BRUTALLY HONEST REVIEW OF THE 2023 PORSCHE TAYCAN GTS SPORT TURISMO
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2024
- Here's my honest review of the 2023 Porsche Taycan, after spending a week with one in December 2023. How is the car to drive? Does it work as a viable daily driver given the avaialbe charging networks? What is the Porsche Charging Service?
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This is a reupload! For some reason, there was 3 minutes of the video missing in the last version, thanks all for watching!
I've been a Taycan owner for 16 months, first with a 4S Cross Turismo and recently changing to a GTS Sport Turismo. My only comments are: If you work with an EV as it should be used, it works. I travel around Europe and have no range issues and it all just............works. The second point is they are a great car, my GTS is probably up there as the best all-round car I've ever owned (and I've owned some nice cars). They are epic.
I’ll never be convinced to buy an EV. Too many issues and my property cannot support home charging.
I shouldn’t comment because I have never driven one, but the depreciation has been very well documented. How do you cope with that or is the depreciation something you haven’t experienced?
@@robertbroadbent3038 depreciation most certainly a thing… I bought mine occasion so it worked in my advantage. I don’t understand what you mean with “issues” though. It’s cheaper in use and requires less maintenance. Only thing: faster degrading tires from all the pulls😮💨
Why the move from the cross turismo to gts? Is there even a noticeable difference?
@@BenevolentDictator13 I was in the right place at the right time. I had a 4S on contract hire and 14 months into a 36 month contract Porsche offered to change my car for any Taycan of my choice from a list of 700 brand new available just before Christmas 2023. I decided a GTS was the one and essentially to get me into that car they discounted the deal by £40,000 and I started a new 36 month lease (at no additional cost to me). Happy days 🥳
@@robertbroadbent3038too many issues based on what? There’s been scaremongering but unless you’ve had first hand experience it’s all speculation
Bought my 4S used last summer. 233mi summer/ 184mi winter and have acheived those. Charging at home from my Solar or super cheap off-peak Octopus Agile, 10-7p/kWh. Even in winter, full charge for under £15. Public charging for EV ownership is just not viable for anything but road trips. Love the car and benefits easily outweigh the minor invonveniences of stopping more often on an occasional long run. Great review, balanced overview and useful experiences.
Porsche Dealers awash with EV cars buy this pay full price and lose at least £35,000 as soon as you drive away
Some of the comments here are worrying. A lot of people clearly get their EV ‘knowledge’ from the daily mail
I agree. I share many of these peoples’ reservations, however it’s perhaps clear they’ve never actually had their own experiences.
Thanks, @itsjoel. Enjoyed this one, and all of your videos of late have been great. Nice to see a genuine person being themselves on here.
I have an electric mini (admittedly, not my main car) - try one of those and compare to the Fiat 500 and see how you get on.
Looking forward to the next video.
Nice review joel.
I agree about the ride height staying up at up to 32mph.
With a base price of £111000
It seems mean to charge extra for electric folding mirrors, more again for auto dimming mirros and rear view mirror(£550 for both options) and extra cost for ambient lighting(£321)😮 never mind extra for a 5 seater variant .
I love the "brutal" reviews! Now let me get a beer and snacks 😁
Joel , I commented on the previous video, but just to say I think you're now leading the class of car reviewers for your in-depth and comprehensive analysis of what a car is actually like to live with. I love how you've progressed this channel to this point. Your review of the L460 Range Rover is definitive in how it covers the great bits and the not so great stuff. Good luck to you for the rest of 2024.
Thanks so much!
Thanks Joel, great video 👍
Thanks for watching!
Couldn't you find a dry spot to do the review?! I was wincing at the thought of you getting in the car with those muddy shoes! 😂
I had to put them in a bag and change shoes!
@@itsjoel did you put the car in a bag? What a silly location to park any car.
Fantastic review and really fresh to have somebody present a truly indifferent and unbiased review that also reflects my experience. As you point out, have a charger fitted at home and charge overnight at 7.5p/kWh for a 220+mile range and the price of public charging when you need to use it becomes largely irrelevant. If you have a drive with the ability to charge and do less than 200 miles a day most of the time, as the majority of the population do, there’s not much not to like. The automatic hate based on zero experience is so heavily prevalent in so many. Keep up the good work.
I’m glad you enjoyed the review! I try to approach these without bias, other than my previous experiences.
No freedom in an Ev. Who wants to keep going for a bite to eat and a coffee every time you have to charge up unless your at home. Fill up and go i say. My car grandland 65- 70 pounds to fill up in less than 5 mins and get nearly 500 miles to the tank full of petrol. Over 100.000 for that to depreciate massively, can you afford one i cant.
Bro, it's one charge London to Glasgow.
Home charging means 99% you never use public chargers and it'll only cost £2.
You'll spend less time charging that you will filling up over a year.
I understand, my friend. Just my opinion.
The tax benefits for business owners to lease them are very attractive.
35 minutes and your vidoes are so easy to watch the time flys by.agree with you about the litle fiat.
Thanks so much for watching, appreciate the comment too !
On the touch screen vs buttons topic, they won’t bring buttons back. Making good quality buttons and dials costs more than getting a touch screen from china to slap in there. And also the general public would rather have the touch screens because it looks more futuristic and makes them think they’re getting a high end product. Even though functionally they’re worse to use
Beautiful car Joel, I do love the shape of the Shooting Brake ( I'm an estate lover in general) as for charging cost v's fuel, what would running a 911 Turbo cost? or a bit more realistic Audi RS6? think it's a little unfair to compare it to the Diesel Range Rover even if it is a V8
Yes totally agree. Worked out that at £0.74 per KW it’s the equivalent of around 25mpg. So almost identical to the panamera turbo, or the two other cars you mentioned for that matter!
how long is the charging cap guaranteed for ?
Just picked a Taycan GTS as a long term loaner while my car is in for some work. Looking forward to seeing what it's like to live with.
Another good video 👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks for the review, would this possibly replace the cayenne?
Won’t be replacing the Cayenne, I would consider an EV in addition to the Cayenne though
The Maserati with it's glorious exhaust note is the reason why I'd have one of those rather than the Taycan.
I really felt like the Maserati was trolling me when I was behind him 😂
@@itsjoelFor me, it's what gives a car like that its soul. I'm sure the Taycan is a brilliant car, but you don't get the soundtrack that a Maserati will give you.
@@itsjoel want to buy my Quattroporte?
Yes Jon I might be interested! Contact my email: hello@itsjoel.co.uk @@JonWhitworth
@@itsjoel will drop you a line later on after work
Great to see such a well thought out and balanced review. Makes a change from some of the click grabbing reviews by others.
I decided last year that our climate is changing and that as a family we should try an EV as burning lots of fossil fuel is unfair to future inhabitants of our planet.
I really wanted a Taycan but decided to try a toe in the water with a used Tesla M3 first. My idea was that it would serve as our second car. However, after a few drives I decided to sell my 530 diesel BMW estate and run the Tesla as my daily. Whilst the range and charging can cause minor inconvenience its been great overall for our needs (we rarely drive more than 200 miles in a day). After doing 6000 miles in six months last week i took the plunge and purchased an ex demo Taycan 4s which was very well priced (around £20k less than the prices i saw just 6 months ago). As you say its fantastic to drive and every journey feels special. We now have two EVs (plus a 981 Boxster 3.4S for occasional use!) We charge at home 95% of the time and the cost is minimal using a smart EV tarriff. To each there own but i really dont understand some of the recent hate directed at EVs - perhaps the oil exporters are sponsoring misinformation?
Thanks for watching, and I really appreciate you sharing your experience. I think having a home charger is key here, and can make them really viable for 90% of people.
Literally heard nothing you said in the first 10 minutes, just kept thinking this muddy shoes wouldn't be getting in my car! Good video though
I was thinking as I was filming that all of the comments are going to be about the muddy shoes 🤦🏻
18:12 That's exactly what my Mrs said!
Have you seen Mark Mccann video A new Porsche Taycan at £170,000 brand new with delivery mileage,we buy any car offers £70,000.
Er no thanks
Is this the same Mark Mccann who took his entire £5M "supercar" fleet to WBAC for them to value it for £800K?
You would be certifiably insane or stupid to sell a brand new Porsche to WBAC at any time especially now.....the used car market is falling and is saturated with early Taycans coming off first lease and PCP deals....
Cars across the board can be bought at discount, you can even get a discount on brand new stock 911's!
In any event , depreciation is only a thing if you sell something and it isnt limited to electric vehicles.
In 2 years time it will be worth bugger all, you might just as well flush your money down the toilet.
Great review Joel! EV’s aren’t for me yet, I say yet because I think they are really cool but they have some growing todo before I invest $60,000 + in one. Cheers Kirk
So when you go abroad in this car the charging network chooses your route…….not the scenic route but the range anxiety route
There are a lot of these in my area zooming up and down to/from the tennis club. Depreciation City! Outside of the entertainment system I prefer a more analogue experience for other controls, I want to drive a car not a computer. Artificial sound?! Ha ha 😂.
width restrictions in london are 2.1m to stop trucks !
Great review. You’ve actually test driven an EV to develop an opinion from your experience. Others are doming themself a disservice to not at least test drive an ev especially if it actually works for them and their lifestyle.
The price is ridiculous. If you watch Mark's video on getting a GT3RS you will know these Taycans will depreciate like the clappers. He was losing £75k on each car without even driving it!! Surprised Porsche aren't giving these away
I know, crazy right! I loved Mark’s mini-series, very eye opening!
Here’s my thing with EV’s. A key point is actually on the MG website, which openly states the average lifespan of their EV Lithium Batteries are 10 years. The model S which is one of the oldest EV’s you can buy is 10 years old this year and the first 8 cars found on Autotrader at that age ALL had battery replacements. How many cars at 10 years old need a new engine? For something like a Porsche Taycan sitting at £120k, I’d feel pretty hard done by knowing id spent that money on a car with a big timer ticking down from 10 years to death.
Yep, I agree battery life is a real concern. We throw out our iPhones after 2-3 years when they stop holding charge…
I would say it would be more expensive than paying for a belt or Chain I know someone with a Prius and after 10 years it cost about 2000 to replace the hybrid battery and that's hybrid so idk about fully electric
The battery tech is changing rapidly. A battery from 10 years ago, even 5 years ago would have a limited lifespan. The understanding and software management of batteries means that lifespan will exceed the average life of a vehicle (11 years)
Newer EVs actually have good BMS systems so are expecting to last more than ten years. Also you can't really compare a phone which is a much smaller capacity with no management of its life e.g. cooling
@@09juliancarr The first bit of what I said, namely MG, is live on their website as of today and applies to the EV’s they currently sell. Might I add MG make one of the UK’s best selling EV’s. Interestingly VWAG also add the same 10 year disclaimer on their website.
Watch "The MacMaster" reviews on his Porsche Taycan. That thing has depreciated so much that he is well upside down on his car loan.
Muddy road and muddy shoes??!! Wtf Joel....
I only had a few hours before light ran out and had to drop the car back off at Porsche that evening! So once I had arrived at the location, it was too late to find somewhere else. I did have a bag for my shoes and spare pair though…
The ev for your spontaneous trips is a Tesla. Super reliable charging network if you need it and great efficiency on their cars
Road tax is coming on electric cars here in N.Z. $75 per 1000 kms. And $57 per 1000 kms for plug-in hybrids.
I’m originally from New Zealand and this is the kind of greedy abomination that keeps me from moving back home. New Zealand is at the forefront of pushing its citizens to be green in all manner of things, but this insane tax is insulting and disgraceful. Here in Texas, they may not be so keen on tree hugging ways, but I happily enjoy 9 cents per kWh home charging and a $200 per year EV registration additional fee. Kiwi’s should revolt by refusing to purchase EV’s and send a message to the idiots running the county into the ground.
no comment on the rear seat legroom!
Re the comment about the 500EV. You need to try the new Renault 5. It’s everything the 500EV should have been.
have u seen the headlights being stolen
The biggest elephant in the room is depreciation 😮have a look on line you can see them two years old for 55k.
For sure, I wouldn’t buy one new. But a 3-4 year old Taycan turbo at 50% off is attractive
@@itsjoelIt is until you remember it's an electric car and the battery is probably knackered. They really aren't very attractive beyond the warranty period.
Anyone with an EV currently has a home charger. Mine is 7p a kwh or £4 to fill up.
Save me about £2k year compared to fuel. Full every day too, so spend less time charging than I would do filling up the wifes diesel.
Have you noticed any degradation having it full every day? Or by full do you mean manufacturers recommended level?
@@ninjataisen2007 it's LFP so it's ok to go to 100%
It's dropped from 270 to 260 after 20k, which should be most of its degrade as it'll flatten out more now.
Id buy one with a 1.8 toyota engine. And only the front seats in it.
The older I’ve got the less interesting I find 0-60 of even 0-100 times. In fact, haven’t been bothered about that performance trait since I was …. 18 and read MaxPower and got a semi looking at a Demon Tweaks catalog 🤔. Traffic light burn outs facile and wanky because inevitably you have to stop again in 1/2 mile.
My biggest worry with electric vehicles is the longevity/cost of the battery
That’s crazy. I pay .07 cents per kw hour in Spokane wa USA
great looking car but the depreciation as the batteries get older ...
Great video. Odd choice to stand in a muddy field though.
I’d ran out of time to go elsewhere!
You've had it a week and it's depreciated 50k..... bargain!
Also couldn't they make the bonnet shorter considering it hasn't got an engine!
I can understand why anyone would be impressed driving this car or any other EV for the first time. It's a different experience! However, the average driver is not looking for sub 4sec 0-60 mph, one hour waits to charge up, huge depreciation, and the annoying distractions of on-screen controls. EV is not the answer at the moment. Good YT vid Joel 👍🏻
Much the same could be said for ICE Porsche products or for that matter a Diesel Range Rover - how many people take advantage of the off road abilities of those? There are several cheaper and more practical EVs coming down the line this year.
I can be brutally honest too. For the vast majority of the population a Porsche is out of reach financially and an electric one even more so. If my hearse is electric I will come back and haunt you.
ionity passport has a £65 yearly charge ..
If you wanna burn money, buy this car new and sell it after 1-2 years😢
Is the Porsche charging service looks good as you can save a fortune. Rapid charging your EV will degrade the battery faster than slower charging so if you own the car it might be an issue. Due to the lack of investment in the charging network EV's don't work for most people on longer trips. Perhaps the money wasted by the government on HS2 should have been spent on chargers and road improvements instead of saving 20 minutes for MP's to get to and from London ?
Good job that didn’t have a big V8 as even with electric we could hardly hear you or maybe you need new mic’s
You can’t put any positive spin on having to wait around wasting time for a car to charge. ICE is still far superior in this respect. 2 minutes filling and paying for fuel. Swipe your card at the pump and get in with your day never having to set foot in the shop to pay.
Did you really need to park in a field of muck?
I was very anti EV, yet I have a Q4 on order. What gives? Well, I test drove one…..that was all it took 😁
I think lots of the anti EV commenters have likely never driven an electric car. They all drive fantastically, this Taycan particularly so. Despite all the infrastructure and range issues, they are very appealing at least in this sense.
@@itsjoel I live in the far west of NI. Most of my journeys are between 16-50 miles and I have substantial parking at home so my hope is I won’t have to use public charging. For the longer journeys (200-250 miles) which are associated with my business I’ll still be using my diesel van.
Wife saw one not in roadside parking bay because it was too fat and refused to even try one
Well, you sure picked a nice place to get your shoes dirty and also the car :D
I had a spare pair for the car!
That racetex looks grubby already, wipeclean for the win!
Does Porsche do a lot of OTA updates? Do they implement new features via software like Tesla? Coming from Audi where new features could be implemented with software they've made customers update their car instead so I'm a bit over paying premium $ to be treated like a stooge
Great review still wouldn't touch with a bargepole 😂
Thanks for watching!
I have a 23 GTS. Previous car was 20 Model S LR and before that an S 75. Owned EVs since 2012. The P-car is masterfully engineered and superior to the Tesla in most regards although the app reeks of Volkswagen and isn’t. But it is also too low for a four-door saloon, is too wide, too long, too heavy, has far too many slow-witted touch screens, isn’t rousing to own or drive, and compared to the Model S the range is terrible: a full charge (5C, UK winter) shows 220-230 miles. Heaven knows how bad the Turbo and Turbo S are when a regular 80% fill of the Tesla would show more than 290 miles. My experience with the Taycan has made me want to leave EVs far, far behind and buy a 911, and my advice to prospective owners would be to take a very long test drive with someone sensible and look past the looks, throttle response and acceleration. Because like most battery cars it has all the thrill and passion of a Liebherr refrigerator. Makes the same sort of noises too.
Problem is those of us with family and a dog won’t fit in a 911!
@@paulyallop7501 while that's true, there's still the matter of range: fully loaded means my GTS won't go more than 90-100 miles (a figure additionally dependant on terrain, outside temperature and avg speed) without needing a 100% recharge to simply to loop back home. If you start out at less than 100% this problem is even worse. And this is before we get into matters of the Taycan's depreciation and insurance - running costs that early adopters rarely discussed, because they were trivial, but which are now huge. What you, your family and four-legged friend really want is a Macan. This is an exceptional car, in that it drives like a super saloon and yet has all the benefits of a midsize SUV. And you can drive to the south coast of the UK or France without any sort of advance planning and beta blockers.
Think you need a new mic,sound quality whilst in the car is terrible
It bugs my OCD that you take these cars to muddy fields to do your camera piece. Oh the muddy shoes
You and me both. I hadn’t enough time to switch locations that day, however I did bring a bag and a spare pair of shoes to at least save the cars interior.
Loads of these Parked up at dealers with batteries in “critical state” with a 20mtr exclusion zone around them.
And Pretty much worthless 2nd hand. Nobody wants them…
Be worth nothing in 6 months, like the rest of electric Porsches
Drop like a stone and Porsche can't shift them - I think they mainly sell them to people who want a GT product - and make them buy 3 of them!!!!
or just get a petrol Panamera
Another person trying to push the EV adgenda, I predicted nearly 10 years ago we'd be in this situation & within the next 10 synthetic fuels & hydrogen will be all the rage. Imagine wanting to go for drive & leaving your phone at home, not possible in an EV 😅
I don’t think you watched the whole video!
@@itsjoel if you say so.
We don’t have another 10 years waiting for some new technology - the planet is heating up fast. Powering EVs with solar and wind is the best option for now. We will need to start eating rice instead of potatoes if it keeps raining!
@@paulyallop7501 the planet isn't heating up fast, thats the most crazy thing heard this year. Did you know there's about a 700 year lag on temperature increase so anything us humans have done over the last 300 years won't be felt for about 400 years. You do know wind turbines & solar panels are manufactured using fossil fuels & endup in landfill?
@@hondafanjames7150 I respect your opinions but I prefer to take evidence from highly qualified scientists who present overwhelming evidence of global warming.
What a lot of hassle! I’d still walk past an EV and buy an ICE car.
I was really hoping you were going to explain to your viewers how the 120000£ asking price can become less than 30 in 8 months I would love you to explain to your viewers how an official Porsche agent will not take your car in part x because they don't want any more electric cars they need to sell the new ones they have piled up round their lot you didn't really explain the 13000 a year insurance bill so these sort of practicalities were missed off your review
Porsche engineers magically get their cars to handle better each generation..and wider it's lazy
Pet hate "they've made this more practical because it's wider" then do a lap of the local ncp.. no? Can't afford the rim damages car reviewers?? Then stop saying wider is better
Probably a misplaced rant!
Stay away from electric vehicles if you value your social mobility and care about the environment.
Dash looks boring in my opinion
Can’t stand EVs. Soulless cars.
Unsubscribed after this comment, I wouldn't waste my time watching the video about that crap They are not cars they are computers on wheels. I liked your videos up until now especially the XC90 one, but then you fall into this crap. Good luck.
Why the heck wouldn't he jump at the chance to test any new EV
His channel needs to grow, reviewing any car,new or old, petrol/diesel/ hybrid or ev can only help with viewer clicks 👍up and subscriber numbers.
Embarrassing comment 😂
What a child you are 🤣 stop reading the daily mail
@@BHBeckenbauer
Seems you didn't want to leave after all.
@@brianiswrong think you got me mixed up with the other user
EV’s are a scam