How To Make Amp Sims Sound More Realistic.
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2022
- In this video, I look at how to make amp sims sound more realistic.
There is so much choice out there for guitar amp simulators, I hear ofter people say that amp sims do not sound or feel like a real guitar amp. My trick to remedy this is to use a Tube Screamer-style pedal before the amp. In this video, I look at an Ibanez Tube Screamer, a Xotic BB Preamp, and a Jam Pedals Double Dreamer.
Reverb Link To Xotic BB Preamp
reverb.grsm.io/BBPREAMP
Reverb Link To Ibanez Tube Screamer
reverb.grsm.io/tubescreamer1416
Reverb Link To Jam Pedals Double Dreamer
reverb.grsm.io/DOUBLEDREAMER
The Studio Rats are core band members Paul Drew on guitar/production/mixing, drummer James Ivey and Dan Hawkins on bass. They collaborate with singers and musicians to produce radio-ready songs.
Excellent video, as always.
Hearing your take on the best effects in different DAW’s would be super interesting. Cheers.
Amazing!
Best of the best guitar tone here on UA-cam.
Don't need to say that you play flawless.
HX Stomp amp sim user here: my trick is this. I use a really clean amp-in-a-box style overdrive stacked with either a Blues Breaker or Klon and run that into my Empress compressor for some super light compression. Then it hits my relatively clean amp sim in the stomp. I use a separate amp head and IR block. Then I put a little room reverb to taste after to simulate amp in a room. It's pretty dang convincing, especially as opposed to if I just used the amp sim on its own.
that lp is set up, intonation wise, amazing. great plug in tones too
Smoothest runs as always…👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Exactly hat kind of advice I needed in my tone chasing time ;) Thanks!
Not only with amp sims but also with IR's it's working pretty good (tighter bottom end with TS on driven amp).
I can always count on you guys for amazing tips. Bring on the fav plugin video.........please :)
Wow it really does make its sound more analog can't wait to try this👍 Awesome Video
Once again, a jar full of goodies in this video, Paul. I really like the look of Ampire. I’d love to see any videos on your DAWs, effects, attenuators etc. I learn so much from you Paul. I’m surprised you don’t do more vids on your playing and technique, your playing is stellar. I think you have some the best tones of any guitar player. Keep em coming!
Cheers Gary.
you can simply crank any compressor before hitting pedals and amps to get a pump easy playing fat tubish tone
Ampire's own pedal emulations work great too.. That marshall amp, low input, almost clean sound.. boost that with wildrive pedal, volume max, gain to taste. Such a dynamic crunch sound, love it.
Your playing is so clean. V good. 👍
Another Great Video Paul really like the Double Dreamer, your favourite plugins would also be a Video I would be very interested in, maybe the other Rat subscribers could feedback with their Favourites too ?
Amazing sound.
One question..
Are you using a DIrect Box to plugin the pedals into the audio interface?
Great channel, keep at it!!!!
Thanks, will do!
Hi Paul, always like your vids and tx again for this. I run a variety of setups: 1) Line6 pod go into a Focusrite and using Reaper as DAW on PC, or 2) Marshall combo via 2-Notes captor instead of pod go into same setup. I'm an elect. eng. by training so glad to hear someone actually mention aliasing. I find with all this digital processing there always seems to be a lot of high-end fizz and to lesser extent, low-end flub and prob. no doubt due to aliasing. I usually put a low+hi cut filter at end of my podgo chain (as per Jason Sadites vids explain) and add a similar filter and low compression cockos plugins in the chain in Reaper. Seems to sound ok but i'm completely self taught and only going by what i've learnt over the years on UA-cam. Any recommendations re. setting up this kind of rigs would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise tx again and hi from Brisbane, Oz.
This is super interesting / I’ve tried the virtual pedals and haven’t felt like they were that great. I will have to give this a shot! Sounded great to my ears. So it’s just the pedal straight into your interface?
I always use multieffect pedal with ocd pedal in front is changes everything 🙂sound so much better👊
Great video!!
I have the katana 50mkII and looking for pedal effects. Which one you recommend boss gt1 or Nux MG-30? Or any other you think would be good for a beginner?
Sick Paisley strat! I too go into my amp ims with real pedals. makes a world of differece
Great tips here. I have been using amp sims more and more in recording out of convenience. I am a composer/guitarist, and it is just a bit of a time saver to use amp sims. In addition, you can swap out your sound later. I would love to see if there is anything useful in Logic Pro X for guitar- or ways to make it useful
Excellent video and excellent playing and very well explained.
Question Please:
I bought last week a modeler pedal (Valeton GP-200) and it sound's great on many UA-cam demos. However, it sound's terrible plugging it into my console. (Amp & Cab sims on or off....still terrible).
My friend's Line 6 PodGo also sounds terrible into a mixer. Do modeler pedals sound better if going direct into a DAW? There must be some reason both my GP-200 and the PodGo sound really bad into a mixer. (Note: It's a pro level mixer, not budget). We tried both mixer line inputs and DI box, doesn't seem to matter.
I am very frustrated I cannot get a decent sound, when I've seen both these units sound great in many unbiased demos...Excellent video as always. Thanks.
Phil
NYC Area
Yes please to effect’s video!
Any advice on stopping feedback with plugins please? Did you do the favourite pedals post after?
You get such a nice tension on your drive tones Paul, snappy and 'Flubless' which is what I've been striving for, for years. Is it down then to the Pedals your using 'Outboard'? If so it's a must to get them.
Great video! I have just started experimenting with pedals before my DAW. QUESTION: How are you connecting them to your DAW? Pedal directly to Interface or some kind of DI? THANKS!
I used to connect the pedal right to the interface but recently I added an active DI.
Aside from a tiny bit of low mid frequencies increase I didn't notice a significant difference really .
It also depends on your interface if it's a decent one with HiZ input a DI won't make a big difference.
Would you consider making another video with bb preamp and S-gear or some other amp sim?
Will definitely love to know your fav plugin/DAW effects!
Thanks for the video Paul!
Just to ensure I got the takeaway right - you're saying that putting an analog drive pedal - TS specifically - in front of a digital amp sim will help remove the digital aliasing/artifacts? Will using built in drive simulations (say within the AXE-FX) have the same outcome or does it need to be an external analog drive?
I don’t think the Axe Fx needs to do that. It sounds great to my ears and I can’t hear any of the issues I talked about in the video. However I did a gig on Saturday with an axe fx 3 and I used a vertex dumble style pedal for the drive tones and really liked it, but I could have used the internal drives and been just as happy.
@@TheStudioRats - thanks Paul!
Let me rephrase to get to my actual question - is it an analog circuit that "helps solve the digital aliasing" - or is a TS circuit that helps a Marshall style digital amp sim - or is it more about the low frequency rolloff that benefits the Marshall amp sim?
That P90 semi-hollow Strat is PHENOMENAL!!!! That's one of my all-time favorites I've ever seen!
Also - thank you for your "to the point" content on common guitar tone issues/topics. I really enjoy your channel!
So, use a pedal before going into the DAW. Gotta try that if I ever start using plugins for the amp tone instead of an amp. Thanks!
and what about using a plugin of a tube screamer? it is not the same?
Do you ahve a tutorial section, you ahve some serious skills there dude.
It does sound much better when using the bb preamp. My question is what interface are you using? When I read up on this further I find that my interface has a preamp built in. Are you plugging I to line level or anything else we shod know? Thanks so much for the info!
As far as I know, every audio interface has a pre amp built on.
can you please tell me what interface are you using?
Given the Tube Screamer is a relatively simple bit of equipment (compared to an amp) would it be reasonable to assume a high quality Tube Screamer emulation such as the UAD plugin (or even a pedal like what's in Amplitube) achieve a similar result?
Yes although the extra analog stage makes it more authentic, at least to my ears.
how do you adjust your noise floor when using an amp sim and why amp sim noise floors are way more apparent than real amps?
*Do you think the same affect can be achieved with an ART TubeMPPS Project Series Tube Microphone Preamplifier...? What are your thoughts on the use of a tube preamp for this application?*
Please make another video like this with amplitube 5
Maybe a stupid question, but if you run that into an interface, doesn't the fact that you have to adjust the input level on the interface prevent you from overdriving the virtual amp?
This is the most important factor in making these sims work properly in my opinion.
I have a Katana MKi question. I have played with the 3 chains I have available but still can’t stop the delay on my lead tone from showing up on the rhythm track when using a looper. I have a ditto in the loop and lay down a phrase with channel A2 (no delay) and start looping it. However when I switch over to channel A4 (dirtier and with delay) the delay shows up on the rhythm track too. Any help?? Thanks in advance - great channel too.
From memory you need the 4 cable method. Don't just put it in the loop.
Of all the amp plugins, which would you say suffer the least from this aliasing issue? I would have thought given that Axe FX III is just algorithms that somebody would have put that level of realism into a plugin by now.
If you haven't come across an answer to this yet, the neural DSP plugins are pretty amazing. They have a few now that are not metal amps, so something for everyone!
My experience with sims is that you need a healthy input level, I have use a tube microphone pre-amp by Art or Beheringer and set the input on the tube just before it breaks up, then be sure to do the gain staging on the output and input on your pc right. You will now have a tube saturated guitar tone, which is nice because you have more harmonic overtones. I have most guitar amp sims and TH3 I found is the best for me, I also think that amplitube sounds good but is more tedious to work with and they also try to sell their software by limiting options in the UI..
No disrespect with your theory, but I believe it's wrong.
That aliasing sound you're demonstrating around 1:36-1:39 it happens with all hi-gain tube amps or pedals, when the bass is turned up too much.
Hence the "cure all solution" for the famous Rectifier chugging riffs is to use a boost pedal (with the gain turned all the way down) to tighten the lows and to get rid of that flubby-wooshy sound .
Almost all my hi-gain tube amps or pedals are "suffering" from that sound. Anyone can try it and hear for himself/herself :)
Straight to the interface?
Does it also work on effect units like kemper, quad cortex, ...? Or is there not that much difference?
Give it a go.
*what about an in expensive ART TUBEPREAMP*
How about using a wah?
Hi, can i use mic front of studio monitor while recording amp sim? Is this possible
Sure, it’s not common to do so, but you could. Unless you want to record the sound of the amp in your room by moving the mic far from the speakers I dont really think you’ll have any benefit.
@@TheStudioRats Thanks for reply. My issue is the amp sim sound great in head phone and speaker too but when exporting audio file the sound like missing effects and artificial tone not the same like demo videos sound which is great and real tone Something like sound came out from studio monitor to video directly without mixing. I learned a lot about mastering and mixing but no luck to get good final audio . So im trying to find way to capture sound from speaker directly. Thanks a lot and I'm sorry for my English language not perfect
my problem with plugins is lag - guitar is going straight to the audio interface (steinberg ur22) then USB to the computer - even when using stand alone plugins - Bias FX2 and Amplion (free version) I get that horrid nano second between strumming and hearing the note or chord - where does that come from?
you can reduce the latency at a cost of your CPU utilization. The more or heavier VST will cause some unwanted sound when your CPU load reach its limit. You just need to find the right sweet spot when you do live monitoring. help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209072289-How-to-reduce-latency
Go into the settings for your interface and adjust your latency settings, like your sample rate, try 128. The lower the better, If you hear pops and clicks you went too low for your interface and or computer, you will have go up a little ata time until the noise goes away
I think a lot of people maybe blame latency, when the problem may be elsewhere? It's probably not too difficult to get sub 10ms latency with a decent CPU and setup. Sounds travels at 330m/s, so 10ms worth of latency is the equivalent of standard about 3m (10ft) in front of your speaker cab. Don't hear too many guitarists complaining about latency when they're standing on stage in front of a guitar amp. Wondering if the problem with feel might be more about the emulation than latency? Some just seem to sound flat and dull....
I use sgear, never had this problem
@@PainterDans thanks! I am definitely going to try that
Oh, glad someone is trying to put to use probably one of the worst amp sims so far :D their Marshall and Fender sims are so pigeonholed, that they only do crunch (former) and clean (latter) no matter how you set them up, even though that's not how these amps work... Their Vox, Recto and Ampeg sims are somewhat better in this regard. Basically your answer is to use analog dirt....? ;)
Nice tip but you still have aliasing.
All due respect, and I admire youe playing, but adding more harmonics b4 an amp sim can only increase potential aliasing. I haven't used the sim in this video, but most other amp sims use oversampling to elmilinate aliasing. It's very unlikely ther will be audible alising in sim running internally at say 384kHz no matter how much staturation occurs. I don't think aliasing is what we are hearing with this sim, and it would decrease as the notes die out because less high harmonics are generated. It sounds more like the graininess of a low biased preamp tube, amp section crossover distortion, or AC ripple intermodulation-- all of which are present in real amps.
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*So purchased a Keeley Katana Mini and no matter where in the chain I placed it, the moment I clicked in a high gain setting on my Neural DSP VST, the Katana just BUZZED REALLY LOUD. I tried removing all other pedals out of the chain, changing the source of power ETC, any advice?*
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