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RUNWAY EXCURSION + GEAR COLLAPSE | United B737-8 MAX at Houston
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2024
- 08/MAR/2024
United B737 MAX performing flight from Memphis to Houston landed safely on runway 27 when the aircraft skidded off the runway while exiting, resulting in the left main gear to collapse becoming disabled.
**IMPORTANT:**
The first Tower audio clip that I found did not include part of the conversation before "United 2477, right at SC. Contact the ramp, good day." See the transcript below. Clip will be updated on my Twitter and Instagram version.
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UAL2477: Tower, United 2477.
IAH TWR: United 2477, Tower.
UAL2477: How does our spacing look? Can we roll all the way down to the end?
IAH TWR: Keep your speed up and that's approved.
UAL2477: Okay, United 2477, will do.
IAH TWR: United 2477, right at SC. Contact the ramp, good day.
[Rest of audio in the video]
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Sorry for this omitted conversation which of course was NOT omitted on purpose. For some reason the mp3 file that I used had this part blank.
Weather report:
KIAH 081353Z 19005KT 1 1/2SM BR BKN008 OVC018 23/22 A2971 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 1/2 SLP059 T02280217=
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****IMPORTANT:****
The first Tower audio clip that I found did not include part of the conversation before "United 2477, right at SC. Contact the ramp, good day." See the transcript below. Clip will be updated on my Twitter and Instagram version.
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UAL2477: Tower, United 2477.
IAH TWR: United 2477, Tower.
UAL2477: How does our spacing look? Can we roll all the way down to the end?
IAH TWR: Keep your speed up and that's approved.
UAL2477: Okay, United 2477, will do.
IAH TWR: United 2477, right at SC. Contact the ramp, good day.
[Rest of audio in the video]
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Sorry for this omitted conversation which of course was NOT omitted on purpose. For some reason the mp3 file that I used had this part blank.
As always, thanks to those who report incidents via Twitter, Instagram or email. It helps a lot to have these videos up so quick after the event occurs.
KIAH 081353Z 19005KT 1 1/2SM BR BKN008 OVC018 23/22 A2971 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 1/2 SLP059 T02280217=
i will never knowingly fly on that POS plane
Another piece of weather info:
The FICON for Runway 9/27 at the time of this incident was 3/3/3
@@bilyonarelifestile2226 your comment is incredibly dumb
@@user-pf5xq3lq8iReally! Per VAS: "Sorry for this omitted conversation which of course was NOT omitted on purpose. For some reason the mp3 file that I used had this part blank." I wait with bated breath your perfect renditions of these sort of events.
I guess they did manage to keep their speed up.
Aviation: Having a horrible 2024
VASAviation: Business is BOOMING
As to aviation having a bad year you'd have to actually do the statistical work to say that with any credibility.
United: Glad to help.
@@erickborling1302you don’t have to, Theres planes constantly falling out the sky, having mechanical issues, having emergency landings, and anyone that keeps up with a Aviation at all has noticed that it’s been at least weekly, if not a couple of times a week, that we hear of something happening.
@@bakedpotatow but all incidences have been Boeing! An no they’ve not been commercial passenger planes falling out of the sky
@@erickborling1302
I made a joke and you took it 200% literally…
I have a distinct appreciation for the controllers as they scramble to safely shut down a runway. That is a massive job!
calling it a massive job is that the degeneration of the english language? Always using bigger and bigger words to tell something? Building a bridge over the river Thames in 1200 AD was a massive job. Building the tunnel from the United Kingdom to France under the sea was a massive job. This was just a good job handling traffic as it should be done in such a situation a few minutes.
@@computerjantje Shut up
it's not that deep lol@@computerjantje
Not to be nitpicky but it’s the airport not ATC that does that, I know because I’m ops and no one reads my NOTAMs…
@@computerjantje Wow, maybe log off and touch some grass?
Narrator: they did not, in fact, have a good weekend!
Ahah!
Yes.
In Morgan Freeman's voice...
😂😂😂
United is a woke airline with DEI, so the quality of people working on these planes is NOT TOP NOTCH !!! So I personally won't fly with them
Man VASAviation on fire these days. So quick with the updates! Top class work!
Thanks for the support. Really helps
Poor choice of words. 😂❤
@@fakename8856 poor or intentional? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
VASAviation is so fast that an incident could occur at 10 am Eastern and have it uploaded at 9:30 am Eastern.
I live in Houston and didn't know about this until now. Hope nobody got hurt.
Quite funny to hear two aircraft responding to go around instructions with AP disconnect sound in the background.
Yeah you don't have to guess at the manufacturers of those two planes.
Well noticed, heard the same and also thought it was quite funny
no pilot is flying in from 10miles out its always 5 miles out@@ImpactWench
Damn three United incidences in one week
This one, wheel falling off at SFO and what's the third one?
Engine failure on a 757 I believe
The united 737max rudder pedal issue@@DrPede
oh actually you are right that incident was more recent. My bad@@matthewperez2736
@@v1spotter United Errorlines
United having a rough week
Boeing too
Boeing is having a rough year. What in the absolute heck is happening !
@mita6010 the problem is boeing
@@mita6010what is going on is… Boeing has no quality control anymore is all about the stock market.
Time for some *damage control* ...!
VAS is on it! Man I sure hope I don’t ever mess up cuz bro gonna have me on the channel before I get back to the hanger!
😂
Really appreciate your speed in getting these out!!
Thank you VASAviation for your prompt and professional coverage!
This video was quick! Great job guys!
Man, United can't catch a break this week. 4 incidents in less than 24 hours :(
'Unfriendly skies' & ground! Get it together United!
What were the others? I heard of the tire
@@viewicy
•737-900's engine caught on fire
• one of 777's main landing gear wheels fell off on takeoff
• one of their 737MAX's rudder pedals got "stuck"
And this incident above.
@@poochies0316 Corportions love when ya'll blame "diversity", without any proof outside of ya'll hating liking people that aren't like yourself, instead of their greed and mismanagement. Takes the heat off of them. Have you considered not being a crappy person, not spreading hate and actually holding the greedy folk on to at fault?
@@hefoxedwe have exactly 0 idea what these were caused by. Could be mechanic not following SOP, maybe because they’re a DEI hire, maybe they’re undertrained, maybe they are illiterate and couldn’t follow directions, who knows. You don’t, I don’t, all of the other commenters don’t.
Dang this was fast. Not even able to blame it on Ice or snow. Off to the bathroom for the crew! Glad everyone was fine. Seat belts save lives.
I appreciate the captions as well as the audio, I am surprised how much I read as well as listen to the transmissions.....
Thank you very much for bringing this up!👍
Wow you're on it. This just happened like an hour ago!
Fascinating! Great work.
Way to go VASAviation !!!!
I saw the aftermath as we taxied to our gate. Crazy.
2:03, 2:12 Very interesting to hear A/P disengage sound in ATC
Was thinking the same thing - seems a strange SOP that the first thing you do in a G/A is to disconnect the AP! We encourage the engagement of the AP to fly a GA - generally lowers the workload significantly. But we weren’t there, so maybe something else going on we don’t know about! 🤷🏼♂️
As an airline pilot we always hand fly the go around to a safe altitude before re-engaging the auto pilot. I don’t personally know of any turbine aircraft that leaves the AP engaged when you select TO/GA
Disconnect A/P select TOGA for a smooth go around.
We leave it on flying the A319/320/321. No reason to turn it off it is was on at the go around.
@@phil_nichollson the 737 if you go around the autopilot automatically turns off. Unless you’re doing an autoland. Airbus I think will stay on
Nice and close to home. I live just north of the airport and my mom is a UA flight attendant.
"Have a good weekend"... o dude... it's NOT going to be a good weekend.
Indeed.
Victor does such a splendid job capturing these clips. Does he ever sleep?!!
Barely
You're fast, uploading the video before the next United incident 👀
Well, after this, in the afternoon, the A320 diverted to LAX, oh, and days later the 777 in Sydney
So, a "fast taxi" on the runway to get to the gate area quicker turned into a situation where the Nose Wheel Steering wasn't able to overcome the momentum of the aircraft's fast speed. They overran the turn point which would have enabled them to get off the runway while the turned nosewheel skidded straight ahead and it did not stay on the nosewheel track line to Taxiway SC.
How has SWA been able to do it all of these years? Special training? Boeing limits during taxi; 30 kts straight, 10 kts in the turns.
@@samsharp8539 The standard airline procedure for a 90 degree turn off a runway after landing is to come to a complete stop before making the turn to avoid exactly what happened in this incident. High-speed exits off of runways allow this step to be skipped, however.
@@jimw1615 We kept it rolling slowly ‘around the corner’ at the rwy exits at the end. Come to a complete stop on the rwy at MDW (and other high density airports) and see what happens. Do it with a 75’-300 at MDW and you will cause two Southwest go-arounds due to its overhang over the rwy.
@@samsharp8539ATC needs to open up their traffic intervals. I ignore ATC requests on the runway.
@@samsharp8539 Sam, what has come to light is the flight landed 24 minutes early and the pilots chose to use the runway and a faster taxi speed on it to get to the ramp quicker. Gate openings at the time must have been changed to get this flight off loaded due to its early arrival and that a squeeze resulted that required a quick arrival to its newly assigned gate. The run off of the runway exit is clearly attributed to high speed, in any case. The tire tracks on the runway clearly show the plane not achieving a tight enough turn radius to make the exit. Great exchange here. Thanks.
Very interested in why 1383 told tower to "stand by" after being directed to turn to 360? Very odd. They knew ATC was in the middle of dealing with an emergency and they create another issue?
They have to fly their aircraft first
I get it - I'm a pilot too. Still, I'm when the Tower is dealing with an emergency and I've just gone around, I'm going to follow the turn direction - not tell the Tower to "stand by". If there's an issue, advise "unable" and give the reason or follow the direction.@@VASAviation
Was still sitting out on the runway when I went to IAH on Saturday afternoon.
All that was missing is the "i have a number for you to call"
The pilots seemed so lost that I think it would have been helpful if they at least got checked.
Tower: ahhh United 1382 ....You can't park there.😂😂
That's exactly what I was thinking I would have said if I was in the tower 😂
2:03
Love this sound❤
more like 2:12
Oooh somebody is going get a paddling!
I subscribed. Good work. I saw the tire fall off live, yesterday while watching Caliplanes. I was screaming at the monitor. LOL.
WHEEL! Not tire!
Yes wheel, I stand corrected.@@erickborling1302
@@erickborling1302There was a tire on the wheel, Mr. Pedantic.
Details make all the difference. It wasn’t just the tire. @@nocalsteve
According to other sources that United 2477 requesting to land long or taxi long for exit runway at the end. Runway was wet as well. They asked for spacing.
Latam Airlines flight LA800 from Sydney to Auckland, that landed at 16.26 today (11 Mar) after an incident that caused quite a few injuries to pax. Might make a good video if the ATC audio is available.
United is having a good week
I was about to come and say this. 3 in a week is some pretty bad luck.
Time for some *damage control* ....!
I avoid United, Alaska and Southwest.
Yeah! No deaths or injuries.
Ever had a flat tire in line at Chick-Fil-A ? Its like that. . .
I thought the grass parking was reserved for Honda Jets?
Only if they have the lawnmower attachment :)
Great Job, what 3d modeling source you use for the aircraft graphic? love the ARFF truck!
@VASAviation This is an amazing build and great to see how you've implemented long stroke linear actuators. Was the decision not to add a third Yaw actuator purely down to logistics - being that it would be too tight a space to accomodate L & R rig movement? Or something else?
Ostrower is now reporting it was combination of being asked to speed up the taxi, and the excess rubber left on the runway making it hard to brake
Cause perhaps, excuse no! The crew is responsible for the safe operation of their aircraft. Try to please, sure, use "unable" when necessary, absolutely. The worst that can happen is one go-around. Now we have an entire train of planes going around, a closed runway, crash crews, and people standing on the runway. Physics don't give a hoot about schedules.
@@tommaxwell429they were at the end of the runway. There’s no, “we’re going too fast to turn, unable.” They don’t turn and they still go on a nice excursion. There’s, “I’ve done an elevated speed taxi a million times before, what’s another one,” not knowing the runway is abnormally slick.
@@qwerty112311 a very costly mistake regardless. Will always be easy for us to say in hindsight though.
There probably wasn't a lot of excess rubber at the end of 27. Planes mostly land on 27, not 09. If they were asked to keep the speed up till the end of 27, "unable". That is a 90 degree, not a high speed.
@@leroycharles9751 just poor control, happily not resulting in any injuries.
Need to lean in your seat to make those sharp turns !
YES... Y'all are on Fire lately!!!
Y’a boss? Do you have AAA? We need a lift.
Apparently the gear was designed to collapse when this happened but it wasn’t mentioned in the manual
Houston!
We have a problem, United 2477!
My guess, they were coming in too fast for the turn, skidded a bit, which would have been fine on its own, until the left MLG lock snapped and collapsed the gear, making things get interesting. But, curious what NTSB will find.
27/9 is 10,000 feet long. What the heck were they doing rolling out full length at that speed?
They probably didn’t deploy the thrust reversers to save fuel.
This is probably a pilot error or maybe a malfunction. But the fact of being a Boeing 737 Max 8 involved in this incident? The media is probably going nuts about it.
If some stupid 8 year old says “I don’t like 737 max” the media says “are 737 max safe”. Ridiculous how it has become such a target for them just because it got a bad reputation
There is a demonstration of taxiing too fast into a turn on 3 Minutes of Aviation last week ("Pilot Destroys Nose Gear"). It's important to remember that a couple of patches of rubber no more than a few square feet in area are trying to turn a huge aircraft weighing many tons.
Never enough time to follow established procedure before an incident unlimited time to clear up the mess after it happens, Same in so many Industries.
Why did you leave the part out where they asked to roll to the end, and ATC said to keep the speed up? That’s probably the most important part here.
Listened to the LiveATC audio and didn't hear it, so maybe wasn't picked up?
Come back to the video here, and VAS has given an explanation why that part of the transmissions wasn't included
If an owner tells me the A&P to do something wrong or at least unsafe and I do, and something happens who’s gonna be in trouble? Yea, not the owner.
If pilot was pressured to make an unsafe high speed taxi s/he would be required to say "unable."
@@erickborling1302except the pilot asked to go to the end. It was approved as long as he kept his speed up. So if he was unable, he would have been told to exit sooner. So no, he wasn’t pressured. He pressured himself.
Rwy 27 is 10,000 feet. To miss the high speed taxiway a pilot has to work hard to float, no reverse, no exit plan to be so fast at the far end not to be able to use it. Granted, details of the pilots experience, etc. shall come out in the report. Then, OMG, in an apparent case of nose wheel under steer the turning radius was inadequate and placed the left gear on the dirt! Observations: unless not aware of the dangers of landing long and or with too much energy, caused by an unstable approach, the departure end runway braking capacity is reduced due to rubber accumulation. 10,000 ft runway landing stable speed, touchdown not past 1,500 ft should be slowed enough to exit by 6,000 to 7,000 feet. Ret Captain.
As a retired captain I had the same thoughts.
I agree with you completely. Hiring practices today put DEI ahead of safety. Not saying this was the case, but it has been, and will continue to be. 30 year active captain.
@@stacyw8269I really hope you're an AI or being paid to troll, because if you're a real person posting absurd talking points for free before the identities of the people involved are even public then I see no hope for you. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
@@stacyw8269 30 year a bigot also looks like.
Several people have mentioned that they were asked to expedite their taxiing, even though that wasn’t on this recording. I suspect that was a factor as well.
Imagine this happened at kennedy. Any pilot asking the tower any questions about "whats the plan or where we going" the tower would get pissy with them and respond with attitude
You’re right but JFK is not only busy- but tight airspace because LGA and EWR are right next to them. Everything is a little more tense and terse in NYC
There is blame to share between pilot and tower. Tower obliged the request for long roll out but gave the aircraft an unsafe directive as tower knew traffic was on final behind. Pilot felt rushed to clear runway but should ALWAYS ignore the tower in deference to safety.
Kinda looks like the pilot took the exit at too high a speed. Unless there was a malfunction of the left main gear / or all flat tires that compromised turn performance.
Too soon to know what happened. Any guess for this mishap could be pilot's error while steering off the runway into the SC exit, or maybe due to a faulty tiller (plane's "steering wheel") control causing the plane to skid onto the grassy knoll.
Those threshold markings for RWY 09 might have been very slippery.
Holy shit bro. I live near that airport and a crash is wild!
Fly with us Spirit 😊
Capt "I have control"
FO "it's my landing I have control"
Capt "No it's my airplane I have control"
FO " we're in the grass. You have control"
You gotta love those United flights😂
United and Boeing just having a great week
A United a320 also had a hydraulic problems today
Wonder if they just missed the turn? Or did something break and cause them to miss the turn? Imagine NTSB will give some more info soon.
Apparently a United 737 MAX 8 rudder peddles jammed while landing into New York not too long ago, this could be something involving the rudders.. but who knows 🤷🏾
missed the turn by a country mile.
Looks like they possibly cut that corner too sharp. Pilot error probably.
@@LJ-gn2un Most likely, yeah.
United Airlines - Tokyo Drift
What was that song about 'United breaks guitars' or something lol they should do a remake
😀
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Someone get Joe Patroni!
How though? Looking at that photo, how on earth did they manage to miss the taxiway so much?
Can't wait for that explanation. Weather was certainly not a factor.
What happened and why? I dont get it :D was the runway slippery and they went with the left landing gear to the grass and there the left gear collapsed in soft grass/soil?
Incredible job by the controllers!
When the “piano keys” are wet, you HAVE to be slower than a man can walk before turning the aircraft especially on a 90 degree turn. ATC set him up for failure by asking him to keep his speed up. He tried to “help out” and it bit him. ATC becomes an additive condition and should not make these requests of pilots especially on the rollout. Ultimately, it’s the Captain’s fault but ATC needs to take responsibility as well. This isn’t the first time an aircraft has slid on the “piano keys” trying to meet ATC request.
Oooh bad readback at 2:10.. fly present heading read back as fly runway heading. He may have been lined up on final, but still.. that could have been a big miss.
A local TV sttion, KHOU11, has a clip on here which shows a couple of interesting points. First, at around 51 secs, shows muddy earth marks on the taxiway behind the aircraft. Behind it?) The second, at 1:01, shows the nose gear pointed for and aft, in other words not steering. Does that resemble what happened to the United flight into Nweark this week which reported rudder pedals not steering the plane?
So like the landing gear decided to go AFK at the last minute?
Did the gear collapse on the apron or was it forced to collapse when it got stuck in the ground?
MAX: Making Another Xcursion
X Curse ion
Cutting corners now quite literally
Any evidence this was caused by or contributed to by the aircraft itself?
This one seems like pilot error. The gear collapsed because the aircraft went into the grass and got stuck.
@FishingPlanetMobile64I think we will wait until the NTSB report not jump to either the defence of Boeing or the pilots! Don’t you agree?
When are we going to get a safety stand down of all airline flights? This is too much!
Absolutely
UA: looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
So pilot error on the runway turn off? turned to late on the exit and put one set of wheels on the grass and collapsed them
Damn United can’t catch a break right now
I won’t be flying United until they get their act together.
what's that cockpit alarm at 2:13? sounds aggressive for AP disconnect
737 AP disc
I see what happened now. When turning onto the taxiway there at the end of the runway there is an optical illusion where when at ground level on the runway it looks like you could taxi straight onto that parking pad. In reality there is a strip of grass between the runway and the parking pad. Is it possible that having to steer from the Captains side interfered with the Captain's line of sight and he didn't notice the patch of grass between him and the concrete? That's my bet. At O'Hare airport and SFO and others they paved over those traps.
Так интересно слышать звуки отключения автопилота, когда дают команду ухода на второй круг.
All of United's issues occurring BEFORE the loss of one hour -Daylight Saving Time beginning. Wait until next week, post time change. Ugh!
Whole new meaning to uniteds in the mud
I wonder if this is the same or similar problem with the steering that N47280 had at Newark Liberty on Feb 6 when their rudder pedals appeared to seize.
Did they land long? It’s 10000ft runway and they were still using the last exit on the runway.
737-9000. Needs 9000ft to take of or land...not kidding.
They tried a 90 degree turn at 30 knots. The plane just understeered into the grass.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 I flew those same airplanes several years ago and you have to be very cautious if there is ANY contamination at all. With the exception of the -700 they all ( NGs)l have alot of " less than stellar flight characteristics. Unfortunately it is usually the most Junior and least experienced pilots flying them. And..no flying an RJ does not even compare.
@@47colton NTSB says the pilot was hired by United in 1987.
According to NTSB, the pilot requested to land on a different runway than the one told by Houston Approach Control because the initial runway was coded to be wet and slippery. The pilot said the runway he requested appeared dry, though his First Officer recalled that runway to be wet.
...NTSB said the pilot did not disable the speed and auto brakes until about 5 seconds after the touchdown. The pilot claimed he did not "slow too much initially" because the runway appeared dry, he wanted to expedite their time on the runway and he preferred decelerating gradually for passenger comfort.
NTSB said manual braking didn't begin until 4,000 feet from the end of the runway. Once the captain was alerted that he only had 1,000 feet of runway left, he became concerned and began applying more pressure to the brakes, NTSB said. As he got to the end of the runway, the captain decided to turn onto the taxiway while still pushing aggressively on the brake pedals, data revealed.
While turning on the taxiway, the pilot felt the fuselage and brake pedals shake. While trying to get the shaking to stop, the plane slid off the runway, NTSB said. The left tires of the plane rolled into a manhole in a grassy area of the airport, causing the plane to come to a stop with its left wing tilted to the ground, NTSB reported. (KHOU 11)
@@vidpie date of hire can be misleading..How many years of 737 experience. Was this person a career wide body IRP or FO.? New Captain with little 737 experience.? Maybe just did something dumb like trying to turn on a 90° turn off at 40 kts.? The runway code code have been all 6's and it would have still been unwise. The 737 Captain seat is by far the most junior capt seat, in fact they are forcing newhires into it.
You have newhires flying the most demanding position at the airline. Expect plenty more of this im afraid.
Hard landing indicator works! LOL
Kinda reminds me of “Airport” how long did it take them to free the plane?
I wonder how they are going to explain this one?
Ok. The authorities really need to give some jail time to people. This sort of thing (along with the lost wheel thing) needs to stop, before somebody (or everybody) gets killed.
An extremely alert and cslm ATC i only presume tower was cery vlose to where it happrned hes definately got exceptiobal situation awareness manovering other planes while kerping an eye on stuck aircraft once it was sorted id given him rest of shift off he needed a rest brsbo to him best ATC controller ive seen yet
My dude were the people even off the plane yet when you got this up?!
Recently
Kirby in shambles this week.
Its a mad max!
Mechanical fault? Or did the pilot simply run off the runway/ramp while making the turn?
how long did it actually take to get them outta there?
Could they have thought that Sierra Charlie was the high speed?
Bad week for United
I wouldn't blame Boeing with this problem. It sure looks like pilot error to me.
Not sure if it’s legal or safe to upload that fast below 10,000ft