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The HP on the later blocks were for police special cars and trucks for the military and I got that information from a gentleman I knew worked for Chrysler back in the 60s70sand early 80s and built these cars.everything he had told me has been found to be truth.....I am so glad that Man came into my life and trusted me enough to share his knowledge......he was the guy to see here in central Massachusetts on Mopar....he came out here in the late 80s to be closer to his family and grandkids from Detroit/ Michigan
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT !!!! THE BIG DODGE MONACO HAD THE 440 HP INTERCEPTOR , THEY WERE BUILT FOR THE MILITARY AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS, IN 1972 CHRYSLER CHANGED FROM STEEL CRANKS TO FORGED CAST CRANKS THE HP WAS DESIGNATED TO SEPARATE A 2 - BARREL STANDARD 383 VS. THE 383 MAGNUM , COMMANDO WHICH ARE 4 - BARREL HP ENGINES , HEADS ( VALVE SIZES ) CAM , EXHAUST MANIFOLDS ARE DIFFERENT , 440 MAGNUM , COMMANDO , 6 - PACK HP = HIGH PERFORMANCE , ANYTHING FROM 1971 AND BACK ALL HAVE STEEL CRANKS !!!!
Yep, that’s a high performance service vehicle engine. I’m guessing a police car A38 package. My 77 440 was similar. Mine was stamped E HP.
Thanks for the info!
All of our State Police cars here in Connecticut had HP stamped blocks.
Thank you
Nick I,m in my 60's have used Fram filters 40 plus years never had a problem.
It’s stamped HP because they made cop cars with “high performance”440 engines until roughly 78. Those engines basically had all the hp stuff( double valve springs, windage tray, magnum cam etc) except the higher compression and forged crank. I have a 1977 440 hp motor, it came from a cop car.
This one has a truck/RV style water pump housing. Although on an engine with this hodge podge of parts it doesn't mean anything. But at least the water pump housing is out of a trunk/RV.
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My hunch is well - the Monaco and Fury in police form came with the 255 hp 440 which was unheard of in 1977 - 1978.
@salninethousand2496 Had a few Grand Fury's that were ex government vehicles with the HP 440 76 and 77 models.
@@1967davethewave yep. I used a 1975 440 out of a motorhome to build for my 86 Ramcharger 4x4. It had the P-side water pump, which fit perfectly with the stock 360 radiator lower hose. Only had to cut 1" off the hose to fit. But my 452 heads were motorhome heads with the taper seat plugs and additional cooling holes.
The look on Nick’s face when he realized there was no head gasket had me in stitches. Good stuff! Absolutely love this channel! I learn and get entertained at the same time. 👍
Priceless. 😂
I remember H.P stamps in the middle to late 70's and earlier going into police interceptor cars.
Besides the ATF in the cylinders, and the rockers being backed off the valves I've seen people do that putting an engine up in storage before. The rest is a mystery.
Atleast it found you to save it😊 thanks again guys.
At 14:42, pause this video. There it is, Nick at his best; educating us about the Mopar Big Blocks. Look past Nick in the background, there are his 2 baby's, Totally restored U code Challenger 440, and his Hellcat Challenger. One word describes this man and what He has accomplished. *Legendary*
Fully agree with that statement...
Love my cars. Thanks for watching.
Looks like that motor had been sitting outside uncovered for a while 😢
I sold Fram filters for years, had a oil change, chain of stores that used them for years and bought thousands of Fram oil and air filters, I don't know of one claim or come back that they ever had because of the failure of the Fram filter. They made filters for cars, light trucks, HD trucks and commercial equipment. They are still in business all these years so it can't be a bad product
MOPAR for life 👍🏻💯⛽️🇦🇺. Great pull down Nick . Get her done .
I have a 76 440 with HP markings which came from a Plymouth Gran Fury cop car. Has the valve springs with dampers, double roller timing chain, windage tray and baffled oil pan. Also had the 440 Magnum / Super Commando cam. These I believe were net rated at 255 HP. Quite a bit more than the standard set up in a civilian car. These cars could hit around 130 in the mid sized cars. Not much else American made at the time could touch it. Maybe not a muscle car, far from being a total slug. Enjoyed the video!
I've seen two things I've never seen , an engine without headgaskets, and cutting a milk crate to support the drain pan is brilliant.
Thank you!
In the 80's we were buying up every derilect nopar powered motorhome /RV we could find. They had 440's and all the left over good stuff from the 70's stuffed inside
It was rumored all the leftover 6 pack rods and forged cranks went into motorhome/ heavy duty 440's. We found more then a few that was true from 73-77 Same way we got a hold of good and seasoned 4 bolt main 350's was in the worn out chevy short school buses. On Long Island the busing outfits had a pile of these in the weeds from swap outs. the good old days
I could watch these tear downs all day long. Thank you!
Tme and time again my eyes are drawn towards that beautifull red car on the lift.
Thank you for showing things like this some of us would never get to see it
Thanks for watching.
My late dad had dual heaters on his Hemi Roadrunner. Story told is the previous owner had them installed via the dealer after one winter in his unheated and non insulated garage in South Dakota. While it was not factory, he still had the dealer work order for them when folks would comment about them when he took it out to car shows and what not. I'm in the process of restoring it, and I'm going to put it back the way I found it as best I can.
I’m a dinosaur, still run big block Chevys with 427 cranks in them when the trend is to make them big. Don’t get me wrong I’ve built my share of strokers but there’s something primal and raw about a big block with a sub 4” stroke and big cylinder heads. They respond, they just do everything right. That being said I’m a huge 383 fan. How can you not love a big block with a short crank? Add a set of modern Aluminum heads, lightest piston you can get and still be rugged, Aluminium rods and flywheel, you’d have the ultimate motor for a Dart or a Duster.
Love to see detective Nick tearing down a 440 and analyzing what he finds.
Thanks! We love to see you here again.
Back in the day, (60's and 70's) I always used Fram oil filters. It's been years since I've changed my own oil, so I can't speak to their current quality. I know a lot of well known brands are NOT what they used to be.
I am SO tired of people going on and on and on about Fram filters. It is like some sort of contagion. I don't know how many Ferraris I have seen at car shows with Fram filters on them, but no matter. I KNEW Nick would find no problem with that filter. And if there was a problem with these, you can bet Nick would know, considering he has about 1000x my experience on engines.
I have used nothing but Fram filters in all my cars since I was a kid. That, and Castro GTX motor oil. Let's talk about my results.
1968 Charger, 383. Owned since 1978. Put over 70k miles on it, and it had about that when I bought it. No issues. And when I was a kid, I drove that car relentlessly.
1971 Super Bee, 440 (late model like this one). 60,000 miles I have put on it.
1988 Mustang GT, 201,000 miles on it, never even taken the heads off! It was my commuter car into LA for 15 years.
1970 Corvette, 1969 AMC AMX, and some others. Not one has had any kind of engine problem, and all of them pull well to this day. I am talking about 100s of thousands of miles on these cars. My dad had similar results with his Grand Marquis that he would drive and commute in. When he sold the car, the interior was all coming apart, it had faded paint and it needed a new top, but the engine ran like a top.
There is no how, no way, that if Fram filters were that bad, that I would not have experienced some issue. I don't work for Fram, I don't have any financial interest in the company. But misinformation like this just has to be countered. It's the same lame blather when anyone talks about oils, or additives, or this or that. I remember being young, and I would go into auto stores, and some guy behind the counter would question why I was buying a multigrade. The next store I went into some other guy would question why I might be buying a straight grade oil. I laughed then, and I laughed now.
One more thing. Try calling Fram customer service some time. I did a few years ago, talked with an actual engineer for a good 20 minutes! I went through all the stuff you hear online. They come apart. The end caps are bad. Blah blah blah. Ask those questions to one of their engineers. Now, I don't expect an employee of the company to talk bad about their product, but getting some straight talk about it on a technical level is fascinating.
If find it funny that people will challenge other folks in a forum, but you never see them trying to challenge an engineer with their "evidence".
Nick, I've been using Fram filters all my life. I got involved in racing back in '77, working on a stock car, '69 Road Runner, 383 with 440-6 pack heads, averaged 3 wins a year.
IN '87 got into a different division running a Chrysler Kit Car with a 340, and in all my years I have never had a problem with the Fram filters.
I did also ..but now a days they've cheapen them like everything else ..you tube oil filter test and you'll what what's up ..
@tomboone201 I fully agree, too many videos of them cut open and compared to Wix, they're junk
Thank You Nick Every Time I Watch I Learn Something
I’ve got 3 440’s in my garage. One is an all original 69 that’s never been rebuilt. Doesn’t smoke and ran awesome. It’ll get a refresh and some upgrades soon. Great episode as always Nick. Thanks for the quality infotainment!
LOVE that! I have a 69 383hp that once had the valve covers off and the fuel pump rebuilt and that's it. My cousin bought it in a 69 Road Runner he ordered, My brother bought it from in '75 and I bought it from him in '04. Thinking about copying Nick's idea and put it on a stand just to run and listen to.
Lots of engines in the 40s and 50s made it 100k miles with no oil filter at all. The fram is a cheap made filter. Back in the 90s Cummins sent out a bulletin that they would not warrant an engine with a fram filter. Apparently there had been a cold snap and a bunch of engines got wiped out because the filters came apart and parts of the cardboard end caps were getting lodged in oil galleys and piston cooling jets. Customers were told they had to go after fram to pay for engine repairs as tests had shown the filters did not meet Cummins bypass requirements on the filters.
Something tells me this was going to be a project engine and got shelved. When they shelved it, they just threw it back together so everything was in one place. Then it got stored somewhere outside or somewhere that leaked on top of the engine. Still a great base to build a nice muscle engine.
Had the good fortune of working in a salvage yards since 76. Sold evey one of my mopar friends and myself more than 20 of ex san Jose california police car motors. They all were stamped Hp even though all 74 up engines as this one has are cast crank motors. (Notice the huge harmonic balancer)
Pushed my 67 fastback with fenderwell headers and alum intake to low 13's and high 12's with stock cam. They came with dual roller timing chains but we advance the cam 3 % never remember any of them being bad when we started them. We had to weld the weights on the torq converter of the older 727's ( took us a week to figure out why it had a strange Vibrationan lol) we just pulled the dust shield chisled the two weights off the late torq converters and arc welded on the converter about were we thought they went , drilled a few dimples in the weights to make up for the arc weling material and all was good Vibrationan gone. Done that about 6 or 7 times before a local engine builder at the machine shop told us " that won't work!) Good motors would run on anything with the low comp pistons. Never seen a broken crank or anything negative about the cast crank !! We put those 440's in 69 chargers,69 road runner convertible, 66 corners paid $150 to $350.00 for the motors ( more than we paid for some of the cars!)
Truck and motor home 440’s had the heavy “6 pack” rods also.
We've gotta get Nick to 250K Subscribers during Carlisle!!!
We are so close!
Your "Marketplace" 440 HP was probably from a police car. . . You might be interested to know that the E86 (sales code) 440 HP that was installed at the factory in my 1974 Dodge Charger SE had "Six Pack" connecting rods and a forged crankshaft.
I pulled a 1975 440 out of a full size police car and it came with the big, high performance valve springs, a 6 quart oil system and had a windage tray. So there were high performance 440's in full size police cars in 1975 and a 1975 casting date might be a 1976 engine. Some of the late police engines had 5/8" spark plugs, which makes using headers easier.
Mid size, too. Pretty rare now, though. Most were small blocks.
There were some HP 440`s in and around 1975-1977. They were cast crank, and had a different casting # on the harmonic balancer. I believe the casting # ended with a "1" on the HP`s. Most likely cop cars.
@@bbivens8263 The HP cast crankshafts had, "flame hardened" journals. The late 73 and all 74 HP 440's have cast crankshafts and those were available in the Charger and Road Runners, but after 74 the HP 440's were police package engines.
Love the 70’s Tv show music
Steve from Adelaide on vacation in Melbourne Australia tuned in
Nick my dad had a 1976 Dodge Maxi Van with that same motor and set up it was runner even loaded down with all his tools it would scream it was wilded.😁
Years ago when I was in high school my gym teacher told me he came home from school to find his boy had his car in the living room and had pulled the engine in there. Lol. True story.
I just want to say how grateful i am for your videos!!!! i have learned so much about engines and cars since then and i cannot wait to share my knowledge with others who are just as passionate to learn!!! i plan to throw a 427 TD in a 03 mustang and see what she does. thank you for doing your job and doing these videos!!!
JUST LOVING THE TEARDOWNS SPECIALY WHEN NICK SAIS IVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE
Hint, don't be the all caps guy
@@speedfreak8200 i hit the caps lock button by mistake and i hit enter and never edited
Standard bore you got something to work with if the block isn't cracked...Nicks Garage makes my Monday evening.
Always so educational and entertaining! 🔧
Thanks to you Nick! 😎👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hearing the music 🎶, I feel like I’m watchin a Shaft tv 📺 show LOL 😂
Wow just wow all out the box brand new HEMI engine....only at Nick's garage!!! And on a school night perfect !!👍
Congrats on a quarter million subs guys!
Thank you!
I make the same comment on every tear-down video. Most interesting and valuable historical info.
Thanks for that!
My dad used fram oil filters for years and never had a problem
Learn something new every day. I thought the exhaust gasket was to stop the exhaust manifold from cooking the valve cover gasket’s. Thanks Nick
Hello Nick,
Love your channel, I'm a. Old Mopar affecteniado.
As for Fram oil filters I've ran them on Mopar, Chev and never had a problem but I always changed em on reg intervals.
I don't use them now as I reside in Europe and not Texas now. In my humble opinion these opinions were quite likely rendered by "keyboard experts".
KEEP up the great content as your stuff is Golden.
I've used Frame for decades without any problems. I always disassemble my filters during oil change every 3500 miles to check for metal partials.
I've been a mechanic for almost 40 years. I can say that Fram is a good filter, most failures come from not changing the oil at all, not the choice of filter, lol!!!
I used the Fram PH8A on Ford 351’s for decades & Never had any problems…..
But every time someone UA-cam car guy tears apart a bunch of different brands of oil filters, the Fram has about a third of the filtering material of any other brand and weaker internal parts than most of them, too. Maybe it is good enough, but..
They had a city sponsored oil recycling event a few years ago. They even gave you an new oil filter if your brought in your your old one as well as the oil from your old change. The one filter offered as a Fram. When I objected, they said they'd give one non Fram if you turned in TWO used filters. I took them up on that. But I think I made the right decision.
Fram got its bad.rep after some guy named "bobs the oil guy" posted a purely non scientific test of oil filters. I think you will find it was also the first example of "it must be true, I read it on the Internet". I have been a licensed auto mechanic since the 70s. Never encountered a failed fram oil filter. Frames filters meet all manufacturers warranty specs. If these filters were even half as bad as claimed do you really think manufacturers would still warrantee defective engines that had fram filters on them.
The first time I read that post he was focusing on fram using a cardboard washer inside and how it couldn't contain the oil pressure in his opinion. I never saw any real examples of failures or read any first hand knowledge of actual failures. There were lots of tales of how my friends dad"s boss had a car in the 60s that only ever used fram filters and had his engine fail at 50000 miles due to oil filter failure. That was back in the days when the oil filter was only changed every other oil change which also meant one quart of dirty oil ran twice the miles of the rest of the oil.
@@22099dscott Fram used to use a cardboard anti-flowback valve (you can see through the drain holes at the top) and i've seen many come off a vehicle with it dissolved and missing.. I think that was one of the original complaints if my memory serves, but Fram definitely uses a silicone one now.
About my only complaint really is that they have less inches of filter material, but honestly they seem to hold up better than they used to.
I've done oil analysis on my vehicle between a fram and a wix, 3000 miles apart and the analysis was pretty dang close to each other so, while that's an anecdotal test it satisfied me that i'd happily put one on in a pinch (but i'm a habitual die hard WIX guy and that's my cross to bear lol)
Love your videos Nick. My dad was Mopar builder and if he was alive he would be a big fan
Very interesting teardown Nick! At least you have a block that can be decked, go .030" overbore to get a good starting point. I can't wait to see you transform it into a nice cruiser engine.
...would like to see at least 440hp with out a lot of high dollar parts!....
That 440 got the craig's list rebuild.
Wow that was an interesting tear down Nick and it looks like it can be rebuilt and I'm sure you will make it something special too. Can't wait for the finished product now.
Thanks 👍
I think it had a bit of a recent trip to the carwash to get a pressure clean, hence all the water.
But when Nick wound it over with no plugs.... guys, we got a squirter! 😆
Nick, in the 70s Fram oil filters for motorcycles were known for spitting the filters right off their threads. They kept the rep, I think.
My Dad had a Fram explode about 10 mins after a oil change causing the engine to ultimately fail. Fram did give him a credit towards a replacement engine though.
Teardowns are "fun". You never know what to find. In a Ford 351 I found two pushrods and some spare change coins in the oilpan. I bought a 360 Mopar With no compression on one cylinder, it was put together with on one head on one cyl, the intake valve in the exhaustport and the exhaustvalve in the intake port. Surprise. Cheers.
I always learn something new watching these disassembly sessions. I wonder why you don't have them washed down first, but I guess you might wash away some clues to a problem the engine has. Thank you Nick!
That's precisely why.
You can clean & wash it all later.
Another great teardown video: Nick is the automotive forensic pathologist!!! I never knew before about the importance of looking at engine parts and seeing what story they tell, until I watched Professor Panaritis at work. Good stuff!!!! Great week to y’all!!!!
Nicks phd from the school of hard knocks!!
This video reminded me of my ’78 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am that I owned from new to many years after. At the time I sure thought I had a muscle car but actually I have come to learn that car was from the detuned engine era. The compression was only 8.1:1. That meant that 400 cu. in. engine only developed 200 horsepower. My ’12 Chrysler 200 Touring convertible with the Pentastar V6 develops 283 horsepower from only 220 cubes, which has way better performance than that old Pontiac, so much for my so-called muscle car from 1978. 🤨
Nick and George, Hello for Monday !!! Glad Nick getting it taken apart ...that water sure aint good for an engine to sit around in . Always enjoy and learn something. Take It Easy ...
Thanks 👍 Have a great week, Sarge.
@@NicksGarage Hey yall too !!!
Thanks Nick and George. I enjoy engine tear downs and builds. I need another project, my engine stand has been collecting dust!
Pretty cool that your client has an HP block!
people always complain about the fram filter because the top and bottom of the element is cardboard and not steel like other filters , but i saw no issues with the carton style top and bottom on this filter , i say it passes as good
It’s great to see this good sound engineering from the 70s ,Not like the modern throw away junk
Yes, the least regarded 440s, yet still great engines that endure everything thrown at them.
Back in the late 70's and early 80's, I managed a parts store. The demo display from WIX Filters had a sectioned WIX and a Fram. The key differences between the two were the WIX had rubber seals at the top and bottom and the Fram had paper. Also, if you removed the filter paper from the inside, the Fram had about 10 feet of filter paper in the actual filter media and the WIX about 25. The point was that more filter media would trap more dirt because the surface area was larger because more folds in the filtering media makes more area. At the time, Frams cost $1.99 and Wix were $3.99. I have always run WIX or the factory filter from that time. The display made me a believer.
Yup, the more the media. The 40 years of a tech, the Fram filters were hit or miss if you got the filter off. You can determine if the filter is good by the weight of it.
Wix here, Napa Gold filters are made by Wix. I run Motorcraft filter in my 7.3 but other 2 get wix .... oil Rotella T6 full synthetic in everything.
There are videos where guys cut apart oil filters and roll out the media and it was just as you say.
@@speedfreak8200 Yep, NAPA Gold is Wix, and Napa Platinum is Wix XP.
Nick, I am not sure how Mopar installed their block heaters from the factory, but the goobers at Ford certainly were butchers.
They pounded the freeze plugs into the block, didn't bother to remove them, and slapped the block heater into place. Causing the drivers rear cylinder to run hot. This was in the police 4.6 . Wouldn't surprise me if they did this across the board on other engine...
Good afternoon Nick and George. Another Monday, and we have a 440 teardown video, my favorite kind of video. I'm anxious to see how far the pistons are down in the bore at TDC. My guess is that it will be over .125 and probably more. A Monday is always better with Nick's Garage. Here we go!!
We're glad to see you here, sir. Thanks for watching from the great state of Texas. As usual, you are right on target.
@@NicksGarage I always look forward to the Monday video, it just makes the day a little bit better. This 440 wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It has it's issues, but it will be transformed by DR. Nick into an awesome 440. Great video George, you always do such a great job on the teardown videos, you are the man.
My daughter was in Dallas last week for a few days. She said very hot everyday.
@@nickpanaritis4122 If I knew that your daughter was going to be in Dallas, I would have driven up to meet her if possible just to say hello.
@@eugenecastles7475 .. Really, I should have known. That would have been a pleasure for both of you to meet. WOW.
I used Fram for decades without a problem ever.
Like other great YT videos, Nick is a mentor to us, no big ego talking down to the masses.
High respect.
Thank you for watching !
Everyone talks about how good the 440 is but never really talk about the engineering reasons why and it all starts with the original big block way back in 1958. If you look at the previous engines, especially all the early Hemi's you can see Mopar was working hard to build a better engine. First of all let's look at the block. It is a deep skirted block. This was a new idea for Mopar. It makes the block much more rigid meaning you don't need 4 bolt mains to keep the mains from flexing like you do on a regular block like the previous Hemi and Poly engines. Second is putting the distributor in the front instead of the rear. It makes servicing the points, cap and rotor and setting the timing much easier. Since oil pumps in this era were run off a drive shaft driven by the distributor gear in virtually every engine made Mopar made the conscious choice to make the oil pump entirely external. Oil pumps wear and this makes servicing them a snap, almost as easy as changing the oil filter. There is no water that runs through individual pipes bolted to the heads or ports in the intake manifold so coolant leaks are minimized and leaks from the intake manifold in many different makes have been directly responsible for destroying an untold number of engines over the years. The block and water pump manifold ports are separated to give cooling priority to the heads, called reverse flow, that helps to minimize pre-ignition. They use stamped steel rocker arms that are very light and minimize valve float more common when using heavier components. Also the rocker shaft system is very efficient by eliminating deflection. The big blocks have an excellent oiling system. If you have ever primed your 383/400/440 with the intake and valley pan off you can see how the lifter valley and the cam are virtually flooded with a torrent of oil. This is why big blocks never seem to have an issue with cam/lifter failure, if regular maintenance is given, unlike so many other makes. The rear main seal is a lip style seal when rope was still popular and it has it's own housing instead of being in a groove on the rear main cap like most other makes, making it dependable but very easy to change if needed. They use 4 bolts on the bottom edge of the valve covers, 6 total, that helps to eliminate leak oil leaks. There are many other minor details that showed that Mopar engineers put a ton of thought and effort into building an engine that could have been used for many decades without a need for refinements. Had it not been for the EPA intervention of the 1970's I'm betting they would still be in production and very popular. As a mechanic who has worked on all makes these are some of the things that make the Mopar B and RB engines perhaps the best ever made. Today things like easy serviceability seem almost foreign and everything seems to be designed to fail, after the warranty is out of course. But not back when Mopar introduced the B/RB design. It was truly engineered to last.
Well said. And yes, it is a great engine in many ways. Thank you.
I agree. Well said.
Also: Five bolts per cylinder vs 4 on most other engines. Mentioned in the Mopar Bible as being and advantage that means head gaskets are seldom a problem.
Water pump separate from water pump housing for easy replacement.
Oil pump, distributor, and fuel pump NOT in the timing cover.
The bore spacing left room for bigger engines. Better than most except Packard and Cadillac. It was becoming clear that all the previous Mopar V8's had not enough room for growth. The Dodge and DeSoto V8's had less cylinder wall spacing than the first Plymouth v8.
Yes, the B-RBs had leading edge technology that still stands up today. Interesting that you were presented with lip style seals. Every one that I had to deal with had a rope. I didn't play around. I took a rope out, I put a rope in. MOPAR 4227926. Getting scarce now.
@@auteurfiddler8706 Looking at the 5 cap-screws per cylinder the clamping force is evenly distributed in a star pattern. Because of the double rockers, to get this same star pattern with the Hemi required the studs and nuts underneath in the intake valley. This was a real problem that needed to be solved. If it hadn't been, the 426 would've turned out very different, and not for the better.
They made power tools for us old guys !
No mystery here...just a standard police car engine! Like previous coments have said....basicly the same as early 440 hp's...except with cast crank and lower compression.... i dismantled many of these 440hp engines back in the 90's.... the differences are minimal. Good engines!
Thanks Nick❤ have a great and blessed day
That’s a nice block, pretty much virgin. Heads look good at first glance, stripped and dipped will tell all. This will be fun, an engine from “cocoon” to “butterfly”! Watch this kids, about to be a perfect cruising motor with sound and torque. 🤪😃👍
Germany has the thumbs up 😉
Thanks for watching in Germany.
Motorhomes!
Yep!
@@NicksGarage Nope. Motor homes have:
1. Dipstick in pan not block
2. Truck oil pan either front or rear sump not this one
3. center dump exhaust both sides, same as pickups
4. T not HP on the identification pad
5. exhaust rotators not retainers (this could have been changed)
This engine came from a B body police car. Not a C body from what I could see of the oil pan.
As I re read the above comments, it appears to me that you guys may be cheering that there are motorhomes out there still with 440's. Not saying that this particular engine came from one. I am with you on that!😀😀
Old car memories soundtrack. 😁
His camera work and sound are getting better he has good people doing the UA-cam for him
Funky music, gotta love it!
Shout out to Nick- from Indianapolis Indiana!! Enjoying the show!!
That was interesting. I guess someone put it together without head gaskets just to keep all the parts together safe in one place.
Nice name you’ve got there!! He he…..
WIX filters for the win Nick.
Considering no rust maybe it was just full of hydraulic fluid?
HP stamp makes sense from where I'm sitting, with the Toyota Corolla's (the one you had in a while ago) they also mix-matched early & late heads & blocks, whatever they had at hand basically.
I cut open a brand new fram filter and couldn’t believe what i seen
At one of the end plates the filter media was folded over and there was a hole where unfiltered oil could pass absolute truth i still have it
I just built my first 440 out of a motorhome got it for fee. A real heck of a job getting it out lots of swearing and lots of sawzall blades. I rebuilt it all back to stock and sold it and made a pritty good profit. Awesome video Nick cheers from Toronto 🍻
They were intended to be removed from below. No cutting needed. Just an RV lift, usually only found in RV repair shops.
@@auteurfiddler8706 No way this was coming out from the buttum look like a lowrider
The 440 ended in the Road Runner in 74, but lasted in the 4 door Satellite police 4 more years. So it isn't just New Yorkers. The oil pan will give a clue what car line the engine came from. I did not see the C body shape on the oil pan bottom, so I think it was a B body police.
So, to be technical, the last super car was a 440 Coronet police in 1978. A lot of guys forget that car because the cars featured in the Blues Brothers movie were big cars, not midsizes. Watch Adam 12, Dirty Harry series of movies, and Hunter TV series for examples.
I believe LA PD never used non B body Mopars.
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We hope you had a great weekend, Mooseman.
I had my 70 GTX engine rebuilt stock around 1985. It was a big shop.
When I picked up the car, I asked them why there were different colors for the block and the valve covers than stock. They said they don't paint the engines factory colors. They use one color scheme for every engine they build in 1985 , a different one than the one they used in 1984, which was different than 1983. The reason was they wanted unusual paint schemes was to make it harder for a customer to bring back an engine under warranty that was not actually the one they had built.
I think my engine was like a Ford blue on the block and red on the valve covers. There may have been a third color. If I had brought in, say, a Datsun 240z, they would have put on the same colors.
I don't think this is what happened here. As Nick said, it is likely the guy put his engine together for selling and didn't want to waste money on new gaskets.
Maybe he just put whatever pushrods he had lying around in there for the same reason.
I have ran just about every filter made throughout my lifetime of driving & never had issues with air or oil filters. Now if you use 1 filter that wasn't designed for what type driving you do, then yes, maybe it will fail. I've had cams, rods, cranks, bearings, etc. fail but no oil or air filter failures. I do love these old engines. They will last a very long time if not abused & proper maint. is done on time. They sound awesome
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@@NicksGarage Thank you! Enjoying the tear down!
Would love to have a 75 Plymouth Road Runner with a built 440 4bbl under the hood, 400hp and 480 ft lbs of torque, 3.73 posi out back.
73-78 There were HP and Magnum motors with basically all that was changed were the cam and the exhaust manifolds. Compression was down which killed the motors. Carter TQ great carb that does not look like a stock intake manifold 6 pack connecting rods are HEAVY the LY rods are just fine.
The problem with the 'older' FRAM filters wasn't necessarily the filter material, but the anti-drainback valve was cardboard and would get soggy and ultimately break apart.. They seemed to have solved this that i've seen and they seem to use the silicone valve now. The filter medium in general with FRAM isn't horrible, but you do get less 'inches' of filter material than say a WIX
That and sometimes the end of the pleats where they connect the two ends sometimes didn't hold and allowed dirty oil to circulate.
I had an old Dodge Fury with a 440...it was n old police car. huge carb on it.
The Frame filters are a problem. Most often the problem is when you have high oil pressure.
88cc chamber, calculates to 7.99:1 with the steel shim head gasket. .15" below deck isn't bad, they can be up to .18" With regular fel pros you'll be at low 7's. HP 440's were with dual exhaust, windage tray, hp valve springs, all the stuff the earlier HP's had except for the forged crank, cam and CR. Most earlier HP's had the pistons below the deck stock about .090". And most of them did not have "six pack" rods, the HP rod came out for 1970, so not even the early six packs had them. And an original HP rod engine also has a counterweight like the cast crank engine. Also in the converter/flywheel. Despite of Nick's experience with 440's, it's amazing how little he has seen them.
Yes, he hasn't seen many 72 and newer. Do you know if the 6 pack rod engines had weights in the torque converter?
Was thinking most filters used paper for as long as I remember.
I began changing oil filters in the early 1950s.
They only fall apart if you get water in them.
Then you got more than filter problems.
Yes, it is the length of the paper that is the question.
Hi Nick and George. What I’ve heard is that those filters didn’t have a drain back valve which were claimed to cause dry starts. Back in 1992 I had a 5.9 diesel and there was a Chrysler service bulletin put out saying to refrain from using them due to starvation of #5 rod bearing. Was it a sales gimmick to push theirs or the manufacturer filter, I did not wish to experiment. Although, I did previously use them on my Chev 350 gas, and did go through many motors in the time I owned it. But then again, filter or bad machine shops. The jury is still out on that, but again, I’ve stayed away from them. I drove 686, 574km on a ‘95 Suburban until it rotted away, and the motor is still alive in a guys ‘75 short box. How many more can it go, who knows. Thanks for sharing that interesting tear down. Hope the heads aren’t warped.
Years later, if my future business is successful, I will look for a 74 or 75 Plymouth Duster. Get a 318 and get her built up into a nice 318 4bbl motor that can put out 350hp and 360 ft lbs of torque. She would be a bracket race car. Stock class.
On your previous teardown of that low compression motor it had a comp 252 H cam with about 202 @.050. We tried that cam 40+ years ago. Recently there was a dyno test of that cam and a 268 comp (a later UD Harold Brookshire design) The 252 had much more torque below 3000 rpm but even that short cam is not enough to make up for 8:1. In the Transit busses we did as a Production Engine Rebuilder we ended up using a Custom Grind by the Late Bill Jenks at Moon/Potvin cams - really old school craftsman. It had about the same lift as the comp 252 as it was designed for the Chrysler .904 lifter whereas the comp is a "universal" one size fits all chevy design. It was mid 240 duration and 192 @.050. Cam change really picks up the torque but cam alone does not solve the heat problem. BTW the 268 comp is noisey because it i hard on the valvetrain. Harolds later Lunati and Ultradyne profiles are better and Howards Harold profiles were his best- all obsolete today
Before it was sold maybe the owner opened it up to check and see if it looked ok before it sold is my guess , great content and commentary !…..
I really enjoy a Nick's Garage tear down and Nick's historic knowledge is the best around Nick want's to find out the height between piston and deck When you build an engine with Nick high compression is what you get That's why Nick's Garage demands respect You can drive your muscle car with pride but only Nick's Garage shows you how it works inside and educates you about your ride If you want to learn about classic and rare cars Nick's Garage is your guide Thanks Nick Bless you George
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All in all that block looks good on that side.
your engine stand is better than mine for sure