Ti vs. Fi | Introverted Thinking vs. Introverted Feeling

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  • @AlexisKingsley
    @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +12

    I wanted to pin two great examples of Ti-dom and Fi-dom diving into nuance within their respective preferences:
    Ti Ben Vaserlan: ua-cam.com/users/lives8rq59CmvkM?feature=share
    Fi Dulles: ua-cam.com/video/r6Ghp3xTsG8/v-deo.html

    • @dulles1969
      @dulles1969 Рік тому +1

      Wow this is excellent Alexis! I've been following your cognitive functions series here and there, and I (and my tiny channel) are humbled by a mention... 😊
      A reprise of two very worthy points: First, that Fi/Ne and Ti/Ne are on the same page more often than not. Second, that Fi doms like Ti doms turn inward, so normally you won't get much SJW action out of either.

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +1

      @@dulles1969 Your ethics content is some top tier content! The video I linked in particular had a refreshingly balanced take. I wholeheartedly concur with your reprise 🙏

  • @stroltstruut4529
    @stroltstruut4529 Рік тому +30

    Please never stop those videos. You Really put words on things that are difficult to talk about casually. Great content ❤❤❤❤

  • @EmyN
    @EmyN Рік тому +12

    Girl you are killing it with this series! And I'm going to watch all of it 😂

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +3

      Thank you!! 🙏 😭 edit: that crying emoji looks so much more dramatic in youtube's version lol

  • @stephaniestafford3797
    @stephaniestafford3797 Рік тому +6

    Isfp here☺️… This video series is great Alexis. I enjoy how you take complex information and simplify it. I appreciate how you cleared up that not all fi doms or non fi doms are “whiny, sensitive, social justice warrior” and “pushing our values onto others” I admit, I can be whiny, sensitive (emotional) but I really keep it to myself. No way would I ever push my values onto other people. They need to choose for themselves. I respect other people and their choices. Even though I might not agree with their choices at times, I still believe people have every right to choose for themselves.
    Also I journal daily, like your husband 😄 i gotta get these deep emotions out and evaluate where I’m at on my moral scale which helps me in my walk with Jesus. Thank you for all the work you do with these videos. So helpful😀

  • @Chemppi
    @Chemppi Рік тому +6

    Thank you for the video. It's been super hard for me to decipher if I'm Fi or Ti dominant, mainly because I can relate to both. And the more I dive into the MBTI, the more confusing it gets for me, because Fi-Te can basically look like Ti-Fe, even though they are completely different functions. Plus it's super hard to type one self due to bias. Plus I can't 100% trust other peoples descriptions of me, as they are also affected by their personality, life experiences, inner world, possible trauma and interpretations, moral code, etc. Anyways, the point is, that your video clarified some points to me, and it's really nice to get an objective picture of it, instead of always hearing that Ti users are selfish idiots who don't have morals or compassion, and that Fi users are just following whatever feeling they have at the time, without any logic or sense.

    • @AH-sl7km
      @AH-sl7km 2 місяці тому +1

      having this exact dilemma right now, let me know if u figured it out in the past year and if you did then how 🤝

  • @jaredvaughan1665
    @jaredvaughan1665 Рік тому +8

    That which is good (Fi) is true (Ti.)
    - Aquinas

  • @tsukigaze
    @tsukigaze Рік тому +6

    Your videos are very impressive in terms of quality and you communicate ideas very eloquently. Looking forward to a video where you compare Ni with Ne in depth ‼️

  • @haneenasad
    @haneenasad Рік тому +1

    As an ISFP/INFP: You nailed Fi!! Well done, couldn't have described it better myself ❤

  • @stevedavenport1202
    @stevedavenport1202 Рік тому +12

    The issue I have had with a lot of Fi doms is that its hard to predict their triggers since Fi values differ from person to person.

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +12

      In my experience pure Ti isn't typically the offender to Fi (it's pretty easy to judge their intent as impersonal even if a little clunky at times). In my experience it's usually Ti mixed with a heavy dose of less sophisticated Fe trying to make people laugh by making fun of people (not just critiquing knowledge in general, but it becomes making fun of a person) or engage in teaming "us vs them" jokes, where the intent becomes less academic when Fe is involved, and more personal against a team or group they don't identify with. For Fi it's not as much about what you say, but about your intent behind why you said it (was it out of pride, was it said in insecurity, was it to gain clout, was it to prove in front of everyone another's stupidity etc.). Like Ti becomes very good over time at spotting false information, Fi-doms are good at spotting false intentions. Sometimes when I'm unsure of what my intentions are I'll ask my ISFP husband and he can easily list 4 or so different intentions even when I couldn't get to that knowledge as easily myself, and they always ring true, and if I'm honest with myself, at least one of my intentions is typically immoral in my eyes. Te and Fe both want the shortcuts to a favorable outcome, Fe might say "tell me all the things not to say that will produce a bad outcome and I won't say them." Fi wants the process to be clean, for people to go inward, do the journaling, really excavate themselves (which can be done in a Ti way.)

    • @FatefulMender89
      @FatefulMender89 Рік тому +1

      @@AlexisKingsleyThat sounds like me in middle school, high school and college. If there was anybody that I got the impression not many people liked I’d start making fun of them and making them sound like a loser. Nobody understood this because to them it looked like I was hating on somebody for no reason and it was for no reason because I didn’t really care about the subject of my attacks and within weeks I’d be getting along with them when everything blew over. I learned early on that I really don’t know how to navigate the social sphere

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 Рік тому +4

      @AlexisKingsley Thanks for the insight. My wife is an ISFP. Another interesting thing I have observed with her and other ISFPs is their absolutely uncanny ability to read people in depth.
      My wife can see a picture of a person she has never met with a blank expression. She can figure out all kinds of details about them including how bright they are, where they fall on the naughty or nice scale and other quirks. She does this in seconds.

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +2

      @@stevedavenport1202 Oooh ISFP spouse club! I rarely come across people who are or who are with ISFPs. What's your type and what do you think of the pairing?

    • @stephaniestafford3797
      @stephaniestafford3797 Рік тому

      @@stevedavenport1202isfp here… it’s crazy how we do this. I don’t understand fully how it works, but I can do this even with people on tv or pretty much anyone I meet or see. I’ve been told that I’m “clairvoyant”, haha! But it’s really a gut thing for me and a deep knowing.

  • @jacobtroxel3428
    @jacobtroxel3428 Рік тому +1

    I have found it quite difficult to determine when someone has Ti or Fi parent archetype. Now i'm realizing how to for sure tell the difference between ENTP and ENFP. Thanks!

  • @alynazt
    @alynazt Рік тому

    Out of all the videos I’ve watched explaining the difference between cognitive functions (and boy, I have watched a bunch), you explained it best. Your explanations are concise and and are easy to understand. Thank you so much for making these videos!!

  • @chairman6044
    @chairman6044 Рік тому

    Thank you for making that point about emotions just being part of the human experience. I feel like it’s the biggest typing error made

  • @Heyokasireniei468sxso
    @Heyokasireniei468sxso Рік тому +5

    Hi , I don't think anyone has done this ,but would you do Ni and FI since they both seem to have spiritual aspects to them.

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +3

      I hadn't even thought to do that! That's a great idea to expand beyond the typical pairs.

    • @Heyokasireniei468sxso
      @Heyokasireniei468sxso Рік тому

      @@AlexisKingsley Thank you for considering my suggestion ..

  • @amanda7228
    @amanda7228 Рік тому +1

    You are brilliant, I am loving this series! Do you plan on comparing introverted and extroverted functions like Fi vs Fe?

  • @PSLegend999
    @PSLegend999 2 місяці тому +1

    As an INTJ, my Fi manifests less in a "I need moral perfection way" and more in an annoyed way if someone is proven to be egocentric, lacking epistemic humility, unable to detached themselves from their ideas. Certain attitudes that may or may not have moral connotations attached e.g. a strong ego can become a potent bias that obscures Te's getting things done the way it is stuff. While I can come across as arrogant because sometimes I just know things due to pattern recognition/intuition, there are some attitudes and people lacking identity/awareness of their feelings that I really dislike. It's hard to demarcate things you cannot identify, making it hard to detach the bias. I often loathe "holier than thou" type of attitude in anyone. I can find INTPs (demon Fi) very difficult to handle, it's as if someone needs to have a mathematical approximation of their feelings, and when they can't they just float around in a paranoid state (at least some of the ones I met). Big turn off for me relationship wise is when someone doesn't know what they want both in the Te sense and in the Fi sense.
    I like to dissect my emotions and their layers and get deeply into them in order to process (when it's not interfering with tasks). I find where the triggers are in order to see where I need to heal. it's like a ship with holes. I locate the holes and patch them, though it's a lot more complicated than just patching a hole. I go into the whereabouts of why I feel a certain way and try to trace the roots of it. it can lead to me tapping into the most intense/painful parts of my being, but I believe that is the way to deal with it: identification and coming up with resolution based on precedence and antecedents.
    In regards to chains of intentions, I often question if what I say is authentic to what I feel in a given moment. if it changes later, if it's mutable. I hate feeling flakey and saying things without an actual emotional intent. which is why I hate a lot of social situations in real life and just prefer to not interact at all. it sometimes forces you to be fake. I'm not entirely sure if I care about if it's moral, but I want "good results" where those I care for aren't thrown under the bus. there is a huge desire to create consistency within emotions and weed out contradictions.

  • @MissJ970
    @MissJ970 4 місяці тому

    INFJ and Ive always wondered why I get SO angry sometimes. This finally explains it. TY!

  • @mattguess9887
    @mattguess9887 Рік тому +2

    INFP here…My Fi likes to appraise the “value” of everything-actions, thoughts, ideas, concepts. I’ll find myself saying “that’s a good idea” or “that’s a bad plan.” To me it’s more than just morality in the religious sense of the word. It’s also concerned with meaning. Now I know Ni is very concerned with meaning, but so is Fi. It is often evaluating the meaning of various things. I’m also subconsciously evaluating other’s intent and motives, but that might just be my Ne. Ive noticed that over the course of making constant judgements of everything that “value, meaning, and intent” are all somehow related and interconnected. I’m sure that that conclusion would trigger a Ti user. 😂😂😂

    • @RlyOverBored
      @RlyOverBored Рік тому

      Im a Ti dom, didnt trigger me at all, thanks for ur viewpoint as a matter of fact.
      I've been trying to identify Fi closely. The word morals for Fi is solid but I didnt think it was "accurate" enough. Once u said in paraphrase "Fi is just more than morals", I think we are getting on the same page.
      I think the word "art" or "hermeneutics" for Fi might be the word to interconnect "value, meaning and intent" without necessarily having a moral (good or bad) implication, but rather express an opinion/interpretation that symbolizes something that you personally believe deeply. Art is an expression/interpretation of what you're trying to convey, the topic doesnt have to be moral all the time but u may lean into it more likely. Hermeneutics is a big fancy word for "art of interpretation". The evidence is more clear when you said "thats a good idea, thats a bad plan". Morality is non existent here, its purely interpretation of what a good or bad idea is.
      Everything that comes out of your mouth comes from the heart so I think "art" might be the golden word to encompass everything Fi has to offer.
      Art is the whole Fi if u will and morals, opinions, values, beliefs are included in the art.

  • @PRKLGaming
    @PRKLGaming 5 місяців тому

    As an INTP (and thank you for this video because it helped me be closer to the "ultimate validity" of me being INTP lol), I find the INFP obsession over intentions a bit odd, almost unethical (Fe?), because intentions don't matter as much as consequences. My Fe makes me believe most people have good intentions, yet they still accidentally do evil, and that's what sucks about life and morals.

  • @_lil_lil
    @_lil_lil 2 місяці тому

    Alright, I'm about to find out if I'm an xNTP or xNFP, let's goooo

  • @BenVaserlan
    @BenVaserlan Рік тому +3

    My Ti thanks for its endorsement and my Te and Fe for the traffic. Will watch. :)

    • @AlexisKingsley
      @AlexisKingsley  Рік тому +2

      Of course! You've been so helpful. Everyone go watch his stuff!

    • @BenVaserlan
      @BenVaserlan Рік тому +1

      @@AlexisKingsley Thank you, Alexis. As you've noticed but this is for others to: I always try to point out when I think thoughts are my own or imported from others. And also when different theories support each other e.g. Keirsey's system of intellects correlating to Wheelhouse functions pairs e.g. Fe and Ni to helping peopling people psychologically vs Fe with Si helping people by providing for their physical needs.
      I've already covered the Keirsey intellects but it you covered those too it would help to spread the word about the underestimated Keirsey. You could say "These Keirsey intellects of Tactical, Logistical, Diplomatic, and Strategic are not functions but they are consistent with functions pairs and shows functions working in action in a socially useful way."
      Each intellect is covered in Please Understand Me 2.

  • @ivanagrace3462
    @ivanagrace3462 5 місяців тому

    As a Ti user, I'm literally need 3 years stressing over philosophy and ethics (I'm 17 now) after the ENTJ old guy taught me a lesson about regrets and youth opportunity..
    Then I realize it why I'm stressing it.. and that just because IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE (I mean, it don't fit to my mind processing and the conclusion of it was not really convince me to accept it.. or, in the other words.. just un-natural) So I give up searching the meaning and accept that life just life.

  • @jankom.7783
    @jankom.7783 4 місяці тому

    Responsibility of Fi is to keep social peace by making sure that nobody abuses/is abused by social rules. Everybody is treated according to the same rules, have same rights and responsibilities. Your personal reputation does not matter, as long as you are judged by your own, provable actions. Fi places responsibility for creating social rules to others (Ti), with Fi then ranking their importance.
    Responsibility of Ti is to make sure that members of his group are not mistreated. Their responsibility is to take right from other groups/people and give it to his own group/himself. Ti places responsibility for enforcing social behavior, gathering objective evidence and consistency of behavior onto others (Fi/Te).
    Example:
    Ti - people have rights to not her murdered
    Ti - people have rights to get wealthy
    Fi - a right to not get murdered is more important then right to get wealthy. Therefore you cannot murder people so you can then take their stuff.
    Basically, Ti creates social rules. Fi give them importance and enforces them. Si gathers desires. Ni makes them happen.

  • @marinebiogeo
    @marinebiogeo 10 місяців тому +2

    I’m not going to lie in saying this, but you’re right. While I have my own belief systems, I will absolutely try to push them on to other people (and am unafraid of doing so) because these are goals that must be accomplished to make the world a better place. For example, the oil and gas industry is harmful to the environment and should be abolished. This is because (1) more species will progressively become extinct over time (some of which are undiscovered), and (2) their practices exacerbate the ongoing effects of global warming. Being complacent is simply not the answer. Politicians and the general public need to understand what the long term implications of their choices are in their professional, and personal lives.
    It’s a shame that our planet is sinking down into the toilet of despair. As a result, I’m working through my graduate studies to try and do my part with implementing the changes that I have mentioned here. I’m crossing my fingers that the little plunger I have will help unclog a piece of the discoveries we are bound to make within the realm of academia, no matter how big or small this piece may be.
    Thankfully, my Mom is an ISTJ, and my Dad is an ESTJ, so our mindsets are similar to a certain degree. While they aren’t as idealistic as I am, we all have the extraverted thinking function in our (a) dominant, or (b) auxiliary positions. That way, we can see things pragmatically (which is why we tend to not understand feeling MBTI types as well). Frankly, their reasoning patterns make absolutely no sense, and as my Mom once said that, overall, “feelings are for the weak.” Honestly, she’s not entirely wrong about that, which is why I’m not in a relationship with a feeler type. 🤷🏻‍♀️
    Occasionally, I have been called an asshole by some people because they think that I can be offensive at times. However, I’m just being honest with them, and I tend to call issues out without sugarcoating them like other MBTI types might do (generally speaking). It’s important to not be passive-aggressive and/or play mind games (aside from Sudoku and the like), and just communicate exactly what you want to say directly to that person. You don’t even have to hurt them to make this happen! I just wish that other folks could appreciate my stance on this issue as much as I do.
    Sincerely,
    An INTJ

  • @Pyeonkk31
    @Pyeonkk31 Місяць тому

    Not sure if you will see this and able to answer me... i just wondered why and how i were tested with both highest Ti and Fi at the same time, I mean I thought there were so different. Anybody can explain this please? 😂

  • @itaintova8309
    @itaintova8309 Рік тому +1

    As an Fi dom, this is where my imagination goes when I suspect a hint of betrayal by someone I trust: ua-cam.com/video/J6l5-Rup-D4/v-deo.html 😂

  • @ToePhangcho
    @ToePhangcho 6 місяців тому

    Can Fi be highly toxic, insensitive and care less about moral ethics?

  • @501Labsmusic
    @501Labsmusic Рік тому +1

    Being objective and unbiased is biased toward Ti- INTP 5W4 👽