Where Are The Hearts-Clones?

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  • @ethanwinnegrad3402
    @ethanwinnegrad3402 Місяць тому +47

    Two things make Kingdom Hearts unique: disneys IP, and namoura’s very particular style of storytelling. Neither of those things are really possibly to duplicate.

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  Місяць тому +8

      I disagree. The command menu system and control scheme are by far the most unique. There are plenty of games that utilize Disney properties, some better than others such as the Illusion series and Epic Mickey, and Nomura's story of Light vs Darkness isn't particularly new if not a tad cliche by modern standards.

    • @77wolfblade
      @77wolfblade 29 днів тому +2

      namoura's Isn't exactly the best writing out there though?

    • @NYSportsfan4
      @NYSportsfan4 29 днів тому +1

      @@Cocytus995both are square E property which were originally established in simplified forms in the FF series, it's hard to copy a SE-Disney without a similar company to both than requiring both to agree. They had to go through hoops to get KH in the first place.

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  29 днів тому

      @@NYSportsfan4 Both SEGA and Nintendo have enough properties to pull off a KH-clone without needing to collab with somebody. Even then, you don't really need to collab in order to make such a game. All you really need is an Action RPG that utilizes the command menu system.

    • @LOWRAKS
      @LOWRAKS 28 днів тому +3

      @@Cocytus995 dismissing the story-telling of KH as just "light vs dark" is a massive disservice. KH is known to have a very complex story that often answers 1 question only to leave you with 5 more.

  • @shadkuroi
    @shadkuroi 29 днів тому +20

    It's very strange that we haven't had games that have been heavily inspired by KH in their gameplay until today like Versus would do. Mainly because I REALLY wanted the gameplay base of KH (ESPECIALLY 2) to be taken forward and continue to evolve and see it with other ideas, mechanics and contexts.
    To me it's always been like KH managed to translate everything we have in an RPG into a truly frenetic action RPG. And to have done that in the 00s is incredible. And I think that would fit really well with Final Fantasy, just making it a little more strategic with the enemy AI and elemental weaknesses without giving up the good quality of the action.

  • @solidussly7
    @solidussly7 19 днів тому +3

    Good video. The game that has combat closest to Kingdom Hearts is probably Final Fantasy VII Remake, which makes sense considering who worked on it. I wish there were more KH clones. DMC has quite a few. There are an infinite amount of Souls clones. I hope more games will take inspiration from KH gameplay in the future.

  • @oreotaku4017
    @oreotaku4017 13 годин тому +1

    Square is collaborating with th team behind Reynatis because they are very open about being inspired by their games like TWEWY, KH, Nier, and concepts like V13.

  • @terrariku2010
    @terrariku2010 29 днів тому +9

    I'm not sure why some people are so hellbent on the idea that you can't replicate the feel of KH's gameplay, because of the story and setting ... Bro what? I mean, if you were asking for a super bright hand with occasional heavy darkness within a multiverse in existing I.P.'s and new worlds/areas/ characters, then I would understand where they're coming from. It would be the same reason most argue can't capture Smash Bros. But it is abundantly clear you're wondering why the gameplay ins and outs, and general formula, isn't emulated more often.
    You know, ironically the game I've played closest to the formula is DMC V. Now I know that sounds outrageous. But it kind of feels like how I would imagine Sora to be able to fight with that control scheme. Just with like, keyblade transformations and Drive forms. It effectively has HP increases, increases to their equivalent to a Drive gauge, and you learn new action commands in the form of combo strings. It's not that close to KH, I know. But it's genuinely the closest I've gotten to feeling a similar gameplay experience to KH2 specifically. All of this to say; I really think it shouldn't be that out there to tweak some combat and growth systems in a game that is already planned to be an action game to be more like KH. What does KH have that an action game like DMC V doesn't in order to feel more unique? Well for one, there's also passive abilities gained when leveling. They actually share in the common gaming thing of "progress the game to get more abilities and tools." Not everything is tied to leveling up, but it is something KH2 and KH3 even do well in terms of levels only giving stats and passive support abilities, while action commands aka new tools are again, awarded through progression of the game title. I know programming isn't easy. But I feel like it's a relatively easy formula to follow. Oh and KH has equipment. Just like one expects of turn-based RPG's.
    All in all; I think we're long overdue for this. Honestly I personally don't even need the commands menu, much as I'd like it, if we got a new action RPG that uses the gameplay formula where leveling isn't necessary to win as you get told with progression, but man does it feel good to level up.

  • @ferdyX93
    @ferdyX93 29 днів тому +7

    There are some things in media you can’t just emulate for me in video games they are Nomura’s KH, Yoko Taro’s Nier and Takahashi’s Xeno series there’s something in these games that I simply can’t find anywhere else which is a bit of a shame considering how long the next chapter of these series takes to come out 😂 great video definitely subscribed

  • @PurpleFX1
    @PurpleFX1 Місяць тому +6

    I’m surprised to see this is your first video essay on the channel, thanks for the great video!

  • @RiceMov
    @RiceMov 28 днів тому +4

    8:49 to be honest that sounds like a fire story tho sora finally embracing the darkness

  • @LibraJoeKerr
    @LibraJoeKerr 27 днів тому +2

    Look out for Duskfade, kingdoms hearts clone. From the enemies to the fighting to the whole lore, look it up. There’s another one but I forgot the name

  • @MrWarners14
    @MrWarners14 29 днів тому +7

    The reason Kingdom Hearts has never gained a genre of its own is mainly because of its “4D chess” style storytelling is so complicated that it makes it harder to copy a base formula.
    That and every game in the franchise is so vastly different, that there is no “true” Kingdom Hearts.
    They are all part of the grander action RPG genre but they all are creative and interesting with their concepts so it’s never boring to play.
    That and Disney owns the rights to the Kingdom Hearts original characters. Pretty much any attempt to rip them off is potential grounds for a plagiarism lawsuit.
    Though patents are so vague, it would be nonsensical to sue over that as Capcom has proven with Street Fighter 2 creating a subgenre of fighting games.

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  29 днів тому +4

      While you are right about the 4D chess plot, I feel like that really shouldn't have stopped anyone from making their own KH-clone. I don't agree with that "there is no true Kingdom Hearts" remark though, as every game has used a variant of the command menu system.

  • @soralifestory
    @soralifestory 28 днів тому +6

    I feel like people in he comments are overanalyzing what you are saying and looking at KH as something that cant be replicated at all, when thats not the case. Story wise i agree with everyone here, KH flaws and all, has a way it does story that i just havent seen anywhere else, especially being a mix FF and disney.
    But, like the video, and what he means by Hearts clone, is the gameplay. How no company has tried to replicate the KH Style combat or mechanics at all, is crazy. It would be nice to see another AA or AAA game with that KH Feel, its possible, there are many ARPGs that play or feel similar ala Star Ocean, compared to Tales Of and theres a reason for that. All that to say, the games dont have to be KH, but theres a feel to the Action Combat and how the game plays, thats kinda sad that only KH plays like that, and VersusXIII wouldve been nice to see with that style evolved in a more mature game

  • @rubyknights5885
    @rubyknights5885 28 днів тому +3

    I would argue Final Fantasy seven remake series is also a kingdom hearts clone just with a more focus on teammates and less aerial combat

  • @soulsolis3096
    @soulsolis3096 20 днів тому +2

    I'm, for once, someone who's VERY tired of all the Soulslike Games and wish we'd rather get Heartslike Games instead... I want to do simple yet cool action and movement in combat without being stunned or down too often!

  • @Atticus_Moore
    @Atticus_Moore 28 днів тому +3

    I'll relay the message to developers

  • @t-dollas5442
    @t-dollas5442 29 днів тому +2

    Loving your break down of this topic

  • @inthebasement2989
    @inthebasement2989 Місяць тому +4

    NEW CHANNEL ?!? Good fucking idea! Im so close to also start my own video series about my Kh theories

  • @DgoneOfficial
    @DgoneOfficial 27 днів тому +2

    Lots of people saying it can't be done, but I disagree. Sure, the theme might be difficult to pull off without square and Disney, but personally I play these games for the gameplay. To me, it's perfect, especially when you play on the harder difficulties and get to the secret bosses, that's when you really get to sink your teeth into the mechanics. There are other action rpgs with similar mechanics, like FF16, but I feel like they are often trying to be more grounded and not as fluid. Nier Automata comes pretty close though, I guess?

  • @That1Smug
    @That1Smug 29 днів тому +2

    It's funny how Reynatis and SE are actually colabing for TWEWY content

  • @BladerArt
    @BladerArt 29 днів тому +4

    I originally made a Hearts clone comic which was about Cartoon Network when I was little so that in the future it wouldve get adapted into a video game series.
    And..... you probably know what happen to the studio

    • @bluehairedaigaming
      @bluehairedaigaming 27 днів тому

      Isn't Fusion Fall technically a Hearts clone.

    • @BladerArt
      @BladerArt 27 днів тому

      @@bluehairedaigaming I wouldnt say like its a Hearts clone. It is a crossover game but no

    • @bluehairedaigaming
      @bluehairedaigaming 27 днів тому

      Here's an idea for a clone, two in fact (the other post got deleted, because it was rubbish). You will love this one more even if you don't like it. This idea is a Dark Souls re-imagining of Cartoon Network and Warner Bros IPs, a fusion of Bandai Namco and Cartoon Network. How would Grim from Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy look like as a Dark Souls Boss, F&%&ing Epic. Meanwhile Ed, Edd N Eddy are trying to learn how to use mythical bong created by Rick and Morty. The game is called The Trip Lands. Master Xehanort is replaced with a parody known as Master Cockbuster who is the man from Aqua Teen Hunger Force's long lost brother. Now our main character needs to not rip off Pippy so I came up with a new name, his name is Dainty (a parody of Dante from Devil May Cry) and his weapon is the Chronoblade a clock themed weapon that is based on the hand ends of the clock. Master Cockbuster is trying to unleash 13 different Crackheads on the planet known as Crack XIII. The Future War is the main event of the Trip Lands and it's based on the terminator films.

    • @bluehairedaigaming
      @bluehairedaigaming 27 днів тому

      The second idea is on SBFW called The Convergence of AxZos and it's F^%$$ing SHIT! I wrote an idea about a possible Nick and Sega team up using bits and peices of Archie Sonic Lore and Alex Bale's MUSE ARG, and it was more convoluted and poorly written than even Normua's fanfiction. It stars someone's elses OC that was re-imagined into a version of Sora. Who is he, he is known as Dexter Fishery and is known for using DDLC characters as weapons while being trained by a manager version of SpongeBob using a magical keyblade like spatula as a weapon. Each DDLC waifu is one of the Drive Forms that you can use while you are on an adventure to stop the Nickelodeon slime that is actually Xorda primordial ooze leading to the August 12th 2036, the Heat Death of the Universe.
      The fanfic's main villian, Ivan Kintobor / Ian Droid (The Anti-Christ) works for B.O.O.T.S. doing research with Sue Nahmee and "The Lost Ones", however he is framed by Agent Stone who is working on building a prison planet known as the Fourth Industrial Revolution which was an idea established by The Nocturne Clan and their "Fourth Great Civilization".
      In this bad fanfic you go to several Nick worlds collect the chaos emeralds and defeat those "disgusting black creatures" before the "Real" Eggman (The YTP PINGAS KING) is brought back to life by Sue Nahmee who herself is being used by Ex G.U.N. and her pirate cultists.
      Obviously if Sega were to team up with anyone, Nintendo or Capcom (preferably Capcom) would be a far better choice for a KH clone setting and wouldn't come across as socially awkward or an unfitting tone for both SEGA and Nick. One of the main complaints of this fanfic is how dark SpongeBob's world is portrayed and how it's not faithful or SpongeBob like at all so the fic never really got finished since it SUCKED BALLZ.

    • @BladerArt
      @BladerArt 27 днів тому

      @@bluehairedaigaming oh my god 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @shizuwolf
    @shizuwolf 29 днів тому +2

    I've been wondering the same thing about the Yakuza/Like A Dragon series

  • @SebastianS-m5q
    @SebastianS-m5q 23 дні тому +2

    6:09 I'm sorry, did you just say it was Xenoblade parody? I have NEVER seen that comparison before, please make an entire video about it.

  • @JohnathanHuynh-zp4wg
    @JohnathanHuynh-zp4wg 28 днів тому

    There was one game franchise that is somewhat of a western made Kingdom Hearts clone called The Legend of Spyro Trilogy from 2006-2008 where it came around the same timeframe as Kingdom Hearts 2. It seems like western developers were trying to make a competitor to Kingdom Hearts while using the pre-existing Spyro brand and making an unrelated series in name only that has a different genre with Action based combat rather than collecting since platformers were getting killed off during that time in favor of storydriven RPGs. I also though this Legend of Spyro series also seems a little darker without disney to me so I don't mind Versus got cancelled at that time.

  • @77wolfblade
    @77wolfblade 29 днів тому +2

    If the original Kingdom Hearts is over, they could always give a light reboot and make Sora. a supporting. teacher character, like they kinda did with Dante in devil may cry games to Nero. And it'd be better than a doom and gloom Sora.

  • @timze4883
    @timze4883 Місяць тому +3

    Gl with channel. Nice vid :)

  • @BimBamZimZam
    @BimBamZimZam 29 днів тому +4

    KH isn't so much about the gameplay as it is about it's characters. There isn't a clone, because you can't make a equal clone without Disney + FF characters

    • @VirgilioGolden
      @VirgilioGolden 25 днів тому +1

      The best thing about this franchise to me are the original characters, they are amazing, Disney and FF aren't really necessary they are there only because of popularity

    • @RedJLP
      @RedJLP 23 дні тому +2

      @@VirgilioGolden Hell, the reason they were there in the original is arguably so they didn’t have to waste time introducing everyone. Did that mean that when I first picked up the original as a gateway to JRPGs as a whole, I still had no idea who everyone who passed through Hollow Bastion was? Definitely, but I found myself the type to make a serious effort to find out, setting me up for being that geek in Persona circles that cares a lot about who everyone’s Persona is and how the Arcana are characterised across entries

    • @nemesi55
      @nemesi55 20 днів тому

      @@VirgilioGolden This is how Nomura sees it, too. He’s gone on record saying that he doesn’t really feel like KH “needs” the FF characters anymore, as they were a sort of crutch for the cast of the first few games, but now that KH has a substantial original cast of its own there’s not really a need to attract FF fans with crossover stuff. Probably the reason there were no FF characters in the base version of KH3.

  • @Star-eg3qt
    @Star-eg3qt 22 дні тому +1

    Awesome

  • @drgeniusphd
    @drgeniusphd 29 днів тому

    I'm 100% sure that Reynatis is the planned full-fledged Verum Rex that Nomura had talked about releasing that's been retooled into something else after SQEX said they wouldn't publish/support it. I know people treat that like a crazy conspiracy theory but literally everything about it points to that, from the staff to the setting to the music, down to the TWEWY collab.

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  29 днів тому +1

      It's really not. The gameplay style and tone is way too different. Nomura already stated that he dropped Verum Rex, not because of SQEX but because he had too much to work with. Even then, Reynatis is barely at all the Verum Rex you might think it is as Nomura had no real involvement aside from the TWEWY collab.

  • @kamikaze5528
    @kamikaze5528 5 годин тому

    What are the indie games you mentioned?

  • @marco_voltage
    @marco_voltage 28 днів тому +2

    That last bit, altough bitter AF, is so real lol. They take Ips we followed for years, turn it into something completely diferent just to keep milking it, and say that we are wrong for not liking it lol. They know that a new Ip with these stories wouldn't draw the same attention as the controversy generated with a rebbot. So this is a story we well unfortunally se repeated over and over saddly. I personaly don't buy reboots anymore. It's a garranteed way for me to feel dispointed.

  • @XainRussell
    @XainRussell 29 днів тому +2

    What were the two games you mentioned at 6:20? Luminous Knights and Geno Gates?

  • @AlexxxMYLSince2013
    @AlexxxMYLSince2013 29 днів тому +1

    Another KhLike is Duskfade but it doesn't have the command menu

  • @ZefoniusLinestraf
    @ZefoniusLinestraf 29 днів тому +1

    The thing is KH is a cross over and to achieve something similar it would mean you have to do a collab with other studios the gameplay is not hard to mimick now storytelling thats another story because its Hard to pull off concidering that not even KH fans understand the lore of KH itself at the same time cool anime boy meets funny cartoon characthers and some other edgy Boys of other anime jrpg characthers lol

  • @davidclark9055
    @davidclark9055 29 днів тому

    They are coming! :)

  • @TheNarutonic
    @TheNarutonic 29 днів тому +1

    The command menu system wasn't good though. It was serviceable, lmao. Why would someone want to emulate that?

    • @cybeherocodex2426
      @cybeherocodex2426 29 днів тому

      Some people like it some don’t

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  29 днів тому

      "Why would someone want to emulate that?" Because it's pretty simple and KH was a massive success. Same reason why so many made Doom clones. There is no reason not to use it. Even if you say the Command Menu system isn't good, you would expect someone to at least try to implement it, just to see or to improve.

    • @cybeherocodex2426
      @cybeherocodex2426 29 днів тому +1

      @@Cocytus995 I’d like to make a game like kh but always worried that using the command menu would be illegal or patented so thought of ways to make something different…that and have no idea what game engine or how to code..

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  29 днів тому

      @@cybeherocodex2426 So far, I have not seen any reports of patenting in regards to Command Menu. The wikipedia doesn't even treat it like it exists.

  • @Marmondos420
    @Marmondos420 29 днів тому

    If we swapped this gameplay out with a different ip, I probably wouldn’t play it. We all play this series for the story, the worlds, and the gameplay. One without the other just makes the game feel less. To a smaller scale, we all noticed kh3 wasn’t the same without ff characters because they were basically in every other game. Also, where the f is kingdom hearts 4 lol, I’m hoping for at least a new trailer this game awards

  • @thesporkguy
    @thesporkguy 2 дні тому +1

    I can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 7: The Last Key-Wielder, in which Xehanort's daughter finds old recluse Sora on Destiny Islands drinking blue coconut milk and refusing to use his Kingdom Key again, all while the game's new director constantly tells fans, "your Xigbar theory sucks".

  • @AzureRoxe
    @AzureRoxe 18 днів тому

    You mean action games with flashy skills?
    Kingdom Hearts wasn't the first and has not been the last. No one "clones" Kingdom Hears cause its only unique thing is the addition of Disney stuff.

    • @Cocytus995
      @Cocytus995  18 днів тому +1

      This is objectively false. KH is the only game series with the Command Menu system.

  • @OhKayEl
    @OhKayEl 3 дні тому

    A Hearts-like exists and its name is Modern Final Fantasy...

  • @ghoulgirl99
    @ghoulgirl99 28 днів тому

    it's literally an rpg

  • @Gokuishim69
    @Gokuishim69 19 днів тому

    there are ff7 rebirth and remake,ff15,16,13-2 square has literally put the kingdom hearts system into every game they make these days

  • @Apt23-v8u
    @Apt23-v8u 23 дні тому

    Inexistent because kh is shit and Disney a lot more

    • @paralink9505
      @paralink9505 3 дні тому

      Oh, Look. A blind stupid Hater that knows nothing about Video games at all. I "REALY" like those kinda guys.

  • @kukukachu
    @kukukachu 28 днів тому

    Kingdom Hearts is a terrible franchise. That's why you haven't seen any copies of it. Too convoluted, too pretentious, too Disney. The first game was the only good one. People will say the second game was the best one, but I disagree.
    With that said, there will be people like you that loved it, become developers and make their own indie version (eventually). I do believe I saw one devtuber actually making a KH like indie. 15 had potential to be good, but it was garbage in the end. What a waste. What a betrayal. All those times they said they wanted to fix it, while only putting out half assed DLC that didn't fix any of the issues.. They also put real life advertisments in that game...what a slap in the face...that was the day that I stopped trusting Squenix completely.