RUNWAY INCURSION | Japanese B787 Enters Runway Without Permission at San Diego
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According to ADS-B data, JAL65 entered the runway when DAL2287 was on a 2 mile final.
I’m glad the controller noticed quickly! That could’ve been bad
Delta woulda noticed
They also have an ASDE
Missed opportunity for the Delta pilot to say to ATC " affirmative on the alert...there was a big bird on final" going around.
Almost got a big bird strike
In this situation that levity would not have been taken well overall. What's needed during that type of an event is official procedural communication and maintaining clarity. If the Delta pilot had made your comment his own administrative structure would have said something about it. You don't want to be that person.
ATC should realize their rapid-fire instructions to foreign language pilots may play a part in mistakes such as this one. Slowing down the pace of instructions and frequent changes will lead to fewer mistakes by foreign (and domestic) pilots.
I'm delighted to hear that the controllers spoke in a really nice, calm and humane tone which is not always the case among the recordings on this channel. 😊
Not that being an idiot and risking the lives of hundreds of people merits a calm and humane tone or anything….
San Diego baby 😎
From the comments figured I’d post some background for those unfamiliar… SAN runs Rwy 27 over 90% of the time. When there’s bad weather and planes can’t make it in on 27 they’ll do rwy 9 ops. This leads to congestion on the taxiway just in front of the terminals with departures needing to lineup where arrivals are taxiing to as well. Due to performance issues, aircraft such as the JAL flight will request to take off from 27 and have to taxi out towards 27 against the direction of traffic and wait for 30min to an hour for a hole in the arrivals to be able to take off opposite direction. Some mentioned unnecessary taxiing, they’ll usually stick planes on taxiway J or D out of the way as they wait to be able to use 27.
@rlshky with the number of cancellations on that particular day, I highly doubt that taxiway Bravo would have been so congested that a back taxi would have been necessary. I know it had been raining hard. I don't know the conditions at the moment, but I would expect they were improving if the active runway had reverted back to runway 27. I think the tower was trying to squeeze JAL in before Delta when it was unnecessary.
Thanks for the detail on SAN operation, I'm not a pilot so it's helpful to get an explanation of how this airport works. Definitely confusing, and the fact that they only have one full-length taxiway makes things more difficult.
I noticed that coming out of their gate, after passing the "2" marking, there's a "A" marking for the other direction with no corresponding centerline. Our brains generally have no issue reading text upside down (to the point we don't even notice), so I'm wondering if the pilots thought this was pointing to their centerline for B (and therefore thought that was A)? Confirmation bias could have blocked all signs that they were entering the runway.
I often take my son to watch planes at Lindbergh and we were there when this happened and we saw it play out in real time. I was, frankly, shitting bricks because I thought I was about to watch a disaster happen 100 yards from me.
The ATC on USA airports sure sounds lot different than on European ones. I do not know enough about ATC to qualify this precisely, but
1) I understand European controllers lot more (I am not native speaker, also not the case in THIS video)
2) The instructions sound clearer to me in less stressed atmosphere. Also they seem to be giving more attention / room / options to declared emergencies.
3) The planes seem to have bigger spacing (to my amateur eyes).
Maybe just a skewed view because we see so few European videos? Maybe the few we see are from less trafficed airports?
They do sound different though.
Lol. Delta saying "so long!"
Is he not coming back?
That's what I thought. It was a 'go around' instruction, but the pilot dropped the 'so long' as if he's annoyed and decided to divert to another airport and gave a 'bye, s*ckers' of some sort :v
Could just be right before lunch time & shift change
He'd be switching to departure freq
Size matters!
@@Indrakusuma_aRight. He probably was annoyed. They usually use 27 in bad weather conditions and the landing takes forever when there is a low ceiling.
They changed the taxi instructions so many times. Pilots are still responsible for following them, but when so many different directions are given it opens the door for confusion
I was thinking that, especially dealing with someone for who English isn't a first language.
I don't think communication was the issue, otherwise the pilots would not have read back the instructions correctly.
There is no way they pilot heard anything close to line up and wait or cross runway...
He probably just didn't realize he was entering the runway.
@@jort93z The pilot was definitely not expecting to line up and wait, since he needed to taxi all the way to the other end of the runway to take off (JAL was departing using 27, not 09).
No experienced pilot flying these planes crosses a runway when he's not sure if he had clearance too. We won't even talk about the simple fact that he should be looking out the window to see if a plane is on final before crossing or entering any runway.
They did change the instructions a lot, but none of them could remotely have been confused for "enter the runway" or "cleared for takeoff". If they went to B7 instead of B8 I could get it. But not on a runway.
We've already seen a crash of a A320-neo & A350 in recent history due to runway incursion, we do not need to see a 787 next! Glad ATC and the Delta pilot caught it in time
The "big one" is coming. Everybody in Aviation knows it. Especially the Insurers!
@@rileysteve It happened a long time ago in Tenerife. Hard to get much worse than two loaded 747's colliding at speed.
@@TylerEaves Air Canada lined up on final for the busy taxiway was almost it.
Incredible footage and tens of feet from disaster.
@@TylerEaves i mean two full a380s sounds worse..
@@GIANNHSPEIRAIAShighly improbable due to low amount of A380s flying post-covid
japan air made a mistake no doubt, but in a longer version of this(not ads for other chan, love you Vas!)
you can see a long and weird ground movement until the actual line up. controller changed instruction too many and said it very quickly.
You still don't cross a runway without explicit clearance.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 yes for sure,but with a little bit of care, it might be avoidable.
controllers need to be super careful with foreign pilots. you don't know if they received proper training in the language of communication, least of all in abnormal situations like this
@@Sabot276 I've seen the longer version of this, I got annoyed when the controller asked the pilots if there was a confusion in the instruction while changing instructions many times because I don't think it's appropriate to ask that question while they're backtracking on the runway while receiving too many amendments with the instructions. Besides, they should ask if there was a confusion with the instructions when the Japanese pilots call the phone number they gave, that's the time when the pilots need to explain why they deviated.
@@ro-86alkonost78well, they were giving him a chance to throw out a reason for the confusion. If he thought he heard something else and it was a plausible story, he may not get violated. Instead, the supervisor jumped straight in and gave the number.
Back taxi is not being used properly by the controller after the incursion.
My thoughts as well
Back taxi should be used when referring to opposite taxi direction compared to the departure direction/ landing direction.
@@widgeonrblx8543 Japan Air is probably too heavy to clear the hills at the end of runway 9, so is probably taking off on 27 so for him, he is back taxiing. San Diego is weird like that. When San Diego is landing on 9, it causes all kinds of delays to accomodate opposite direction departures
@@russvan9683 listening to it again, I think you’re correct, except that the controller never mentioned a runway in his taxi clearances. “Proceed onto bravo and hold short of the runway at bravo 9.” I think if this was the intent, shouldn’t the clearance be Taxi to runway 27 via bravo hold short of runway 27 at bravo9. This clearance would require a read back stating the full call sign and runway.
Additionally stating “expect back taxi” likely introduces confusion and encourages expectation bias.
All around good ATC catch here, but there was definitely α communication breakdown from both sides. Non standard phraseology, procedures, improper read backs, and vague information. Lots of holes in the cheese.
@@sncy5303 you're forgetting "cross runway" as an entering instruction, and IIRC "backtrack runway" provides clearance to enter and taxi via?
Geez, never knew an airport with literally one single runway could require so many taxi amendments and taxi instructions. As a controller I always speak slower and keep the instructions to bare minimum for international flights because the language barrier. At this airport it seems they like to do the opposite.
Now don’t get me wrong, it seemed like the Japan pilot did a good job with readbacks, but they still entered the runway without instructions so yes it’s on the pilots here, but controllers didn’t do them any favors whatsoever.
Its the busiest single runway airport in the world. Probably part of it
I think they thought the runway was Bravo. Bravo goes through
the apron in reality and isn't separate by grass or anything. Bravo appeara like a taxilane, not a taxiway which can lead to confusion. They were probably expecting it to be apron, grass, then Bravo. It is just Apron, Bravo Runway.
I wonder how they missed the fat hold short line and presumably the hold short lights.
@@jort93z : normally the answer is confirmation bias.
That's what I was thinking. And looking at the imagery, if you were taxiing and saw the displaced threshold straight ahead, your brain might not necessarily register it as the runway.
Thats what I was thinking. Most layouts I've seen have alpha and bravo paralell, so they might have expected it to be the second turn
I remember this the day that it happened. The weather was atrocious that day, and San Diego International was running reverse ops with runway 9 being the active runway. The questions begin with the tower informing JAL they could do a back taxi. The first question I had was at what point did reverse ops end, and normal ops returning to runway 27 start. International flights at San Diego come out of Terminal 2 West, which is pretty much at the departure end of runway 9. The back taxi instruction may have seemed ok except for one thing. Had the tower instructed JAL to use taxiway Bravo, which is a straight shot all the way to the hold point on Runway 27, Delta would not have had to do a go around, because JAL would not have been on the active runway. And then ATC gave JAL a scenic ground tour of the airport taxiway system. A simple solution would have had JAL hold at the gate until they were certain of the instructions before giving them changes on the fly that they had issues with being clear on. Seems like todays' ATC are focused on moving planes instead of passenger safety. Anyone who has checked will see that runway incursions are on the rise. It's just a matter of time.
Spot on!
JAL was wanting to depart on 27, even though 9 was in use. They couldn't taxi on B because it would cause a conflict with other traffic taxiing the opposite way on B for a runway 9 departure. I think the plan was for them to taxi down to runway 27 via backtracking on the runway in order to avoid traffic taxiing west (in the opposite direction) on B towards runway 9.
@@punkstjimmyF1@punkstjimmyF1 Not an expert on SAN operation, but seeing how busy the airport is, I think you are right. Although I believe their plan was to make them taxi on the runway till Charlie 6 and then take Charlie to get to RWY 27 threshold. It will reduce the time spent on the runway, simplify the 180 turn etc.. But from terminal 2 or he uses Bravo against the traffic flow or he taxis on the runway.
It wasn't an A350, it was actually a 787-8.
Affirm, it was a B787
Though would be cool if JAL flew the big A350 to San Diego :0
@@deltafox757British Airways and Lufthansa fly them daily into SAN
@@rlshky Would be cool if Japan Airlines flew their A350s to SAN. Not BA or LH.
Would be cool if JAL flew their A350s properly without crashing 😮
0:18 I never realised it before, but this looks almost fractal!
The following 10 minutes or so that have been cut out was also quite interesting. The controllers basically forced the pilot to taxi all over the airport in what seemed like some kind of retalliation
Probably not retaliation.
Bias, you think that way because the video doesn’t show all traffics on the taxiways and aprons. Also, sometimes ATCs instruct aircraft to make detours for the purposes of preventing them run into traffic jam or sit idle because their gates are still occupied
Triggered much?
Last words were: Roger, Thank you, Sorry, Sir. Very polite with a thing for runway incursions apparently.
he knows hes in trouble and will be writing a big report
Maybe just me, but I would think ATC would speak to international pilots a bit more slowly. I monitor KSAN tower and am proud of our ATC’s competence & civility. I remember our weather that day too. Nasty visibility with reverse ops. So glad everyone safe.
wow. that was a lot of changes in instructions in a short period of time. did instructions get trimmed during the fast forwarded section, as well? if so, i can imagine what led to this...
Although the controller was calm and assured, he twice made the error of instructing JAL to “back taxi” RWY9. To “back taxi” is to use the runway as a taxiway in the OPPOSITE direction that it is being used for take off and landing. He should’ve instructed them to taxi on RWY9 to vacate at B7.
Thankfully it didn’t appear to add to what must have been a stressful situation for the JAL crew.
Not sure the lingo at every airport, but this was post the controller nullifing the situation. So however way he want that plane to depart the runway, seems like his command. Controller nailed it.
Unfortunate incident, but professionally handled and crisis averted. I don't know what caused JAL to get it wrong, but I'm sure we'll find out in due time.
Once the controller said “Backtaxi” I can understand the JAL pilot’s even greater confusion since that is not a widely used term outside of the US.
As an Aussie it confused me a bit. It's not an instruction to either back track or taxi on runway.
he should have asked though, if he did not understand that word.
@vanessaruiz4705 she should use standard ICAO phraseology, that's what she is paid to do.
I don't understand the backtaxi instruction. They are already at the end of the runway????
Backtaxi technically means using the runway to taxi against the direction of operations, but most of the time it just means using the runway to taxi. They were given instruction to enter the runway at B7/B8 and backtaxi to the threshold. Later on they were instructed to backtaxi the other direction, which technically isn't a backtaxi but is often called such also.
@WilburLin Yea I understood the first one. But the second one made no sense. Sounds like they just used the wrong terminology.
@@Pratik4311 I don't know if it's wrong. I hear it all the time when flying, admittedly I fly to mainly smaller GA fields which often require more backtaxi-ing.
@WilburLin I'm only 250hrs, I'm sure I'll hear it too at some point
@4311 I think it matters more where you fly out of. I'm at even less than you. But my first school was a single runway with half of a parallel taxiway...
A JAL aircraft and runway incursion in the same sentence does NOT sound good nowadays.
Runway incursion by any aircraft on any day does not sound good. Are these incidents getting more frequent or is it just perception because the public is seeing more information?
@@NelsonBrownI think he's referencing Japan Air 516.
@@SurveyCaptainAkari
Obvious if you follow these videos.
Well it wasn’t JP’s fault in Tokyo…
Says 787 and not A350
Close call! Glad all of the controllers acted quickly and things turned out well. It's crazy how often these runway incursions have been happening lately!
ATC should slow down, and use standard language when communicating with foreign carriers. I've seen there's a race amongst the ATC in US on who can speak the fastest.
Having working ASDE-X help tremendously.
From reading the comments, I'd like to see a revision of this with ALL taxi instructions to JAL. Seems context is important here.
This is a good catch by ATC and handled the situation nicely. I think Japan 65 pilot monitoring wasn’t taking notes of the taxi instruction. He entered the runway at the wrong place. That delta flight would have initiated a call for go around if they noticed the airplane positioning for take off.
Go ahead and listen to the full atc recordings (another 10 minutes). The atc basically forced them to taxi all around the airport, pretty unnecessarily. Language borders exist, so if you have an asian crew around you should do better than that, changing instructions multiple times and fueling the confusion. It's SO SO SO important to have clear communication. No fast, hardly understandable blabbling, clear pronunciation. Especially when you're not talking to native speakers. Of course, eventually the pilots made a mistake, but it ain't all black and white in this case.
well handled. mistakes were made and caught. eventhough i think i speak english pretty well, everytime i fly into the US it's still confusing as heck
They usually don't "use" Runway 9 in San Diego. (Runway 27 is the usual direction due to normal wind direction.)
Time to review airport signs and charts
A lot of contrite tones in the JAL65 pilot's voice after he realized his mistake.
Yeah for sure. I appreciate his humility throughout this incident. Not all pilots own their mistakes. I’d drink a beer with that guy.
Japanese tend to be very polite 👍
0:08: I like how ATC responds with NINER instead of nine. She's singing my song.
Phonetics are SO important. Learned that in the Oz Army 50 years ago, never forgot.
Bet she says " fife" as well.
@@greebo7857 and "tree"
Controllers usually but not always more professional on the radio than pilots, at least in the USA anyway.
@@xs10z Good catch. 2:01, for the record.
@@xs10z Affirm, I noticed "tree" on the departure frequency as well.
American controllers should be trained to just slow down when speaking to foreign carriers. Use standard ICAO phraseology. Constant amendments to instructions…. I’m not saying the Japan air wasn’t at fault but ATC didn’t help the matter. Slow down, speak clearly. English isn’t everyone’s first language
I like how the Pilot didn’t justify or explain himself and just accepted his mistake. ATC did a great job but they need to speak a little slower with International Airlines, that would help.
"Delta 2287, Go Around. We just got another bird advisory at the approach end, with a larger one spotted this time. Appears to be a migratory Boeing 787 in Japan Airlines livery."
Do the cirrus at KCHS around 5pm. Caused a jet to do a go around
The JL pilots made 2 mistakes. Was told to hold short at B9 and he entered the runway at B10. Should the captain not clear the left side entering the runway and/or would the Delta not have been visible at 2 miles when he cleared the left side?
Since they used the unusual RW9 approach, which was due to a rainstorm around the area, they most probably weren't in sight.
Sort of odd that the controller changed the instruction and actually asked him to go down an extra exit just to back taxi further up the runway. Could be a contributing factor, if he though he was being given a closer intersection.
Well done ATC keeping shit moving and spotting tragic events before they happen. This could have been really bad.
If you are at MTOW, out of San Diego, toward the city, the terrain is almost 500 feet higher after you rotate, and it’s 30 seconds flight time before you clip the apartment buildings next to balboa park. Refuse to accept that take-off clearance unless you’re a B757 or an F-18 that is light enough to do 1500 fpm on one engine. Just tell the controller “unable”.
Flew into SD once and was amazed at the congestion around the airport. I’m a GA pilot and was impressed with how the pilots handle that tight airspace
Was expecting another language deficiency situation, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Maybe Juan has a take on this, I’ll have to check his channel.
Isn't landing on 9 at SAN rare, don't they normally approach over the city?
There was bad WX. Minimums for 27 were too low
rainstorm
I don't know enough to know what 9 is, but they usually approach over the city, yes. I've noticed on Wed mornings and I think during high wind/storms they reverse and come in over Pt Loma. I've always wondered why on Wed mornings though.
They'd rather use 27, but 9 is the only ILS due to terrain.
Hey can you do a reenactment of the piper PA-28 that crashed on the southern state highway in Farmingdale Long Island?
The pilot sounds pretty despondent when he gets told to copy the number.
Oopsy
"Yes, I'm sorry :("
what happens after? should a pilot call to a tower by phone? how can he call from a plane without a local sim? what are consequences? do they fine a pilot or aircompany?
Yes it’s in the pilots to follow instructions but the ATC is partially to blame for the daft and excessive taxi instructions as well, especially for non-English native. Full ATC recording reflects this. I’d put the ATC controller in for some additional training or given advice to not over complicate things unnecessarily.
Total amateur here but that ground controller talked way too fast and seemed to use a lot of words to make fairly simple instructions. The female controller was far clearer.
Just an outsiders opinion.
close call.
Question: what do pilots do when there’s a “bird advisory”? They can’t actually avoid a bird strike, right?
Bird advisory reminds pilots to keep an eye out for birds to try to mitigate bird strikes. If you see them soon enough, you might have time to either dip below or fly above them before flying through the flock and remain on track for approach. Just like 'watch for wildlife' signs on the side of the road. Doesn't mean they're there, just keep an eye out for them in case they are.
they can’t drive…. They can’t fly
At least for once ATC caught the error well before a close call and everyone remained calm and professional about it.
For once? ATC catches potential conflicts well in advance every day…
I guess I'm wondering about a couple things that seems strange here. First, why was SAN using reverse operations (runway 9 instead of their usual 27) here for the landing aircraft? I know there are some cases where they do that, but it clearly wasn't the wind direction (160), and I don't remember any major fog around here recently that would require runway 9's ILS. Second, and even stranger, why on earth would the controller have someone backtaxi on the runway (their ONLY runway) instead of just having them taxi eastward on Bravo to the runway 27 end like almost everyone does? SAN is the busiest single-runway airport in the world; you really can't afford to be using that runway for anything other than takeoffs and landings.
Anyone have any additional context for this incident that could help explain it?
Southwest was on bravo headed to 9. Another person explained that due to terrain on the 9 departure some heavy jets still require 27 despite the tailwind.
@@watashiandroid8314 Ok, so Southwest going the opposite direction was blocking B. And ya, taking off on 9 is not fun with all the obstacles and terrain to the east of SAN. That makes more sense, thanks.
Check it out.
They didn't give them a phone number to call
Yes, they did
Didn't the same thing just happen like 2 weeks ago also at SAN?
The incident in this video occurred on 6 February.
Does anybody know what happens to them after they call that number? What is said to them?
What did he do, and why did he do it???
What are you supposed to do with a bird advisory? Dodge the birds?
Mistaken runway as taxiway?
What is it with some controllers at international airports; talking a mile a minute; using complex language; they need better training for those with english as a second language.
The complex language is actually standard phrasing that the pilot should recognize. "Hold at" shouldn't need a lot of thought.
You missed my point. if all he said was taxi right on, bravo, hold at bravo 10, and said it slowly the Japanese pilot would’ve understood it a lot better than a rush of words. You can defend them all you want, but the fact is that American phraseology is really lousy. Listening to our traffic control in Switzerland. For example, it’s very easy to understand it at all. Makes sense, same in Amsterdam. It’s time for the phraseology people at the FAA to get their heads out of their butts.
@@kellyem33 didn't the pilot read the instruction back correctly?
@@saltrocklamp199he read them back just fine. However we don’t want facts to get in the way of a good old fashioned rant at how f***ked up America is though.
I’m not defending the Japanese pilot. I’m saying that the phraseology the controllers use, and their lack of awareness of the limitations of people who speak English as a second language, needs to be addressed.
What happens after a "pilot deviation"? Is that a mark on a pilot's career where it'll follow them forever, or is it a slap on the wrist for not paying attention?
The same type of incident happened in Japan only two months ago and it is related to Japan's pilots. Now again??
Asian airlines have a problem with the English level of their pilots. Also ATC needs to be careful with speaking too fast as their instructions can be not properly understood
Feel sorry for the Pilot. Got he fired?
Not really, perhaps he will be disciplined
It's a poor airport design coming off the ramp of terminal 2 west is a straight shot onto r/w 9. Newly constructed ramps require a 90° turn to help avoid incursions.
Additional the proper ICAO phraseology is "backtrack" not back taxi. A US based pilot would not be confused, but this is obviously not a US based pilot.
The number of times they changed his taxi instructions were ridiculous.
Easy mistake to make, however reprimandable. The controllers could have slowed down their comms with the obviously ESL pilot. I sure appreciate it with ESL controllers overseas.
What’s the purpose of the bird advisory? They can’t exactly dodge them….
Is it just me, or there was also a language barrier and limited non-standard english comprehension by the crew?
Second runway incursion by Japanese crew in a week! 🤯
They not familiar with "backtaxi" move
p.s. my mistake. Saw this incursion week ago on other channel.
From a complexity point of view, I'm not sure why the complicated backtaxi was necessary. Granted, I'm not a pilot - I'm an amateur linguist. Why not simply hold JAL65 short of the runway at B10? The added complexity of a future backtaxi seemed arbitrarily confusing, especially considering the pilot's first language was not likely English.
What's the other one?
Runway assignment was not given by ground on the initial taxi instruction. And they were landing 09 but taking off 27 so it should have been 'back taxi 27' not 'back taxi 09'. Ground controller should own part of this one.
@eGitzen An airline pilot should be fluent in English since every tower in the world will use English. I could understand if he was just a private pilot.
I think they're familiar. They did it here. The issue is KSAN is small and I can see a unfamiliar crew doing this. Still though, the captain (and FO) need to do better at looking at the taxiway signs period.
Good thing it wasn't a Southwest flight on landing approach
It sounds like the JAL pilot's comprehension of English isn't all it could be. I used to tell my copilots that they should be very glad that, years ago, someone didn't decide that the international air traffic control language would be Japanese or Chinese.
Seeming to be more common for foreign airline runway incursions.
Can't blame the Canadians 😂
Pilot sounds like he's half asleep and struggling to stay awake.
A case of the butterflies or bad communication due to language? How can pilots at this point in their careers NOT know they have just turned onto the active runway? I wish those phone calls to Lindbergh Tower could be recorded!!!😱🙄 PS Recently there was an incursion that cost the lives of 6 Coast Guard flyers and a beautiful Boeing 787. However in this case, ATC was at fault.😥
It's not only language, remember the AA crew in JFK? Their readback was correct and yet still messed up
They most likely are and you can FOIA the tapes.
Human being make mistakes.
Fatigue, maybe? KSAN only has one runway surface (09-27), so it's pretty clear when you're on a taxiway vs. runway. The displaced threshold of RWY 9 (where the incursion occurred) has proper hold-short markings that require a runway clearance to cross. Really hard to screw something like this up at a simple layout like KSAN.
And yes, the phone calls to ATC that result from a Brasher warning are recorded. I don't know if they're ever publicized, but maybe they can be? I'm pretty sure I've heard Harrison Ford's Brasher call from when he inadvertently landed on a taxiway.
Yep. I know there are at least 2 topics the pilots union do not agree on. CAMERA'S IN THE COCKPITS AND PSYCH EVALS. MH370 would not be a mystery if there were cams connected to the FDR at least. I know there have been countless incursions though@@sdluke
That explains why that coast guard plane entered the runaway in Hanaida recently. Wow. Kudoes the arc for seeing and averting. Love those guys.
What a disaster
why does japanese airlines/planes keep messing up lately?
Have you been following for the past 12 months? This happens frequently in the US - it’s just one of the JAL incursions resulted in an accident.
Stop bar for runway is pretty obvious even to a student pilot……geeeez.
Whats with Japan and runway incursions lately? Seriously, it just blew up this year in particular
What’s wrong with the Japanese pilots.
If the graphics here is correct, the go around was absolutely not nessary and a waste of fuel! Another "go around controller" who panics. I know that the "sticklers" are not agreeing with me, but that is ok. 😏
How can pilots get to the level of flying a machine of that caliber and not apply themselves to learn English to a truly proficient level?
Looks like you tried really hard to make yourself seem great at writing in English. Why don't you just put that kind of energy into something else.
Why can’t Asian airlines actually hire pilots that are fluent in English, (the international aviation language)
Because too many english-speaking people are asshoIes who think they don’t have to make any effort to understand and be understood by non-native english speakers.
The Japanese seem to have a habit of taking runways without permission...
They do try to emulate Americans in a lot of things, don't they?
First?
It’s an odd day when SAN is talking off and landing on runway 9.. only like 1% of the time they use east flow..
Denied, why are you here?
At anything.
Is 9 how they call the runway when they're landing from the west?
@cer That runway is always called 9 or 27. The active runway is determined by the direction from which the wind is most closely aligned.