NXT keeps growing. Dynamite, not so much | Wrestling Observer Live
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive discuss NXT's growth in the ratings while AEW Dynamite's ratings have slipped.
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Bryan named every other storyline but Punk and Drew😂😂
He's still bitter at Punk. Lol!
@@wvang0013Why is he?
On the full show him and Semp argued with a fan that tried to call the Punk feud "mid" and the Rhea/Liv Morgan feud "Vince Russo booking"
@@dynamic283 cos punk had the audacity to date maria kanellis when dork alvarez had a crush on her
He really hates giving punk flowers it's so weird how the bunch backed bucks so hard they've now became haters before all in and the signs of issues they loved punk but now they try downplay everything he does.to be fair the guy in cap is normally fair I think he's reasonable Brian can be too I just think it's punk stuff he forgets weird with
People wanted an alternative to Vince McMahon's WWE. They have one now with Triple H's WWE.
Exactly 👏
There you have it. The alternate was for Vince's WWE, AEW never changed to fit Triple H's.
@@topdog042001 makes me think of when NXT congratulated AEW for beating them in the ratings. It ended with “it’s a marathon, not a sprint.”
They created the Acclaimed and Wardlow... and the booked them into the dirt :/
Wardlow is one name on a long list of wrestlers with potential they have failed to push properly: Hobbs, Starks, Hook, Darby, Sammy, Miro, Keith Lee
Tbf, Keith is always hurt@@drobinson-uo7ic
Wardlow is also injury prone
"This is five straight weeks of the show under 700k." ... it's *NOT* just the last 5 weeks, though. The last 5 weeks have simply been the progression and multiplication of a bigger problem.
IIRC, prior to the Revolution PPV, AEW had *never* had consecutive episodes of Dynamite in its regular timeslot draw under 800k viewers. Since Revolution, they've manage to reach 800k exactly twice: the week of and the week immediately after the airing of the Punk footage, the latter of which (again IIRC) came in at exactly 800k.
This is a trend that has been going on for *four months* now. Denying it does *nobody* any good, least of all AEW and AEW fans.
These guys sucking off tk and claiming the product is as great as ever contributed to the downfall.
Tony let CM Punk and Cody walk out the door. Now he's paying for it. Two of the biggest stars AEW had that people always tuned in for are now in WWE.
That episode where they tried to humiliate Punk with the All In footage after he talked about his bad experience in AEW rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Even folks who may hate Punk thought that was bullshit.
Punk was kicked out of the door. Don't try to rewrite history.
@@decepticonxhunter4850No Bro Punk quit lol let’s be real what TK did was basically a you can’t quit cause I fired you but Punk quit at All In lmaooo you really think TK wanted to lose Punk 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@decepticonxhunter4850 lol, till kahn corrects Punk i remember him choking jungle boy, turning to Tony and calling him a clown and quiting
"Next week is a PPV quality show"
Repeated almost every single week
Having the Bucks play tongue-in-cheek, cartoon villains isn't helping.
Everything the Elite touches (minus Hangman) is so corny and phoney. Even Omega’s title reign he was booked as a comedy goof.
Omega was never properly pushed in AEW as the “Star” that fans saw him as in New Japan.
Some of that may have been due to Omega’s natural neurotic nature and strange whisper promos, but a lot of it was due to the ‘Booker’ not highlighting Omega’s strengths while downplaying the weaknesses.
I don’t even like the empty-headed cowboy, Hangman Page, but there is serious potential in him as an angry crybaby solo villain. Yet, he’s always glued to the ridiculous Bucks for some reason and they automatically make everything around them a bad joke… 👎🏻
Tony Khan doesn’t understand that those Cucamunga clowns were always secondary background lackeys in larger groups. TK decided to make them the main focus of his top stories and angles because he thinks they are friends, and THAT has been a major detriment to the company and the televisión product…
Exactly! Most tongue-in-cheek villians are loved and entertaining to watch!
The Bucks make people change the channel!
AEW lost their good will and their momentum. And once you loose that it's hard to get back on track. The sad part is they could have course corrected a lot sooner if goofs like you were honest and didn't just say everything was great and ignored the Constructive Criticism.
Them praising or cristising aew doesn't and wouldn't have made a difference. If the fans are tuning out, it's because of what's on the screen, not what UA-cam channels are saying.
Goodwill is ok but it cannot compare to an entertaining product. This has been said before but people like Meltzer don't understand. No one cares about bangers on a weekly show. It should be there just to progress the story
I also think Bryan was on the money here. A good part of the loss of viewership is that wwe no longer sucks. WWE to many is THE wrestling show.
but everything is fine according to cocaine cowboy
Much like mainstream media and democrats and Biden
I am not sure why the two companies are even compared anymore. AEW is closer to TNA's numbers than RAW/Smackdown. That's who AEW needs to worry about. WWE didn't take near as many viewers from AEW as they did gaining audience from brand new fans and bringing back lapsed fans that didn't watch any wrestling at all anymore. Almost all AEW fans are/were WWE fans. Many of them were watching both and just stopped watching AEW like they stopped watching TNA a decade ago. The number of AEW fans that don't also watch WWE content - if not the TV shows and PLE's - is pretty miniscule. WWE doesn't make gains because people are coming over from AEW. They make gains because most people that watched AEW were still watching WWE, then they added a bunch more new people.
What the fuck are you on about? Have you seen TNA’s numbers? They’re nowhere near Rampage let alone Dynamite.
AEW is way closer to WWE than they are to TNA, which does a 0.01 in ratings. Using TV ratings, AEW is over 20 times bigger than TNA. WWE is only around 3 times bigger than AEW.
I wouldn’t even know where to watch TNA over here in England.
@@gregamania1327tna drew over a million head to head with raw. TK would cream his pants for those numbers
@gregamania1327
TNA - 100k
Collision - 300k
Rampage - 300k
NXT - 650k
Dynamite - 650k
RAW - 1.75 million
Smackdown - 2.5 million
AEW's big show is ahead by 500k on TNA, and more than a million behind RAW most weeks, nearly 2 million behind Smackdown most weeks. AEW is not gaining ground on WWE, they are trending the other direction, with TNA beginning to trend upward. NXT will undoubtedly surpass AEW by the time December rolls around. What nobody is talking about is that while there is plenty of room for all sorts of wrestling shows in America/the world, MOST people really only have time to dedicate to one or two of them. AEW has already lost being the second option, they are now the third or fourth option. If TNA gains ground on AEW's secondary shows, then one of those shows will get cancelled. Bet. AEW vs. WWE shouldn't really be a thing anymore, but I get it. The impression is that AEW is so close to competing with WWE, all they need to do is tweak this or tweak that. But it's a lot bigger gap than that, and the objects in the rearview mirror are getting bigger. That's the reality of the situation.
I mean nowadays WWE has it all. Good Storylines, Amazing matches, More Diversity, Women's wrestling get proper tv time, etc.
It still sucks, wrestling as a whole sucks just because AEW is also shit doesnt make it good
Remember when Tiny Tony had the next big thing in Wardlow? Where's the guy even at? WWE has Bron Breaker now.....Let's compare! 🤣
also no more camera cuts every 2 seconds to the point where you literally couldn't see anything, that's the reason I stopped watching years ago (along with it being bad) checked out Royal Rumble this year and watched since, yeah, I skip some stuff, but it's SO much better than it was 6-8 years ago or so
@@user-zp7bv3rz5y nah. WWE is good. It hasn’t been this good since Attitude era. If people can’t see that. They don’t know shit
@@CheknoEternity WWE was the turds for 2 decades, just because its a less smelly turd doesnt mean its good.
Storylines & Characters > Work-rate matches & Spot fests.
That's not what happened . Aew has a lot of story. Ppl like you that say this are fools 😂
@@bankai7623 what was the story between MJF vs hechicero or Swerve vs Osprey ?
@@bankai7623tony Kahn is booking for an audience of one and the results speak for themselves
Yeah then why are most of WWE's modern day storylines dogshit?
@@ThicknSwift Facts. I haven't the slightest interest in watching Liv Morgan and Dominic. So juvenile.
You know there is a problem in AEW when even after announcing MJF X Osprey and Swerve x Okada they still have only moved 1,900 tickets. And the show is next week.
😮 where will dynamite be held next week?
Well that’s a massive issue of theirs and I can’t believe they have no one who can figure out to book arenas, venues and dates in a way that isn’t detrimental to their business
It makes no sense to run two shows within 200 miles of each other when you run like once a week (see August). You fly everyone in and out for the most part so why would you not drastically change markets week to week. Why are they spending weeks at a time in the same general regions. Dont make someone choose between shows to go to like that. They should never book two consecutive dynamites within 400 miles.
Swerve - Okada could have been big match worth tuning in for if AEW had booked both of them strongly. Now Okada is just a nobody and Swerve is getting constantly overshadowed by everything and everyone.
MJF lost all momentum in like week. Osprey is cool but doesn't really move tickets or get people to tune in. Remember the time that Tony hot shotted Kenny - MJF and it happened in random Collision? Same here.
In a 18K arena no less.
Just watch the history of this channel. Mike and Bryan use to talk about "All Time Lows" ratings for WWE and that's when AEW was hot
You can sign all the wrestlers you like. If you don’t put them in good storylines that casual American likes. It doesn’t matter
They are in good story lines. Maybe if you watch the show sometime instead of being a tribalist, you might actually enjoy it
@@Mike-yu4ohwhat stories....TK is trash .hell kill aew if he doesn't assign a new booker
The casual fan doesn't exist. It's a straw-man wrestling fans invented to explain something they don't understand. It's the same fans watching as always, but now they're just choosing WWE over AEW.
@@LastierX wrestling has hardly made any new fans .it's the same fans that keep circulating..you're spot on..if anyone tells you wrestling is making new fans is delusional and so thirsty for a wrestling boom
@@Mike-yu4oh Jay white is not in a good storyline. Gets beat all the time. Basically a jobber. Is on the preshow. He’s been booked like dogshit so far. I’m not tuning in for that when the guy was main eventung the Tokyo dome 2 years ago. What the fuck
Why does he sound so hurt? This mf reading this like his favorite sports team just lost. 😂😂
He’s literally just reading the numbers, my dude.
They're hurt because they're wrong. And have been since the beginning. They said stuff 5 years ago that came back to bite them now. Aew was going to surpass WWE. Yeah, that's funny
@@RunandLift2 They never once said anything like that.
@@gregamania1327they most definitely did 😂😂😂
@@joeyskywalker1322 Source?
3 years ago Chris Jericho said that AEW will overtake Raw in the ratings within the next year.
At that time they were nipping at RAW’s heels, and even beat them 3 weeks. Live attendance for Dynamite was also nearly even with RAW.
@@gregamania1327stop lying AEW never beat Raw In viewership ticket sales I really don’t remember Raw was getting between 1.6-1.8 million lol AEW highest rating outside there debut was 1.3 million and that was with CM Punk Danielson Adam Cole all debuted at the same time when was Dynamite ever close to Raw 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@joeyskywalker1322 Dynamite beat RAW 3 different weeks in 18-49. Dave has been over this many times.
@@gregamania1327lol that literally never happened 😂😂
@@gregamania1327 was that the 18-49 or 35-39 demo, walk it off clown shoes
WWE's "C" show is beating AEW's "A" show...Let that sink in...Tony Khan has spent multiple millions on talent...NXT is paying entry level salaries....Booking/writing matter...
2 million a week 😂😂
@@keni95851 what NXT talent makes $2 million a week? That’s $104 million dollars a year, nobody in the company makes a 1/10 of that. NXT talents make an average of $1399 per week and they are capped at $75000 per year, that is a verifiable fact since it’s a publicly traded company.
Let's see......Tony Kahn's Booking or "The Show Stopper's?" 🤣
also wwe lost on nxt prospects like ospreay and okada but these guys presented it as wwe losing out on top tier talent
@@keni95851Take it from Kendra she’s the biggest and smartest wrestling fan I know. She da goat hands down. 👍
Joe Hendry is really the needle mover
Then how come he can't draw flies in TNA?
@duckmercy11 no one outside wwe draws very much sadly. If someone like will ospreay was in wwe he'd be a huge draw and household name
@@centristamerican7845 Ospreay already worked the Tokyo Dome and Wembley and is making millions, he doesn't need WWE 😂. No one in that company is a household name...except The Rock and Cena. Go ask 10 people in the street about Rollins or Cody and 8/10 won't know them.
@duckmercy11 I'm not defending wwe. Definitely not a fan of them or anything about their pg product, you got the wrong one here
He didn’t mention the McIntyre punk storyline 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its just sad that AEW had the opportunity to create new fans but decided to stick to a small subset of which a portion will still move back to wwe.
If next weeks show does under 700k then theres a real problem with AEW and something has to change.
We are LONG past the point of realizing there is a real problem with the product.
It's also fair to point out that NXT feels like it has a goal in mind. It feels like there is a purpose behind the show regardless of quality week to week. AEW just feels content to keep doing what they're doing and it's finally worn thin.
AEW have made Stars but then TK is totally clueless about what to do with them and their star power drops then off a cliff.
Wardlow. Hangman. Swerve. Acclaimed.
TK is the problem. He can’t book.
Wrestling should be written( booked) like a soap opera. TK is not a story teller.
If he were, he would build a beginning middle and end (payoff). It appears he books the PPV payoff but doesn't doesn't know how to leave you wanting more weekly through Dynamite - >Rampage - >Collision.
Here's my question: if the viewers are now watching WWE, why would that make them NOT watch AEW? The shows don't air on the same night or same time, and Dynamite is the top of the roster compared to WWE minor Leaguers the night before. There is no excuse to lose views to a different night unless you are noticeably worse than everything else on the air
I would argue that most people do not have the time or inclination to watch 11 hours of wrestling a week.
@@andrewglidewell2699 Which is why AEW should (1) develop new fans that aren't predisposed to WWE (2) get rid of Collision to focus on Dynamite and (3) make Rampage a recap show. TK wants all that sweet ad money though, and is willing to dilute his brand with too much content in order to get it.
They're reporting these factors of "WWE has good storylines and stars" and "AEW doesn't have storylines and stars" as if it is new information when wrestling veterans, fans, etc have been saying it for months.
You can only deny the iceberg about to hit until it actually hits
Months lol niggas been saying this for years it’s just now with WWE being better going into a new era it really exposed how shit AEW is
Indy booking for a TV show never works no matter how big the match is because u have to build a story line.
The consistent storylines everyweek is rewarding
Dynamite has been really good lately. The storylines are starting to overlap between other characters and feuds. All they have to do is stay on track and it will grow organically.
As an AEW fan, I agree with the rhetoric that most fans that thought WWE sucked and were begging for an alternative now don't feel the need to watch anything else simply because WWE got better. Each product has its own 5 hours or more of wrestling per week, that's a lot, so it was always a losing battle for AEW unless something miraculous happens. Even if Tony Khan books everything perfectly from hereon out, the weekly numbers will barely get better. This isn't to say that the booking is not an issue, it is, but the main issue for AEW is that the top company that is favored by the casual fans got considerably better in the last year or so. It's very hard to battle against that.
Alvarez is insufferable how he solely places the cause on WWE getting hot and it's not because AEW is bad. If he doesn't think it's bad then that's fine, but he shouldn't say it like it's a universal fact. If AEW was so great as he keeps saying then they wouldn't have lost so many fans.
Not everyone thinks spot-fested, obviously choreographed, phony looking gymnastic matches with constant kick outs is good. Problem is, Alvarez and Meltzer call this great all the time but many more people think it's just boring.
100%
Bryan personally enjoys it, so to him their lack of success must be due to some outside force.
That’s the problem, they love this shit and can’t believe the product could possibly be to blame. The quality of dynamite from even just two years ago is night and day
Uh you need to listen as Alvarez is flat out saying that AEW’s product isn’t keeping up quality wise w WWE. It’s actually refreshing to hear from him finally
@@judohunter1 He doesn't do it enough.
Agree on some points but Swerve and Okada match was set up because Swerve got into the Blood and Guts match, so they're rivals there already, that's the story going into it.
As to AEW creating new stars, as Bryan mentioned, Swerve's in a better position, MJF is miles ahead of where he was when he started with the company, Darby's been super over for a while now, Britt Baker's return felt like a million bucks, I'm just mentioning three wrestlers that were in the latest Dynamite.
You need to clip that Lenny phone call 😂
I hate what aew has done with jay white 😒 😑 i hope he goes to wwe one day
The storytelling is poor in aew and having bunks , Perry etc having belts and thinking their elite is a nonsense .
Jay White also hasn’t done himself too many favors with some of his long and uninspiring promos on AEW tv either
You nailed it. I can catch up on the great matches on UA-cam but the show feels skippable due to lack of story
No one cares about "story." go watch a movie.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 nobody cares about men’s gymnastics, go watch the Olympics.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 except for the viewers, advertisers, audience attendance or retention, wb and their rights deal. keep trying clown shoes
I have a friend that literally started watching AEW because he remembered and liked Cody, and then was further hooked by Punk and Sting coming back and by a few AEW homegrowns like Jade, Britt, Darby, and Perry.
He was all in for a year or two, even bought the video game.
Other than Sting's retirement match he's completely stopped watching over the last year.
Dynamite doing MJF/Ospreay and Swerve/Okada next week. PPV level matches to get a desperate ratings bump next week. Didn’t Tony say he learned from WCW’s mistakes?
That's a bit disingenuous. Most television, including wwe work that way when ratings are down. Why wouldn't you try it? WCWs mistake wasn't just hot shot booking. It was nonsensical tv
remember when tna was doing this and this guy would go into awesome rants about it .....if only he was not on tony's payroll
I still think he's one of those people who liked the bad WCW stuff and thinks there were other reasons it didn't work out, and since he has (the father with) the money to pay for it, he's gonna copy it until he convinces himself it wasn't as good as he thought
@@wanerbdjsAEW is a lot more nonsensical than WCW ever was.
@@zemm9003 I think you need to look up WCW then.
AEW was an alternative to the WWE. It was a sports based Professional Wrestling show that was a New Japan/ECW mashup. They mostly had wrestlers that weren’t featured on mainstream TV. It was new, it was exciting. and it was fresh. Imagine if they had signed Jacob Fatu, Alexander Hammerstone, Eli Drake, Jordynne Grace, and Joe Hendry instead of ex WWE wrestlers.
Now? It’s almost entirely about WWE wrestlers. I saw a promo for AEW during the Who Killed WCW show and except for Ospreay, it had former WWE wrestlers featured. A WWE fan isn’t going to watch it, because the Biggest WWE stars are in the WWE. A person looking for an alternative isn’t going to watch, because it’s just like the WWE.
Weird- aew started going downhill the moment they tried to embarrass Punk with the security footage. Who's laughing now?
I can watch WWE the next day on Hulu. AEW episodes don't seem to be there even a few days later. If I don't have a way to watch episodes I miss I won't stay invested.
Another problem AEW has is they’re more concerned with creating moments (usually hometown moments) then consistently telling good stories, just like Mike said. I’ll never forget that time they just abruptly stopped Samoa Joe’s ROH TV reign cause they were in Washington and wanted to give Darby Allin a hometown moment. Just to turn around and give it back to Joe 2 weeks. Let’s not even get into Saraya and last year’s All In. Moments are nice but you gotta balance it with proper storytelling. Don’t blow up the story cause you’re in someone’s hometown for a particular week. Hell, you don’t even need to put the hometown hero in a title match to get them over. Just give them a match and have them win. That’s it.
AEW got over because WWE was horrible. Now that WWE is fantastic, the majority of people don't need an alternative.
This, all these nonsense comments about AEW being dogshit when the product on a weekly basis is about a 7-8/10 But if the "main" show is a 8/10, why would someone look for another 8/10 show?
@@hellboy30098aee is far from 7-8 let alone 5
Wwe isn't fantastic it's just decent it's the wwe McDonald's effect.
@@bankai7623this is a really dumb comment considering the growth wwe has had lately lol. I mean if it’s your opinion that it is decent that’s fine, just know that you are wrong, and the ratings/ increased ticket sales prove that
Ehhhh I'd still take 2019 WWE over watching Orange Cassidy, Marko Stunt, The Young Bucks and Excallibur commentary.
The problem with a hail mary loaded show to try and bring up viewership it that it may work for one week and that looks bad, it may help for a few weeks which is the best case scenario or it may not bring up viewership more than 10 or 20 thousand and that will hurt the next few weeks worth of shows
Dynamite ratings in the toilet NXT ratings rising above the Mud 😂😂😂
Once The Boogeyman went away (Vince), Tony Khan’s whole business plan of “us vs them” went down the toilet lol
Hard to believe they're only setting up an arena for 2,698 people. Mjf and will ospreay are having a Match on that show
The sad part is that a lot of the people being featured in NXT right now are former AEW talents that Tony did nothing with. Ethan Page will be on the main roster in the near future. They made that clear by putting the belt on him this quickly and immediately putting him at the top of the card. They are slow walking Pillman, but it's clear they plan on doing something with him. Shawn Spears is prominently featured. This is like a middle finger to Tony, and I think HHH did it intentionally. They are beating AEW with their developmental show while using people he had under contract. Tony looks like a total goof.
But dynamite wins this week ratings what it talk about this guy ?
THEY'RE ON DIFFERENT NIGHTS... HOW CAN THIS BE TRUE BRYAN YA MANIAC
Bryan how do you have the gall to bring up the accuracy of Reddit. When you and Dave are barely accurate half of the time.
There's no emotional investment in AEW's "stars". That's where the money is. It's simple. Heyman rejecting Solo got a bigger pop than any wrestling move on AEW.
Losing Cody and punk were major blows to AEW. They were the one to balance out AEW spot monkey stuff, so that fans that enjoy storylines can stay and watch. Maybe the drop in viewers didn’t happen right away, but it was slow
But I’ll admit that I’m watching WWE now cause the product is that good. Even with the bloodline storyline from 2021-2023, I was still a die hard AEW fan
All it took is Joe Hendry 😂
Grandma's lupus is acting up again but Daniel Garcia keeps us sane 💘
They need to acknowledge the impact Punk leaving AEW did and the fact that the booking and weekly shows in general are sloppy
Once people tune out due to lack of interest or due to other interests it’s very difficult to get them back. From Wembly to the start of summer the product was mid at best
AEW has too many guys that they haven't given me a reason to care about. It also has too many guys, period. I get a brain cramp trying to recognize the miscellaneous Mexican, ROH, Japanese and indy guys who show up regularly on their shows. Although to heir credit, the Mexican guys are fun to watch. Its women's division has become interesting with the new talent they've signed this year.
I watched a few episodes and pay per views here and there for NXT and was impressed that it wasn’t the hopeless shit show it was when it became 2.0. Still not what it was in its black and gold glory days, but watchable. That’s how I feel WWE is nowadays. Not great, but watchable. WWE had been hopeless for so long under Vince that I think people are making it out to be more than what it is.
Tony Khan taught me the difference between a booker and a matchmaker.
Why do we care so much about ratings?
Ratings and ticket sales speak for themselves 🤷🏻♂️
I just care about the QUALITY of the show being good.
These past few weeks have been a lot better for AEW…
At the TOP of the card with the main champions and their opponents.
However… the overall show show will continue to be bad as long as 3 things exist:
- The Bucks continue to be featured as ‘main stars’ 👎🏻
- Jericho and his bad ideas keep having influence 🤮
- Tony Khan continues holding the booking pencil ✏️
3 years ago I was an AEW kid. Drove to Jacksonville to watch shows, bought merch, the whole nine. Now, every Tuesday, I sit in the NXT audience and watch their show. Tony Khan simply does not know how to run a show that's entertaining on a consistent basis. It's going to be the downfall of that company.
I like AEW but another problem they have besides story is that they will cut these passionate promos and interviews that get you hyped . . . . only to post it exclusively on BTE or Facebook. Put that shit on Dynamite, Rampage, and Collision. Stop assuming all of your fans are on AEW’s social media sites all the time.
I’m so glad that Bryan (someone a lot of the AEW fans try to salute to) for pointing out that swerve/okada is BARELY more than an exhibition.
TNA over AEW at this point 😭💀
Tna from 06-09 was better than anything aew’s put out. Gimme a perc angle singles match against AJ, Joe, Sting, Christian, Abyss, Jarrett, etc and I’ll pick that over a will ospreay match any day.
In your mind a 0.01 is bigger than a 0.23? 😂
TNA barely draws 100k viewers and 1k ticket buyers 😂
Impact is a better show not even a meme
@@duckmercy11 and the wnba got more ratings than AEW 💀
Right all around, I'm a caribbean actor and writer for theatre in houston ( I need to see Booker T) I'm a wrestling fan, I love wrestling and when wwe was not doing good story lines I welcome AEW, WWE answer the bell, it's a better show Mondays so many things but judgement day and mami I'm in, friday bloodline and everything else im in, aew, MJf great, the baker and Mercedes clash I'm interested. The world champ salute, but I watch all of wwe than aew cause I thought aew would be everything wwe wasn't doing. Wwe listening to fans, Booker T, we need to link up, houston, Jamaican connection. How I make it happen as a a manger in wrestling?
It’s as simple as this: after 3 years of giving it a chance and even supporting the live shows, the major personalities of AEW (Khan, Jackson brothers, Jericho) turned out to be insufferable people and, every time they open their mouths or peck something out with their thumbs, it drives me (and clewrly
others) away even further.
Nah, Khan is fine. Its just The Bucks and Jericho, along with a bunch of other stupid asses there.
I guess I’m part of the minority lmao, WWE has definitely gotten better but it just ain’t AEDUB. AEW till I die.
i am sure Okada and Oespray were "big stars" overseas. None of that matters in America. They are not drawing ratings, they have added no new viewers. No new tickets. They are 'stars" to the "sickos" Tony books for. Well, this is what that gets you. And it hurts my heart for Bryan Danielson. What an incredibly poor end to his career. Heatless matches in half full arenas. But he seems happy so that's good.
AEW has gotten so unwatchable that there are now rumors Moxley will eventually go back to WWE. And man he really should, cause he needs someone to tell him no.
Moxley can stay the hell away from wwe, I have absolutely zero interest in watching him
Iirc there was a rumor when his last AEW deal was up, Moxley inquired to WWE and learned they weren’t going to pay him as much as Tony.
Bryan made sure to not mention that viewership was higher on AEW and that the .24 rating doesn't mean more people viewed NXT. But since it's a higher number than AEW, "NXT beats AEW" is the subject they go with to make people sit here and watch them slam AEW when the product has been Much better than anything WWE has been doing. So it's visible that another publication is anti aew. And the proof is easily seen with how much they boost up every small thing WWE does on their Twitter/UA-cam/etc. it's a popular subject and these analyst are engagement farming the 100 million "online" WWE fans that somehow don't add up to 1 million viewers of NXT. The numbers are inflated and people need to be talking about those numbers. 😂. 100 million subs on UA-cam. Less than 2 million views on TV.
Seems "fabricated" to me. Never an episode explaining what the Nielsen rating is and how it isn't measuring the content being shown but how many people are watching a show on a network and how it stacks up against other programming on their networks. 😂🤷🏾. Just spew information that people don't Google in the age of A.I. and move on.
I would love for Bryan to explain to me how WWE losing viewers in 2017-19 was because it sucked, but Dynamite absolutely bleeding viewers all year is not a reflection of it’s quality. Make that make sense for me, please.
like i know these marks are on tony’s payroll. but like downplaying the fact that nxt doesn’t need to blow there ppv wad on a random tuesday on free tv every week to pop a rating is absurd
The problem for aew is that they’re not “real competition” either. They compete for talent because they have a benefactor-owner who’s willing to shill out insane money for wrestlers he loves, but from a business analytics perspective, there is no competition. If they leaned into their uniqueness rather than trying to win a war that never existed to begin with, the product would be a million times better.
i love how they say maintain momentum, clear coherent storylines, and creating new stars is AEW's problem. Isn't that the bookers job? Cowards just say it.
AEW does everything they can in the last few weeks to sell you a PPV, whereas the fed will do what they can to sell you on the next weekly show
Did Bryan just say the first NXT show after Heatwave is nothing special???
Tony needs to learn random matches isn’t going to keep the audience.
Tony needs to learn that investing more time and money into the awful ideas of the Bucks and Jericho isn’t doing his company any favors either.
AEW ratings have always been overinflated because of the lead in from The Big Bang Theory, the actual pillars of AEW... 🤷♂️
The truth is that AEW dropped the ball when the WWE was at its worst. They had all the hype, all the goodwill, and then went and made a ridiculous clown show that turned people away within the first month.
Yes, WWE being good again is obviously hurting them, but things would be different if they hadn't failed so hard at locking in an audience before that.
Poor Bryan i see sadness in his eyes 😢
AEW had started to suck a full year before Vince retired the first time. Most people just didn’t notice because WWE was so unwatchable. Once HHH started putting on good shows it really shed a light on all the flaws AEW had
Tk is in over his head. Swerve vs okada no real build. Just gonna waste it. Bryan winning over hangman makes sense if swerve isnt the champion.
I'm AEW fan, but I don't think there's anything they can do. People care about WWE. The three letters are not WWE, then most people don't care. And I don't see how AEW can combat that. No matter what AEW does it will never be good enough.
Pretty much. Wwe has decades over them. Personally I've never saw a point in comparing the two. I simply watch both and more but most won't commit that kinda time.
So you're saying booking 'dream matches' every week actually isn't good booking? What a shock!
Everyone has said for years Tony needs more actual good stories and all the reply has been was 'you don't like real wrestling' 'go back to the fed' and now the chickens go home to roost and the ratings are in the mud you finally realise it
Jay white regreting signing with aew
If only Bryan would have thia exact conversation with Uncle Dave
Dave talks too much to get a word in edgeways
Bryan just sits there while Dave spews his bullshit
AEW will never overtake or consistently beat WWE. Same way PFL/Bellator never would beat UFC. They’re for a niche group of people who care about the wrestling matches/fights regardless of what promotion they’re happening at. AEW is a good thing to have around because I think that’s what got WWE back on track because competition pushes both sides to be better. AEW needs a good writer to come in and create stories that people will care and want to tune in every week to see for months at a time. Otherwise it’s just going to be the diehard group of fans who only care about seeing good matches. That’s great for the fans who enjoy that but it’s hard to pull in new viewers that are gona consistently come back to watch the next week
Yes, WWE fans went to AEW when WWE was bad.
It couldn’t be that those same fans returned to WWE because AEW is now bad?
Bryan actually got to the heart of it. The show is bad because wrestlers are having matches without interesting storylines.
NXT is a much better show dynamite after tony khan aired the all-in footage in attempt to expose CM punk because of something he said during the ariel helwani interview it's all been downhill after that the ratings are declining the intrest in the overall product is down everyone's talking positively about WWE and if they're talking about AEW it's negative i enjoy NXT more than dynamite especially with the TNA partnership how is it that it's working for NXT but when AEW did it 4-years ago it failed it's a struggle for me to watch dynamite at this point i only watch reviews and skip dynamite entirely.
Remember......He was "Skeeerid!" 🤣👎
@@robertcrist5747lol which was proven to be a massive lie they aired the all-in footage thinking that WWE was going to fire punk but nope that completely backfired in a hilarious way plus punk is in two big feuds one with drew McIntyre that's been building since the Men's royal rumble match and another with seth that's been building since punk returned at survivor series man aew has gotten very boring ever since then at this point I've given up on AEW i only watch dynamite reviews since I enjoy that more.
Remember when y'all made fun of nxt rebranding.....look how things have played out ..aew is now a joke,nxt is growing
@@khesipresents1885I agree 100% plus NXT is working with TNA how is it that it's working out for them but when AEW did it 4-years ago it went absolutely nowhere?
@@benespinosa6725 y'all thought nxt 2.0 was a joke..now jokes on you nxt guys look more ready to be in main roster than black and gold guys did
You know AEW is complete shit when even these paid employees are turning on the product
Okada just like Mercedes Mone, just aren’t interesting nor do they have good promo skills. With those already against them, having to try and make Tony Kahn storyline and booking
Look decent is a no win situation! The only storyline that has ever been good was MJF and Adam Cole as well as Christian vs Adam Copeland!
I love how Dave immediately posted how NXT barely beat them by a couple thousand viewers in 18-49. A thing he never posts when AEW wins by .01 but loses in overall
Dave is a tool for aew
yeah he did that 3 weeks ago when aew barely beat them by .01
Who’s this guy on the ‘board’ who was mad at AEW losing to NXT? My guy, you are part of the problem AEW keeps going down
You are confused. The guy on the board was angry at Bryan “making excuses” for AEW’s fall.
The AEW problem can be solved easily: Let someone else book the show!
Tony Khan will reject that suggestion and gonna keeps playing the "dream match" exhibition every week with zero storyline inside it
Now imagine Fulham or Jags sacks Marco Silva or Doug Pederson, and let Tony Khan runs both teams as their "leader", this exact problems are happening in AEW for years....
Just let people who competent in booking storyline as the headbooker
How in the world do u guys know the age of people watching on tv like wtf????
Yeah cause that Wednesday Night wwe show is just hammering Dynamite. Aew needs to stop blaming wwe and just look themselves in the mirror
I’d get the idea of Raw or SmackDown beating AEW because of storylines and the like, but NXT has to be the weakest weekly show in that regard amongst the bunch for me.
I think it’s a really simple thing to look at these numbers and say “well WWE does storylines and AEW doesn’t” but that’s simply not true. Right now AEW has a great women’s feud for the first time in ages, maybe ever. They have a champ everyone has been clamoring to see get a strong push, they have a strong secondary feud brewing with MJF and Ospreay, and that’s not even naming everything they have going on that’s been good.
I think the bigger issue is AEW had split the audience with the Punk stuff and followed that up with one of their weaker half years in history so a lot of people just never went back.
It’s a lot easier to get away with promoting big matches as one offs every week when you have momentum and the other side is just going through the same bland motions. But when the other product is hot it doesn’t matter how good your week to week is (because I still find Dynamite to be the best weekly show out there even if Im much more into Raw and SmackDown than I ever used to be)
Bryan Alvarez getting cooked by his co-host lmao.
it's a good job ratings don't matter or this would be REALLY embarrassing for AEW, right?
At this point a Mud Show at the County Fair would draw more than Dynamite and Rampage put together. Funny......Seems like yesterday Punk was drawing over a million on Collison before the Kookamonga Kids got their hands on it......But Tiny Tony was "Skeeeerid!" 😑👈
weird comment but ok
Playing Cornett bingo, kookamunga kids, ok, mud show, got it, tiny tony, yep. Dang all I needed was either
"Pockets, or lazy booking" and I would have got a bingo
The last collision punk appeared on didn't sell out
Focus Mane
These guys really still don't get it...
Yeah they do.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 hi alverass's butt plug 🤣