WWSD rifle | 12.5" Commando setup
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- This was a fun project :)
My WWSD Commando rifle is short, super light and nimble. It's easy to carry, fast to point and great to shoot. I love how it turned out.
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ATF agents are big sad right now after they googled that Slovenia isn't a U.S. state.
Me after seeing the thumbnail: "ah, surely he'll buy a shorter barrel and handguard from Faxon."
*Slovenian elf with hacksaw enters video*
Hacksaw works fine. Doesn’t really matter how you chop the barrel initially as long as it’s reasonably square. You’re squaring and crowning after that. Good as new.
If you're really quiet during the hacksaw scenes, you can just hear Ian, Karl and Russel crying.
Na probably just Karl... Never waste a good opportunity to be really offended while not really being offended! 🙃
I really doubt Ian would care. The other 2 idk
I can just hear the ATF going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
@@berryreading4809you should say that in AZ
@@berryreading4809 What is this meant to be referencing?
Watching that barrel chop job felt like someone was rubbing cigarette ash in my eyes.
One of the more common ways many folks do it. Doesn’t matter one iota as you’re squaring and crowning the barrel afterwords anyways. Hacksaw, bandsaw, lathe, whatevs.
Gunsmiff achievement unlocked 👍🏻
Gonsmif
He still looks like the Son of the President of Ukraine.
😎.
"I used a hack saw and my autistic powers" is going to be how I describe me doing anything anytime someone asks me how I do something.
Hahaha I loved when he said that
Put that on a t-shirt... It will sell like pancackes...
Love it
Ooo I'm an Aspie, I'mma use that from now on too 😂 "By my autistic powers combined! I am somewhat socially functional!" *Plays theme music
Ya I’m going use that.
When the WWSD becomes an XM-177 clonish.
Ish
I'd be a bit worried about the stock. It is designed to withstand repeated impacts from the buffer during cycling and under spring tension all the time.
But now it just lost over an inch of reinforcement.
ish ish ish
I can only respect the amount of dedication it takes to hack through the barrel with a hand saw
It was surprisingly easy - i thought barrels would be made from harder steel
I pushed a jewelers saw to cut through a 3/4 inch steel square bar to open up a slot drilled into it. Poor saw was only meant to be used on 1mm thick stock.
@@PolenarTactical So Wolfenstein WAS right...
@@PolenarTacticalI thought the barrel would be easy considering it's a pencil type
When WWSD meets WWŽD.
Best comment 🏆
Ian is rolling over in his Kilt right now.
Check out his Commando setup... mine is better 😆
As a very mechanically challenged person I appreciate this video.
Plus the funny warm feeling from 12.5 being perfectly legal in the EU.
More hacksaw tech. I dig it.
Finally someone else does a commando version of the WWSD besides Ian. Wish there was an airsoft version
Jari from Varusteleka also turned his into commando version :)
That feel when NFA...
Was gonna say, this setup would have me saying RIP doggo
This is amazing. Great job
Thanks! :)
Great job, yes.
Amazing? No.
@@glennmuir5617 banned!
Perfect, now install a forward assist, add a Cary handle with windage and elevation, forward post will help too, swap the fiberglass foregrip for a quad rail, change the pencil barrel for something heavier, lastly make it 3round burst
Sounds awful
You sound like you could out do mcnamara
Žiga cuts the barrel
Americans reaction: you did what in your garage
European firearm owner reaction: yeah thats fine
Shortening the barrel changes the dwell time but not the max pressure, so if was that crazy high, it does make sense you still ended up needing the adjustable gas block.
The barrel has a 2mm gas hole drilled - probably intended for an adjustable gas block from the start
"What would stoner do?" The SR15. He helped make the KAC SR15.
This, this is what freedom looks like.
Would really like to see a WWSD in this year's Finnish Brutality
Maybe, depends on what kind of theme we will decide for this year :)
If you have a Melania theme we’ll all get to use it
It turned out well dude!! Nicely done!!!
Thanks!
5:30 it’s more rigid as a shorter barrel as the whip at the end of the barrel creates less of a moment around the muzzle
that's my understanding
Yes, "bad harmonics" as it´s called (unvanted vibration) is what causes it.
I've heard reloaders have better luck with longer barrels, as the resonance frequency is greater with a longer barrel, making it easier to find the peaks of the waveform (node as reloaders call it, anti-node or maxima as physicists call it). I think a more rigid barrel shoots better across multiple loads. But long thin barrels can be tuned more easily. Not really relevant to most people for ARs, just an interesting topic
@@coltonb9194 long thin barrels? As far as i know all high precision shooter prefer thick and heavy barrels because of rigidity. Length only comes in question for long ranges where highest possible muzzle velocity is desired.
The extreme of these you can see with benchrest where they have crazy thick barrels and those guys are after the ultimate accuracy
Heresy! I love it
That came out nice! Sweet set up,the power of the Hack saw!
What in the Fallout gunsmithing was this…… I LOVE IT!!!!!
5:32 I'm not an expert, but I believe I understand why that happens and I can explain it simply
The longer the barrel is, the more tension it is under, because it's bending under its own weight, even if you can't see it with a naked eye, but this is more noticeable in thinner barrels for obvious reasons.
If we make the barrel shorter - we shorten the lever and that tension goes away, which means we can bring out everyone's favourite HARMONICS of the barrel.
So, basically, shortening the barrel the way you did, improved harmonics and therefore accuracy
This is called professional gunsmithing, it works and good
The WWSD Commando rifle looks like a dream for maneuverability and speed. The compact design and lightweight build make it perfect for quick target acquisition and tight situations. Definitely a setup I'd trust in any close-quarters scenario.
It almost feels like a toy and is nice to shoot. It's probably not the best choice for harsh combat conditions but it would definitely do well in CQB
During WW 2, a British commando is trained to drop into France and sabotage the enemy. He is given full training, and in his last session, he is told where he will be dropped and that a bicycle will be there for him so he will be able to move around easily.
As he gets ready in the plane to jump out, he is told that he has a backup parachute in case the main one doesn't work.
As he jumps out of the plane, the parachute doesn't open, so he tries to open the backup chute. That also fails to open. As he's falling down, he says to himself, " This is just great! With my luck, the bike isn't there either."
Love it! I didn't like the WWSD rifle initially, but this version i would buy.
Your rifle looks real slick, now! Nice!
He's a mad man.... A MAD MAN. I love it.
Seeing the weight set off my lick of the tysm, noice.
The ATF is dying inside because you’re not in America
They so want to shoot his dog.
Dude this is amazing. Thought this was a new model at first lol
Ziga out here just gunna rizzem with the tisim
Oh gods Ziga. I had not expected that watching you with that hacksaw on that weapon would be so painful.
You will then love our next video 😆
@@PolenarTactical I somehow suspect not. Did you get tickets for FB or are your participation a given?
@@PalleRasmussen i have a reserved spot in the media squad - i will be there :)
So what if I understand you here, a desert eagle would be lighter with a short butt stock and a silencer? Awesome, where do we get one? Another great video guys, great work!
If you want a better adjustable tooless gasblock take a look at the riflespeed adjustable gas block. Iv got 3 on my rifles and they work awesome and easy to maintain and clean.
Happy Birthday Žiga.🎉
Thank you! 😁
@@PolenarTacticalNever give up. We love you.🤟😎
Nice to see Primary Arms
Crazy that this hacksaw is a felony stateside. 😢
In europe it should apply in every country how long gun(rifle,shotgun)
have 600mm overall and 300mm for barrel.
So in that sense we can have about 11.8 inch barrel and still call it a normal rifle.
It’ll get you ruby ridged here
@@Kesssuli
While that is true about the length, shortening the barrel requires a new proofing since a pressure involved part was changed and the save function has to be tested. The chopping itself has to be done by a licensed gunsmith too.
@@onpsxmember I think those have more to do with local laws than EU level.
Least in here if you change barrel and do other radical changes then it had to be
a proofed if you plan to sell it.
For personal use that is not recuired.
Also i dont think it is recuired by law that you cant chop a barrel by yourself but
of course it is strongly recommend to leave that to professionals.
It's not crazy.
It's called incremental tyranny, and it actually very clever.
If they keep it up, they might convince enough Americans to vote for the repeal of the 2A entirely.
Honestly, they could almost do it now, judging by the amount of people who vote anti gun.
awesome gun!
My PSA upper had the same wiggle and iverhassing issues. I’ve also had the idea of shortening the barrel for dwell time lol. Not to downplay these rifles too hard, sometimes things slip through the cracks
Thank you for the shout out!
You bet!
LMAO you're a savage for filming cutting a barrel 😂
We made a whole video about that - coming up in a week or so
@@PolenarTactical #Sheenius
The original M16A1 had a length of pull of 32,7cm. The M16A2 and WWSD have 34,3cm. So congrats to KE Arms who went against what Stoner would do, in order for many people to revert it into what Stoner actually would do.
A1 is a modification
Hes a heckin gunsmiff boiii
You should consider looking at a Riflespeed gas block since they don't require any tools to adjust their settings.
Awesome mods
Watching that barrel get chopped felt like the dirtiest thing I’ve seen on UA-cam and that’s saying something.
Commando! Commando!
I like that alot. Good job.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it
Very nice.
Need right now.
I thought the reason those use a carbine spring and buffer is that they had to build up the back end of the buffer 'tube' to handle the stress of functioning. I hope that cutting some of that off doesn't affect safety.
You can’t go shorter than this. One section of the reinforcement ribs is still intact.
Super TIGHT! nice job SDI😅
They already manufacture that handguard in the same length!!
Red neck eu edition?
yes!
Reminds me of the “entry” stocks of yesteryear.
Did you thread the barrel with a hacksaw as well😅
I like it, and have thought about doing it. However, I despise the grip angle.
Really nice mod🐸🍺🔪🔥
imagine being able to do all this to your rifle and still not say out loud that you are the "land of the freedom"
Nice!
Thanks!
I suppose the question is with such a short barrel and a suppressor would .300 blk make more sense?
I got the FDE. I don't understand why they get any hate? I think adjustable gas block is a must, but alao remember the Bootleg BCG that is four position selectable with 2 unsuppressed and 2 suppressed settings.
From what i gather they get hate because of Karl and some thing that he once said on the internet, the other apparent issue is that the KP-15 lowers might break under very low temperatures. For my use the rifle is great and winters in Slovenia aren't cold enough to make me worry
As a shorter guy I value this highly.
Accuwedge is a couple of bucks takes about a second to install and is completely reversible should you get a different upper that doesn't need it. That said we often see set screws that push up on the rear takedown lug of the upper on high end lowers. So this is a common issue that has a few fixes.
I tried the accuwedge first but it didnt completely eliminate the side to side movement. Shim now made it rock solid
@@PolenarTactical yeah many upgraded AR lowers have a set screw with delrin tip that allows you to set push the set screw up against the rear take down lug, just like the accu wedge does. Since its a screw you can really get a tight fit between upper and lower. It would have been nice for the WWSD lowers but it would have required putting in a threaded insert into the lower which would have driven up cost.
5:35 Deflection of the barrel at the end is less with a shorter barrel with the same bending stiffness as a longer barrel? Would this apply the same when comparing a heavier barrel and that same barrel chopped down then?
The idea is that a long thin barrel bends and vibrates more so when you shorten it you actually increase stiffness.
If you have a long but heavy barrel that is already quite stiff, cutting it would still increase the stiffness but the effect on target would probably not be noticeable. Also cutting the barrel too short can cause it's own problems regarding the velocity and ability to stabilize the bullet
Can you do a:
Cold weather torture test with this lower.???
Worried cold temperatures will make it brittle
Cant wait for Ian to roast this too
To shim between my upper and lower receivers i use a bicycle inner tube. I cut to size i would need just for the front pivot pin and it works great. A RANGER showed me that trick when I was in Afghanistan.
Were you a good cook?
@@JoshJones-37334 no but your mom was.
@@brazzy1467 she ate your parents?
Grunf from Alan Ford comic would be proud
Hey, 1 question : I've seen some US videos with guys in "cold states", making heavy duty training with it, they had crackles on multiples KP-15/WWSD => you had no issue with that?
(you or the gunsmith you mention for the butt-cut)
No issue with that in Slovenian winter or for Finnish Brutality?
No issues for slovenian winter and i havent brought this rifle to Finland yet.
There were a couple of comments mentioning this about the KP-15 lower so i guess that could be a potential issue
@@PolenarTactical thaaaaaanks
the freedoms people have outside of the USA are just awesome!!!!! law makers in the USA watch way too many movies.
Dude needs an electric powersaw with all that cutting 😂
Is that Breek warhammer charging handle I see? If so how has it been holding up. Because I bought one but haven’t been able to put it through its paces until I complete my build.
No problems yet at around 2k rounds. But i doubt it would stand up well to rough handling as it seems very thin and a bit fragile
@@PolenarTactical Thank you very much for the reply. I’ll try to keep that tidbit of information stored away. Great video as always!
What did you do with the handguard mounting that you mention. It's one of the points on my WWSD builds that I'm not completely happy with. Haven't had a problem yet, but just seems like it could be stronger, and I kind of doubt it'd hold a reasonable zero, which limits the roles for those guns.
Mine had too long screws that attached the carbon fibre sleeve to the aluminum block and they would interfere in properly centering and tightening of the handguard.
But no matter what you will do, this handguard will not hold zero - the mounting system was not made for that
Thanks! I thought maybe you'd come up some magic, but yeah, there are always tradeoffs. Sadly I'll have to keep tweaking several more rifles to have ones perfect for every situation. Shorter + can looks like a pretty compelling solution for this platform when using a pencil barrel and this type of handguard mounting. My wife's build is *just* under 5lb with the 16" integrated slim comp, but I bet she'd get better trained faster without the blast from that thing.
I'd like to cut down my stock too. Which exact recoil pad did you use?
PACHMAYR D200B/D500B ULTRA-LIGHT FIELD PAD
Was this the Faxon barrel or the Ballistic Advantage?
And yeah. the epoxy used for those endcaps were no joke. I'm not surprised if you had difficulty in removing it! :D
I always thought it was Faxon but SinistralRifleman corrected me that it's probably Ballistic Advantage
Either way it was severely overgassed. I suspect the gas hole on the barrel was made to be used with an adjustable gas block from the start
@@PolenarTactical that would make sense, depending on when and where you got it from. Latter production and Euro Brownell's, iirc, shifted to BA, and were much improved, and had less felt recoil than even the Faxon barrels, hence the surprise at your comment regarding felt recoil.
Given just how light they are to begin with, I can imagine you're still probably getting a bit of gas with it, honestly. Great job on the DIY E93 chop, btw.
The barrel shortening and getting more accuracy thing is a real classic. That´s how the old Ruger mini-14s used to work. It sounds counter intuitive to get more accuracy from a shorter barrel but it´s because the barrel is bad to begin with. Long thin barrels with bad harmonics = garbage accuracy. The shortening takes the bad harmonics (vibration) out of it and you get more accuracy. Now guys please dont go shorten all your barrels... if you have a good barrel longer is better. The shortening for accuracy only works on some bad barrels.
Not just bad barrels, but long and thin barrels.
Same thing would apply to a thick long barrel but if its already rigid enough for high accuracy, you wont really notice any change shortening it.
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Whats the lower?
Wait I know he changed the gas block to an adjustable one. But shortening the barrel would make the over gas problem worse? Am I wrong?
The barrel has a gas hole drilled into it at the position where the gas block sits. This hole was waaay too big on the european WWSD which meant it was sending a lot of high pressure gas back through the gas tube. If you shorten the barrel you shorten the length of barrel that the bullet travels after it passes the gas hole - and the hot gasses are only creating pressure in the gas system until the bullet leaves the barrel, then they are wented out of the muzzle. This time of bullet going pass the gas hole and still traveling in the barrel is called "dwell time".
If you shorten the barrel, you reduce dwell time which reduces the time gasses are pushing through the system.
So shortening the barrel will reduce gas
Ziga gets to flex and show what the US could be like without the ATF
Any idea how much you shortened the stock by?
His dog has never been happier to know they don't live in America.
What is the name of the trigger
I’m also going commando today.
So is your mom. Chapped
Ziag... does Manca know you've gone Commando?
Ok super good opportunity to talk about suppressors. What is the advantage of a 12ish inch 556 rifle with a can vs a 16 inch rifle? (assuming everything else the same)
I presume you almost never shoot it without the can because you'd need to change the gas setting and it would be crazy loud. Since there isn't subsonic 555, the two are the same length, there's no flash on the 16" barrel with the right flash hider, and the 12" suppressed definitely isn't hearing safe, what's the benefit being suppressed?
Haven't shot it a lot but even without the suppressor it's fine, as long as it has a good flashhider on. The suppressor in the video is a conventional one and it combined with overgassed WWSD it creates a lot of blowback gasses. So if i want to shoot it comfortably i have to dial the gas down quite substantially.
So now im looking into getting a small flow through can that will hopefully work on the same gas setting as unsupressed.
The advantages of a 12"rifle with a suppressor vs a 16" rifle with a suppressor are that it's shorter, lighter and more maneuverable. Downside is reduced velocity because of a shorter barrel.
.223 can't be made hearing safe because the supersonic crack will always be too loud. Making it subsonic would be impossible to make it cycle and reduce the energy of the bullet to .22lr
We use suppressors because they reduce the sound signature and muzzle blast - it makes it more pleasant to shoot and there is no need to have doubled up hearing protection when shooting indoors
@@PolenarTacticalThat was the crux of it, does the can make it nicer to shoot (at least indoors) than the extra barrel length. From what you've said I think the answer is yes.
@@stug77 oh yes, absolutely
Suppressors make it much nicer to shoot if the rifle isn't too overgassed
Don't let the gun snobs see that they might die
im going commando right now
What length of barrel is it in the end?
around 12"
Nice in 6.8 SPC
DIY FTW!
Russell Phagan of KE Arms would be curious about how it structurally holds up with the plastic being chopped off. The whole reason, according to Phagan, that they went with a carbine length buffer is to make sure there is enough material behind the buffer tube.
Shortening this way might be fine in terms of using the gun but it might just make it a tiny bit more fragile though that would be it.
On the KE site it states they won't provide support for stock chops but he also endorses and supports the E93 chopped version from what I have seen. There may be a professional partnership and mutual understanding there between he and Joe wrt the allowable amount of material to be removed.
Oh don't you worry. I am sure Russell is going to be commenting on this video.
He already did. Says there's one section of reinforcement left, and that you can't go any shorter.
Did shortening the barrel affect bullet stabilization?
no
What are you tryna say? Hack saw not good enough for you?