do NOTHING, I would just lie in bed and watch UA-cam and let my place be filthy and not even feed myself. I would try to explain to people "no, you don't understand, I don't DO anything, I'm so lazy" and they'd be like "quick question what the FUCK are you talking about you are literally winning everything and everywhere" and I'd be like "no that's all like whatever, it doesn't matter, trust me I don't do anything I'm such a piece of shit."
Alex Gatto yes yes yes! INFP here too, and the flip side is also true - following what actually makes me feel fulfilled doesn’t always look as impressive to the tribe (... does it ever?) and being older I’m good with losing that empty feedback from the tribe that I mistook for fulfillment for so long.
Is your last animal sleep?
@@TheNicMMc I think I'm Consume, Sleep, Blast, Play actually. I will very much literally choose to consume over sleep but after that I think I was going into extreme Sleep mode at home because I had to expend so much Blast and Play energy at school. I think I got involved with so many things on campus not out of Play but actually Consume energy, wanting to have all these experiences. I ended up pretty overwhelmed having to deal with so many obligations and responsibilities though, that's not really my happy place. Follow-through is my kryptonite... :'(
God, this is kinda the same thing im experiencing. Thank you.
However i did made myself drop the grades and expectations when i was leading, i cant say i regret it, its a mix between happiness and sadness. I wanted spotlight, but when i do get it, it feels empty over the years.
that "winning everything" sounds like an ST type of thing. Unless you have the ST talents most INFP's DONT have then cool.
Last comment but I love how Shan opens this video 😂 I've been saying it randomly often hahahaha
In other words, it's the prioritizing of substance over style.
Such valuable insights.
Well, the thing with muscles or fitness in general is it shows the character of discipline, consistency in action, & directed restraint in not eating poorly. I think that very positively reflects on that person. Is that all they are? No, not necessarily. But it is an example of what this girl is talking about. If the tribe praises it, that doesn’t remove everything that went into it nor is it necessarily the point. People can do things for the effects it gives themselves. IE Fi.
Beautiful video. Being b4 doing. Thanks❤🙏 ISFP
Haha, in this video you can see a savior te-se person valuing si-users lol
5:02 wait I do this. With my soap mostly. Like I bought a new one but I still had the old one and then I wanted to use the new one but i still had some of the old one
This concept of shallow unhappy value can be applied to individuals upward to entire populations. Think about the different values of eastern (introverted qualities and intrinsic rewards held in high esteem) vs. western (extroverted qualities and extrinsic rewards held in high esteem). Add to that heavily marketed consumerism. What were we talking about?
Couldn't this guy be an ESFP just as easily? I feel like the sensing comes first then goes through his Fi lens
As an INTP my reaction is this:
"I don't give a flying fuck about someone's character!
If a saint says something that happens to be mistaken then character be damned.
Words stand and fall on the merit of their value, reasoning and evidence.
Either they are true and significant to me, or
significant but false, or
true but trivial, or
both false and trivial.
*I've seen far too often a person valuing character who therefore is overconfident in his or her "Truths" so I don't trust people who value character.*
"
I’m ISTP 4w5. I value character, but I value truth more. I can’t be in a romantic relationship with a guy who lacks character AND doesn’t value truth and logic. Enneagram 2 people and high Fe users are often so fake to me, I can’t stand it. And high Fi users are often selfish and entitled, and I can’t tolerate that either. There are few people I can tolerate lol.
@@CuddleClaw. On a completely different topic since I have an istp to ask: Is it true that ISTPs explode uncontrollable when in anger?
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 hahaha that CAN happen. It HAS happened more than a few times. I’ve taught myself patience. And I’ve learned to pay attention to how I feel, I can feel the anger start to boil up and I try to prevent the explosion. But when I’m out of options (I can’t flee, the other person keeps talking or pushing after I’ve verbally informed them that I need quiet or space) then BOOM. If at work, I can’t just explode, so I’ll play “the opposite game,” I’ll say the opposite of everything I want to say and my tone will be more Fe-like, but drenched in sarcasm, and painted with valley-girl voice…. So it’s kinda like Im making fun of the person and the situation in a socially acceptable way… but I also feel like a monster because my real thoughts and feelings are so cruel and violent.
I don’t think most people realize how much patience I have. And other types don’t seem to understand that for an ISTP, feeling annoyed is a big deal. I literally CANNOT be around people who I consistently feel annoyed by. I can’t do it. It steals my peace. And I just am not willing to play that game anymore just to get along with the tribe. Fuck the tribe. I went along as a kid, as a young adult, and I was miserable. Now I’m way more selfish and as long as I stay away from most people, I’m usually happy and at peace.
@@CuddleClaw. The roman philosopher Seneca reasoned that annoyance and frustration come from expecting the world to be a certain way and having the expectations broken.
He believed that one should identify and lower expectations.
The emperor had huge anger problems at the time and expected the entire world to dance in his palm.
It's hard though, to like 'alter expectations' for how other people are like. Too integral to our mind.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I can agree to that. I do have an idealistic way I’d like the world to be, but I also accept that the world is not that way and it never will be. So why bother. When I’m in a great mood, low stress, people who normally bother me don’t bother me, I just laugh at how dumb they are (to myself) and I can effortlessly just brush off everything. But when under a lot of stress, or i have things i need to do (like recharge or finish my work), but people are seemingly trying to prevent me from doing what i need or want to do, it takes a whole lot of effort to do the mental gymnastics, it takes away my energy, and I feel resentful that people can’t just respect my needs especially when I’ve gone out of my way to respect theirs. It’s too much work. When I’m alone, I’m free to be exactly me, no extra effort to dance around the tribe. I know HOW to do it. I just don’t WANT to anymore. I’m over it most days. Even with having friends, it can be a lot of work, I hate feeling obligated to do anything. I don’t expect anything from most people. But I still need to be away from them.
That’s definitely what Fi is all about. For a Fi dom it is a natural path to take though. It really doesn’t matter what other people say, if Fi is not pleased with itself, it’s not pleased.
I have two questions though. Does this also apply to Ti? I imagine Ti is all about being logically consistent behind and on screen, but not so much value driven. And more importantly, do De doms actually gain benefit from living based on their own values in private? It seems like that is not what drives their life. So does the advice still apply to them?
I know lead Ti people that live their values. Especially if their second function is Ni or Ne. 🤷🏼♀️ I’m still learning, but that’s how it appears to me.
Dana DuBois that makes sense. Di is all about self and what self values. I guess the difference between Fi and Ti is what those values are grounded on - feeling vs thinking?
@@danad401 NiTi, I will share basic human values with the tribe and even understand the emotional needs, I however must have a good reason to adopt many of them for myself, once something no longer makes sense to do, to believe, that's when the conflict comes in with me and the tribe.
Ti dom here. For me, the inner authenticity seems just as important as it does to Fi Doms. It’s just based on our reasons for things, which is authentic to us, rather than our values. If it works, and makes sense to us (not always practical for the tribe) then it is true. That truth of self is where we live, happily.
Some say Fi is concerned with morals and Ti is concerned with ethics. For me that makes sense - Se/Ti.
I love my fellow Fi doms out there.
Everyone wants to portray themselves as the better guy, if not the best guy, but only a few respectable ones are genuinely entitled.
Damn Dave, that toothpaste reference. Oof.
This is a mentality you have to embrace if you wish to make a difference in your children's lives, because they learn based on the parents actions and not the hot gas they're passing. You can talk to your child ALL DAY, but it'll go in one ear and out the other. You want your kid to pick up a habit, you better practice it in front of them, and better be mindful as hell ESPECIALLY when you think they aren't paying attention to you because they absolutely are and that's when our true selves come out. Once that auto pilot kicks on, all of the subconscious programming shines through, and the hypocrisy shines through. Those are the parents that you'll hear yelling at their kids, "Do as I say, not as I do" or they'll be complaining that they don't understand where their children get their, "Bad" habits from, but their children are identical to their parents because they learn and mimic what we do.
Well done, guys!! But please explain Fi!!!!!
Collective Soul 🤘😎🤘
Show not tell!! If you don’t want their life...meh. 😜
🎸🔥⚡️🔥⚡️”QUACK”🎸🔥⚡️🔥⚡️
I rather be the backstage producer, not the star on stage. What savior/demon function or state would this implicate?
(My animal may be sleep first)
That sounds like sleep first. Maybe Di masculine.
@@TheNicMMc Makes sense, I rather interact "distantly" most times, yet still be produce with the teams(although I rather just work alone and bring my portion to the team).
Good stuff!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
YES. YES. this video is yes
I looooove this video. Finally Di love.
Well done, ty
You guys should do a Fe v Te video
Can u guys do Steven Colbert? Im curious whats he got that i clearly dont😄
2:27 Fi
6:10 again
Namaste brah
I must use up the end of everything....😬toothpDte, tp, ketchup arrrrhhhh
So Savior Fi is Meta. Ok.
Do you even Di bruh?
Who is this guy? I like him.
how would it work for an intp?
Yup.
I can help.
I dunno. I think that to truly know something, you’re not going to just regurgitate what you’ve been told. You will have understood it and integrated it into your system of understanding of the world. So if you truly KNOW something, it should become (at least part of) what you are. Unless you’re lying to yourself (in which case your knowledge isn’t complete) or there is something greater that is taking priority and somehow superseding it.
So I guess my qualm isn’t with the fact that you teach why you are, it’s with the insinuation that knowing and being are not fundamentally connected in this case.
I do and don’t relate. Of course, who you are is more important than what you say or present. However, I value truth wherever and from whomever it comes from, whether they live or truly believe it or not.
That is besides the point. It's not about whether you will take it or leave it, it's about being consistent with what you present to other people/when you're by yourself.
Flipperish Heart I already addressed that in my second comment and, I suppose, one could say half-way in my first. I responded to their point then made my own, if that’s alright with you?
I kinda agree with you, but... People have millions of ideas everyday and no one can test them all to see which ones are true, so there must be some filter. And checking if the person lives his/her own ideas is a good filter, it's not perfect but it's good
José Henrique Ferreira de Sousa hey thanks for your response. :) I guess I see checking for logical consistencies and objective reason as being the best filter for what can be filtered for actual truth. And I would disagree that their living it or not is a good filter. I think it’s a good way to see if they have integrity and perhaps you could use it to gauge how it’s working for them but a lot of people live (honestly and with this form of integrity) in a way that blatantly ignores, opposes, etc. reality.
100% great advice except I would not use muscles as an example of shallowness. It takes real charachter as a natty to develop your body. Just saying, love you guys :)
I am all for letting people do what they want, but these guru types still annoy me.
This is actually wrong.
To get muscles you need to be type of a person.
DETIRMINED TYPE which has DISCIPLINE
To get a expensive car you also need to be really useful to everybody so that they are willing to pay you. Meaning you had some great skills which you needed to develop or you are naturally talented.
Hi, where is that clip from? Is it available here on UA-cam? I want to watch the whole thing. Thanks! 🙂
6:58
Thank me later.
Thanks
@@katherinehendrix3887 :)
Does the guy on the left have a wife and kids? All the hippy fi stuff sounds great until outside responsibilities are added. Then fi needs to grow up and redo it's world view. You will need to work /with/ the tribe if you are going to create a life that lives on after you die; ie kids. Everybody needs clothes and food. If you're going to bachelor your entire life, than go ahead and "just do you man." If you want to get laid consistently, and you want to keep a childish form of fi, your wife might get a little sick of working and providing you enough money so you can pretend you don't need worldly things. The tribe gives you value when you take care of your business, because that means you aren't a drain on the tribe.
That's your projection. For some reason you completely forgot about, you need others to be like that if they're not as miserable as you are.
Fi??! Nah, he's very evidently a Ti user (ESTP to be exact), rarely speaks in a context addressing or highlighting his own values (referring to 'us'/the group and using him as a contextual person within that group dynamic not as the centre piece of the point), communicates with the goal of definitively understanding and being understood (Ti 101), vs being effective or socially correct according to agreeable facts (Te).
But then, you both are ESTP (Dave) and ESFP (Shan) presenting as 2 ENTJ's lol 🤦🏽♂️. The foundation of your model is built on observations not ideas, displaying an overwhelming preference for sensing and clear absence of intuition. Intuitive's create metaphysical models framed around an idea, not concrete rules of observation. Both are great, but one cannot do the other.
I'm shocked 🤭..how do none of the influencers know their own type, running around creating intellectual models & giving advice (posed as intellectuals) that inevitably misguide masses of people who enthusiastic about an exciting science 🤷🏽♂️.
Outside of Binyamin who is an ISTP - CS Josephs the narcissist (INTJ-obsessed by his Fi child), Mr & Mrs Powers (ESTP & FP), Eric Thor (INTP), Eric 'I'm high' (ESTP), Love lu (ENFJ), Michael Pierce the philosopher (ISTP), Frank James the actor (ISFP - spits Fi everywhere 😂), Antonia Dodge (ESTP), Joel Mark-Whit (INFJ). Kate from type match was ENTP, likely due to watching your stuff (but admirably came around to her true type as ESTP after a bit of convincing.)
This space is really untidy. 🧹
This is more of a message to people trying to learn about type - take these influencers with a pinch of salt, outside of MyType Kayleigh (the graceful queen), Kate (Typematch), Nathan (from love who, he's an ENTP although he doesn't know it), take these guys with a pinch of salt. Binyamin is cool, but he follows a flawed model, he's the most intellectual of the artisan influencers and should break away from this objective personality stuff.
I'll make an appearance soon and tidy up some (probably most) of this mess. And you'll know what a real intellectual who knows what their talking about looks like.
(That's Fi-trickster btw ;) - sounds conceited right)...
and yep, this is deliberately (audaciously) polarising. All this nicey-nice 'everyone gets to play' stuff is why there's this awful confusion, and it's wrong!
Cool but have you even started brah?
It’s all bs and for the views and to sell their product. It’s just preying on the gullible and insecure. Their rambling on about “tribe” goals is the same ramble used in religion when talking about “worldly things” only, they’re preaching something less supernatural as the way out. Replace their personality lingo with Christian lingo. It’s a formula dude. Calling yourself the true intellectual isn’t a good hook. This personality crap isn’t for people who truly respect intelligence. They only think they do. You got to get them in their feels, then hit the insecurities or I don’t know, do something less shady and a bit more honest like telemarketing.
I was thinking I was the only one. I'm kind of happy reading this post from you. OPS does make sense but ONLY in the context to classify communication styles rather than personality or character. I've seen everything you say about all these people. I don't neccasarily agree with your typing of them, but that's besides the point.
These people still rely on the superficial ideas as inspiration coming from old psychology. However they've never learned to apply the scientific method, and never learned to use them as premises rather than a foundation of theory. Not only that, jungian models are incomplete. It takes implicit (axiomatic objectivity) theory in order to make any hypothesis credible. From there you proof it theoretically, and finally show the consequent end results by practical application. If we were to do this from using any of the models of any of the people you've mentioned, you'll find biases everywhere that do not allow neuro a-typical personalities to be classified accurately. For example, how do high sensitives (neurological higher sensitivity to stimulation) fit into this? According to OPS, high sensitives must be Fi/Se lead because they'll automatically value things differently due to high sensitivity. What about autism? They're known to be more generally conscientious. Do they now have a logical personality because that's how they present themselves? Or do they actually have a rich inner world that they can't show others because they're stuck in coping mechanisms? None of these models can rationally answer those questions. And the reason for that is simple; this is protoscience.
It is protoscience, but none of this is crap. They're all honest attempts to make the world a better place in their own way. We should therefore not further critise them, but rather, support them from a distance. We should however as you've done, advice others that this is a thing that happens. Use these models for communication purposes, not for classification. If you do, you'll get nasty surprises.
@@msc8382 I agree with some things you said however I do think that communication is a big indicater on how you use cognitive function as it is usually a diect product or your perception combinded with the way you figured it out and the 'value' or emotion that is transported by it.
But anyways. I think a lot of people overvalue mbti and it's use tbh. Since our cognitive function are not the only part of our cognitve vireing a lot of other things can take in impact for example. I think every part of your genetic Preisposition determines how you cognitivly develop and probably take influence on the cognitive functions as well.
I am an entp for example but who has developed senses (senses not the function sensing e.g. I have a highly developed sense of taste an smell and am pretty light sensitive, but I bad eye). However because I'm easily overstimulated in this deapartment plus my bad eye sight I alaways avoided the sensory and usually don't pay attention to my envirenment and what I'm doing myself at all and escape more to my ne.
What I wanted to say with this example is that other genetic factors may have an impact on how your cognitive functions manifest (and because of the back and forth correlation of course also mental illnesses).
From their Theory I know enfjs and infjs who are not jumpers but with super developed ti due to them having a talent for deduction and math while ti being the most 'useful' function for that subject they developed in general and are now more trustworthy of their ti and able to use that as a general tool for making decisions and understanding.
When a function develops (as you can see) plays a role as well in combination with genetic prwdisposition. Also the nature vs nurture debate shouldn't be dismissed as well. In order to understand and 'survive' in a certain envirenment a certain function might be useful. An intp in the army might have developed there blindspot se more in combtination with there si in order to quite literally suirvive lol. School is another example where you almost always have to engage in all of your functions in order to get good results mostly because it's a requirement for different subjects but also different teachers beinh different types and therefore expecting different things to whom you have to adapt.
Again nature vs. Nature is a debate in general about various different cognitive and genetical things for example IQ as well.
And behavior typing is another thing which leads to a lot of misinformation about mbti. The content you are talking about doesn't directly have to determine your mbti type (leading back to the nature vs. Nurture debate and the genetic presdisposition part). I actually think the main thing the cognitve functions actually determine is someones perception and experience of reality (for example te-fi model about emotions >>>emotions being the best conclusion you brain can make based on the information you have