No Caravan for less bugs would have probably been a worthy trade off, Caravan is cool and all but I like being able to play for an hour without crashing
It's the same thing with gwent in Witcher. It's such a complete break from the rest of the game. Devs, just make a separate card game if you like this so much.
Yeah it wasn't a good trade. The achievement for playing 30 hands of caravan is like the least obtained achievement in fallout nv and I feel like anyone who does have it only played to get that achievement lol
Wow this was a gold mine of an interview. Not only from the perspective of a fallout fan, but from the perspective of an artist, a writer, a programmer, and a team manager as well. We have thousands of books on how to be a good film director, hundreds of thousands on how to be a good author, but its these little bits of advice from the unsung greats that keep video game writing an advancing art form. Thanks for it
I'm glad you enjoyed it from multiple perspectives. Chris has a wealth of experience and knowledge, I simply crafted questions that allowed him to poetically wax on these subjects, but thank you for your gratitude.
‘At the end of the day, the core game should of been released in a better state, and we have no one else to blame but ourselves.’ That right there is why consumers still support Black Isle/Obsidian studios, they have always focused around their mechanics and making the best out of their game, taking the time they need to be able to finish, in short, I think obsidian had took a note on NV when in development, considering that Bethesda had rushed them, they have learned and gained patience to finish their game and go on to say ‘When it’s done, its done.’ And that I support
Such and insightful guy, so much experience with the good and the bad. That villain / rival bit was really good. Reminds of a major gripe with Fo4 factions. We simply cannot influence, reason with, or change their minds in the slightest. Perhaps linked to the player-character not being that big a deal, like he mentioned - the factions aren't obsessed or even care if the sole-survivor is with them or against them - outside of gameplay purposes s/he's not special and realistically irrelevant. The writing part speaks to Fo76's hours upon hours of endless and often pointless holo-tape prattling, quantity can hurt if it's not practical. I wonder if those 10,000 lines he wrote were the same that subsequently got cut for being excessive...
It's so baffling how Bethesda never hired Chris to be on their writing team like if I had bought the Fallout brand I would hire it's creators to help curate. Both parties win. So many future possibilities, but 76 definitely tanked the brand.
Doing that would make sense, and Bethesda doesn't operate that way Lol remember their movement about Player 1, then giving us Fallout 76? Sometimes it really feels like their choices involving the Fallout IP are done out of spite
He says Bethesda did right by them and I can accept that. I guess I was wrong, though I must admit to harboring some skepticism. After all, it would stand to reason that people in the industry have to play nice for the sake of their career.
I know what you mean. I had an assumption going into these videos that Bethesda fucked Obsidian, particularly when it came to the Metacritic score, but the more I've talked with the developers(most notably one who left the industry entirely, so there's seemingly no reason see why he'd try to stay in the graces of BGS), the more I've realized my intial take on their relationship was wrong.
this was the best thing to come home to after a long day at work! It's interesting to hear about all the challenges they faced while making the DLCs because New Vegas is, in my opinion, a prime example of exactly how DLC should be done. Even in the face of time constraints and extra work piled on, they still delivered some of the best DLC ever made. What Chris said at the end in response to the 10,000 words quote was really wise and something that I actually really needed to hear as a writer. Thanks again for another awesome video and keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! I'm glad it made your day better. That quote at the end was something I needed to hear as well. It definitely left me feeling motivated. :)
Very nice man! That comment about caravan and reloading benches leads me to believe there were some arguments between Chris and Josh Soyer behind the scenes . haha
@@TriangleCity It's guys like them that made me start looking at the people behind the games I like. Turns out most of them overlap , Obsidian, Troika Games, Black Isle Studios ect.
Same actually. There aren't many RPG's that are so good, that I'm actually interested in their design process, but New Vegas is definitely one of those games.
I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but i bought the outer worlds soon after release. I was disappointed. I expected New Vegas and got just a "good" game that i will probably never replay. I have replayed all the fallout games numerous times.
Christopher Rhudy I don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion, OW is good but it somehow feels more undercooked than NV and lacks replay value. Also I wasn’t a fan of the artificial difficulty from playing above normal. Large groups of high hp and high damage enemies with generous hitboxes made the first area a pain. Supernova felt like a time waste and the ending speech options were absurd. Like I failed a check purely because I chose the wrong weapons stat. What bullshit
@@Capta1nAsh glad it wasn't just me... I could tell it wasn't going to be the best after Edgewater... SMH. I mean it wasn't bad, but it was shallow and choice was kinda faked
@@ChristopherRhudy I mean eh it's a new series they need to establish a lot. Like New Vegas benefits so much from the establishment of the NCR especially, but also the brotherhood and followers of the apocalypse. If you look back at fallout 1, the choice you have when dealing with the Khans is even less interesting than the choice with edgewater. Same with Junktown really, none of it is really complex or deep and look where the series ended up. So while yeah literally any day of the week, New Vegas is the better game by far narratively, it doesn't mean the series will always be subpar.
This was great! I definitely agree with Chris's end notes: getting something done in little daily bricks is very gratifying. Maybe that character's intro, outline, that chunk you need, audition sheets, audio cutting -- and yeah, I spent all of 2012, and all of 2014 writing New California and i 100% agree that an editor to check you work and rip stuff out is important. In 2018 I wouldn't write half of that shit, especially exposition. Some people very much love it, but taking stuff OUT of a design to instead refocus on making more important paths and more important character moments is more vital than having a big quest and big open world. We get dinged by the Rodger&Ebert Reviewbois the hardest for things like, having an open world that feels empty (as if a wasteland is supposed to be a theme park,) the companions slope off after leaving the Vault, and feeling like it's a linear railroad (when it absolutely isn't, anymore than that many branches can be if there is only 1 logically optimal route through something.) It also doesn't help that the engine is trash and can't handle is own memory in an elegant way. So we made a lot of the same mistakes as the game we were modding. Glad to have that block of mistakes out of the way as a modder before jumping into my career. :p
I think what you did with New California was amazing. I've stalked your updates for years lol. I'm not sure any other mod project will ever match the ambition and work you put into it, even more so considering how much of it you did on your own. I for one, am very, very excited to see what your next project. :)
@@TriangleCity Aw, shucks. :p But there are a few mods like us. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things, you could probably fit all of us into a hotel conference room. But I have a list: www.moddb.com/members/thaiauxn/blogs/history-of-total-conversions-101-with-your-host-blee But to date, yes, FNC I think, other than Enderal, we're the largest mod of our kind to release for a Bethesda title. The wisdom behind doing it, given that I want to make a full indie game next is debatable, but it was a great way to learn the ropes and make a dream a reality, mistakes and all. XD
Been waiting for this all day! Haha, great as always! Say it every time but your videos just keep getting better and better haha! If you ever need any help on a graphic design front even into some video production aspects I'd be more then happy to help!
I just found out about this series, and I'm absolutely loving it. Great narration and presentation of info. Any idea of when the next part will be out?
Thank you so much! Hopefully soon, but it's difficult for me to say. I'm currently dealing with a LOT in my personal life, which hasn't left much time for my hobbies unfortunately.
@@TriangleCity Thank you for the speedy response, I'm glad you're so interactive with your viewers. Best wishes in regards to your busy life, and I eagerly await the next entry.
It's weird how some members of the fan base hates Bethesda and considers them the reason New Vegas wasn't as good as it could have been. But it seems like the relationship between obsidian and Bethesda was slightly above average for a typical developer relationship.
KOTOR II - short production cycle, wasted time on minigames. Fallout NV - short production cycle, wasted time on minigames. Feel like sometimes nobody is to blame but Obsidian themselves.
It's nice to finally hear the developers of this game take responsibility for having too big and ambition and not being organized enough to pull it off. I understand they were on a tight schedule but it's seems like fans seem to think Bethesda (not defending Bethesda theyve got problems to) was solely responsible for the issues in new vegas. When the reality is the new vegas development just bit off way more than they could chew in that amount of time and as a result we got a broken fallout nv. Everyone likes to act like if they had a few more months everything would be perfect but that's clearly not the case. I love the studio and all the great work they do I just think they were a bit to small, unorganized and unexperienced with a game of that size. I love nv but it's still always gonna be broken fallout 3.5 to me.
It would be really cool if obsidian and Bethesda could team up again to remake fnv, but fully flesh it out with a bigger new Vegas and more npcs and such. Maybe expanded on other things such as NCR and Legion. But Ik this would probably never happen.
Except the ammo bench is awesome and it fits NV very well and no, I didn't need Caesar to throw some intro to Master/Slave morality at me to get me to sympathize with the Legion. You side with the Legion if you want to RP a homicidal misogynist, you don't need a 3 hour "debate" for that lmao
"we had no one to blame but ourselves". no no thats 100% wrong. bethesda is 100% at fault for not giving you a reasonable amount of time. its a fucking miracle and treatment to obisdians skills about how well it did ship.
No Caravan for less bugs would have probably been a worthy trade off, Caravan is cool and all but I like being able to play for an hour without crashing
I've been playing this game for three to four years, and still don't understand Caravan.
@@sporeham1674 I have 4000+ hours clocked and I have still never taken the time to learn caravan, although I gave it a shot a few times.
It's the same thing with gwent in Witcher. It's such a complete break from the rest of the game. Devs, just make a separate card game if you like this so much.
I don't even understand how to start it, apparently i never have enough cards lol
Yeah it wasn't a good trade. The achievement for playing 30 hands of caravan is like the least obtained achievement in fallout nv and I feel like anyone who does have it only played to get that achievement lol
Holy hell this guy is humble.
He really is. In fact, every developer on the project I've spoken with was surprisingly humble considering what they created.
15:16 1 year later and this becomes very apparent when looking at Fo76 and BGS's reputation
Wow this was a gold mine of an interview. Not only from the perspective of a fallout fan, but from the perspective of an artist, a writer, a programmer, and a team manager as well. We have thousands of books on how to be a good film director, hundreds of thousands on how to be a good author, but its these little bits of advice from the unsung greats that keep video game writing an advancing art form.
Thanks for it
I'm glad you enjoyed it from multiple perspectives. Chris has a wealth of experience and knowledge, I simply crafted questions that allowed him to poetically wax on these subjects, but thank you for your gratitude.
It’s been said a million times, but I love everyone at Obsidian and am thankful for their work.
Awesome interview. New Vegas was like a total eclipse of talent that aligned long enough to make a classic, a rare event indeed.
‘At the end of the day, the core game should of been released in a better state, and we have no one else to blame but ourselves.’ That right there is why consumers still support Black Isle/Obsidian studios, they have always focused around their mechanics and making the best out of their game, taking the time they need to be able to finish, in short, I think obsidian had took a note on NV when in development, considering that Bethesda had rushed them, they have learned and gained patience to finish their game and go on to say ‘When it’s done, its done.’ And that I support
Such and insightful guy, so much experience with the good and the bad.
That villain / rival bit was really good. Reminds of a major gripe with Fo4 factions. We simply cannot influence, reason with, or change their minds in the slightest.
Perhaps linked to the player-character not being that big a deal, like he mentioned - the factions aren't obsessed or even care if the sole-survivor is with them or against them - outside of gameplay purposes s/he's not special and realistically irrelevant.
The writing part speaks to Fo76's hours upon hours of endless and often pointless holo-tape prattling, quantity can hurt if it's not practical. I wonder if those 10,000 lines he wrote were the same that subsequently got cut for being excessive...
It's so baffling how Bethesda never hired Chris to be on their writing team like if I had bought the Fallout brand I would hire it's creators to help curate. Both parties win. So many future possibilities, but 76 definitely tanked the brand.
Chris hates Bethesda thats why
They did for Prey didn't they?
Doing that would make sense, and Bethesda doesn't operate that way
Lol remember their movement about Player 1, then giving us Fallout 76? Sometimes it really feels like their choices involving the Fallout IP are done out of spite
@@jackspnc was that bethesda or arkanes doing though?
He says Bethesda did right by them and I can accept that. I guess I was wrong, though I must admit to harboring some skepticism. After all, it would stand to reason that people in the industry have to play nice for the sake of their career.
I know what you mean. I had an assumption going into these videos that Bethesda fucked Obsidian, particularly when it came to the Metacritic score, but the more I've talked with the developers(most notably one who left the industry entirely, so there's seemingly no reason see why he'd try to stay in the graces of BGS), the more I've realized my intial take on their relationship was wrong.
this was the best thing to come home to after a long day at work! It's interesting to hear about all the challenges they faced while making the DLCs because New Vegas is, in my opinion, a prime example of exactly how DLC should be done. Even in the face of time constraints and extra work piled on, they still delivered some of the best DLC ever made. What Chris said at the end in response to the 10,000 words quote was really wise and something that I actually really needed to hear as a writer. Thanks again for another awesome video and keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! I'm glad it made your day better. That quote at the end was something I needed to hear as well. It definitely left me feeling motivated. :)
Very nice man! That comment about caravan and reloading benches leads me to believe there were some arguments between Chris and Josh Soyer behind the scenes . haha
I'd love to hear a debate between them on RPG mechanics honestly. They're two of the most innovative visionaries in the game industry IMO.
@@TriangleCity It's guys like them that made me start looking at the people behind the games I like. Turns out most of them overlap , Obsidian, Troika Games, Black Isle Studios ect.
Same actually. There aren't many RPG's that are so good, that I'm actually interested in their design process, but New Vegas is definitely one of those games.
You laugh but Avellon leaving Obsidian makes me think his and Sawyer's tensions wasn't trivial.
That's some really good content you have here mate, keep it up!
Thank you so much! :)
Really learned something about villains in games. I'm hopefully gonna make my own game, but I never considered villains as rivals or companions
So sad to see the shit these developers had to go through imagine if they was given longer than 18 months
Yh that and be pc only
21:30 Rewatching this series after the Outer Worlds announcement. I'm glad he was correct with the RPG fans getting excited.
He was definitely right 🖤
I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but i bought the outer worlds soon after release. I was disappointed. I expected New Vegas and got just a "good" game that i will probably never replay. I have replayed all the fallout games numerous times.
Christopher Rhudy I don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion, OW is good but it somehow feels more undercooked than NV and lacks replay value. Also I wasn’t a fan of the artificial difficulty from playing above normal. Large groups of high hp and high damage enemies with generous hitboxes made the first area a pain. Supernova felt like a time waste and the ending speech options were absurd. Like I failed a check purely because I chose the wrong weapons stat. What bullshit
@@Capta1nAsh glad it wasn't just me... I could tell it wasn't going to be the best after Edgewater... SMH. I mean it wasn't bad, but it was shallow and choice was kinda faked
@@ChristopherRhudy I mean eh it's a new series they need to establish a lot. Like New Vegas benefits so much from the establishment of the NCR especially, but also the brotherhood and followers of the apocalypse. If you look back at fallout 1, the choice you have when dealing with the Khans is even less interesting than the choice with edgewater. Same with Junktown really, none of it is really complex or deep and look where the series ended up. So while yeah literally any day of the week, New Vegas is the better game by far narratively, it doesn't mean the series will always be subpar.
This was great! I definitely agree with Chris's end notes: getting something done in little daily bricks is very gratifying. Maybe that character's intro, outline, that chunk you need, audition sheets, audio cutting -- and yeah, I spent all of 2012, and all of 2014 writing New California and i 100% agree that an editor to check you work and rip stuff out is important. In 2018 I wouldn't write half of that shit, especially exposition. Some people very much love it, but taking stuff OUT of a design to instead refocus on making more important paths and more important character moments is more vital than having a big quest and big open world.
We get dinged by the Rodger&Ebert Reviewbois the hardest for things like, having an open world that feels empty (as if a wasteland is supposed to be a theme park,) the companions slope off after leaving the Vault, and feeling like it's a linear railroad (when it absolutely isn't, anymore than that many branches can be if there is only 1 logically optimal route through something.) It also doesn't help that the engine is trash and can't handle is own memory in an elegant way. So we made a lot of the same mistakes as the game we were modding.
Glad to have that block of mistakes out of the way as a modder before jumping into my career. :p
I think what you did with New California was amazing. I've stalked your updates for years lol. I'm not sure any other mod project will ever match the ambition and work you put into it, even more so considering how much of it you did on your own. I for one, am very, very excited to see what your next project. :)
@@TriangleCity Aw, shucks. :p But there are a few mods like us. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things, you could probably fit all of us into a hotel conference room. But I have a list: www.moddb.com/members/thaiauxn/blogs/history-of-total-conversions-101-with-your-host-blee
But to date, yes, FNC I think, other than Enderal, we're the largest mod of our kind to release for a Bethesda title. The wisdom behind doing it, given that I want to make a full indie game next is debatable, but it was a great way to learn the ropes and make a dream a reality, mistakes and all. XD
Would you be open to an interview? I'd love to make a video in a similar style about F:NC's developement/design and your future project. :)
@@TriangleCity Sure. Contact me on Discord. We hope to have FNC done by December but may spill over into January.
Thank you for making New California team Helix!
Been waiting for this all day! Haha, great as always! Say it every time but your videos just keep getting better and better haha! If you ever need any help on a graphic design front even into some video production aspects I'd be more then happy to help!
Man these videos deserve like 500k views
Post-War Tribal here, nma community rise up
Another great video. Your SPECIAL is very good
I'm loving this series so far! Keep it up!
Thank you so much man!
TriangleCity no, thank YOU. You've given us some one of a kind insight into this game. I love seeing your production quality improve.
Another incredible video. Loving the Chris episodes. Keep up the great work and the awesome content! Can't wait for the next one
Thank you so much!!! :))))
This is such a slept-on channel. Keep up the good work dude!
I just found out about this series, and I'm absolutely loving it. Great narration and presentation of info. Any idea of when the next part will be out?
Thank you so much! Hopefully soon, but it's difficult for me to say. I'm currently dealing with a LOT in my personal life, which hasn't left much time for my hobbies unfortunately.
@@TriangleCity Thank you for the speedy response, I'm glad you're so interactive with your viewers. Best wishes in regards to your busy life, and I eagerly await the next entry.
It's weird how some members of the fan base hates Bethesda and considers them the reason New Vegas wasn't as good as it could have been. But it seems like the relationship between obsidian and Bethesda was slightly above average for a typical developer relationship.
I know this is three years old but core PS3 unmodded does have Veronica refer to Elijah as a a father, or grandfather figure, yeah.
KOTOR II - short production cycle, wasted time on minigames.
Fallout NV - short production cycle, wasted time on minigames.
Feel like sometimes nobody is to blame but Obsidian themselves.
It's nice to finally hear the developers of this game take responsibility for having too big and ambition and not being organized enough to pull it off. I understand they were on a tight schedule but it's seems like fans seem to think Bethesda (not defending Bethesda theyve got problems to) was solely responsible for the issues in new vegas. When the reality is the new vegas development just bit off way more than they could chew in that amount of time and as a result we got a broken fallout nv. Everyone likes to act like if they had a few more months everything would be perfect but that's clearly not the case. I love the studio and all the great work they do I just think they were a bit to small, unorganized and unexperienced with a game of that size. I love nv but it's still always gonna be broken fallout 3.5 to me.
This is so good
It would be really cool if obsidian and Bethesda could team up again to remake fnv, but fully flesh it out with a bigger new Vegas and more npcs and such. Maybe expanded on other things such as NCR and Legion. But Ik this would probably never happen.
Except the ammo bench is awesome and it fits NV very well and no, I didn't need Caesar to throw some intro to Master/Slave morality at me to get me to sympathize with the Legion. You side with the Legion if you want to RP a homicidal misogynist, you don't need a 3 hour "debate" for that lmao
As fan, it's sad that Chris hates Josh Sawyer's guts. In part 1 he even recuses to say his name. But, who knows what went down
i wish it was released on new consoles or pc only and like 2 years more time
"we had no one to blame but ourselves".
no
no thats 100% wrong. bethesda is 100% at fault for not giving you a reasonable amount of time. its a fucking miracle and treatment to obisdians skills about how well it did ship.
Man if its possible please interview Josh Sawyer too..
And that Modoc's theme tho it just reflect the current situation of the franchise 😭
And play this entire interview to him because there's a lot of bitterness and criticism here to FNV direction lol.
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Stop that annoying cadence when reading aloud the quotes
great interview, totally ruined by the crappy narrator