I feel unreasonably proud of "our" Warhammer. Seriously, I've visited it twice and fought alongside it against two XenoThreat incursions, yet it feels as if it was "my" flagship somehow. 07
I just hope my org is able to put together a big fleet with one of these spearheading the whole thing. A Javelin, a few hammerheads, and a bunch of vanguards and Gladiuses (Gladi?), redeemers, Sabres, retaliators, and maybe an Idris or two. It would take a hell of a lot of manpower, and probably very overkill for most things, but goddammit it would be epic to have it all flying in formation or something.
RazerManic whom I asked for permission to post, it was on the screen at the time. Here is the link to the full video. ua-cam.com/video/Hi_-jO10nBg/v-deo.html
Great video! I'm looking forward to the day we can have these for org operations. Take the fight to the Vanduul and see what CIG lets us get away with.
I hope we get some vanduul capital ships to fight against instead of human made ones. would make it so much cooler. I gues it would make production of them faster since we wont be able to walk around in them etc.
Has CIG's writing team written anything to match the huge number of Javelin's sold to players, vs the small number of Javelin's we've seen in cinematics or on tour during Fleet Week?
Javelins are super common in the verse and the ones sold to players are all mothballed ones. The one we have been touring is the same one every year, the UEES War Hammer. So I don't quite know what the question is, but yes the lore team accounts for the massive number of them out there. They are so common they are often the anchor of a battlegroup over the Bengal.
I think designing the new generation of Javelin would make for a good contest, another "The next great starship design." Maybe the frame could be modified somewhat to distinguish military Javelin from those sold to civilians/citizens. I would've liked to see more stats on the gen 3 Javelin such as crew compliment and traveling capabilities.
Easy to forget how different Javelins could be. Only having one at the moment. I can't imagine the game is complete torture to make. probably much more the opposite. Also, still missing XT. :\
As a javelin owner, it seems only you guys are salty! I fully expect it being expensive to pull the ship out and it being an occassion that you have to save up for with other ships making you money. Perhaps something you do with an org for a specific mission, like a vanduul raid. I don't think many javelin owners expect to be able to just float around in the ship with no cost, in fact, I think the whole idea is that it's supposed to be a challenge!
@@Tom--Ace You must not have ever gone on Spectrum, but that's a good thing. There is a VERY prevalent amount of people that demand to solo ships Connie sized and bigger, it's not an insignificant number of people. Yes, they're very ignorant of the game and where it is going, but that doesn't mean they are out there. I almost pity the people that bought these massive fleets yet aren't in orgs or have no friends, because they'll be very much sorry that they did
The videos you make are really good, but I have to correct you on one thing. If you take a cruiser or battle cruiser (which is really just a cruiser that is more heavily armed) from the present or even past time. Whereby the areas of operation and armament has changed greatly over time, then they have one thing in common whereby earlier more important than today, they could fight any opponent who could catch up with you and drive away from all other types of ships. So for me it is wrong to say cruisers or battlecruisers are slow. Of course, these data, doctrines from seafaring and Star Citizen is something else again.
Based on the star citizen lore cruisers are slow and large. If transposed to our current ships IRL the Javelin would be a Cruiser class but the UEE Cruiser and Battleship classes are massive sizes in comparison. Effectively Cruisers are designed as more flexible battleships bristling with guns and are faster but lack armor, while Battleships are heavy, big, slow, and devastating. AFAIK Cruisers and Battleships have been phased out of the UEE Navy because they were more vulnerable to faster hit and run attacks and weren't worth the upkeep cost when you could build and run a Javelin squadron for the same cost.
you are basing this on ships in water vs ships in space, idk maybe a larger ships top speed in space would be higher than a fighter, but take more time to speed up.
I mean, even for wet navy ships-destroyers are routinely faster than cruisers. We also see ship size primarily constrained by efficient power plant sizes and corresponding weapons efficacy-we stop building ships bigger once the available power plants can’t be made sufficiently space efficient to justify the size increase for some weapon system that required the size. If your best cannon fits on a BB, you don’t make a Super Battleship, you make two battleships. The primary predator of cruisers and battle cruisers alike was battleships. The lore is simply stating that bulk proved insufficiently tactically viable in this era of weapons development-ships large enough to be cruisers and battleships were too slow (particularly between systems) to reach the field, and once there too lacking in maneuverability to be survivable. If your S15 cannon can’t come to bear, track, and hit a destroyer, but the Dessie’s S10 cannons don’t struggle to overcome your shields and armor, then it doesn’t matter how strong the S15 is because the platform isn’t viable. Had we not moved to AirPower, we likely would have continued seeing gunnery based navies moving to lighter and lighter armor to size ratios (the Iowa is pound for pound relatively lighter on armor than the Texas, for example) as speed and accuracy proved more and more important than bulk. The UEE have just gone so far down that road, only dessies and fleet carriers remain viable. Probably for the same reason we don’t build BC and BB anymore either: fighters and bombers. Even a Bengal needs it’s engines to move, and even those engines won’t enjoy S5 missile impacts.
love the game and the ships but the lore saying that they keep using the same design for hundreds of years make no sense you would think a navy would design new ships every 50 years or so to meet demands or add in better tech. I would prefer to serve on a cruiser or battleship lol
Imagine holding against a Vanduul swarm with the CDF when the UEE Navy jumps in with this and a full escort.
I feel unreasonably proud of "our" Warhammer.
Seriously, I've visited it twice and fought alongside it against two XenoThreat incursions, yet it feels as if it was "my" flagship somehow. 07
>The sword of humanity
>The Javelin
My brain…
im always so hooked when i listen to the way you preset star citizens lore
Thanks for watching!
The sweat falling off gunners and instantly sizzling from sustained fire is so metal lol
So interesting, loved this detail about my favourite Star Citizen ship! Thank you for researching and sharing this one!
Interesting that we hear so much about the modular nature of the Javelin in recent times - makes you wonder about the possibilities
I just hope my org is able to put together a big fleet with one of these spearheading the whole thing. A Javelin, a few hammerheads, and a bunch of vanguards and Gladiuses (Gladi?), redeemers, Sabres, retaliators, and maybe an Idris or two. It would take a hell of a lot of manpower, and probably very overkill for most things, but goddammit it would be epic to have it all flying in formation or something.
Overkill? The Vanduul Driller and Vanduul Kingship say hello.
no such thing as overkill against the Vandul or at Jumptown
so cool you took in the xeno event i wish anyother one will come it was alot of fun
I was there Paul, I was there in 2951, fighting Xenos alongside Warhammer... CDF ftw 🫡😉
that clip with all the javelins and idris' fighting was super cool, anyone know where that is from?
RazerManic whom I asked for permission to post, it was on the screen at the time. Here is the link to the full video. ua-cam.com/video/Hi_-jO10nBg/v-deo.html
As a javelin owner I appreciate finally getting a proper lore video. Now CIG GIB my Javelin in the ptu ASAP.
Great video! I'm looking forward to the day we can have these for org operations. Take the fight to the Vanduul and see what CIG lets us get away with.
I hope we get some vanduul capital ships to fight against instead of human made ones. would make it so much cooler. I gues it would make production of them faster since we wont be able to walk around in them etc.
Has CIG's writing team written anything to match the huge number of Javelin's sold to players, vs the small number of Javelin's we've seen in cinematics or on tour during Fleet Week?
Javelins are super common in the verse and the ones sold to players are all mothballed ones. The one we have been touring is the same one every year, the UEES War Hammer. So I don't quite know what the question is, but yes the lore team accounts for the massive number of them out there. They are so common they are often the anchor of a battlegroup over the Bengal.
Now that's what i like to see. Thank you Paul
Great lore vid
I think designing the new generation of Javelin would make for a good contest, another "The next great starship design." Maybe the frame could be modified somewhat to distinguish military Javelin from those sold to civilians/citizens.
I would've liked to see more stats on the gen 3 Javelin such as crew compliment and traveling capabilities.
Great video! Thanks
The AEGIS Javelin...... destroyer *shudders* at CIGs naming convention for ships.
do we know if they'll release this ship fully equipped? Or will we have to buy guns and systems for it when we get it?
Last statement was you get a stripped down version
Love it. Great work once again.
Flexible bulwark for humanity? There's an HCVertigo "your Mom" joke in there...
I wonder which flight javelin we'll get hopefully flight 3s
Looking forward to the Halbard launch in 2954
Awesome video I can believe it was designed and fielded within 18 months
And making a pixel version is taking more than 9 years 🤣
Easy to forget how different Javelins could be. Only having one at the moment.
I can't imagine the game is complete torture to make. probably much more the opposite.
Also, still missing XT. :\
4:10 I REALLY want to know where this footage is from. It looks AWESOME and I hope the original is longer…
There was an ISC about the ships that I managed to snag that from, I don't remember which one though.
@@TheAstroHistorian ok. Cool!
And all those civilian Jav owners will weep when they see how much she costs to feed.
I'd guess, most will never really be used because the owners lack the needed infrastructure to keep them running
@@darthzhyrakh Yep. And I can imagine the salt about it.
As a javelin owner, it seems only you guys are salty!
I fully expect it being expensive to pull the ship out and it being an occassion that you have to save up for with other ships making you money. Perhaps something you do with an org for a specific mission, like a vanduul raid.
I don't think many javelin owners expect to be able to just float around in the ship with no cost, in fact, I think the whole idea is that it's supposed to be a challenge!
@@Tom--Ace You must not have ever gone on Spectrum, but that's a good thing. There is a VERY prevalent amount of people that demand to solo ships Connie sized and bigger, it's not an insignificant number of people. Yes, they're very ignorant of the game and where it is going, but that doesn't mean they are out there. I almost pity the people that bought these massive fleets yet aren't in orgs or have no friends, because they'll be very much sorry that they did
Yeah, silly Jav owners, what dummies, hah! My kraken can still be solo’d though, right?
I got mine in 2017, do you think they'll ever release this ship into flyable mode?
Eventually, depends on how well CIG manages with server mesh.
I got mine 2023. Looks like some "limited ships" are not very limited.
this thing is kinda like the fletchers class destroyers of the star citizen universe
Anyone know when the jav is coming back to the pledge store
Invictus then IAE
*spear of humanity
That's the Marines.
@@TheAstroHistorian a "Javelin" is a spear, is what I meant.
The videos you make are really good, but I have to correct you on one thing. If you take a cruiser or battle cruiser (which is really just a cruiser that is more heavily armed) from the present or even past time. Whereby the areas of operation and armament has changed greatly over time, then they have one thing in common whereby earlier more important than today, they could fight any opponent who could catch up with you and drive away from all other types of ships. So for me it is wrong to say cruisers or battlecruisers are slow. Of course, these data, doctrines from seafaring and Star Citizen is something else again.
Based on the star citizen lore cruisers are slow and large. If transposed to our current ships IRL the Javelin would be a Cruiser class but the UEE Cruiser and Battleship classes are massive sizes in comparison. Effectively Cruisers are designed as more flexible battleships bristling with guns and are faster but lack armor, while Battleships are heavy, big, slow, and devastating. AFAIK Cruisers and Battleships have been phased out of the UEE Navy because they were more vulnerable to faster hit and run attacks and weren't worth the upkeep cost when you could build and run a Javelin squadron for the same cost.
@@TheAstroHistorian Good to know. Thanks for the detailed infos.
you are basing this on ships in water vs ships in space, idk maybe a larger ships top speed in space would be higher than a fighter, but take more time to speed up.
I mean, even for wet navy ships-destroyers are routinely faster than cruisers. We also see ship size primarily constrained by efficient power plant sizes and corresponding weapons efficacy-we stop building ships bigger once the available power plants can’t be made sufficiently space efficient to justify the size increase for some weapon system that required the size. If your best cannon fits on a BB, you don’t make a Super Battleship, you make two battleships.
The primary predator of cruisers and battle cruisers alike was battleships. The lore is simply stating that bulk proved insufficiently tactically viable in this era of weapons development-ships large enough to be cruisers and battleships were too slow (particularly between systems) to reach the field, and once there too lacking in maneuverability to be survivable.
If your S15 cannon can’t come to bear, track, and hit a destroyer, but the Dessie’s S10 cannons don’t struggle to overcome your shields and armor, then it doesn’t matter how strong the S15 is because the platform isn’t viable.
Had we not moved to AirPower, we likely would have continued seeing gunnery based navies moving to lighter and lighter armor to size ratios (the Iowa is pound for pound relatively lighter on armor than the Texas, for example) as speed and accuracy proved more and more important than bulk. The UEE have just gone so far down that road, only dessies and fleet carriers remain viable.
Probably for the same reason we don’t build BC and BB anymore either: fighters and bombers. Even a Bengal needs it’s engines to move, and even those engines won’t enjoy S5 missile impacts.
Sword?? Lol
I spent 4000 dollars in cold hard cash on this bad boy. Do I regret my decision? Absofuckinlutely.
Sir, this is a whammers.
"I'm Kuul with the Vanduul- Defund the Navy- Stop the intergalactic hate machine the Javelin-
A comment for the Comment God.
love the game and the ships but the lore saying that they keep using the same design for hundreds of years make no sense you would think a navy would design new ships every 50 years or so to meet demands or add in better tech. I would prefer to serve on a cruiser or battleship lol
Lol