I was sure it was going to be, looked almost exactly like him in the first clip. The chin, mustache, eyes, hair. You could see that it wasn't him in the interview part
When I have intense anxiety, I feel everyone is attacking me. It's shitty when you are out in public because then I figure you are red light for bullies. Thankfully most people are either busy or well-intended.
So what I'm getting is Fi - "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I FEEL. NO ONE DOES. I'M ALONE AND ANGSTY AAAGH." Then that would mean : Ti : "NO ONE IN THIS WORLD UNDERSTANDS. I FOUND THE SECRET OF THE UNIVERSE. NO, KAREN, YOU DON'T GET IT."
Lead Ti here...yeah, that's pretty much spot on. In some areas of knowledge I'd say that half-jokingly but in others it's completely serious and sort of uncomfortable. The self-important part of me says that this is how we get new knowledge and insights - science! Progress! But it definitely also has the potential to give you a lot of weird ideas. Like the meme of the crazy conspiracy guy with the diagram with all the strings connecting things. And I'm sure it comes off as arrogant sometimes too.
Emotionally repressed ENTJ so I met this man and our eyes literally locked. Who knew that was a real thing. I Googled "funny feeling in stomach" I thought, silent panic attack, Google said attraction.
I'm an ENFJ and I can read everyone else's emotions better and I know exactly what you are talking about. I had to use a little Ni there to figure it out :P
@@Darren_S I’m confused? I never said I would do it. Although maybe my Fi would also blind me in a situation like that so who am I to judge. Although I can’t even imagine doing that with an SO on camera it’s too embarrassing 😅
I have Fi at the top and if you dont, you can never imagine how intense it gets. That’s why we have to consume or create art. We have to outsource our feelings so we don’t explode.
I’m an ENFP Consume Sleep, so both of my Savior animals use Fi... and still, I can’t entirely imagine the spectrum of intense emotions that is living as an Fi dom.
"for the Fi, the more intense the emotions are, the more you think the outside world can't see it" Lol, anyone who's dated an IxFP will see this. They will be curled up in a ball on the verge of crying for hours and if you ask them what's wrong, they say "nothing". If you tell them it's really obvious something is wrong, they insist it's not. You really hit the nail on the head with that one.
@1:16-1:20. Lol, when the lady was struggling to put their musical connection into words and give reasons, the dude said it'll probably cheapen it to put it in words, just complete disrespect for "ST"
Had my own version of this with a guy I used to be friends with. Our entire friend group kept telling us we both looked and behaved like a couple, and I kept making faces to them and going “you’re nuts, no we don’t” ...low and behold, we ended up dating 😂
Brilliant band! So sad when they broke up. I honestly think Fi is like a superpower in art and music. Those without it will never quite have that same ability to evoke extreme emotions, whether deep and dark or bright and flighty. Thank you so much for talking about The Civil Wars it’s a rare treat!
@@Mistical1982 Yes but not nearly to the same degree. I don’t have the Se Michael Jordan has. I don’t have the Ti Einstein had. Not even a little bit close. It’s the same with Fi. Few have the Fi of John Paul White, which is why his music is so unusually stirring.
@@theshimmerglimmers105 No, of course not. That was just in response to you saying “those without it”. I believe Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd was an Fi dom, and his music was insanely emotive (with the aid of some drugs too, I guess!). I’m Ni dom, and I don’t think those who aren’t can imagine how that feels.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I'm an INFP, and I always say that Japanese music is the best music because it has this special, deep quality to it. Maybe it's Fi? Glad to know someone feels the same way. Utada Hikaru is one of my favs btw, and I think she's an INFP ^^.
Ok but I think it's not necessarily that Fi believes they can hide so much as that Fe doesn't properly interpret its complexities, its vicissitudes. Fe jumps straight to what they believe is the wholesale conclusion, the ultimate takeaway. It's the same relationship as Ti has to Te. Di calculates a great accumulation of factors. De just wants reliable quick answers and simple canned solutions.
@@Darren_S well i wouldn't say overvalue : they make varius videos mocking De by basically saying " take a stance dumbass " or " answer their question ' what do you want ?' "
I don't think they think Fi hides, just that what's complex to Fi and Ti, aren't given the same value of complexity to Te and Fe. I'd like to think it's mostly due to an objective vs subjective perspective. I think most introverted functions hold meaning to the person in question more, while most extroverted decision making functions are treated the opposite.
I think with the Fi it is more that like we know how you might perceive and view our feelings but we don't worry about it because even if you assume something, you can't know that you are right without us approving the truth. even if a person was going out telling what they think they know, the Fi would be like: sure tell whatever you want but I will say it is not true so what you say doesn't matter. I hope what I wrote is not too confusing. well, it is kind of obvious but I wanted to put it into words.
Purely assumptions but 'truth' as an fi dominant would see it as... if its not set in stone (ie spoken), i can still conceal it. Whatever impression or identity i wish to give off, ill do it with selecting the right kind of language, tone of voice, body language to express it, normally this process is linked automatically to their feeling at that point of time. I would imagine an Fe user would be able to emulate it accordingly to the situation better with more flexibility
But it's a performance though. They're feeling the emotions of a "character" personally if that makes sense. The execution isn't odd though. They don't seem to be connected with each other but more like Feeling intensely the song, especially the women. I what Fi does really well is to appropriate someone's feeling. That's why Fi dom are such intense actor. They literally become their character (Johnny Depp and Robert Pattinson are great INFP exemple)
It's not that we think we can't be seen but rather we're so internally wrapped up to the point we can't even think of that perspective. We don't think anything if we have that much emotion.
as an ISFP, Fi at the top is a ticking time bomb that, if it were to explode, would leave people either emotionally or physically hurt. That’s why I need to let off pressure by doing things because the emotions get so intense that I need to let it off on SOMETHING because I almost *need* to affect something in some way. If you have no outlet, you feel like you’re going insane.
This entire video called me out. Often when I’m in a depressed mood or something I think that no one else knows how I’m feeling, but so many times my mom will yell me that I show all my emotions on my face when I think I’m not lol
I am incapable of hiding my feelings. And what fucks me up is everyone expects me to hide my feelings to avoid disturbing the tribe’s flow. But I cannot control what my face is doing, I have tried. It is so intense, so overwhelming. I cannot cope with my emotions, they’re too much. The best I can do is flee into an unoccupied room and scream it out. The worst is that, I’m usually sound in my decisions. I’m smart and I’m a good thinker. But my feelings, they’re like a toddler throwing a tantrum in my brain, they drown out everything and I can’t hear myself anymore, I’m drowning or I’m fighting off a swarm of bees and my reasoning is completely incapacitated. Worst of all is I can be completely cognisant of how stupid my emotional reaction is. I can know it’s not true and it’s not as bad as I feel it is, but the feelings still come and I can’t deal with them.
Yeah I used to get in trouble for being "too emotional" and "crying too easily", but I literally couldn't help it! I tried my hardest not to cry, to hold back the tears, but it's just not possible. My body will *make* me cry. Also, I feel sadness as real, physical pain. Is that just me (INFP) or is that an Fi dom thing? Or does everyone feel like that?
I'm like a little kid whenever I deal with people at work. I used to be more mature when I actually was a kid! But luckily, my ISTJ supervisor is cool and thinks I'm funny.
hahahahaha this was so interesting!! im Fi and my enfj friend is getting exhausted trying to "convince" me i'm into this person i've been talking to for years.... im always just like: no im not!!! mind your business!!! edit: omg the video at the end 😂😂😂😂
Your ENFJ has something valuable to offer. This life, and the time spent isn't worth wasting! :D Talked for years, it might be time to.. get something wonderful going, or drop it and focus your conscious attention what makes you happy!
Fi sounds like the ostrich bird that sticks its head in a hole and thinks no one sees it. From watching it with Fe it looks like that is the case too. It's like they think they are silently communicating with others and no one else can see it. The more intense the feelings are the less they think they are being seen, but it's exactly the opposite. Body language and tone account for a whopping 90% of human communications, and 10% for the actual words you say; which is still pretty much when dealing with something as complex as humans, but it's not 90%. It's 9 times less.
This makes so much sense. I’ve been typing the fictional character Corey Matthews from Boy Meets World and he’s definitely Fi dominant. Many episodes involve Corey not seeing the big picture and have one or more characters (often his Fe girlfriend) talking about the situation at hand before he takes action. They have a great dynamic as an INFP/ENFJ couple.
@@tnic3255 I’m not sure yet. We are watching the original series then moving on to it. If the writers did their job, their traits should carry over though at their age, they should be more aware of their demon functions.
I'm wondering in what sense do you mean "not seeing the big picture?" (I don't remember anything about that show, and don't think I actually watched it, so I have no context) I usually think of "failing to see the big picture" as a problem with lacking Ni, like the way an ESTJ "cannot see the forest for the trees" and misses the point, or gets lost in the details and loses sight of what's most relevant or determinant in the grand scheme of things. I really don't see INFPs as missing the big picture, but then again you might mean something different from how I interpret it.
@@AntoineLavoisier I watched it with my daughter a few years ago, and I would definitely say he still comes across as INFP. She is definitely E__J and I could see that, but would have to go back and look again to be sure. Nice job here, I always liked those 2 characters themselves and them as a couple! The daughter has to be an NF as well. Maybe ENFP or ENFJ.
@@heatherbryant4197 that might be the wrong word to explain his character. Here’s an example of what I mean. In one episode, Corey is making a documentary about Eric, Shawn and Jack who just moved in together. Half-Brothers Shawn and Jack don’t have a good relationship at this point for a reason explained in the episode. This is causing Shawn a lot of emotional stress (I think he’s demon F, possibly Fe) and Corey is oblivious to it. He’s sitting behind his camera determined to be a non-participant for the sake of his art. His Fi passion is not seeing the bigger situation. It’s Fe Tapanga who has to explain to Corey how Shawn is feeling and that he needs support. It’s a great ending. Some of the things Corey does drives me crazy but then again I’m Fe dom.
Is it just me or i didn't get the Ben afleck and henry cavill video at the end. Well the thing with "Fi" is you gotta balance it with "Te", even as an infp, eventually you are going to get tired of making decisions based on self-interest, and self-motivation, I tell you when you start making decisions based on outward impact, necessity and worth, you'll feel liberated. The delusion with " Fi" is "something only has worth if I care about it", and that's not the case, worth is defined by the outward effect it has, it isn't subjective.
I agree except for the last part, because extrinsic worth and intrinsic worth are both legitimate, it just has to be balanced out the way a double decider would do
@@jerlinej3516 yeah, was initially gonna say that, but what makes up your identity is outside influence, your identity can be anything, your identity is built, it can be broken down and rebuilt, so your identity has to be dynamic, you don't know the extent of what is good/true/correct. That's what double deciders do so well, they don't go all in on their ego, because they know there is something new or an update reality can throw at them, in which they'll have to incorporate into their identity, that may mean they have to break down what they have already built and correct it or add to it.
I think you underestimate how deeply fe users feel. I’m an infj and feel bottom of the barrel extreme emotions unfortunately I’m very aware of myself and how I’m perceived so it’s difficult when unpretty emotions rear their ugly head (the pain of a deeply inappropriate crush, the the person who bullied you as a kid married a billionaire, your cat dieing and being unable to control the emotions of wailing sadness thru class etc) we learn to stuff it and retain a pretty face thru the shame we feel, but it’s very difficult. I try and maintain control but the feelings only intensify internally that’s why many of us fe users you can hear the emotions in our voice and we are also good at spotting emotions in others because we understand them within ourselves. I do read my fi friends and assumed they could read me too and without any ego around it. I just called out my infp father on his crush and I think it was shocking for him, it flew out of my mouth as many fe things sometimes do (mom died years ago btw) but there was no judgement only acknowledging it and I may have made a cute little joke around it but there is never any judgement around it
INFP random thought: When Fi dominate people raise dogs to their dogs turn out with a more human-like range of emotional expressions due to the dog's mirror neurons picking up on the owner's over grown Fi?
I think this might be true!!! my dog is unusually emotionally intelligent and sensitive to my own needs and emotions. pretty amazing. he knows how i feel all the time.
Tbh I feel like when they said us Fe's can't can't experience love as intensely, was way wrong. I'm an INTP and I've only been in love like twice and I would say that it's so intense that it was equal to if not more intense then anyone I know with Fi
IMO it's not a question of *depth* so much as maybe *complexity*...or something along those lines. The Fi users have the patience for reflecting and sort of stewing on one emotion in order to get a weird and complex feeling that can seem contradictory or dumb to an Fe user (at least, that's my personal experience as a lead Ti). I get a very strong emotional reaction to some things (moreso when I was younger), but it's pretty...unified, it's like a giant blast of one emotion that sweeps through me. It's very...loud. Metaphorically. And it's pretty easy for me to understand. Just like how Te often doesn't have the patience to go super deep into logical systems in the way that Ti can in order to create complex systems.
When I was a little kid I used to worry that people could read my mind. I have a lead Fe family member with schizophrenia who buys into that very delusion. 😅🤔
I think it might be due to the consume first: (fear of controlled by them). Blast last (don’t communicate, so I fear that others will have to force me to unconsciously communicate) Demon NF: Telepathy is a form of pseudoscience. I know that in the ESxP ghost video, Dave explains that the intuition manifests itself in the sensory.
@Jaction Interesting! I'm pretty sure I'm Ti/Ne. I'm certain I'm Blast-last, lead Consume. As for the other animals, it could go either way, but I think most likely CP/S(B). I'm pretty sure my Si is masculine. I used to think my Fe was masculine too, but others have told me that my Fe seems feminine, so the jury's still out on that one. You might be onto something with the idea that it could be related to both the dynamic between Ti & Fe and Blast-last.
it's called the ontological struggle and existential writers have talked about it extensively. Fi doesn't make you blind to it, i think the philosophers who write about it were mostly Fi dominant, and that is how they were able to spot it and analyze it in the first place.
This makes me think that Ben has dumped Matt Damon for Big Henry. At least Big Henry is a Warhammer 40k player. What a total weapon. Nice step up Benny.
I have no idea what. Something happened. I just don’t know what. Fi is at home in the creative arts. Cringy I suppose, but I cannot see it. So I will take others’ word.
As for the first clip, the attraction doesn't have to be sexual or romantic though. It could be just platonic. I've had many connections like that, where you just get each other on a deeper level, completely understand each other, and enjoy spending time together, but there was no sexual or romantic attraction and I had no desire to be in a relationship with that person.
At 5:10 Dave said that his Si is tied to his control. I believe he misspoke. He should have said his Ni is tied to his control. But he's demon Se so we expect him to screw up details sometimes. Watch out for that tidal wave bro!
He wasn't talking about himself, he was actually giving an example of some one who might have Si and how that person would be behaving or thinking. That "My" was not literal😅
I feel like/pretty sure i know that I’m high in Fe and Ti (INFJ, though i wish i was INFP) and I laughed so hard. I feel like it’ll be seen as mean but it’s just so funny. Also the “your idea is stupid” “we checked all of them and its stupid” I feel so called out for...
INFP seem so much harder than INFJ, because at least INFJ have Ni Ti that they can work on and do something with. Lead feeling, especially Fi is just "where's the solution"?
@Lonely Survivor I mean...how can you rationally understand something that is not based on rationality? We shouldn't say 'Fi', rather we should say 'subjective reasoning'. My point is that when trying to understand an 'Fi user', you can't apply Ti reasons, Fi is trying to have its cake and eat it too. Like a cat, Fi does what it wants. Not trying to say you are a bad person.
@Lonely Survivor Te is interfacing with other people in order to collaborate in an extroverted fashion, Ti is inherently focused on objective facts, Te is building off of Ti, but both are inherently objective--they must be. Fi is considering your own priorities and making decisions based on what you want.
@Lonely Survivor I mean it's tempting to call Fe irrational because it looks dumb a lot of the time...but the ability to have the energy and desire to socialize for long periods of time and build rapport with others really should count as a form of intelligence, even if Fe is ultimately sort of shallow. Whereas you might call Fi a deep and emotional intelligence, Fe is social intelligence and it really does get people places. And anyone who is Fe dominant or at least has strong Fe will have some balancing Ti.
So now I am wondering if I married an ESTJ, because then I really am able to hide my emotions from him, even if everyone else can see it. 🤣 Funny, not funny. 🤦🏼♀️ 😭 ~ INFP
"Just like the Ti's where it's like 'hey dude your idea is a dumb idea. We've just checked 50 other ideas and yours is just at the bottom of the spectrum." "I feel like the Ti's, just, at least you locked on to 'I'm gonna build a stupid tool thing' " Hey look it's the exact mistake I made when I finished my education as software engineer and then wasted 3 years trying to build the world's best game engine because I genuinely thought I could do it.
"I can't see you therefore you must not be able to see me" Does that work in reverse for the extroverted functions? I have demon Fi and I feel like I'm a mess internally but I think how I come across is very competent, that's the Te diagnosing problems well. So I think because I can see it (my feminine Fi) surely other people can? Anyone else experience that?
I could do it. Just calm down. Just because someone makes you horny and you are in love with your brain or whatever, it doesn't mean you should get married. Did you ever even live life? You could ask the INTJ I fell in love with at 18 who didn't want to start a relationship in the military during training still. I thought he just hated me, but I am a stupid who only realized 20 years after he broke my heart and made me want to die. My Fi is never wrong. Good call on the Ti though. I accidentally married an ISTP. ESTP first though. That one was quite fun! Anyway, I found out the other day he's a professor at UPenn now. My kid might get a full ride scholarship there!! He's a finalist! What if we accidentally meet one day and his happy marriage I saw 10 years ago where he has twins was all a huge mistake on his part? It could happen. -ENFP
This is why I can’t relate to some things my INTJ sister says or can relate to. Just going all in on one side of the chemical spectrum. It’s like ahhh yeahhh….mkay… Fe’s can love and fall in love obviously but love is something we give out for free all the time, anyway. Experiencing emotions internally isn’t a weird, strong, or special feeling. Eventually those emotions are going to come out (or extrovert) anyway. With emotions, it just is what it is. No biggie at all. But our logic? That’s a whole other convo. Lololol.
At 5:10 he said that Si is tied to his control. I believe he misspoke. He should have said his Ni is tied to his control. But he's demon Se so we expect him to screw up details sometimes.
Okay, am I the only one who doesn't think that that level of intimacy necessarily translates into "love" or should have anything to do with how they are married to different people? I just think people confuse intimacy with love. Maybe it's coming from thinking too much about it. I'm in an open relationship and do get intimate with different people, and as an INFP, I have put in a great deal of overthinking into this. I just feel those two singers being intimate is just them being intimate. Got nothing to do with love. It's just an artistic concept. 🤷🏻♂️ Please tell me there's someone else who thinks the same
I disagree somewhat but in accordance with what Dave and Shan says it makes sense that you would be blind to it. For me as an ISTP with demon Fe interacting with a savior Fi can be scary. What I'm seeing is a hot burning chemical, but not physical, romance that burnt out. That's what Dave and Shan are talking about at 4:30 when their Fe friend said that their relationship had already ended. I suspect that the only reason Dave and Shan lasted beyond the initial chemical flameout is they built their relationship on something stronger than their feelings of love. However I do agree that intimacy can be separated from love. We see no evidence in this video that the two singers were intimate beyond singing. But they definitely had a very strong chemical love for a time. But it burnt out and the band broke up. By the same token you might be putting up emotional barriers between you and your lovers thus you have intimacy without love while the singers had love without intimacy. So yes they can be separated. The question is if that is a good idea.
@@LikeToWatch77 I thought the Fe friend said that they would marry/be together for a long time, because of how they acted in the beginning, which they couldn't see.
@@LikeToWatch77 I'm not saying that they don't have chemistry. Yeah, sure, in that moment there might be chemicals, but I've found Fi users indulge in those chemicals in a very very platonic manner. Sure, those chemicals can be interpreted as ohh there's sparks flying, but that's just ONE of many possibilities of what's happening. It's just fun to feel that extremity. It's like putting four screws on a switchboard even though just two of them could have done the job. The feeling of seeing all the sockets complete is satisfying. Similarly, people can be comfortable with just very basic amount of intimacy, that's socially acceptable. But, doing something that's going to raise eyebrows is just more fulfilling. It's like when you're told you can't eat something, you want to eat it more, but with emotions, or chemicals. PS: sorry for the analogy overdose XD
I thought it was Johnny Depp for a second
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME
ASSKDJHFJK YOU'RE NOT ALONE-
same
Also INFP. No surprise. ;)
I was sure it was going to be, looked almost exactly like him in the first clip. The chin, mustache, eyes, hair.
You could see that it wasn't him in the interview part
"for the Fi, the more intense the emotions are, the more you think the outside world can't see it"
I feel so attacked right now oh my god
SAME 😅
When I have intense anxiety, I feel everyone is attacking me. It's shitty when you are out in public because then I figure you are red light for bullies. Thankfully most people are either busy or well-intended.
right? How rude. I am living in the denial of what I want the world to be and that is my right, dammit
I wonder if this applies to Te doms
So what I'm getting is
Fi - "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I FEEL. NO ONE DOES. I'M ALONE AND ANGSTY AAAGH."
Then that would mean :
Ti : "NO ONE IN THIS WORLD UNDERSTANDS. I FOUND THE SECRET OF THE UNIVERSE. NO, KAREN, YOU DON'T GET IT."
Exactly. And the secret is Se & Ni - lead Ti ;)
Lead Ti here...yeah, that's pretty much spot on. In some areas of knowledge I'd say that half-jokingly but in others it's completely serious and sort of uncomfortable.
The self-important part of me says that this is how we get new knowledge and insights - science! Progress! But it definitely also has the potential to give you a lot of weird ideas. Like the meme of the crazy conspiracy guy with the diagram with all the strings connecting things. And I'm sure it comes off as arrogant sometimes too.
Why are you attacking me like this?
Lmao
Soooo accurate 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Inferior Ti!
Emotionally repressed ENTJ so I met this man and our eyes literally locked. Who knew that was a real thing. I Googled "funny feeling in stomach" I thought, silent panic attack, Google said attraction.
I'm an ENFJ and I can read everyone else's emotions better and I know exactly what you are talking about. I had to use a little Ni there to figure it out :P
That’s genuinely hilarious.
I’m an INFP and knowing that they are married to other people and acting like that made me recoil in horror lol... and I agree, Fi is so intense
So as an INFP you recoil in horror but you would do it?
Lol yeah the first line got me so triggered.
@@Darren_S I’m confused? I never said I would do it. Although maybe my Fi would also blind me in a situation like that so who am I to judge. Although I can’t even imagine doing that with an SO on camera it’s too embarrassing 😅
@@introvertedinfp You are saying that you recoil in horror at something like this but also that you might be capable of doing it.
@@Darren_S Not likely, no. I like to think I’m more self aware than that lol
That dude does look like Fi if if manifested itself in human form
😂 I can't unsee that now.
I have Fi at the top and if you dont, you can never imagine how intense it gets. That’s why we have to consume or create art. We have to outsource our feelings so we don’t explode.
Other types use it. So they can experience that intensity. It’s just that you experience it more because it’s dominant.
I’m an ENFP Consume Sleep, so both of my Savior animals use Fi... and still, I can’t entirely imagine the spectrum of intense emotions that is living as an Fi dom.
Well Said
That's tough. I don't have much Fi so I have no clue what that's like - INFJ
"for the Fi, the more intense the emotions are, the more you think the outside world can't see it"
Lol, anyone who's dated an IxFP will see this. They will be curled up in a ball on the verge of crying for hours and if you ask them what's wrong, they say "nothing". If you tell them it's really obvious something is wrong, they insist it's not. You really hit the nail on the head with that one.
And this is why my ENTP girlfriend is the one doing the drugs. -INTJ
@1:16-1:20. Lol, when the lady was struggling to put their musical connection into words and give reasons, the dude said it'll probably cheapen it to put it in words, just complete disrespect for "ST"
Fi leading here.. I feel feelings so strong that I was actually thinking my eyes/ my face would give me away.
Had my own version of this with a guy I used to be friends with. Our entire friend group kept telling us we both looked and behaved like a couple, and I kept making faces to them and going “you’re nuts, no we don’t” ...low and behold, we ended up dating 😂
Brilliant band! So sad when they broke up. I honestly think Fi is like a superpower in art and music. Those without it will never quite have that same ability to evoke extreme emotions, whether deep and dark or bright and flighty. Thank you so much for talking about The Civil Wars it’s a rare treat!
Everyone has it!
@@Mistical1982 Yes but not nearly to the same degree. I don’t have the Se Michael Jordan has. I don’t have the Ti Einstein had. Not even a little bit close. It’s the same with Fi. Few have the Fi of John Paul White, which is why his music is so unusually stirring.
@@theshimmerglimmers105 No, of course not. That was just in response to you saying “those without it”. I believe Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd was an Fi dom, and his music was insanely emotive (with the aid of some drugs too, I guess!). I’m Ni dom, and I don’t think those who aren’t can imagine how that feels.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I'm an INFP, and I always say that Japanese music is the best music because it has this special, deep quality to it. Maybe it's Fi? Glad to know someone feels the same way. Utada Hikaru is one of my favs btw, and I think she's an INFP ^^.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Idk anything about Civils Wars haha.
Ok but I think it's not necessarily that Fi believes they can hide so much as that Fe doesn't properly interpret its complexities, its vicissitudes. Fe jumps straight to what they believe is the wholesale conclusion, the ultimate takeaway. It's the same relationship as Ti has to Te. Di calculates a great accumulation of factors. De just wants reliable quick answers and simple canned solutions.
Totally agree
That's the problem with OPS. It over values De because the founders are Te dominant.
@@Darren_S well i wouldn't say overvalue : they make varius videos mocking De by basically saying " take a stance dumbass " or " answer their question ' what do you want ?' "
I don't think they think Fi hides, just that what's complex to Fi and Ti, aren't given the same value of complexity to Te and Fe. I'd like to think it's mostly due to an objective vs subjective perspective. I think most introverted functions hold meaning to the person in question more, while most extroverted decision making functions are treated the opposite.
Darren Siebrits Dave is Fi Savior not Te.
I think with the Fi it is more that like we know how you might perceive and view our feelings but we don't worry about it because even if you assume something, you can't know that you are right without us approving the truth. even if a person was going out telling what they think they know, the Fi would be like: sure tell whatever you want but I will say it is not true so what you say doesn't matter. I hope what I wrote is not too confusing. well, it is kind of obvious but I wanted to put it into words.
Cannot relate - INTP. How can you just not care? If someone says something that isn’t true about me it can really annoy me.
What a crap, I never understand Fi dominant - INTP
This Is What Makes Fi Users Appear Fake..Or Rather Delusional 🚶🏾 Too Transparent For Pulling That Nonsense
@@prayerblack I couldn't put my finger on the fakeness I get sometimes from them but that's got to be it.
Purely assumptions but 'truth' as an fi dominant would see it as... if its not set in stone (ie spoken), i can still conceal it. Whatever impression or identity i wish to give off, ill do it with selecting the right kind of language, tone of voice, body language to express it, normally this process is linked automatically to their feeling at that point of time. I would imagine an Fe user would be able to emulate it accordingly to the situation better with more flexibility
But it's a performance though. They're feeling the emotions of a "character" personally if that makes sense.
The execution isn't odd though. They don't seem to be connected with each other but more like Feeling intensely the song, especially the women.
I what Fi does really well is to appropriate someone's feeling. That's why Fi dom are such intense actor. They literally become their character (Johnny Depp and Robert Pattinson are great INFP exemple)
I have seen this synergy between friends of noncompatible sexual orientations before. There is more than one type of love.
Yeah, it do be like that.
**sad yeehaw** 😔
It is yep
Thanks Bobby Rob
Now it makes sense why that love land,scared the hell out of me-infp
Fe users after watching this be like 👀👀👀👀👀👀
"Wow" Right
Yea especially we Fe inferiors... im just like whaaa 👀👀👀🤷🏿♀️🥴
It's not that we think we can't be seen but rather we're so internally wrapped up to the point we can't even think of that perspective. We don't think anything if we have that much emotion.
as an ISFP, Fi at the top is a ticking time bomb that, if it were to explode, would leave people either emotionally or physically hurt. That’s why I need to let off pressure by doing things because the emotions get so intense that I need to let it off on SOMETHING because I almost *need* to affect something in some way. If you have no outlet, you feel like you’re going insane.
fi: hidden in open space
and
fe: open in hidden space
I haven't watched in a while but Shan's Fi seemed super strong and I love it! Take that bastard of a function and make it work for you
This entire video called me out. Often when I’m in a depressed mood or something I think that no one else knows how I’m feeling, but so many times my mom will yell me that I show all my emotions on my face when I think I’m not lol
3:49 Shannon has got some pipes
pipes?
@@Magani79 she's got a good voice
Dont rOaST Civil wars 😭😭
I love civil wars
Yeah I'm an ENFP with feminine Fi
Dont iNsUlT mY bABy 😂😭
What’s with the random Benry montage at the end? 🧐
Totally resonate with both those points about Fi.
I am incapable of hiding my feelings. And what fucks me up is everyone expects me to hide my feelings to avoid disturbing the tribe’s flow.
But I cannot control what my face is doing, I have tried. It is so intense, so overwhelming. I cannot cope with my emotions, they’re too much. The best I can do is flee into an unoccupied room and scream it out.
The worst is that, I’m usually sound in my decisions. I’m smart and I’m a good thinker. But my feelings, they’re like a toddler throwing a tantrum in my brain, they drown out everything and I can’t hear myself anymore, I’m drowning or I’m fighting off a swarm of bees and my reasoning is completely incapacitated.
Worst of all is I can be completely cognisant of how stupid my emotional reaction is. I can know it’s not true and it’s not as bad as I feel it is, but the feelings still come and I can’t deal with them.
Yeah non Fi doms will never understand. Especially emotionless thinkers.
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Thinkers aren’t emotionless
Yeah I used to get in trouble for being "too emotional" and "crying too easily", but I literally couldn't help it! I tried my hardest not to cry, to hold back the tears, but it's just not possible. My body will *make* me cry. Also, I feel sadness as real, physical pain. Is that just me (INFP) or is that an Fi dom thing? Or does everyone feel like that?
I'm like a little kid whenever I deal with people at work. I used to be more mature when I actually was a kid! But luckily, my ISTJ supervisor is cool and thinks I'm funny.
This channel is simply awesome. keep up guys! 🔥🔥. From my opinion the best MBTI youtube channel, everything on spot.
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hahahahaha this was so interesting!! im Fi and my enfj friend is getting exhausted trying to "convince" me i'm into this person i've been talking to for years.... im always just like: no im not!!! mind your business!!!
edit: omg the video at the end 😂😂😂😂
Your ENFJ has something valuable to offer. This life, and the time spent isn't worth wasting! :D Talked for years, it might be time to.. get something wonderful going, or drop it and focus your conscious attention what makes you happy!
Definitely had a similar experience with my friends too lol
Fi sounds like the ostrich bird that sticks its head in a hole and thinks no one sees it. From watching it with Fe it looks like that is the case too. It's like they think they are silently communicating with others and no one else can see it. The more intense the feelings are the less they think they are being seen, but it's exactly the opposite. Body language and tone account for a whopping 90% of human communications, and 10% for the actual words you say; which is still pretty much when dealing with something as complex as humans, but it's not 90%. It's 9 times less.
I never felt this called out in this video than any other. Must do what it takes to protect my Fi from even the neutrinos.
I am ISTP . I watch this channel to understand the patterns of Fe
This is the most ISTP comment I've ever seen
@@PayAttentionToThePatterns Hahah. I totally am the same as @manoj, though didn't realise it's such an ISTP thing to say until reading your comment
@@PayAttentionToThePatterns lmao
What Ben is cheating on Matt Damon with Henry? Nooooooo!!!
Me as an INFP I prove this to be true. Shout out to all my fellow INFPs
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oh no, im missing something.
what's with the 🤔🤔's ?
y'all freaking me out
@@iada9166
HAHA! Clemens you troll! 🤣 🤣 🤣
This makes so much sense. I’ve been typing the fictional character Corey Matthews from Boy Meets World and he’s definitely Fi dominant. Many episodes involve Corey not seeing the big picture and have one or more characters (often his Fe girlfriend) talking about the situation at hand before he takes action. They have a great dynamic as an INFP/ENFJ couple.
Do you think the type carried into Girl Meets World where they were the parents? I could see it, for sure -- INFP and ENFJ
@@tnic3255 I’m not sure yet. We are watching the original series then moving on to it. If the writers did their job, their traits should carry over though at their age, they should be more aware of their demon functions.
I'm wondering in what sense do you mean "not seeing the big picture?" (I don't remember anything about that show, and don't think I actually watched it, so I have no context) I usually think of "failing to see the big picture" as a problem with lacking Ni, like the way an ESTJ "cannot see the forest for the trees" and misses the point, or gets lost in the details and loses sight of what's most relevant or determinant in the grand scheme of things. I really don't see INFPs as missing the big picture, but then again you might mean something different from how I interpret it.
@@AntoineLavoisier I watched it with my daughter a few years ago, and I would definitely say he still comes across as INFP. She is definitely E__J and I could see that, but would have to go back and look again to be sure. Nice job here, I always liked those 2 characters themselves and them as a couple! The daughter has to be an NF as well. Maybe ENFP or ENFJ.
@@heatherbryant4197 that might be the wrong word to explain his character. Here’s an example of what I mean. In one episode, Corey is making a documentary about Eric, Shawn and Jack who just moved in together. Half-Brothers Shawn and Jack don’t have a good relationship at this point for a reason explained in the episode. This is causing Shawn a lot of emotional stress (I think he’s demon F, possibly Fe) and Corey is oblivious to it. He’s sitting behind his camera determined to be a non-participant for the sake of his art. His Fi passion is not seeing the bigger situation. It’s Fe Tapanga who has to explain to Corey how Shawn is feeling and that he needs support. It’s a great ending. Some of the things Corey does drives me crazy but then again I’m Fe dom.
I do not understand this type of music, haha. Makes sense that it's coming from Fi
Is it just me or i didn't get the Ben afleck and henry cavill video at the end. Well the thing with "Fi" is you gotta balance it with "Te", even as an infp, eventually you are going to get tired of making decisions based on self-interest, and self-motivation, I tell you when you start making decisions based on outward impact, necessity and worth, you'll feel liberated. The delusion with " Fi" is "something only has worth if I care about it", and that's not the case, worth is defined by the outward effect it has, it isn't subjective.
I agree except for the last part, because extrinsic worth and intrinsic worth are both legitimate, it just has to be balanced out the way a double decider would do
@@jerlinej3516 yeah, was initially gonna say that, but what makes up your identity is outside influence, your identity can be anything, your identity is built, it can be broken down and rebuilt, so your identity has to be dynamic, you don't know the extent of what is good/true/correct. That's what double deciders do so well, they don't go all in on their ego, because they know there is something new or an update reality can throw at them, in which they'll have to incorporate into their identity, that may mean they have to break down what they have already built and correct it or add to it.
I think you underestimate how deeply fe users feel. I’m an infj and feel bottom of the barrel extreme emotions unfortunately I’m very aware of myself and how I’m perceived so it’s difficult when unpretty emotions rear their ugly head (the pain of a deeply inappropriate crush, the the person who bullied you as a kid married a billionaire, your cat dieing and being unable to control the emotions of wailing sadness thru class etc) we learn to stuff it and retain a pretty face thru the shame we feel, but it’s very difficult. I try and maintain control but the feelings only intensify internally that’s why many of us fe users you can hear the emotions in our voice and we are also good at spotting emotions in others because we understand them within ourselves. I do read my fi friends and assumed they could read me too and without any ego around it. I just called out my infp father on his crush and I think it was shocking for him, it flew out of my mouth as many fe things sometimes do (mom died years ago btw) but there was no judgement only acknowledging it and I may have made a cute little joke around it but there is never any judgement around it
INFP random thought:
When Fi dominate people raise dogs to their dogs turn out with a more human-like range of emotional expressions due to the dog's mirror neurons picking up on the owner's over grown Fi?
I think this might be true!!! my dog is unusually emotionally intelligent and sensitive to my own needs and emotions. pretty amazing. he knows how i feel all the time.
Thank you for this. Please do more on Fi.
This song is the most iconic thing ever
Yeahhhhh, there’s no way I’m gonna sit there and watch my wife look into another dudes eyes like that lmao.
Tbh I feel like when they said us Fe's can't can't experience love as intensely, was way wrong. I'm an INTP and I've only been in love like twice and I would say that it's so intense that it was equal to if not more intense then anyone I know with Fi
Also I had an esfp friend se/fi who said she falls in love left and right
I agree. Fe users feel all emotions deeply, including love.
IMO it's not a question of *depth* so much as maybe *complexity*...or something along those lines. The Fi users have the patience for reflecting and sort of stewing on one emotion in order to get a weird and complex feeling that can seem contradictory or dumb to an Fe user (at least, that's my personal experience as a lead Ti). I get a very strong emotional reaction to some things (moreso when I was younger), but it's pretty...unified, it's like a giant blast of one emotion that sweeps through me. It's very...loud. Metaphorically. And it's pretty easy for me to understand.
Just like how Te often doesn't have the patience to go super deep into logical systems in the way that Ti can in order to create complex systems.
@@StanTheWoz Well said. No I’ll never compare Fe to Fi in complexity. I don’t feel THAT deeply about things. Fi is weird to me.
@@therougesage7466 legit quote from my ESFP friend "😭😭😭 I really cared about that guy... you know.... what's his name..." hahahaha - intj
When I was a little kid I used to worry that people could read my mind. I have a lead Fe family member with schizophrenia who buys into that very delusion. 😅🤔
Omg I know exactly what your talking about .
I think that I am FF Ti/Se CS/P(B)
I think it might due to the blast last.
What type are you? Probably something similar to mine
I think it might be due to the consume first: (fear of controlled by them).
Blast last (don’t communicate, so I fear that others will have to force me to unconsciously communicate)
Demon NF: Telepathy is a form of pseudoscience. I know that in the ESxP ghost video, Dave explains that the intuition manifests itself in the sensory.
And again,
It would make sense with lead Ti, because we have an internal, personal and endless inner dialogue in our mind.
@Jaction Interesting! I'm pretty sure I'm Ti/Ne. I'm certain I'm Blast-last, lead Consume. As for the other animals, it could go either way, but I think most likely CP/S(B). I'm pretty sure my Si is masculine. I used to think my Fe was masculine too, but others have told me that my Fe seems feminine, so the jury's still out on that one. You might be onto something with the idea that it could be related to both the dynamic between Ti & Fe and Blast-last.
Thanks for that final clip, guys!
it's called the ontological struggle and existential writers have talked about it extensively. Fi doesn't make you blind to it, i think the philosophers who write about it were mostly Fi dominant, and that is how they were able to spot it and analyze it in the first place.
Care to elaborate further? What do you mean by ontological struggle?
This makes me think that Ben has dumped Matt Damon for Big Henry.
At least Big Henry is a Warhammer 40k player. What a total weapon. Nice step up Benny.
I don't think it's the case of them trying to hide it. They just don't care who sees it.
No one said they were _trying_ to hide it
Hahahahaha this video is so funny because it’s me. I am shock and embarrassed now. 🤣
where should you start when working on savior Fi
I think The Civil Wars - "Barton Hollow" illustrates their relationship much better cuz I didn't understand at the joke at the beginning.
I have no idea what. Something happened. I just don’t know what. Fi is at home in the creative arts. Cringy I suppose, but I cannot see it. So I will take others’ word.
As for the first clip, the attraction doesn't have to be sexual or romantic though. It could be just platonic. I've had many connections like that, where you just get each other on a deeper level, completely understand each other, and enjoy spending time together, but there was no sexual or romantic attraction and I had no desire to be in a relationship with that person.
Fi confuses me, whenever I hear a fi dom speak I go to sleep lol.
At 5:10 Dave said that his Si is tied to his control. I believe he misspoke. He should have said his Ni is tied to his control. But he's demon Se so we expect him to screw up details sometimes. Watch out for that tidal wave bro!
He wasn't talking about himself, he was actually giving an example of some one who might have Si and how that person would be behaving or thinking. That "My" was not literal😅
He has demon si. Se is his inferior onee
Fi on drugs? More like high Fi!
I feel like/pretty sure i know that I’m high in Fe and Ti (INFJ, though i wish i was INFP) and I laughed so hard. I feel like it’ll be seen as mean but it’s just so funny. Also the “your idea is stupid” “we checked all of them and its stupid” I feel so called out for...
INFP seem so much harder than INFJ, because at least INFJ have Ni Ti that they can work on and do something with. Lead feeling, especially Fi is just "where's the solution"?
Can't believe the last 2 minutes were about a bromance 🤷🏿♂️
More videos on drugs 😂. I'm Ti would love to see what you guys have to say about it.
Same!!
The guy looks like John Mayer and Johnny Depp
This is so gross to watch and yet this is so me. Im cringing - INFP
That song, Gloria by Them is pretty cool. Also Devil's Backbone by them.
Never try to understand Fi. Just don't go there. Just wait for them to snap out of it, but bring a snack, it's going to be a while.
@Lonely Survivor I mean...how can you rationally understand something that is not based on rationality? We shouldn't say 'Fi', rather we should say 'subjective reasoning'. My point is that when trying to understand an 'Fi user', you can't apply Ti reasons, Fi is trying to have its cake and eat it too. Like a cat, Fi does what it wants. Not trying to say you are a bad person.
@Lonely Survivor No, Ti is objective reasoning. Fi and Ti are a theoretical set of cognitive polarities.
@Lonely Survivor Te is interfacing with other people in order to collaborate in an extroverted fashion, Ti is inherently focused on objective facts, Te is building off of Ti, but both are inherently objective--they must be. Fi is considering your own priorities and making decisions based on what you want.
@Lonely Survivor I mean it's tempting to call Fe irrational because it looks dumb a lot of the time...but the ability to have the energy and desire to socialize for long periods of time and build rapport with others really should count as a form of intelligence, even if Fe is ultimately sort of shallow. Whereas you might call Fi a deep and emotional intelligence, Fe is social intelligence and it really does get people places. And anyone who is Fe dominant or at least has strong Fe will have some balancing Ti.
These video clips cause me physical pain.
It happens to Fe users all the time.
4:48 that's that NiFe
i couldnt breathe laughing watching her laugh at that OMG =-) =-) =-)
So now I am wondering if I married an ESTJ, because then I really am able to hide my emotions from him, even if everyone else can see it. 🤣 Funny, not funny. 🤦🏼♀️ 😭 ~ INFP
"Just like the Ti's where it's like 'hey dude your idea is a dumb idea. We've just checked 50 other ideas and yours is just at the bottom of the spectrum."
"I feel like the Ti's, just, at least you locked on to 'I'm gonna build a stupid tool thing' "
Hey look it's the exact mistake I made when I finished my education as software engineer and then wasted 3 years trying to build the world's best game engine because I genuinely thought I could do it.
Yeah, I remember seeing that waterfall headed your way
I ship henjamin baffleckson
Fi not checking tribe motivation cuz they cant see it??????
"I can't see you therefore you must not be able to see me"
Does that work in reverse for the extroverted functions? I have demon Fi and I feel like I'm a mess internally but I think how I come across is very competent, that's the Te diagnosing problems well.
So I think because I can see it (my feminine Fi) surely other people can? Anyone else experience that?
My tertiary Fi is a dopamine addict.
I’m great at hiding it. I know I have to cover up the Fi because it’s so strong, so I pretend to hate the person instead. 😂 It always works.
Welp. That first clip was uncomfortable
Wait... Are Ben and Henry together?
lol 😂
Haha this is gold 😂
Fi is cringe. I make myself cringe for sure.
My Fi totally overtook my reality the other day. Climbing up from the ashes today.
Thank you for a really funny video. I watch this to laugh my ass off. Btw, I didn’t know Affleck was gay? Bi?
I could do it. Just calm down. Just because someone makes you horny and you are in love with your brain or whatever, it doesn't mean you should get married. Did you ever even live life? You could ask the INTJ I fell in love with at 18 who didn't want to start a relationship in the military during training still. I thought he just hated me, but I am a stupid who only realized 20 years after he broke my heart and made me want to die. My Fi is never wrong.
Good call on the Ti though. I accidentally married an ISTP. ESTP first though. That one was quite fun!
Anyway, I found out the other day he's a professor at UPenn now. My kid might get a full ride scholarship there!! He's a finalist! What if we accidentally meet one day and his happy marriage I saw 10 years ago where he has twins was all a huge mistake on his part? It could happen.
-ENFP
This is why I can’t relate to some things my INTJ sister says or can relate to. Just going all in on one side of the chemical spectrum. It’s like ahhh yeahhh….mkay…
Fe’s can love and fall in love obviously but love is something we give out for free all the time, anyway. Experiencing emotions internally isn’t a weird, strong, or special feeling. Eventually those emotions are going to come out (or extrovert) anyway. With emotions, it just is what it is. No biggie at all.
But our logic? That’s a whole other convo. Lololol.
What type are you?
I don’t get it? Fi?
I don't blame you because it's nonsense.
I do not get it either but I’m trying
big mood
Get over yourselves and grow up. It’s a performance.
Omg im so embarassed i hope im not like this lol
4:17
Is Dave a ISFP or a INTJ?
Ni/Fi INTJ
@@dilparic2211 ENTJ. Values Te above Ni.
At 5:10 he said that Si is tied to his control. I believe he misspoke. He should have said his Ni is tied to his control. But he's demon Se so we expect him to screw up details sometimes.
@@Darren_S - You are thinking of Shan. Shan is ENTJ and Dave is INTJ jumper.
@@LikeToWatch77 I'm thinking about Dave too. He over values Te at the expense of Ni.
Okay, am I the only one who doesn't think that that level of intimacy necessarily translates into "love" or should have anything to do with how they are married to different people?
I just think people confuse intimacy with love. Maybe it's coming from thinking too much about it. I'm in an open relationship and do get intimate with different people, and as an INFP, I have put in a great deal of overthinking into this.
I just feel those two singers being intimate is just them being intimate. Got nothing to do with love. It's just an artistic concept. 🤷🏻♂️ Please tell me there's someone else who thinks the same
Agree...might be more of an enneagram Sx thing going on there. 🤷🏼♀️
I agree to - INFP
I disagree somewhat but in accordance with what Dave and Shan says it makes sense that you would be blind to it. For me as an ISTP with demon Fe interacting with a savior Fi can be scary. What I'm seeing is a hot burning chemical, but not physical, romance that burnt out. That's what Dave and Shan are talking about at 4:30 when their Fe friend said that their relationship had already ended. I suspect that the only reason Dave and Shan lasted beyond the initial chemical flameout is they built their relationship on something stronger than their feelings of love.
However I do agree that intimacy can be separated from love. We see no evidence in this video that the two singers were intimate beyond singing. But they definitely had a very strong chemical love for a time. But it burnt out and the band broke up. By the same token you might be putting up emotional barriers between you and your lovers thus you have intimacy without love while the singers had love without intimacy. So yes they can be separated. The question is if that is a good idea.
@@LikeToWatch77 I thought the Fe friend said that they would marry/be together for a long time, because of how they acted in the beginning, which they couldn't see.
@@LikeToWatch77 I'm not saying that they don't have chemistry. Yeah, sure, in that moment there might be chemicals, but I've found Fi users indulge in those chemicals in a very very platonic manner. Sure, those chemicals can be interpreted as ohh there's sparks flying, but that's just ONE of many possibilities of what's happening. It's just fun to feel that extremity. It's like putting four screws on a switchboard even though just two of them could have done the job. The feeling of seeing all the sockets complete is satisfying. Similarly, people can be comfortable with just very basic amount of intimacy, that's socially acceptable. But, doing something that's going to raise eyebrows is just more fulfilling. It's like when you're told you can't eat something, you want to eat it more, but with emotions, or chemicals.
PS: sorry for the analogy overdose XD
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INFP and ENFP is such a disaster love story
No?
Could you all type Taylor Swift?
She is FM FiSe
@@SaadetOZTRK why thanks you!
Eww
I hate the laughs.
Meh