PILOTS REPRIMANDED + HEATED ARGUMENT at Phoenix International
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- And with that attitude you ended up receiving the number to call?
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I don’t understand the possible pilot deviation. I think that it will all get worked out without issue from the FAA. Dealing with the chief pilot is another story. Cooler heads on both sides make flying safer and more enjoyable.
you forgot the callsign. possible pilot deviation
The controller is definitely correct to insist on a correct readback with all the critical information and callsign included, but I'm not really sure it is a pilot deviation. They gave the correct readbacks eventually and flew the plane where they were meant to fly it. It wouldn't hurt to contact their chief pilot and recommend some remedial RT training, but I don't see anything they could report to the FAA.
@@thomasdalton1508I disagree. This crew needs training. There is a reason it is required to completely read back instructions.
"Are you ok?" 🤣
EPIC !!!!
I was rolling! That was incredible.
I figured it was a genuine question from Phoenix Tower. American Airlines Flight 1479 had just switched frequencies and his first transmission on the channel was very hostile in tone, which probably surprised the Tower.
@@SeamusDonohueEVEOnline yes, genuine, but it had very "wow, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?" vibes...
"You seem very hostile."
...
"And you seem nice and kind."
=> Hit & sunk! 🤣
The pilot being angry at Approach but taking it out on Tower is where I draw the line.
I'd be afraid to ride with that guy in traffic, much less let him fly me around in an airliner.
I believe they are in the same facility at PHX.
@@mafp22w They're in the same physical building but 2 separate facilities/ controllers. The tower controllers are separate from the approach controllers.
Exactly. That's what got me. No reason to get snippy with Tower, who had nothing to do with this.
I never laughed as hard at a VASA video as when the tower controller strait up replied: "Are you okay?" That's the most polite "Dude, srsly!?" imaginable and put him in his spot for sure.
Leaving out your callsign is one thing - I let that slide as a controller all the time…but not reading back a runway assignment for a VISUAL approach clearance into an airport with multiple runways is not cool.
That’s how people get killed. Plain and simple. Dude needs to swallow his pride instead of getting all heated and further compromising CRM!
Honest question: I completely hear what you're saying and agree with it. I'm thinking about the response after the pilot asked about a "communication problem." Clearly, the controller was annoyed because he had already told them about properly formed responses, and when they didn't respond with "runway 26" the controller repeated his message pretty calmly.
My question is: could the controller have been better about his response after the pilot's "communication problem" message? Again, I agree that imprecise communication is not an option, and the controller had already brought up the issue. The pilot was definitely being childish. It just seemed that the controller's tone was a bit on the escalatory side.
@@seanofpeace Yes, the controller absolutely could have handled it better with their tone in my opinion, but same for the pilot. I think they both escalated a little. Also, for the audio, it sounds like it may have been a different controller who made the long transmission calling them out on the missed calls - most likely a trainer monitoring an ATC trainee.
In short, the pilot was definitely in the wrong, but ATC could have used a little more tact and smoother tone to not further escalate the situation. Then again, the pilot kinda had it coming…lol
All the correct read backs are worthless if someone reads back the correct runway but lands on the wrong one. When I call into wxbrief now that it has been privatized, you actual get treated like a customer. They realize that they have to have callers in order to have a job. I used to always call in for flight following, but now with ADS-B traffic, I’m thinking twice about doing so. Very soon there may be a time when they get rid of ATC in favor of automation. Once you are in the air and enroute, a computer could tell you what speed to travel at so everyone is spaced out correctly. I don’t doubt that the future will be something like this. For busy airports you will make an arrival appointment and you will know when to depart. With printers in the cockpit, you can already get ATIS.
@@mafp22w I highly recommend calling ATC for flight following whenever practical for VFR advisories. Solely relying on ADS-B is a very bad idea. Sure, automation is getting better, but ATC is not going away anytime soon.
@@seanofpeace When you have an ATP rated pilot bust radio calls three times, and then get snippy when he is in the wrong, it's not surprising that the ATC was getting annoyed. The system has regulations for safety and it's the job of everyone on the system to follow the regs. The pilot needs a refresher on radio discipline and procedures.
“I think I know why you’re frustrated” 😂😂😂
gold right there
Poor Yankees … I’d be angry as well 😂
Lima Oscar Lima
Approach had every reason to scold him, but to give him a pilot deviation AFTER he asked if he wanted the number to discuss is chicken shit of the highest order.
@burncycle4621
The pilot deviation will only go on his record… its not like it will follow him the Rest of His Working career where anybody and everybody can see it… 😂😂😂
Definitely on the ATC's side here. Those weren't nitpick corrections there. It was runway assignment. Kinda important that the readback is correct and for the right aircraft
PHX is busy airspace. Hell, any major airport is. Don't F around with correct callbacks. Miscommunications can cost lives.
The controller is in the right however, he was being nitpicky compared to most controllers.
@@Frank.Melendrez Might have been a bit nitpicky for the direct replies to transmissions but still correct. Runway assignment was absolutely not that. Starting into it with Tower was misplaced hostility.
@@Frank.Melendrez Readback of specific information during specific phases of flight is a non-optional regulatory requirment even if there is no doubt that the voice is known and the actions on radar match, not a matter of being nitpicky. These mandatory items cannot be answered with "roger", nor can they be incomplete. Runway assignment number with callsign together in the same transmission is one of those communications.
@@Frank.Melendrez Those communications are sometimes the holes in the cheese... So better be nitpicky...
I only wish when he said "I'm not gonna waste my time" that approach had said, "what callsign is not going to waste their time?"
2:08 "I'm not gonna waste my time" he says WITHOUT his callsign 💀
He didn't waste any time, though. Very efficient 😂
The ATC should have replied with:"Who was calling me?".
calling aircraft say callsign
LOL @@rudiklein
He doesnt need to say his callsign for every transmisison. Thats not how that works.
“You seem nice and kind”
The tower needed that. I feel him. Like hell, the American had beef with approach, why take it out on the Tower. Poor fella.
Just as a friendly joke, Skywest should have spelled out her call sign. 😂
1 Like = 1 Prayer for tower's heart
especially because PHX Tower and PHX approach are two distinct facilities in different buildings, controllers may not even know each other
not even the same controller
@@Jmjbsif approach is acting like this I guarantee tower at least knows the reputation.
The worst part is that the pilot doesn’t seem to understand just how important readbacks are. He seems to treat them as an annoying nuisance getting in his way all the time. That is pretty concerning.
I wonder how he got that lazy. Readbacks are day one, literally your first training lesson you start doing readbacks.
@@BenRabidou depends on where you learn to fly but I agree that he has been flying long enough to know better.
I learnt out at an uncontrolled airfield so there were no readbacks.
Maybe controller should say how important readbacks are the first time instead of playing passive aggressive games like a bitter divorced 3rd grade teacher.
@@Chat562 you get taught how important read backs are before you get your private pilots licence. The pilot was politely reminded to use his call sign and continued to forget to. The controller was not at fault here.
@@Chat562 It's not the controller's job to teach the pilot things he should have learned even before he got his Private certificate. He _definitely_ should have learned the importance of correct readbacks while working on his Instrument rating.
“Talk about the tapes” not taste.
I was behind AA 1479. This is exactly how it happened. ATC was in a perfectly fine mood that night. Sometimes they can be the instigators, but they weren’t that night. Right away I noticed his “with you” call. That call is supposed to contain an altitude. The controller was absolutely right. PHX has three runways. We land on all of them concurrently. He absolutely needed to read back the runway assignment for his approach clearance. As he melted down I had trouble transmitting behind him I was laughing so hard. That poor FO, he knew ,but had to stay in his lane while captain meltdown did his thing.
At least that tower controller was funny because he sure gave me a good laugh😂
Well, I’m sure the whole episode left a bad taste in the controller’s mouth…
Thanks for coining the name "Captain Meltdown". I felt "Bozo the Clown" didn't quite hit the mark.
Correcting typos on vas videos is a never-ending war you will not win.
How come the controller didn't bounce him on that right away?
omg the "ARE YOU OKAY?" had me dying of laughter.
It was such a weird way of speaking out of context that it almost could be mistaken for some sort of code, like “something’s wrong but I can’t say what”!
he should have said "u ok hun?"
That's how you stay light in a professional environment. Wish more people are like this at work
@@ptsteinbach I was thinking a professional pilot using that kind of slow and very deliberate speak could also indicate somekind of minor medical issue. Like the pilot is not all there
There are a lot of big metal objects holding hundreds of people flying through the air at high speed. There's a reason why standardized and uniform language was invented for this. No room for a hot head at the controls. Kudos to ATC for putting him in his place.
I agree with you. Many rules are written in blood after other accidents.
No room for a controller playing games and being a dick instead of politely asking for a full readback the first time.
Hopefully, if we're lucky, the seemingly constant use of non-standard phraseology won't kill someone. I'm guessing things won't change until someone dies... :(
go south america and tell me how that works out
@@Chat562
Lazy Captain. If you're flying for a major US carrier, you should already know how to communicate properly with ATC. There are multiple runways there. Required readbacks are one way to trap errors. You could tell the F/O was embarrassed while speaking to the ground controller after landing.
How do you know which was CA and FO? Unless you know one of them personally and recognize a voice.
CA is PF on ground, F/O handles PM duties including radio comms.
@@brandonadams7837 The F/O handles the radios on the ground.
@@brandonadams7837FO was flying and CA doing radios. On the ground, CA taxis the airplane and the roles are switched.
@@user-TJ365 thanks. Is that per that airlines policy and mandatory? I know for some aircraft it's not even possible for an FO to taxi. But hypothetically, if the aircraft can be taxied from either side and the airline doesn't have a policy stating the CA must taxi, you wouldn't know, correct?
Not reading back the runway you were assigned is hardly acceptable at my local airport with one runway, but at an airport with 3 almost parallel runways it is beyond unacceptable
Even worse, 7L/25R and 7R/25L are almost next to each other, with only one taxiway between them. At least 8/26 is separated by Terminals 3 and 4 from the other two. It's especially important that they get 26 right if they're flying a plane that needs a runway longer than 7,800 (RWY 7R/25L) or 10,300 (RWY 7L/25R).
BTW, they are parallel runways. Before the current 7R/25L was built, 8/26 used to be RWY 7L/25R. (Why they didn't leave it that way and made the center one Center... I don't know. I wasn't asked for my opinion.)
@@jackielinde7568 2 rwy 25s are enough, better not have a third one to create greater possibility of making mistakes by either ATCs or pilots.
Two parallel but easily discernible runways at HWD. ATC is always nice, but they are by the book and rightly demand full and complete read backs without exception.
On a visual
And not reading back callsigns is one thing when it's a quiet airport with only one aircraft on frequency at a time (or at least only one that an instruction could refer to), but at a busy airport that's how accidents happen. The trouble with people like that though is that if he lined up on the wrong runway or followed an instruction meant for other plane, he'd be complaining "I was just doing what ATC told me" and if told "no they didn't", "the radio was bad, I misheard, why didn't they warn me I had misheard".
I feel sorry for that FO having to fly with that dude.
How do we know it was the captain? Either could be Pilot Monitoring.
From the sound of it, the FO is the guy talking to tower after they landed, which is common because the CA is taxiing the airplane.
This would make the grumpy guy the captain.
Source: airline pilot
@@jackielinde7568 Exactly what jetpilott2420 said. I could tell because the FO (typically) only uses the radios on the group because the Captain is taxiing. Source: Another airline pilot 😁
Insane. I would hate to be the FO in this situation. Any airline pilots in here I would like to know, do you have the authority on the flight deck to take control of the raidos in this situation?? Or do you not want the captain flying with how Frustrated he sounds?
@@jakecostello8400sometimes we do. I make a gesture to my CP that I take the radios when he's in a grumpy case like this. Try to calm him down even tho I'm still the one flying. But dont worry. These cases happen rarely
How does a major airline pilot not know the basics of radio communication? It’s a brave new world out there.
Oh he knew - just couldn't be bothered. Complacency and sloppiness are markers on the path to disasters
@@TommyRainesThat is what surprised me to that it was a major airline. Usually they have are very efficient and professional on the radio.
Just too cool for school. And you know if something like this had come up in a discussion beforehand, he'd have said something like "I bet you're a lot of fun at parties."
DEI hire.
@@Diesel0821 Right, gotta make up that quota of old white Anglosaxon men. So sad when your one talking point doesn't fit.
Honestly surprised the other pilot in the cockpit didn't sort the first one out. You can hear the difference in who was talking... one was clearly in a bad mood.
On final wasn't the place for it. I think pilot flying cut in once, but it would have been awkward to take over comms at that point. Probably thought they'd talk about it on the ground.
To paraphrase Stargate, sometimes the very young do not take instruction. The call to tower is the best thing that could have happened here. I had a similar situation years ago when I took over the flight controls from a young man who circled the wrong way so he lost sight of the runway. He insisted I had lined up on the wrong runway and after I told him twice I hadn't he asked the tower. He did turn rather red when the tower confirmed the female captain was correct. Tower and I had a nice chat with him listening in.
That really doesn't help the other pilot speak up in future. If someone else is insistent and you are it's best confirm with tower. It won't take long before you're adamant and wrong. The other pilot did exactly the right thing here and has nothing to do with gender/rank/age. Being open to being mistaken is important. What you've described here is bad CRM.
Angry Boy was the captain, Calm Dude was FO, so it's unlikely he would "sort out" the left seater.
@@loudidier3891this was not a young guy though. He was the captain. FO was the calm one.
I hope the pilot that stepped in for a few times while the idiot cooled down doesn't get in trouble. The other guy is just an ass.
Yeah, no, he should be fine. This is one of the few times the pilot monitoring (pilot working the radios) is the one who gets in trouble and not the pilot flying. We are a crew, but the other pilot is not held accountable for the rudeness of his colleague.
@@firesondiego7666 Well, he was rude, but it was the phraseology errors that PHX_APP was objecting to mostly.
@@chrisschack9716 I agree--but he wasn't given the deviation because of the phraseology errors. Every pilot makes a mistake or two with radio calls. He got the deviation because he was talking back to ATC during a critical phase of flight and clogging up the radios.
@@firesondiego7666 ATC clogged up the radios by playing passive aggressive games instead of just asking for the full callsign the first time.
@@Chat562 "American 1479, verify that's you" "American 1479, if you could fill the callsign again", what do you call this, static noise? 🤔
Wouldn't have liked being in that cockpit with a colleague with such attitude...
If by attitude you meant roll pitch and yaw, then this guy was oriented straight to an american airlines reprimand.
Hope he gets an altitude of zero AGL for a while.
Oof, this is making me crawl out of my skin as a pilot. Sorry to all the controllers on behalf of this guy! and i'm about to fly into this airport... the other pilot sitting next to this guy needs a hug.
Well, as someone who lives under one of the approaches, Weather's starting to look a little dodgy. Cali's getting hammered with rain, and it's been spilling into AZ. Hope all's well, and if you're coming in from the north for 8/7L/7R, I'll be waving from my ***** ***** underneath. :)
100% ATC is correct here. Very sloppy radio calls by 1-4-7-9. Busy airspace, multiple runways in use. GOTTA use sterile cockpit and proper phraseology at all times.
That's 1. 4. 7. 9. to you sir lol.
And someone should teach this guy the correct ICAO pronunciations. It's NINER, not NINE. ;)
@@QuotenwagnerianerI never say niner. Not really sure how nine could get confused.
@KaisTheFireWarrior It's bcuz it can be confused with five since radio transmissions aren't always clean and clear.
@@KaisTheFireWarrior It's to avoid confusion with the German "nien." We also use modified pronunciations for 3 ("tree") and 5 ("fife") and 4 ("fower"), at least in theory. Almost no one says "fower" ever, "tree" and "fife" are pretty rare too, it's only "niner" that gets much currency. One thing I've found over the years is that from east Asian pilots "two" and "three " can be kind of difficult to distinguish as well.
Edit: "Nein."
"you seem nice and kind!" nearly choked on my water at that, tower seems like such a chill guy
Seemed to me like a young fluffy white snowflake based on the sound of his voice.
"Are you OK? You seem very hostile." 😂 I love tower.
Wow. Poor tower taking heat. Hope everyone feels better this time of day/night
That tower controller sounds like a really nice guy tho, what a contrast
Tower is great at PHX. I’ve flown in several times there…in a Cessna 182. Probably easier there than Deer Valley.
2 controllers in that transmission. 2 controllers. you guys deaf?
@@hankchinaski_ Uhm, read that again. I clearly said "tower" controller. Not approach. I know that they're two different people.
@@hankchinaski_are you illiterate?
@@hankchinaski_ No need to be rude, fella. You've had lessons from the "American ONE...FOUR...SEVEN...NINE" captain, haven't you.
Correct readbacks are essential for flight safety. Phoenix approach absolutely right, and shame on AA1479 crew for unprofessional behavior.
Completely agree
I suspect half of that crew was pretty embarrassed about the orher half of that crew.
Pretty funny how AA pilots act like they’re God’s gift, but can’t manage even basic radio discipline. Hope they stick to their handful of shitty midwestern cities and their 5 weekly visits to DFW, cuz that shit won’t hack it anywhere else on planet Earth……
Came here to reply w the same: it sounded like one pilot was being an ass, the other not. Hopefully the problem child gets the attitude adjustment he needs.
@@markor2476
I’ve had to get vectored by that approach controller before, they don’t listen to your call signs. Any single time I have to deal with that asshole controller I have to slow down on the call sign because he doesn’t fucking listen. Even then he will still get mad at me for “not using my call sign” when I literally did. Clearly nothing has changed.
Thanks for including the aircraft with the runway change on departure in this video as well. It helps paint the picture that with people changing runway assignments right and left, both runway and callsign readback on every transmission are critically important. With 3 bidirectional active runways and the 8th busiest airport in the US, you can't be too careful.
As soon as I saw the initial call was "with you", I knew it was headed downhill 😂
😂 Funny cuz it’s true!
Haha. True.
"American 1479, Phoenix Approach, I am also here."
😂 100 percent
I'm sorry, could you explain that? What's the problem with "with you"?
3:20 that was just Approach LASER ENGRAVING the phone number on the side of American 1479.
LMAO
It's amazing a commercial pilot would fail to use proper radio terminology, especially failing on proper readbacks. Sounds like his chief pilot needs to sit him down and have a serious talk with him.
Not a commercial pilot, an AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT...
2:08 "Last aircraft calling please state your callsign when getting sassy"
"You know damn well who I am at this point!" ;)
After all that, they turned left on bravo instead of Charlie. You have to let it go and concentrate on the job until it is parked and then deal with frustration.
Yeah, and that was another screw-up from the Captain.
I’m extremely concerned at anyone flying an airplane, let alone one full of passengers, with an attitude like that.
I love that he read back the taxiing instructions incorrectly at 3:41 (B6 not B) and then needed new instructions
That was the other guy though.
We've all messed up readbacks, we've all done boneheaded things, and we've all, on occasion, gotten called out by ATC. You don't get your back up. If you made a mistake, you own up to it and figure out how to prevent it in the future. If you honestly feel you were in the right, and feel it's _really_ that important to pursue, you talk it over once you're on the ground, preferably by telephone. Then, maybe, you file a Form 277 and move on with your life.
A stubborn and excessive ego has no place in aviation.
The "Are You Okay" really made me chuckle
I lost it when he carried over his attitude from approach to tower.
Anyone else notice they didn’t follow the taxi clearance on the ground either…. They were cleared onto C and they turned into B instead. That crew distracted themselves by not being correct on the radio then getting emotional about it when corrected.
Half the crew was distracted by self inflicted nonsense and the other half was distracted by the guy having a meltdown next to him.
@@jonesjones7057 wasn't it the same guy in the wrong in both cases? the upset pilot would also be the one doing the taxiing, since he's not on the radio while the plane is taxiing? Although I could certainly expect the guy on the radio is a bit distracted by trying to not make his co-worker blow up at him next....
Man that is embarrassing.
I burst out laughing a bit at the (Hey it's pronounced NINER) subtext. Shade thrown.
I do agree with ATC. While ATC was correct, I noticed the controller copping a bit of an attitude as well and two wrongs don’t make a right. I think he should have remained calm and professional throughout, because clearly the American flight was in the wrong. It was not a nitpicky situation, but everybody needs to stay calm and professional.
This was the comment I was looking for
Agree. Regardless of who was at fault in the communications, it's not a good thing if it results in a plane with hundreds of people flying through the air at hundreds of miles per hour with an emotionally rattled pilot at the controls. Every effort should be made to keep everyone as calm and collected as possible while the plane is in the air.
ATC is part of the FAA which is the agency that regulates aviation and air space. If the regulator employee failed to follow or enforce his agency's regulations it is his butt. He reminded the pilot and the pilot still failed to follow procedures then got an attitude. If I were A/A I would suspend him and retrain him in terminology. I would have him write down every A/A flight number scheduled for the day.
With that attitude, it would be best to keep him at 0 AGL for a while.
@@icefly_ What would reducing his agility to zero achieve?
If I was flying, and I knew my pilot (copilot) was the "American 1-4-7-9" guy, I would be very concerned. There's no way he can operate an aircraft safely with so much of his brain consumed with that kind of hostility. Especially given that he is in the wrong.
Bu the end of this exchange that was the clearest ATC read back of any American pilot I've heard on this channel. Chapeau!😂
This is 100% on the pilot's side. There are reasons why readback is so important. People have landed on wrong runways, for example. Just follow protocol. It should be automatic to put your call sign at the end of every communication to ATC, and you should ALWAYS state your intentions clearly. If you plan on landing 26 visual you need to say that. The tower doesn't know what you are doing or planning on doing - they don't have mind readers yet - so you need to let them know your intentions so they can plan accordingly.
"are you okay?" :D fucking lol I bet the controllers were dyin laughing
No, they were not. Unlike this yoke-equipped bombguy, they have dozens of aircraft each hour through their line, and these two vere really professional.
What was the function of that comment? To escalate and make a pilot annoyed. Correct him, yes, and take it "offline" if needed, but during approach to drop a petulant comment like that was uncalled for, and risky!
"I forget i'm married all the time!" 💀💀
I forget I’m married all the time 😂😂
Baby in the cockpit
I used to work at an airport with parallel runways and we were always do simultaneous approach procedures. I had to force runway read back every day.
I'm with tower on this. It's very important to read back instructions in full, and especially to identify yourself, in order to prevent accidents. One of the ZAA pilots was just fine; the other one needed a major attitude adjustment. At the very leasr, he oughta get written up for this. Just because youre having s bad dsy doesn't mean you get to take it out on ATC. Somebody should've told him. Settle down, Captain Happy!
that wasn't tower at first, it was TRACON.
I thought radio etiquette was drilled in pretty early at plane driving school
A professional crew falls in with ATC, no questions asked. They rule the day! After a long career (now retired) I take pride in NEVER having received "a number to call", post-landing.
We're in the wrong sometimes. I would rather get corrected on freq by a pilot who knows his stuff rather than get corrected later by QA/QC because I had a separation error.
Of course, this isn't one of those scenarios.
Somebody was all up in his feels after being corrected by ATC! My goodness, the sarcasm and further incorrect readbacks of his call sign by that one pilot were unnecessary! I'm not a pilot, but listening to the other pilots engaging with ATC after the AA pilot made it very evident that the one pilot in the cockpit was having a Very Bad Day(TM).
Not SFO - Surprised
I'd like to think PHX Sky Harbor has a better standard of ATC than KSFO. Especially since one of the arrival routes is directly overhead.
The you seem nice and kid comment had me laughing!
You know his chief pilot, fleet captain, director of standards, director of training and VP of ops have all exchanged emails at this point. And I'm sure professional standards at the union was emailed a link to the video from the FO.
American comms can get way too casual sometimes, ATC is right about reading back instructions correctly.
Ironic part is that the pilot was British.
On ATC side. Feels good to say that. That pilot needs to chill and be a professional.
People like you shouldn't be ATC. You're not above the pilots and shouldn't feel good about being a dick. If he didn't give the full callsign, say that instead of playing repeat games.
I feel bad for that other pilot on board 1479. I’ve been in flight decks like that and it sure makes for a long rotation!
Guy sounds like an absolute joy to fly with.. FO sounds clearly tired of his crap.
in need of some chill pills
Really feel for the other pilot having to put up with him in that flight deck. That would be a very tough day out!
As an aus trained pilot working in an international airline for 6 years
Have been hating these radio calls without call signs and runways for years to North America
Really love this controller tbh for holding international standards coz I will confirm if either the call sign or the runway cleared is missing myself
Been reminded by ATC when I forgot the callsign or a runway assignment. I have no issue and follow up with an apology so they know it wasn’t my intention to omit important details. This guy couldn’t swallow his pride and had to let everyone else know his frustration. It’s already been said here but being frustrated while flying metal tubes hundreds of miles per hour is not a great idea. Hopefully this dude realizes his mistake after he landed and fixes his sh!t.
Ground coming in the end with the heater
Its a bit cumbersome, but we need fewer mistakes within the terminal area and proper comms < for a change > is essential.
it's really not that cumbersome. Pilots need to include their callsigns when reading back pretty much anything (save for an altimeter setting if it's the only thing being issued after checking in with approach). Not including rwy assignments is a terrific way to kick off the accident chain...there's little argument against it.
Interesting. I was just talking about this to a buddy a couple days ago. So many people not saying their call signs for some reason latey. Never had that before. Almost chronic issue around phoenix but only lately, maybe a month or so.
Dodgy Vaccines have fried their brains
As a pilot I'm on ATC's side here
One thing is messing up the readback once. But this pilot, when reminded, seems oblivious as to what the purpose of the readback is. It's as if he doesn't know that which runway he lands on actually matter. This when cleared for a visual at an airport with three parallel runways.
Not only does this speak to a greater underlying issue.
But the fact that this rocked his boat so much that they ended up messing up their taxiing is further indication that his temperament not only has a hairy trigger, but that his performance rapidly degrades when riled up.
Always something interesting at Sky Harbor.
Wow! This is such a ridiculous mistake! This is such a basic, fundamental, not even something a pilot should be thinking about event and he keeps screwing it up. Call signs and instructions generally just roll off the tongue of whichever crew member is running the radio at the time. There's not much thought involved in the process except for the instances where sometimes these guys might fumble a callsign because it might have changed on that particular leg of a circuit. In that case, it might just be a skip in the beat of a readback as they think about the flight number but this Gomer takes the cake when it comes to hosing it on the standard protocols.
Ironically, the deliberate slow readback from1-4-7-9 was about the speed that I would actually need all messages to be spoken at .... 🤓
And it's wrong, isn't it? I thought you're supposed to read you callsign in tens rather than units?
The controller saying “are you ok? “ is gold 😂😂😂
I think these are the clearest transmissions I’ve ever heard (audio wise)
We as pilots know that we NEED to use correct verbiage on the radio when flying within the NAS on an IFR flight plan. This pilot failed miserably and became hostile as a result. This is scary, because, remember, he has passengers onboard, and his actions are completely unprofessional. Another reason why I stopped flying here in the US. The wrong folks in the wrong positions which can cause great trajedy due to EGO and PRIDE.
Foi por causa de ego elevado e outros fatores que dois pilotos americanos mataram 154 vidas com a queda do avião da Gol no Brasil em 2006. E ficaram impunes até hoje. Você está corretíssimo em não querer voar mais.
Hope the boys and girls at Fort Worth hear this. That kind of attitude is not only rude, it’s extremely dangerous. Wouldn’t want to fly AA with guys like that up front
...which is evidenced by how they messed up the taxiing. Probably still fuming.
The hostility from the one pilot was uncalled for. The other pilot was doing the readbacks correctly. How does someone become an airline pilot and not know how to properly readback a clearance?
If anything happened it would've been Approach in hot water for not getting proper confirmation. Why should he put his career and livlihood at risk?
Everyone saying the controller was nitpicky you all need a serious refresher on the AIM. Specifically chapter 4, section 4, subsection 7 (b).
Ok, nerd 🤓
'ATC : ' ARE YOU OK ? '' HAHAHA
For those not familiar with Phoenix (KPHX) Sky Harbor, ATC actually did AA1479 a favor by giving him Runway 26 in the beginning, which is on the North side of the terminals and where all the American Airlines flights park. He could have taken 25R or L and would have been an extra 20+ minutes taxiing to the Northside. He definitely needed to say runway number, especially after switching it on approach.
Also, laser strikes have been a huge problem in the Phoenix area lately as well, but it's not hitting the media.
The pilot is being a child. ATC made it clear what was needed. It is NO SECRET that pilots need to readback ALL RUNWAY ASSIGNMENTS. It's also not hard to see WHY that information is needed and how, in the case of an accident, a controller would get reamed for not having confirmed. Resorting to reading back INDVIDUAL numbers is absolute crap. That implies that he WAS reading back the callsign the whole time, but ATC missing it. That's not the case...they were either missing the callsign AND/OR the rwy assignment on multiple transmissions, NOT that ATC couldn't hear bits and pieces of it. The pilot needs to listen to the tape and realize their mistakes. And to be clear, they ARE mistakes.
That's a very distinct accent. Almost sounded Aussie at some points, American at others. It wouldn't surprise me if lots of ATC watching this vid are thinking 'Oh, him. Not the first time.'
That's what I was thinking. They way he says nine as "nyne" is very Aussie. I always fake a southern drawl on the radio in case I ever say anything stupid, people won't know it is me.
As a Brit, I can say he is definitely British. He’s using European phraseology by pronouncing each digit, which is of course wrong in this situation.
@@jonathanparle8429 Yes. The "nine" isn't Strine, British for mine.
He left his manners at home.
Good chance he's from Hong Kong, the accent and pronunciation is consistent.
As an Australian, I say we do not want him, nor do we recognise the accent.
I hope the chief pilot reviews this totally unprofessional behavior from the pilot.
There was a pretty wild situation today at KMCC Nice Younger Instructor , two near mid air collisions on the runway and a corporate jet that took off while another plane was still on the runway and CFI called him out
you know... if this happened anywhere near JFK, the controllers would be yelling at the pilots. :)
Or SFO
And the laser would have been for the surface to air missile targeting system.
oh man JFK. they would roast you… those guys are always having a bad day.😢
It's pronounced NINER 😂😂
Only if the 9 is by its self. Numbers for CIVILIAN non-N number callsigns are grouped. Fourteen seventy nine is correct.
One four seven niner would be correct only if it is apart of an N number OR if it was a military aircraft.
@xxhockeymaster03xx really? Whats the FAR on that, I'm a student pilot, and thought it was niner at all times
@@evajordan450 its not a FAR.
Read 2-4-20 of the FAA JO 7110.65AA
As well read 4-2-4 of the AIM.
@xxhockeymaster03xx there is literally no mention of saying 9 by its self in the sections you quoted. Why make it up? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@anteater555 i was talking about callsign usage that requires group format. Group format you say NINE not NINER.
For instance: “Southwest twenty five sixty nine”
But for N numbers and military callsigns, you would say niner.
For instance: “November One Two Niner Tango Whiskey” or “Shooter One Niner”.
Ask any FAA controller and they will agree that what I have said above is correct.
How do you make it to the airlines without proper radio skills? Oh, it’s AA.
Mama said there'd be days like this :-) I listen to DCA ATC and acknowledgements without callsign happens all the time.
Controversial opinion: ATC had an option to de-escalate by instead of repeating the previous call, when american 1479 failed to readback the runway. Could have requested the runway with something along the lines of: 'American 1479 please readback runway?' While not required by regulation to be gentle to that captains ego, ATC is part of the crew and it may have made the situation less about admonishing a bad communication practice and more about clarifying which runway.
I noticed exasperation from the pilot who was probably stressed out for one reason or another, Tower's 'are you okay?' was a good way to humanize and allow the pilot to recognize he was heard even if ATC didn't agree with the pilot's manner of communication.
Agree. These types of angry incidents only happen when both are not willing to de-escalate
As a pilot I would like to apologize to all controllers on behalf of the pilot community for the unprofessionalism of this certain pilot
Dumb thing to say, but ok…….
I was really into the B plot with United 278. Great conclusions with the controller remembering the runway 10/10.
Not providing full read backs is precisely what has led up to many runway incursions.
Totally with ATC on this. Pilot was corrected, still deviated from proper procedure. It is possible to have a relaxed working condition as was evident with other communications but the basics MUST be followed for safety reasons. Deviating pilot needs assessment for his reactions.
Would ATC make a call to American and let them know about this guy? Dude needs a therapist.
I’m sure FAA reports all pilot deviations to the aircraft owners.
The controller would have been withinhis rights to do so anyways, but I *really* wonder if he would have deviated the guy without the attitude. With it being passed on by tower after he was off-frequency with approach, it almost seems like an afterthought. In fact, I almost wonder if the attitude towards the tower wasn't what did it. I can imagine the conversation:
Tower: "Man, what did you do to piss this guy off? He's giving me all kinds of attitude."
Approach: "He's giving *you* attitude?! Oh, that's *it*. Give him this number for me..."
Omg that last line!
Oh god captain happy over here 🙄must be a joy of a trip