The ring test is made with a screw driver..and when your filling the stands you want to rock them back and forth so the sand is even out..after your done filling then up you to flip it upside down a couple times till you dont hear the sand moving around..then with a screw driver do the ring test..after one month the stands will have to be refill due to the low frequency moving the sand around...after that you should repeat the the test and those suckers should be solid..best advice..buy iso acoustics to decouple off the metal top of the stands and speakers and some iso pucks to decouple the bottom feet of the stands off the floor...trust me it's going to sound beautiful
Note that certain speakers' cabinets, like Vienna Acoustics Bach (floor-standing tower) speakers, are also to be filled with some filler (do not know how!) to eliminate the cabinet natural resonances. Some people use "lead shot", unaware that lead is poisonous and quite dangerous to be around. On the other hand, natural sand might easily absorb water and damage a speaker wood cabinet etc. Cat Litter, perfectly playground white sand, and silica sand are also recommend. However, Atabites has an approximate density of 2403 KG/m sq. compared to dry sand which has a typical rating of just 1442 KG/m sq. but on the negative side: since Atabites are zinc covered little discs, one should note that zinc is also toxic and especially dangerous for little kids who might unknowingly eat it.
I've been using either Quikrete or Sakrete dry concrete mix (no water added, of course) from my local Home Depot or Lowes home improvement stores and it works like a charm. That stuff is dense and heavy so my stands are heavy(somewhere between 20-25lbs) and there is no ringing whatsoever.....and it's dirt cheap to boot.
so from what I understand from the video the stands have to be loaded with Atabites up to above ?? the parent company Atacama recommends that for optimal performance it is sufficient to load the tubes either 1/2 or 2/3. what about you?
I need some help guys, my new speakers are really heavy, like 10kg , maybe more. Should I just.mass load the stands as much as possible to avoid the center of gravity being all over the place? (I know this is a genral question, just trying to get an idea).
I bought cat sand which is even finer thus weighs more (for same volume) than this "audiophile" sand. Now my stands are heavy and dead sound-wise. It cost me 5€ for a 20kg bag.
Not convinced that the stands are that good or the damping is any better than sand which is so easy. My old Atacama stands have a much larger column, are much more stable and completely dead with sand and the sand fills a plastic bag inside (provided by Atacama) so that the kiln dried sand is nicely contained.
I have to ask the following..1. Why not just fill them to the top...if you have so much filler left over..makes no sense messing about. 2. I wish you had chucked the B and W on the stands before you filled it..recorded them then filled the stands re-recorded them and A/B the results...seems like you had the perfect opportunity if the room is so well acoustically damped to show if it makes a significant difference and lastly...should have used that screwdriver rather than your knuckles...made me wince each time...! On a more serious note please do a speakers on the unit..speakers on stands with no filler and speakers on stands with filler...I would love to hear the difference between the three positions. Cheers
I could have just filled them the top, I was just demonstrating the minimum you might get away with using from memory. That would have been a good demo, I didn't think of it at the time
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I asked as about to get some new bookshelf speakers and stands on the weekend ...would have been fascinating to see if there is any significant improvement....maybe you could do a demo like that at some point.
I currently own a pair of the B&W 705 s2's and I'm using the B&W FS 700 stands with them. Was wondering how much I would need to fill? Where do I purchase atacama atabites in the US? If I purchase from UK I would have to pay for shipping and that could get pricey.
these are entry level stands, I have been surprised by just how good they are still. in terms of different speakers sounding very good on them. Atacama offer more comprehensive stands than this also - I prefer designs with multiple uprights over ones with a single as the top plate is more stable, however these stands have done a really great job for me so far
I'll bet you have never ever heard a speaker stand ring from the playing of music. Nothing wrong with having some fun and pretending you are making a difference in how your speakers will sound. The sound from speaker have no resemblance to you rapping on it with a screw driver. Mass loading is in fact useful in making the speaker stand more stable; so all is not lost.
In music you never hear a speaker cabinet resonate the same as if you tapped it but you still hear the cabinet resonating when you listen to music. Same rule applies here I feel
Interesting video i have been looking at this product today as im considering getting some KEF S2 stands to go with KEF ls50 meta's, your stands in this video dont look very stable im assuming the KEFs would be a bit better? how much more stable are the stands with this product inside?
I have used these a lot and they are perfectly fine but for about £20 more you can get these which I think would be better as they have dual uprights geni.us/ivmHjdu - sorry about the old video quality not as good as my recent work
@@PursuitPerfectSystem i like the look of KEF S2 stands because they allow the ls50 meta's to bolt down onto the plinth. I have children and constantly worry about the thought of speakers being knocked off. Do you think stands fully filled with this product speakers bolted onto the stand would be as stable as a small floorstanding speaker?
@@hclandscapes hard to say without nudging them and seeing but I dont really see the difference from a floorstander if the speakers is bolted to the stand
I thought you were going to demonstrate the differences in sound when filled at different amounts. Some speakers don’t like filled stands, so you need to experiment to find which is best for your speakers. I disagree that stands are as important as the speakers.
All speakers are the same if the stand rings because its hollow it will ad that ringing to the sound the speaker creates this is just common sense. Its also common sense that more mass in the stand the better
I think center of gravity should be considered too, the higher you fill, the higher center of gravity and speaker will not be stable especially if the speaker is heavy. Not sure if related to sound quality.
Seems kind of flimsy. Making speaker stands out of ringing material is questionable to begin with. Also using only one narrow tube means there will not be much to fill, therefore not much mass is possible. Also using wood as the bottom and steel top is wrong. Wood is too light and the center of gravity becomes too high. They are not supposed to rock at all, even when empty. The stand should be at least about twice the weight of the speaker, more preferred. Also, purpose of that filling material may not be for speakers to perform better. Sellers purpose is usually to sell and make a profit. That filling seems excellent for that purpose. Sorry for being so negative. :)
beech sand holds moisture so it will rot the stands from the inside - you can use dry kiln sand but for about £30 these atacama atabites does the job perfectly and makes it easy
You should have muted the music or lower the volume down coz its distracting
If you ad sand to your stands it will lower the music and raise the vocals.😊
@@jacobsteele7138
Bro, it's been 5 years, are you lost?
The ring test is made with a screw driver..and when your filling the stands you want to rock them back and forth so the sand is even out..after your done filling then up you to flip it upside down a couple times till you dont hear the sand moving around..then with a screw driver do the ring test..after one month the stands will have to be refill due to the low frequency moving the sand around...after that you should repeat the the test and those suckers should be solid..best advice..buy iso acoustics to decouple off the metal top of the stands and speakers and some iso pucks to decouple the bottom feet of the stands off the floor...trust me it's going to sound beautiful
Note that certain speakers' cabinets, like Vienna Acoustics Bach (floor-standing tower) speakers, are also to be filled with some filler (do not know how!) to eliminate the cabinet natural resonances. Some people use "lead shot", unaware that lead is poisonous and quite dangerous to be around. On the other hand, natural sand might easily absorb water and damage a speaker wood cabinet etc. Cat Litter, perfectly playground white sand, and silica sand are also recommend. However, Atabites has an approximate density of 2403 KG/m sq. compared to dry sand which has a typical rating of just 1442 KG/m sq. but on the negative side: since Atabites are zinc covered little discs, one should note that zinc is also toxic and especially dangerous for little kids who might unknowingly eat it.
Top tip us a watering can, to fill them up. Works a treat.
gaza4543 lol Great idea where was you 2 weeks ago :)
Would expanding foam work to eliminate the ringing?
yes it would, but of course it wont add weight for stability plus is messy stuff to deal with, it will expanding into and out of any gaps!
I've been using either Quikrete or Sakrete dry concrete mix (no water added, of course) from my local Home Depot or Lowes home improvement stores and it works like a charm. That stuff is dense and heavy so my stands are heavy(somewhere between 20-25lbs) and there is no ringing whatsoever.....and it's dirt cheap to boot.
@Pursuit Perfect System great job & how much would you seal your stand why out the Atabites SMD-Z 7HD Inert Filler??
Great video really helpful
so from what I understand from the video the stands have to be loaded with Atabites up to above ?? the parent company Atacama recommends that for optimal performance it is sufficient to load the tubes either 1/2 or 2/3. what about you?
I need some help guys, my new speakers are really heavy, like 10kg , maybe more. Should I just.mass load the stands as much as possible to avoid the center of gravity being all over the place? (I know this is a genral question, just trying to get an idea).
I am still waiting for the moment you put the B&W on the stand. Oh well.
I bought cat sand which is even finer thus weighs more (for same volume) than this "audiophile" sand.
Now my stands are heavy and dead sound-wise. It cost me 5€ for a 20kg bag.
Andrew Jones (KEF, Infinity, Pioneer, TAD, Elac) does the same thing and suggested it as it's very, very dry, and you can get it almost anywhere.
stevenswall what type of cat sand. Or does it not mater
I have 3 cats and so have always cat litter at home! nice!
Simply a fine powder of dry bentonite clay & charcoal 👍
You can do the tap thing with amps and dull them down
The wooden base is going to have a bit of resonance, no?
I filled my stands with pound coins i feel this adds value very little change though joking apart very good helpful review for a numpty like me.
I laughed. Well written and witty joke!
I would decide the bucket equally, instead of all that
So get atamite but don’t put too much because it’s expensive but i get a cut , don’t get cheap sand and fill them up to the top cuz i don’t get a cut!
Not convinced that the stands are that good or the damping is any better than sand which is so easy. My old Atacama stands have a much larger column, are much more stable and completely dead with sand and the sand fills a plastic bag inside (provided by Atacama) so that the kiln dried sand is nicely contained.
The new Atacama Nexxus speaker stands are much better than these ones ua-cam.com/video/Txxx40-LBOo/v-deo.html
I have to ask the following..1. Why not just fill them to the top...if you have so much filler left over..makes no sense messing about. 2. I wish you had chucked the B and W on the stands before you filled it..recorded them then filled the stands re-recorded them and A/B the results...seems like you had the perfect opportunity if the room is so well acoustically damped to show if it makes a significant difference and lastly...should have used that screwdriver rather than your knuckles...made me wince each time...! On a more serious note please do a speakers on the unit..speakers on stands with no filler and speakers on stands with filler...I would love to hear the difference between the three positions. Cheers
I could have just filled them the top, I was just demonstrating the minimum you might get away with using from memory. That would have been a good demo, I didn't think of it at the time
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I asked as about to get some new bookshelf speakers and stands on the weekend ...would have been fascinating to see if there is any significant improvement....maybe you could do a demo like that at some point.
@@bassmandudge Spend the extra money and fill the stands up mate. You dont want them ringing at all :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem no your right...I dont want any resonance...
@@bassmandudge it can only add to the sound of the speaker there is enough doing that already
Spoiled by the bloody annoying music. Grrrrrrr...
I currently own a pair of the B&W 705 s2's and I'm using the B&W FS 700 stands with them. Was wondering how much I would need to fill? Where do I purchase atacama atabites in the US? If I purchase from UK I would have to pay for shipping and that could get pricey.
Just use sand. But it must be dry! Or in a bag. Or bird sand is always dry from a pet shop
Please turn down or better still get rid of that awful distracting music.
sorry about that this is an old video I have learnt quite a lot in the last 2 years and the production quality of my videos is now very high
Pursuit Perfect System - Thank you. 👍🏻
Hello, Can I use rice to fill my speakers stands?
Insects? Just use fine sand 😎
1 or 2 tubs at the most, I don’t think so, my Kef Reference 1 stands require 3 and half tubs each stand...
Those stands are awfully small so not much mass would be added
these are entry level stands, I have been surprised by just how good they are still. in terms of different speakers sounding very good on them.
Atacama offer more comprehensive stands than this also - I prefer designs with multiple uprights over ones with a single as the top plate is more stable, however these stands have done a really great job for me so far
Shame the music is so loud. It's a little distracting when listening to what you say.
sorry, I made this a long time ago
I'll bet you have never ever heard a speaker stand ring from the playing of music. Nothing wrong with having some fun and pretending you are making a difference in how your speakers will sound. The sound from speaker have no resemblance to you rapping on it with a screw driver. Mass loading is in fact useful in making the speaker stand more stable; so all is not lost.
In music you never hear a speaker cabinet resonate the same as if you tapped it but you still hear the cabinet resonating when you listen to music. Same rule applies here I feel
Interesting video i have been looking at this product today as im considering getting some KEF S2 stands to go with KEF ls50 meta's, your stands in this video dont look very stable im assuming the KEFs would be a bit better? how much more stable are the stands with this product inside?
I have used these a lot and they are perfectly fine but for about £20 more you can get these which I think would be better as they have dual uprights geni.us/ivmHjdu - sorry about the old video quality not as good as my recent work
@@PursuitPerfectSystem i like the look of KEF S2 stands because they allow the ls50 meta's to bolt down onto the plinth.
I have children and constantly worry about the thought of speakers being knocked off. Do you think stands fully filled with this product speakers bolted onto the stand would be as stable as a small floorstanding speaker?
@@hclandscapes hard to say without nudging them and seeing but I dont really see the difference from a floorstander if the speakers is bolted to the stand
@@PursuitPerfectSystem do you think one tub would do both KEF stands?
@@hclandscapes sorry really not sure mate I havent seen the kef stands
I thought you were going to demonstrate the differences in sound when filled at different amounts. Some speakers don’t like filled stands, so you need to experiment to find which is best for your speakers. I disagree that stands are as important as the speakers.
All speakers are the same if the stand rings because its hollow it will ad that ringing to the sound the speaker creates this is just common sense.
Its also common sense that more mass in the stand the better
can someone explain why you should not fill stands all the way up?
I think you can I was showing the minimum needed to stop the standa ringing
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thank's :-)
There is a chance the stand would tip over
I think center of gravity should be considered too, the higher you fill, the higher center of gravity and speaker will not be stable especially if the speaker is heavy. Not sure if related to sound quality.
The filler you’re using is cheap but they want more for shipping to the states than the cost of the filler
Its heavy so shipping will be expensive
Seems kind of flimsy. Making speaker stands out of ringing material is questionable to begin with. Also using only one narrow tube means there will not be much to fill, therefore not much mass is possible. Also using wood as the bottom and steel top is wrong. Wood is too light and the center of gravity becomes too high. They are not supposed to rock at all, even when empty. The stand should be at least about twice the weight of the speaker, more preferred.
Also, purpose of that filling material may not be for speakers to perform better. Sellers purpose is usually to sell and make a profit. That filling seems excellent for that purpose.
Sorry for being so negative. :)
Great video, but horrible and extremly annoying "music"! 😖
I cant hear what you are saying.
I made this a long time I think in my first year of making videos and there is a steep learning curve that comes along with that.
builders sand fill them up, that's my advice and don't go for the stands ether there are better ones like this out there eg Atac Moseco 6
Builders sand is damp will cause rusting
you can't just dig up some free beach sand, you have to use "audiophile grade" particles for $400 a pound!
beech sand holds moisture so it will rot the stands from the inside - you can use dry kiln sand but for about £30 these atacama atabites does the job perfectly and makes it easy
All sorts of different BS. Do more on room acoustics for the biggest difference.
This is a video about stands not room acoustics dont be that guy trying to tell people what they should do