"The Winnower Just Sent a Message to Us..." | Aztecross Reacts Destiny 2 The Final Shape
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Today we're taking a look at one of My Name is Byf's most recent lore videos detailing a recent message we received from our potential next big bad enemy, the Winnower. Everyone, please go check out Byf's channel, subscribe, like, and leave a comment on this amazing video.
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The Winnower is talking a lot of smack for someone who's going to get turned into a gun and tossed into our vault
😂🤣
Which gun🤣🤣🤣
They never learn. 🤣
Plot twist. The Winnower is Telesto.
I read that as the winnower getting turned on lol
14:22 Boy turned into hulk 😂😂😂
Cross….Smash
@@thunderchief7256 lol
Aztec with a green back ground is nightmare fuel
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
I was thinking the same thing! 😂
It’s me I’m the winnower, cats out the bag
I knew it!
CAN I HAVE THE POSITION THE WITNESS HAD NOW THAT IT IS VACANT?
Winnow my garden!
Alright Vince calm down, we all knew you were the higher power 😂
Yeah and in the second knife
Spilled radiolaria can also be a 4th wall break since us Guardians call it "vex milk". No use crying over spilled milk.
It's called Vex Milk in game too
@@hikami420 Ah I see. I was mistaken in thinking it was not named in game.
Hawk tuah
@@XxSniperFiendxX Odd response bud.
@@eintracht691hawk tuah
The line from the ViDoc where the Witness said “We’re in need of a God killer” kinda aligns with Cross saying that the Witness was doing everything it’s doing to defy not only the Traveller/Gardener but the Winnower as well
Yea did that line ever happen in game?..
@@thevoid3062I said the same thing after beating everything, I don’t recall it ever being said.
It wasn't. Everyone thought it would be a line of text for those who got the godslayer title just like how in lightfall calus called everyone "shadow" who had that title. But I have godslayer and I didn't hear it either.
@@thevoid3062No, it hasn’t. Might be a cut line or one coming down the road.
@@thevoid3062i don't think it did - i have a feeling that it will be in a future micah-10 ghost quest like the one that took us to nezarec's pyramid.
Love the fact that you embrace the lore, celebrate it even. Not just 'here's a gun, go kill stuff' awsome man!
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
"Pleased to meet you! Hope you guessed my name! But what is puzzling you is the nature of my game!" The Winnower
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
Weren't the nine supposed to be specks of dust?
The Winnower is the chill dad of the universe, and the Gardner is the overworked and tiered mom of the cosmos
I actually kind of like the Winnower. Speaks in riddles 😊
WE NEED A STORY ON THE IX NOW BUNGIE
"keep playing ...the game." -Orin of the Nine.
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
The winnower gives BIG man in the wall vibes but with a hint of ballas smugness
I see what you mean fellow Tenno
I was thinking the same thing
Inb4 The Winnower IS The Man in the Wall and they just like to fuck with people in multiple universes. DE, Bungie, you guys have the opportunity to do something real funny. XD
The Winnower projects as a being that speaks casually as it is quite assured of its power and place in the order of things.
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
Loremaster Byf,
The one Warlock that Cross respects.
It's interesting how this is all turning out to be similiar to the whole "the God and the Devil made a wager for the souls of mankind" story from Constantine haha
I mean it’s the light and dark created before the universe itself playing the game of life kinda self explanatory
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
@@bigounce8301woah Biggerton Ouncerton you're alive and play Destiny. Oh sweet wampum😂
The Winnower actually sounds like Satan.
Also, the Traveler reminds me of a pearl in the way that it has different layers that change as you go further in.
my homie that is the actual thought I thought
And a pearl split looks like the veil
Satan's entire thing is the sin of wrath, The Winnower isnt really embodying that. If anything the gardener is the one who 'became vexed'. Even when the gardener stole the winnower's job it did not feel any anger, it knew it was the closer of flowers after all. I think people should stop seeing it as good vs bad (gardener vs winnower), when weve had expansions telling us this. Its a clash of ideals, a clash of philosophies. Where the winnower and gardener are trying to prove theyre right. The WInnower isnt evil, its a fundamental principle of the world.
@@JoshWWlol wrong satan is sin of Pride
@@JoshWWlol ideas and philosophies can be evil from people's point of view, so ultimatly it's a battle of good versus evil in people's eyes
Cross was definitely a group work mastermind in school
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
Byf just has such a great reading voice. The man should be doing narration for countless nature and history docs
Beings like The Gardener & Winnower are most likely formless entities kinda like Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth.
We'll never physically meet them.
Their avatars or abstracts that being in the game The Traveler & Veil.
It’s crazy how hard people misunderstand this like bro we’re not gonna go find some guy called the winnower
Formless entities that can leave messages directly to us?
@@hoax845Yes these are beings outside our reality and understanding.
maybe transcendence through prismatic will LITERALLY allow us to transcend above other mortal beings and be able to see unfathomable entities such as the gardener or the winnower? kinda like in bloodborne how you find a way to make the amygdalas visible to the naked eye
Not a big lore guy but byf earned my subscribe years ago. Great channel definitely drop him some love!
I think when the winnower said, "Oh, no, not my sedimentary necrolite, fossilized in time." I thinks he's referring to the veil. And maybe that the veil had been split in 2 and maybe the veil was an actual pearl.
does that mean there's technically 2?
Nacre is actually pronounced "Nay-ker" if anyone's wondering
The ad bit made me lol
i think Its like this: The winnower is a fan of extinction; maybe. he convinces races to become one unified entity, turns that entity against the traveler or whoever opposes them, then the singular entity dies, effectively killing off an entire race or people!
Myelin giving you a whole shoutout in his video on this lore piece, then you turn around and watch byfs on stream. Classic.
It's not that deep bud
To be fair when destiny hit a rough patch Myelin dipped and played helldivers for 3 months lol. He really shit on the game too which was quite a bit deserved
@@pepeold1074
Whaaat? You’re telling me I shouldn’t overanalyse human interactions on the internet?
Byf’s video is better anyway.
@pepeold1074 it really isn't... hence the joke. It's okay, you'll get it next time
Anyone else got that ad at 12:04 and try to skip but crosses face was there I was like huh ??
Watching you get the same advertisement I just skipped was trippy as fuck, "why is Crosses face on this ad???"
Byf's story telling is so impeccable.
The Winnower talks about itself like a school of thought. Which is pretty sweet. In my perspective he’s basically provoking the defiance of what we know, and by doing so bringing the Winnower to the hearts and minds of Sol.
13:30 I think after his description of necrolite, and the New Vex season, as well the part where the winnower said “no need to cry over spilled radiolaria”, makes sense that maybe the winnower is actually talking about the Vex
when ad popped up i felt that…
During the last mission we see the star horse presented in the middle of the room along with a lot of engrams with the nines symbols on them which makes me think maybe we arent decrypting ancient engrams from the golden era but are instead receiving weapons from the nine. They could also be a primordial people such as the leviathans, vex, and worm gods.
12:03 bro forgot to cut out the ad 💀
At this point byf is narrating this lore tab so perfectly he might as well be the Winnower.
Plot twist Shaw Han is the winnower
Cross we know quite a bit about The Nine and their motives.
I am a bit rusty on the lore but from what I can remember they're consciousnesses that came into existence because of some gravitational shenanigans between our solar system's celestial bodies. They're made up of dark matter and each one are connected to their own celestial body, including Earth.
Their continued existence is reliant upon several factors, one being the life that exists on their respective celestial body. That's the key reason to why The Nine are helping us somewhat. Because if life ceases on their "body" then so does their being from existance.
The Nine's motive is just existance, which is why they're also looking into ways to not be reliant on planetary life to enable their existance, because life is fleeting.
Very John Wick like lol
“Be seeing you guardian”
“Not if I see you first”
The green screen with your face is making me crack up Cross 😂
The witness speaks like someone who has complete and total comfort in both its infallible plan and absolute power.
It speaks to us like it likes us, because i think it does. An entity foundational to the universe only really does what it wants
Agreed. Humanity is of no consequence to the winnower… the same way we would speak to an ant, it speaks to us.
In actuality, the winnower perceives us as less than the aforementioned ants. It’s “jovial” discourse with us, is that of a toy or plaything. It believes it can bend us, break us, or have us do its bidding. Our perceived significance amuses those who perceive us as insignificant.
That's a amazing video Aztecross! And..... You know, I've always been a fan of tokusatsu and this video made me remember and think about one of them: Kamen Rider Gaim, which started out as an apparently more silly tokusatsu series, but in the middle of the series the plot started to show high philosophical and Biblical references, like GARDEN of Eden, the fruit of knowledge and the LAW OF NATURE or the law of the strongest, that governs the universe and as there is no escape from this "system", the universe is shaped by this rule that if you want to protect, survive, influence or have power, you MUST sacrifice, kill, destroy or TAKE something when the opportunity comes to you and the only thing you can do about it would be to achieve divinity and help balance the scales for living beings. because this law will ALWAYS exist.
In a way we proved the winnowers logic correct, sword logic in its more primal baseline form, not the hive kind. It mentions that only the fittest survive, we killed its "knife" therefore proving ourselves more fit than the witness, and there was nothing else we could have done, someone somewhere always makes its choice.
Yes. But within the Gardener’s principle. We triumphed via complexity. A bomb with diverse pieces would include a sword.
_---"A sword can be part of a bomb if the swordstrike is the detonation mechanism," Mara says._
@@empyrean196 I dont think the Winnower cares HOW a final shape emerges, just that one does emerge through deserving it. We are after all proving we deserve to survive. The Winnower hated the gardeners rule because it would lead to undeserving things surviving and suffering uneccesarily. But if we prove our right to exist then we arent undeserving or unecessarily sufdfering.
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
This guy has so many subbing him he can't even remove ads because it's gonna cost him... Lol 😂😂 when was the last this streamer sat with his family
Definitely one of Byfs best reads
Oh wow, a reference to “the prisoner” sweet
Which part?
So couldn’t help but notice that the pearl looks like the traveler and the grit formation within a pearl looks a lot like the veil
Well also...if you guys remeber when the witness was defeated in the 12 man strike he says "we... I dont understand"
Makes me feel that at the end of final quest of Act I, when Saint is acting weird. That's maybe the Winnower inside Saint-14
0:01 THIS IS CORRECT
Weren't u banished from ur own throne world?
We will kick your ass again old woman!
@@Lord-Connor7683 I INHERITED THE DREADNAUGHT. BY INHERITED I MEAN I’M GOING TO TAKE IT.
@@TheXivu_Arath*laughs in saint-14*
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
Does anyone else think Byf should make his own audiobook on all the lore. He has the voice for it and the knowledge
This Necrolite/Necronite stuff reminds me of the petricor stuff from Revision Zero, or the wet earth smell mentioned in the Black Armory lore from the bunker being attacked by the Darkness and its forces during the collapse. The Winnower gives me a sort of geology or ground element vibe? Sand to make a pearl, weird and specific words for ground and elements, mentions of calcification or fossilization.
Remember that Galaxy room, where you can see the Universe? It's comingg
Dang this is scary early for me lol
He sounds deceiving and cocky but smart and patient with seriousness
Everytime I hear "I'll see you starside" I get chills.. I don't know why. Byf is sooo good at storytelling
He has a GREAT VOICE for this
The way the winnower speaks reminds me a lot of Raphael from baulders gate 3
byf is a wonderful presenter and has a great channel.
We are the fork keeping the knives in check lmao
Makes you wonder about who would be the spoon
To kinda clear up some confusion with the words a lot of objects in english are translated 1 to 1 from greek such as in this case necrolite and necronite , Necro/Νέκρο = an essence of death (not a word per say but a part word used in greek to give meaning to words) , now Nite/Νιτής is like Necro a part word used to to complete the meaning of words and Nite/Νιτής reffers to a substance or object with a rock/crystal form , Lite/Λίτης should be familiar to english speakers because its the same part of the word CataLYST just written diffrently to accomodate the languague , Catalyst = Καταλίτης , Lite/Λίτης reffers to substance or object with a liquid/liquid-like celular form , lore wise do with that what you will but as an aside a lot of Bosses (mainly Vex) and other stuff in Destiny bare greek words as names with deep meaning for example the VoG final boss Atheon/Αθεων means an inanimate object that is Atheist/doesnt believe in gods or the idea of gods.
I seriously think bungie should hire byf to voice the winnower. it's just pure perfection.
Byf and Vaati both got that narrator voice thing down!
Please bungie give us the option to join the winnower it would be so cool, like imagine turning against everyone and wielding this new power against them
The AD in the middle of the video jumpscared me BAD
We are both the gardeners and the winnowers greatest instrument! We are the ones who will decide the outcome of their little competition.
Next subclass! Earth/land based powers, lets go!
Cross is the only UA-camr who is on top of PvE , PvP and the lore itself.
great job dude 😎
I think the Sedimentary Necrolite forzen in time is referring to the Veil
Love how cross is aware of shit. Like how the Winower absolutely wants the game to keep going, that's why us killing the witness was so euphoric for it.
Byf should be the voice over for this enemy! 😂
The Nine, wanted the Ahamkara to wish themselves into the realm of Sol. To make themselves tangible was their goal, but the decision was made by the Vanguard to hunt the Ahamkara to prevent them from carrying out twisted wishes and posing that threat
17:20 According that, while loading into Destiny we can see a silhouette of a somebody. I always thought it means something. Well now Im sure that is a Winnower
huh
Random question: Does episodes really feel that different from seasons? Feels about the same to me lol
Feels the exact same
Let's wait until act 2 and 3 before we judge, but if we're talking just act 1, then yes, it feels like a normal season
Idk it kinda feels worse then seasons to me rn
@@yeetmaster2884it’s 100% worse lol
@@MjcIIIlmfao how does this community want the content? Seasons were praised when they dropped post forsaken now they we don’t like em, DLCs are a mixed bag, and episodes are meh.
What are we looking for yall?
Do not stop doing what you love, you are very good at ti!
yesterday when I was on the throne world. i could see prismatic look strands or threads. floating above bushes and trees. then I started to notice huge reddish pink flowers growing also lotus type flowers in the water. I think prismatic is going to become something like a nature engery. I seriously felt like my Guardian was poison ivy !
I like the theory that Aztec come up with where we did the bidding of the winnower because the witness wanted to stop in the winter or wants it to keep going The Gardener wants it to keep going and shape it where it can
glass is a material made of silica so the glass minds are also silicate minds i think the vex are going to become very important/ a huge threat
Now this thing here regarding to the pearl and dust , just made me realize the similarity of the subject with this one : Dust and Panpsychism in His Dark Materials | Attic Philosophy
His dark materials a tv show , but also embraces the subject of dust that clearly apears in here O_O this is craaaazzzy , just take a look at the video and i think that they are related
I'm at 4:57 currently. The Winnower's choice is survival of the fittest. Only the strongest survive. The Gardener wants all possibilities explored.
In Dual Destiny you were given a choice. Violence or peace. If you chose violence then you chose to support the Winnower. If you chose peace, you chose to serve the Gardener.
Though you had to serve the Winnower when fighting through all of the enemies up to that point.
Byf could easily be the voice actor of a Hive God.
The only thing we know about the nine is the fact that they were getting something from the ahamkars until they were like. Well we can't anymore since the great hunt, so we'll go to humanity
THE ROCK JUMPSCARE
Just thinking out loud. Traveller is the gardener is a ball of light. The Veil is a light and dark sided double egg cup. The Winnower could be the dark ball for the other side. Balance. Yin yang. Maybe when they had their little fallout they split and the egg cup was left and ended up on Neomuna somehow. Thats why we still know nothing about it. Its part to play hasnt came around yet. It could be the essential part of the long game between the gardener and the winnower. You know Bungie love the long game. They can plant a seed and patiently let it grow without anyone paying it any attention for years
Is the winnower the one that was talking to our mirror guardian during that one garden cutscene?
The conductors was todays story in the season
This feels like a star wars phase
Isn't the final shape in the winnower's eyes essentially the entropic heat death of the universe? Or is it the Vex, the first pattern in the garden?
The Narce ship in my opinion has such a cool design, I switched out my UFO for this one 😎
The Winnower might be referencing The Veil as its former beloved because it was just the memory of the Universe frozen in time but now its decided to love the Universe itself.
Whatever happened to picking between light and dark via the drifter?
Is the black garden where the gardener and winnower play the flower game ?
I bet we from another time-line are the winnower
The coating in the process of making a pearl kinda looks kinda like the veil what is bungie cooking 🤔
Winnower made telesto confirmed
Lore daddys voice is like fine wine ....
Winnower always sounded like the type of guy to say "What's good man?" "How are you doing Gangy?"
The Winnower is the Traveler.
LOREEE
A little late here, but to anyone who reads Marvel comics, specifically on Galactus. I believe the Winnower is essentially doing what he does when he visits different planets and civilizations. Where the entity automatically takes form of that civilization and also adapts their language. Thats what I’m getting to why he talks like he’s a guardian, like they are one of us.
Alrighty Winnower that's enough. Time to make 1,000 glimmer off you.
(Dismantle's gun)
,,i aint good nor evil“~The winnower
Also the winnower: presenting us the darkness while creating the witness and sending it to us that wiped out humanity once and almost twice
The powers of The Nine and also Mara Sov's thicc paracausal powers are both seemingly in defiance of Light or Dark, or are able to side-step around Light and Dark. Was it fully established that the "wish" powers of the Ahamkara were also not of Light or Dark?
It's funny how Life needs Death to create Life, And Death needs Life to create Death
cross is an alien confirmed