Liberator Gen 2 Rocket Mass Heater Long Term Update November 2021 with Uncle Mud
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2021
- So here is a followup video to answer some questions from the comments. Thank you.
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Great video . My gen 2 should be at my house in summer 2022..
I look forward to seeing video of it including your mass bench.
Thank you for doing a quick follow up. Very nice that the stove preformed for your year round use. I too like your updates and will consider these for my build.
Is this stove your primary heat source?
Yes.
Thank you so much for sharing your upgrades. I haven't even got my rocket stove yet but I'm going to use your upgrades ordered the glass (again thanks for the info) now on the look out for a Grill handle.
Glad to help
Nice design.
it has been working well for us. Thank you for watching.
Great video, thank you. I wonder how this setup would work in a 500 sq/ft cabin in the northeast.
It does a great job heating my 1200 square foot doublewide trailer in Cleveland Ohio so it will probably do quite well for your cabin.
Looks like a great stove.
Can you add a water coil to it easily?
The heat volume suggests to me you could run hydronic heat as well and store it.
Thanks for watching. The larger Gamera from Bulgaria can be ordered with stainless steel water coils built in. The Liberator I would say is a little small for a hydronic system at 20-33k btu per hour.
Cool stove. I've always had traditional wood stoves up in North Idaho. Pellet stoves that I've seen i've stayed away from, because without power they can't turn the auger to move them to the fire. Not so with this stove, plus you can burn regular cord wood, but it doesn't look like you can do an all night burn with cord wood, because the infeed is so small. The ash buildup seems like a problem to, is it a problem to clean it out while its burning?
The thermal mass bench stores heat and slowly releases it overnight to keep you warm without having to stoke the fire or damp it down which would make it burn dirty and inefficiently. The ash buildup is not really an issue. I can fire it all day without the ash getting in the way and It only takes me a minute or two to clean out each morning before I fire it back up. I made a little video on that. ua-cam.com/video/bhsYPNyPVLc/v-deo.html here is a link to the stove rocketmassheater.com/recommends/unclemud/
Like the way you used the barrels! When you put barrels to gether. How did you connect the barrels
The barrels are connected to each other with a 4" scrap of barrel metal screwed inside then filled with cob around the stovepipe.
@@UncleMud Can you do a video to explain or show how the bench goes together? Does this version of a bench weigh any less than one built directly off the floor? Is there a thermal mass option that you know of for a second story floor? Thank you kindly:)
@@kikichamelion This is a mass bench designed to work on a wood floor on a second story or over a crawl space. The half-barrels are filled with cob surrounding the chimney pipe. Here's the build video for the barrel. Thank you for watching. ua-cam.com/video/KDlHcRznfbg/v-deo.html drop us a line at info@unclemud.com if you want help on your rocket design.
Hi, thanks for the video, I'm wondering are you going out of the stove through the barrels, is there a stove pipe running through the barrels then outside through the upright chimney pipe?
I'm off grid in Northern Maine, small 500 sq foot cabin, thinking seriously about this stove, my propane non vented wall furnace is lousy, need to either get vented furnace or switch to a stove like this... thank you.
Thank you for watching. There is a 6" stove pipe running through the barrels which are filled with cob that stores and slowly releases the heat from the exhaust before going outside through the upright chimney pipe. With the rocket heater it does a great job heating my 1200 square foot trailer home in Cleveland using very little wood.
Excellent reporting!
Why 2 air intakes? Only one used?
Do pellets ever get to burn as clean as wood? (Because, during our outdoor pre-burn, pellets emitted nasty ochre smoke, even as barrel top reached about 400*F)?
Thank you for watching. The intakes are on both sides so you can choose which one to hook the outside air intake hose to based on convenience. I am guessing your outdoor preburn did not include a 20 foot tall insulated chimney, which would have given the pellets the stronger draft and hotter burn they need. They will burn better once your heater is installed as long as the pellets are dry. I prefer burning wood and I think it is a cleaner burn but the pellets are quite convenient.
@@UncleMud Ohhh! Maybe that’s it.
For the burn-in, we stuck on a single-wall 5’ straight piece + an elbow at base. Outdoor temp was warm & rain intermittent.
I burned wood til I could not sense smell from paint, then switched to pellets to try.
So…unit not hot enough, chimney too short, could cause bad pellet smoke…I sure hope so! Need this to work!!
Where did you get the glass at the clean out?
Sorry my supplier went out of business
The landfill near me has free wood chips, just load it yourself. Have you tried wood chips and would it clog the feed tube 🤔. Also have you heated water and your house with this at the same time.
We have not found any wood chip feed system that doesn't require a LOT of babysitting. The liberator only produces about 30k btu per hour so you don't get much of either if you try for both hot water and warm room.
@@UncleMud I wonder if a long circular feed tube or something 🤔 could keep from clogging?
@@jasonbowman7190 not so far. I would love to see someone get reliable good results from such a cheap available resource.
what is your heat shield under the heater made of? or what brand is it? where can i buy something like this/? thanks
My Liberator is sitting on top of bricks with sand swept between them. Thank you for watching.
Hello uncle mud how do you clean out the ash can you do a video on that ?
Thank you for the suggestion. W will watch for an opportunity.
ua-cam.com/video/bhsYPNyPVLc/v-deo.html here's your cleanout video
Thank you for taking time out of your day to make that video.
Will this heat a small home of about 1100 sq. ft. effectively without a mass heat addition?
It will work a lot better with a thermal mass. This poorly insulated 1100 square foot double wide with a 600 square foot glass room would stay warmer with a much bigger thermal mass, but even with this very small mass bench down to about 15 degrees F outside we wake up 10 hours after we stopped feeding the fire and the house is still around 58 degrees. You could heat a home this size well with the Liberator without a mass bench if you strictly use the pellet feeder. A load of pellets lasts me between 8 and 20 hours depending on how much draft I give it. A load of scrap wood lasts maybe half an hour so the fire needs constant tending, which means unless your house is very very well insulated you would wake up cold without the mass. Some of these type of heaters I have built in treehouses and cottages and school busses without the mass and they work well for qhick cheap heat while your are feeding them and everyone just sleeps in a sleeping bag and reluctantly moves quick to feed the fire in the morning. The payoff for me for the hassle of constant tending has been reducing my fuel bill from over $3000 on propane to about $1500 per year on cordwood to now with this type of heater (of which I have built and used several long term) I am using less than $100 per year of hardwood flooring scraps from the mill down the street. Thank you for watching.
The web pages for the Liberator 2 are not functioning to place an order. I see no phone number and the contact page says 'error.' Have they stopped producing the Liberator or are they out of business?
Bonnie, the Liberator folks have been so swamped getting their new factory up and running and catching up with previous orders. Keep checking back. I will try to update this comment when they are selling again rocketmassheater.com/recommends/unclemud/
Rocket heater beach .what is in the barrel. I am making some😅! Do you put small holes in the barrel and than put small stones inside the barrel!🎃
I am not sure I understand the question. Please keep trying with me until I get it right. The barrel is empty except for an insulated internal chimney. The barrel radiates heat into the room quickly. The flat barrel bench next to the heater is filled with solid clay with the chimney going through it to store heat and radiate it slowly after the fire goes out. Thank you for watching.
When do you clean the ash out of stove???
Every morning I pull a dustpan of ash from the cold rocket heater and sprinkle it on the ice on the driveway.
Great update. Question: It has to do with the ceramic inside. You've only had it for less than a year and it needs replacing? Or am I missing something?
This was an early prototype of the Gen 2. The ceramic liner boards have since been replaced with something a lot more durable.
@@UncleMud Thanks. I was a bit concerned. I've heard there's a waiting list and they won't be out for a few more months. I hope they do well and sell. I did check with my insurance company about the stove. My homeowners will go up 50 a year because it'll be an added source. If I could put it in my fireplace then I'm fine.
I'd like to add two. One for where I live and one for my vacation home. Looks like that would heat the house upstate just about right from what I've been seeing
I had to find out if it was EPA certified. From what read it is. Important for someone certified to install the stove
@beebob1279 do you mean wasn't certified?
@@joed.4038 No, it is certified
How do you start the draft with with that long pipe? Great video. Thanks
if it is below freezing there is enough natural draft for it to start right up. Above freezing I open the cleanout under the chimney and light a firestarter in there to prime the chimney. thank you for watching.
How hot does the bench get when it’s at its hottest?
about 110 (f)
How do you make comb that you in the barrel?
comb?
Hi, I was wondering how to decide between the Gamera and the Gen II Liberator.
If you need a heater that runs on pellets to or that you can install legally code and insurance approved in a house in the US you go Liberator. go to rocketheater.com and use my UNCLEMUD23 code at checkoout for free shipping in the US. If you need something with more BTUs than 30k go with the Gamera (75k I think). Gamera.eu
@@UncleMud Hi Uncle Mud, Thanks so much for answering my question! I have another one, How does one know how many BTUs a home needs? I am so excited to become part of this heating revolution!! 😃😄
@@DebCM-wm8kj If you have an existing furnace you can get rough idea of your daily heat needs on any given hour by multiplying the BTU rating of the furnace (say 30,000 BTU) x the fraction of each hour that the furnace is running (say .2 hours if it is on for 12 minutes each hour). You would want to do this test when it is about as cold as it gets, then you would multiply by 3 or 4 to give yourself leeway to only be feeding the rocket heater for eight or six hours each day and getting your warmth from the mass bench instead of feeding your heater 24/7.
@@UncleMud Hi, thanks again!! I knew you would have a good way of figuring it out. But we don't have a furnace, just a wood stove and some passive solar heat thru some south facing windows. Our hose is about 1,100sf. and shaped like an eL. Thanks you!
Can you burn coal in it?
It is possible but not recommended. The metal is not designed to handle the higher temperatures of burning coal.