Dutton Family Tree Dissected: Is 1923's Spencer the Grandfather of Yellowstone's John Dutton?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- SPOILERS AHEAD! Is Taylor Sheridan throwing us an ingenious curveball with the Dutton Family Tree? 1923's foreshadowing, strongly placed clues, and familiar thru-lines to Yellowstone may make Spencer Dutton the key to everything.
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I hope so! Spencer and Alex are the only thing I’m into!
Love me some good plot twists!!! Can’t wait for Spencer to put his special set of skills to work against his brother’s killer!!
100%! I knew from the moment Spencer and Alex showed up that only THEY could have passed on the DNA that we so love about John and Beth Dutton.
Lol wrong! Obviously John Dutton the 2nd (aka Jack) is the father of John Dutton the 3rd. They revealed they are pregnant episode 5 confirming this. We don’t know of any other Duttons so Spencer must not have kids
@@codya4862 what about Patience? She dies in 1931
@@codya4862just because they say she’s pregnant doesn’t mean that the child is carried to term or survives thru the depression.
Its mathematically impossible. I dont understand how anyone thinks Spencer could be the bloodline?
@@tallcip65 Mathmetically impossible? You don't have to be John II to name your son John III. It's weird, but it happens. I could totally see Spencer naming his son in honor of his brother's legacy thus carrying on the John Dutton name. I don't think the fans would go for it unless John II gets killed before Spencer's child is born. More realistically, I agree that John III should be John II's child - but he could be raised by Spencer if he is orphaned. Or John II could become a fan favorite under Spencer's influence and then the Spencer fans would rally behind John II carrying on the family line. John II is still so young, we haven't seen what kind of a man he will grow into. I'd love to see these plot lines develop over more than just 8 more episodes.
They sure are spending a LOT of time on Spencer and Alex for them to NOT be the lineage of the Yellowstone characters.
Well they sure spent a lot of time on Elsa for her to die. Lol
Jack's not even a strong character he's weak.
*Spencer will die of tuberculosis*
I am sure of it. Remember that sailor they were with on that boat who is coughing up blood? That's Tuberculosis. It is highly contagious. In 1923, before the time of advanced medicine and treatments, it was a slow but certain death sentence. Spencer will get the TB and die from it.
@@woodchuckcider1MAYBE that was the thought initially, but killing him off after it's been shown that HE is the most popular character would totally suck!!
@@woodchuckcider1 you didn't have to break my heart so early in the morning
I just want season 5 to continue NOW!
I’m waiting for YELLOW STONE 1203. Where the Duttons are barons in the early Middle Ages. It’s going to be epic!
What Really Barons so I'm a Baroness no way
Finally! I’ve been saying that I think Spencer is John’s grandfather since his brother was killed in the ambush.
Elsa’s comment about only one of her father’s children living long enough to see their own children grow was the first clue. Then I got thinking about a story that modern-day John told in Season 4 when he recalls that his grandfather lost one of his legs. As long as Sheridan stays faithful to his canon, the Dutton that loses his leg (Jack or Spencer) will be revealed to be the Dutton from which the present-day Duttons are descended.
I am leaning towards Spencer, however, as I believe that the writing around Spencer’s character truly foreshadows Costner’s character in Yellowstone.
Jack seems too weak to lead the family.
I do hope that Spencer doesn't lose his leg!
Maybe Spencer & Alex are the grandparents of Costner’s John Dutton (makes sense, but don’t want him to lose a leg!). So would it be possible for Jack & his wife to be the grandparents or parents of Jamie’s birth mother? That would be a twist, but could explain why John Dutton & his wife adopted Jamie. Whatever the case, I do love Spencer & Alex, love Jack & his wife, and of course, love John, Rip, Beth, and Kacey. And everyone in the bunkhouse too. I do hope Yellowstone is returning to greatness!
Can't be Spencer because that would make john (costner) only 4th generation & its been stated several times he's 5th.
@@jaynesemurfin5621 You don't know shit. We know FOR A FACT that kevin Costner's character is fifth generation. that can't happen through Spencer unless his newborn son father's a child before he's 2 years old.
Spencer is a stud, Kaycee is a stud. Kaycee is Spencer’s direct great grand kid. It’s in their warrior dna.
not even close. Do you even watch all of Yellowstone? Kayce is 6th generation. His great grandfather must be 3rd generation. Name all the characters in 1923 that are third generation Dutton. I'll wait..(Cue Final Jeopardy music)...Who is Jack Dutton is the correct question.
Love all these shows.
I noticed that Brandon Sklenar, who portrays Spencer Dutton, strongly resembles James Badge Dale, who portrays his older brother John Dutton Sr. In fact, in his first scene, I had briefly mistaken him for Badge Dale.
@Kevin Costner Huh. Okay. I don't mind at all.
The posts from "Kevin Costner" are scammers. Don't reply.
@@juanitajones6900 man you guys are so easy to believe that Kevin without a check by his name is really him and he joined 3 weeks ago
@Kevin Costner just stop 🛑
Dam good looking man
(1923 S1 E5 SPOILER) Well, Elizabeth is pregnant now so there’s that. But if it is via Spencer, why would that require you to ee-write “the entire family tree”? You just route through Spencer instead of John (well, John + Jack) which reminds me, wasn’t there something somewhere in Yellowstone that mentions Jack (which is somehow short for John) and isn’t present day John actually John III ? Which kinda wraps this up I think?
Without question. Spencer and Kayce are basically the same man
This show is awesome, love watching this every weekend,my opinion is that it's better than Yellowstone ❤️
Wild take lol
Taylor Sheridan has a unique way to twist every turn to keep all of us continue to long for Sunday evening captivating drama of the ❤ Dutton’s every stage of by making every twist and turn about how the the WEST really ran and worked
He’s a creative genius, I love writing but can’t imagine being able to go so far and wide.
if i remember correctly doesnt the house have a lot of exotic animals in it? guessing some of spencers hunts?
I never seen any. If you seen deer it would be because the owners off ranch had them.
I’ve been saying this all over the comment section of these breakdowns since the mention of Spencer’s homecoming…..with no responses lol.
2 articles say ..Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, Michelle Randolph, who stars as Elizabeth "Liz" Strafford, on the Paramount+ series said that she and the rest of the cast don't know how their characters connect to the modern-day Duttons.
The actor said that Taylor Sheridan, who helms the prequel and cocreated the flagship series with John Linson, hasn't divulged the full family tree to its stars just yet.
"We all go back and forth on what we think is going to happen, but Taylor likes to keep us on our toes," she said. "So we're just as confused as everyone else."
-----------......“It was funny, because when we all got to Cowboy Camp, the cast, we were all debating it,” Schlaepfer tells us. “We were like, ‘Who is it? I don’t know.’ And we would pester Taylor [Sheridan] all the time being like, ‘Taylor, it’s gotta be this, right? Because this and this and this.’ And he’d be like, ‘I don’t know. Honestly, guys, I don’t know.’ And we were like, ‘Of course, you know! You have a family tree somewhere written out.’ But I do think the show is building towards that.”
Alexandra is so much like Beth. She has to be the one.
LOL. You people are so amazingly stupid. You can't even see facts when TS TELLS you.
Anyone know when the next episodes
Of both are????😊
1923 just released the newest episode. I think Yellowstone will be back by summer.
On Yellowstone s05e01, Jamie announces Costner as a 5th generation Montana Dutton, meaning Tim McGraw is Costner's great-great-grandfather, if we assume the show's details are consistent.
Therefore, Jack and Elizabeth have to be the parents of Dabney Coleman, and Costner's grandparents.
The timeline doesn't work for things to run through Spencer.
Exactly Jack’s name is actually John Dutton the second so obviously they are the parents of John Dutton the third
@@codya4862 No. Jack's name is, uh, Jack. Not John. That was his Dad.
Perhaps Jack and Elizabeth end up raising Spencer and Alex's son as their own. Therefore Costners John would be 4th and 5th Generation kinda.
@@trappervz9478 stupid
didn't mention spencers whiskey decanter beth calls it john's great grandfathers.
I have always thought that Spencer is John' grandfather. I could be wrong but I hope not.
Jack is Costner's grandfather. Costner's father (Dabney Coleman) was 90 when he died. (Per S2 E10 "Sins of the Father") In order to NOT appear in Yellowstone as a regular character, he has to die before 2018. BUT, if he dies before 2013, he would be seen as a character in 2013 already. So he MUST be born between 1923 and 1928. He is a 4th generation Dutton. There is only 1 3rd generation Dutton--> Jack. And now, Elizabeth is pregnant. She is carrying Dabney Coleman in her womb.
Best show yet
@@Ignats75 I believe you are wrong. Taylor could write Spencer in some way has a son before war.
Would they just get with the season 2 release! Sick of waiting for all these episodes and Yellowstone do something. We have been waiting long enough. Get it together. 🥰🙋♀️😘❤️
I AGREE, but with the delay from the 2 strikes it will be well into next year before we see season 2.
Beth has Spencer’s stereotype and fearless look
I think Elizabeths gun shot wound is going to cause her to not be able to have children, with Jack. Spencer & Alexandra will be the ones to carry on the Dutton family legacy.
Great speculation! Very good possibility! I love reading what everyone else thinks! 😊
oooops. Guess not.
Wrong!
She’s pregnant.
Elsa says in the 1st episode Spencer sees his children grow into the great depression
This is exactly what I always wanted anyways. Spencer is such a stereotypical Dutton
Spencer doesn’t have any children lol
Well I think the last episode might have answered this
Alex is already pregnant. And in a previous episode John was about to smash a crystal vase when Beth stop him saying it was a present from some Lord from England. So it is a tool up as to who is John’s ancestor.
Lol at Tim McGraw saying two different things, and Taylor Sheridan also saying a third thing (great great great grandfather) in an interview.
Sheridan corrected the 3X great. He admitted he was confused and that it should've been 2X.
@@Ignats75 Hi, thanks. Where did he say this?
If you happen to have a link, kindly post it here but put some spaces before the ".com" part otherwise it will get blocked by UA-cam.
@@BlueGorillaInTheMist It was in a written article. You'll have to look for it. I don't care enough anymore. All this stupid ignoring of generations is exhausting.
first episode of season 5, Jamie introduces John to the victory crowd, celebrating John winning the election, as a 5th generation rancher. if John were Spencer's grandson, it would make him 4th generation (James, Spencer, Johns dad, John)
Exactly. That’s not right. Jack would be third generation because he is the son of John Dutton sr, who along with Spencer are in the second generation. Jack, third generation, would be the father of John Jr, who is in the fourth generation. And then we go from there to having John III (5th generation), Kayce (6th generation) and then finally Tate (7th generation).
You are both correct (according to this logic)
5th generation RANCHER.
Not 5th Generation direct ancestor. He could be the fifth generation to ranch as his father would be the fourth and Jack if he were either his Uncle or Cousin would be the third.
Could be, but with the alternate theory Jack would still be the third generation to ranch the land.If Spencer were his grandfather It doesnt change the generations only the direct bloodline.
@@kjiggidy5719 Yeah, but we can also assume that Spencer's kid is John III's grandfather. Like if Spencer had a kid born in 1924 and let's say the kid had a son in 1944/45 it could explain it too.
I hope so
Did Spencer use his "lucky rope" to save Alex and his life from Tugboat disaster? Lasso'd, the Ghost ship my guess.
Didn’t it say that only one son would carry on the family name in an offspring?
Don't reply to fake Kevin Costner posts. They are from scammers
My father had three children.
Only one would live to see
their own children grown.
Only one would carry
the fate of this family
through the depression
and every other hell the
20th century hurled at them.
@@shareis764 Not to nitpick with dead Elsa, but John did live to see Jack grown. Jack was not a child when John was killed. And John cannot possibly be the one to lead them through the depression, that has to be Spencer. So her narration is already flawed.
@@LB-gz3ke Unless she is talking about 2 children 1 seen child grow and 1 will take them through fate of this family
through the depression
and every other hell the
20th century hurled at them. BUT Spencer if Spencer is the only one alive and do not know how many kids he will have so it may be he sees his children grow too. So I dont see it as flawed at all.
@@shareis764 Yes, it is possible she is talking about two children and Spencer has a child/children then he dies after the Depression and they are still young. I mean, it takes away from the poetry of the statement. Also, leading the family through the depression and Other hell, implies that he leads them for a long time (like Jacob). And the fact that she says children, rather than child, leans toward the "One" being someone with more than one child.
I find 1923 a little draggy compared to 1883 which was really exciting , edge of your seat every episode
Although fun, Jack hasn’t exactly been branded the most level headed adult in the room. I think Jack will end up being killed or Elizabeth will be unable to get pregnant due to the gun shot wound.
Spencer and Alex will have a son and honor his brother and dad with the name John.
That violates the generations thing TS has painstakingly set up. He's not going to throw it in the trash.
100%. You sir are correct.
You sir…are a dotard
Hope so , Spencer is the toughest mother f'er out there, and my favorite character.
@@mankind5709 I know someone tougher than him: Alex.
Two new dutton's!!! Cooooool!
In the episode, “ keep the wolves close” ( think it was called that), John tells Beth that his great grandfather built the house.…. The would not be Spencer as his great grandfather since,1: don’t think Spencer would build that big of a house then leave the country and 2: in 1923 Spencer would not be old enough to be Johns great grandfather.
No telling yet because last we saw was only the capsized tug and no Spenser or Alex in sight.
Since this was created 3 weeks ago, there's been a wrench throw in to both of these theories in this last episode, Elizabeth had a miscarriage and Spencer was just separated from his wife due to no fault of theirs.
yes, but Alex was feeling ill on the ship. Spencer said it was motion sickness, but it could be pregnancy as well?
@@dskize1 That is a plausible theory.
@@Babyboomer_59 James Dutton is the great-great grandfather of John Dutton so it has to be Jack
@@shivangparikh2933 no he’s not! He’s the 3 great GF!
Taylor S literally said it!
@@Cat.guy54 Tim McGraw said that he is great-great-grandfather
Also can’t help but point out that Spencer’s mustache makes him a dead ringer for Kayce.
i forget which season/episode of Yellowstone it was when Kevin (John Dutton) says his "great grandfather's dream was for all of his kids to live and work on the ranch"....I am putting my money on Spencer as Kevin's grandfather, Spencer is Dabney's father, making James (Tim McGraw) the great grandfather to Kevin (John Dutton), Kevin is the forth generation, making Trace the Sixth GENERATION but that does not line up with Spotted Eagle's prophesy - speaking with James in 1883, he says the seventh generation will take back the land from the Dutton's. This whole time, I was thinking because Tate is half Native American, he would possibly be a descendent to Spotted Eagle through Monica and the Rainwater lineage. Taylor Sheridan mentions James (Tim McGraw) as the Great Great Grandfather, but I think that was intentional on his part, to throw people like us who notice, disect and/or pick a part "Easter Eggs," foreshadowing details, etc...
If Jack (1923) is kevin costener's grandfather and Dabney's father, that makes James (Tim McGraw) the great great grandfather to kevin, also making Kevin the FIFTH GENERATION and then Tate the SEVENTH generation and that works out, except for the line I first mentioned at the beginning of this post - maybe all the scripted lines of "fifth generation rancher" and "great grandfather..." this, "great grandfather..." that are INTENTIONALLY MEANT TO THWART ANYONE WHO IS PAYING ATTENTION AND TO INCREASE THE NEED TO KNOW, KEEPING US ALL HOOKED, ADRENALINE PUMPING AND SURPRISED BY WHAT WE FIND TO BE THE TRUTH IN THE END?!??! if so, very clever marketing tactics, I must applaud Taylor and the crew for leading all of us like the 21st century sheep we are!!! 🤔
You don't understand Taylor Sheridan if you think he's THAT disingenuous in his writing. Go back and watch early YS or 1883. He tells you exactly what is going to happen. He doesn't lie. He doesn't mislead like you propose. There's plenty of room within his storyline for lots of surprises without lying to his audience. That's a tool of a shitty writer like George R R Martin, not a great writer like TS. If he tells you JD3 is FIFTH generation, that's what he meant. AND HE'S TOLD US THAT NUMEROUS TIMES ON YS.
@@Ignats75 well, there has been a few recorded interviews with Taylor that all have opposing information, I am just curious - what do you think? in terms of if JD3 IS the fifth generation, MAKING Tim McGraw the Great Great grndfthr, is it safe to assume you believe JACK AND LIZ are the grandparents to JD3 ??
@@meganconnell-cox6425 Its the only option to hold all the narratives that TS has written.
Spencer got tb from the guy on the tugboat
I have always suspected that Jamie was a Dutton somehow, that his mother was a Dutton, maybe John's favorite cousin.
Spencer ❤️🔥
Jack and Elizabeth
its impossible because Koster is John the 3 if Spencer was the great grandfather Costner would only be John the 2nd
I really hope that Spencer is an ancestor of RIp. Rip is the strongest male character in Yellowstone. Also Rip likes to say to Beth: "I dont understand what that means". Spencer spoke the same words to Alexandra.
I know the answer. John Dutton played by Costner told Beth in season 4 that his great grandfather build his house. If Spencer was John’s father’s father that would make James his great grandfather. But James died before that house was build which make John, son of James, John’s (Costner) great grandfather.
I watched the 1st episode the other day when John's son gets shot by Monica's brother you see John at the funeral ceremony and he looks at the headstones with chance patience and the name Ned why is it brought up now check it out
Ned is often a nickname for Edward.
Casey named his second son John which would have been John the 4th
I have to believe that Spencer is John’s Gramps! It wouldn’t really make sense to give Spenser such a big storyline if he’s not a bit part of the future!
Maybe Alex and Spencer children will move to England, because of the tragedy of being a Dutton in Montana
Yeah they will
Can I Just Go To The Episode 8?
I absolutely, cannot wait, until spencer gets his hands on those Irish pigs. He’s been set up as the biggest bad ass ever, especially with Helen mirrens line, wait until you meet my other nephew.
What’s weird is Elsa said at the very beginning of 1923 that only one of her siblings had any children and we already know her brother John had Jack so that would rule out Spencer having a kid thus it must be Jack and Elizabeth. Otherwise Elsa is a liar 🤥 😂
👍🏻
I’m convinced Jamie is a biological Dutton. John (Costner) has an affinity for taking in wayward young males but he raises them in the bunkhouse and makes them into brand wearing cowboys. Why would Jamie have received special treatment and love like a true son if not for his bloodline? I think it’s a bait and switch and Jamie comes from Jack’s line. There’s to much of Spencer in Kayce for him not to be his direct descendant.
I'm convinced you are clueless.
We've seen his birth certificate. He's not a Dutton no matter how much you need to be right.
@@Ignats75 His birth certificate lists his mother’s married name only as Phyllis Mary Randall.
@@Ignats75 Jamie’s name on his birth certificate is James Michael Randall. Look close enough over the seasons of Yellowstone and you’ll notice a Dutton gravestone with the name Michael Dutton. Common name yes but also a possible shuttle easter egg. Just face it bro, you’re about to be wrong again.
@@jameslong1480 I haven't been wrong yet, because I don't fantasize.
Taylor Sheridan is a genius writer, none any greater than he. Kevin Costner is a very good actor but he CAN be replaced however Sheridan is THE star that cannot be replaced.
Did anyone read something about Alex being ill?
I don't know how anyone thinks anything besides that.
I have a diferrent theory.
I think that both of them, Jack and Spencer, are grandfathers to john 😅. I will explain.
We saw in the cemitery the name PATIENCE DUTTON (born in 1931)... the perfect time to me the mother of costner's john dutton.
Being PATIENCE a british name, and Alex is British... it was my thinking for her to be Spencer's and Alex's daughter and probably second child...
So in my theory, Jack is the father of John Sr and Spencer is the father of Patince both born in the 30's.
John Sr maries Patiente... his cousin once removed.
So Jack is the grandfather from the dad's side and Spencer is the Grandfather from the mother's side.
In that case John Jr continues to be a 5th generation rancher from his dad side:
1th generation: James
2th: John I born 1877
3th: Jack born around 1900
4th: John Sr born around 1930
5th: John Jr (Costner) born around 1955
Let me know what you think 😊
It’s not in the name. It’s the mustache.
Or how about both can be true? Hear me out-biologically it turns out to be that he’s jack’s child, but is raised by Spencer after Jack and wife perish? Tragedy runs common in this family…
A theory I never thought of and yet makes sense. Interesting 🧐
@Kevin Costner you better give us one more year buddy. If you build it he will come. Come on bro. You ain't the one that killed our friend. Loll. Love your work John j Dunbar Dutton. Please find time for a season 6 swan song
@@rickjohnson6559 your a idi** dude .. that's not the really Kevin lol if it was real it would have a check mark next to it
@@rickjohnson6559 , yup...I am gonna be some kinda pi$$ed if there is not another season...although this very bizarre situation where we left off with Rip and half the ranch hands went off for a year to babysit the cattle...like how in the heck does all that time get accounted for? I guess there huge gap between the first part of this season and the last half of the season maybe they are going to be like "ok, well it's been 9 mos since Rip and the gang went off to greener pastures (literally) . Don't know but that whole twist was very odd to me.
Hmmm 🤔 you might be onto something there
Spencer,s father is James
I think it will be Spencer and Alex and he will name his son after his brother. They do have the fire and survival extincts.
Hmm so after this past sunday 2/5 episode……..
If Matthew Mcconaughey is going to star in Yellowstone. I think he's going to be the grandson of Spencer Dutton.
I hope they don’t use Matthew, him and his acting just don’t fit.
Please Go To The Last Episode 8
Some take Elsa's narration about only one son surviving and carrying the family name on as, John's son Jack being already grown and that he would have the father of John Dutton III. I don't want this to be true, I don't like the idea of Jack and LIz being the grandparents they aren't hard enough to have raised the next generation.
makes sense. Eventually Alex will get to Montana and then tap into her family fortune to save the ranch and then the ranch will go to Spener's bloodline.
With the way all scripts have been written, I'm GUESSING that Spenser's and John Dutton's personalities are almost identical. Men of few words, tough as nails and as brave as they come. If personality traits from the parents get passed down to the children, then Jamie can't be related in any way. He's that round peg that can't fit in a round hole. There's nothing about his character that shows he's inherited any of the Dutton's character.
Spencer is more like Kayce than JD3. PTSD and a killer.
Jacob Dutton shares the same personality trait and he's an uncle, so they don't have to be direct lines to have the same personality traits. Their personalities are defined by their environment and in their environment, they are being forced to fight to keep what they have. In 1923, you have sheep herders wanting to encroach on all the cattle land and sheep by their nature destroy the land by eating everything and leaving nothing to grow back. Cows aren't like that. Then they are also having to deal with someone else that wants all the land to mine. So it's a battle. The Duttons were there first. The factor that made James Dutton a force to be reckoned with is that he was a Civil War Veteran. What makes Spencer Dutton a force to be reckoned with is that he's a WWI Veteran. Those aren't personality traits that were passed down, they were forged through combat. That's what makes them formidable. Jacob Dutton was also probably a Civil War Veteran and why he's been a formidable force to be reckoned with.
I feel it will be Spencer and Alex. It does make more sense for it to be Jack and Elizabeth but since when does TS write in such a way that is predictable?
He's always logical.
Yeah if he were logical he would be telling Jack’s story. That would make the most sense. He’s not though he’s telling Spencer’s
I was looking at the family tree earlier. It says John Dutton II (Dabney Coleman) was born in 1910. Not just one of them. Several of them. Idk who created them if it is factual to the story or hell maybe my 50some yr old eyes are failing me but that would mean he was already alive in 1923 but where, with who?
@@mjay3734 When they showed KEvin Costner in that scene, I knew that 1910 couldn't be right. If that scene was happening in 1999-2000, they would've used Josh for JD III. They used Josh for other scenes that happened contemporaneously to that timeframe. (i.e. S 5 when Rip kills Rowdy.) If the scene with Dabney was around 2015, that would make sense and fits everything. That's why Dabney being born in 1925 fits perfectly too. That's not a total fact, but it fits in with everything else that IS.
@@Ignats75 well and there’s also the question of where is he in this series? He would be along about 13 yrs old. Also who would his parents be since none of these people seem to hv a thirteen yr old halfway through the season.
I'd laugh if Jamie was somehow a Dutton.
Coleman was the father 😮 man liked his movies. Didn’t recognize him at all. The movie where he played the cop who thought he was gonna die 😂😂😂😂or the one where he was kidnapped.
If Taylor wants to make Spencer the generation line he will find a way.
Yes. He is going to name his son after his older brother that was killed to carry on the name.
You seem to be completely ignoring the fact of 7 generations on the Yellowstone, James to Tate. 7 generations has been mentioned many times, it isn't a mistake.
Yeah but it is open to interpretation. Which like it or not Taylor Sheridan is going to have to do now that he doing these prequels
@@laurendiehl2216 NO ITS NOT. NOT IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES OF LOGIC AND LANGUAGE.
You again. Yes it is
@@laurendiehl2216 OK. You're one of these people that think you have your own reality instead of one shared reality. That'si literally insane.
I have replied to you several times with my very legitimate theory. You refuse to look at it objectively and instead just insult me and tell me that I'm wrong despite you having no solid unimpeacable proof to prove your point. So you tell me who's living in their own reality? The person open to multiple interpretation or the troglodytes who stick his head in the sand? You still haven’t given me any legitimate rebuttal to any of my points to your arguments. Judy gaslight, gatekeep and name call.
You can’t compare Spencer and Jack. Jack is Spencer’s nephew. They’re two different generations.
So how can Spencer, a 2nd gen, give birth to a 4th gen in 2-3 years?? It’s impossible! 🤦🏼♀️
Easily
My Father is a third generation as is my Uncle. However I am a fifth generation while my cousins are 4th generation because our age differences are so great. You can age out of a generation.
In this case
1st gen: Jacob & James
2nd Generation: John & Spencer
Now here’s where it gets tricky because the bloodline splits into two branches
3rd: Jack
4th Generation: Jack/Spencer’s Kids.
5th Gen: John Dutton III
6th: Kayce Beth Lee Jamie
7th: JamieJr Carter Tate
They are all members of the Dutton family they all share blood. However the time gap between births was so great that if Spencer has children they will be a different generation of the family. So they are third generation direct bloodline to the “Originator” James through His son Spencer they are technically the fourth generation of the family. Jack is a generation unto himself.
Spencer and Alex might adopt Jack's as-yet-unborn-but-soon-to-be-orphaned son.
THANK YOU!! It’s so stupid and if that were to happen it’s because Taylor screws up his writing just so he can make Tate have his own spin-off called freaking…. “2036” or something; where he has children of his own and that would make them the seventh generation. That’s stupid to make Spencer the grandfather of John Dutton III. And of course some stupid ass people are going to try and explain why it could be possible for someone from a 2nd generation to give birth to a fourth generation, that would be on some incest shit and that’s the not the route Taylor is going for with the Dutton family. This isn’t game of thrones/house of the dragon.
And also, I believe Jack IS the grandfather. In Yellowstone season 4, episode 3 when Jimmy returns to the ranch after being in the hospital, John mentions to him during their conversation that his grandfather lost his leg, said the worst pain he ever felt was in his toes after it was gone. Phantom pain was what they called it. The only REAL way we will have our confirmation is if either Jack or Spencer lose their leg. The hint of either of them being John’s grandfather had already been placed. For Spencer, he has the whisky glass or whatever. For Jack, he was foreshadowed of losing his leg when in episode 2 of 1923, he was attacked by the sheep herders; they suit and killed his horse and his leg was stuck under his dead horse and couldn’t get up or reach for his gun. That’s 💯 a foreshadow and Taylor is good when it comes tk foreshadowing. I’m sticking to that believe of Jack being the father of John Jr. Plus, he makes the third generation.
James Dutton - 1st generation.
John Dutton sr - 2nd generation.
Jack Dutton - 3rd generation.
John Dutton Jr - 4th generation.
John Dutton III - 5th generation.
Kayce Dutton - 6th generation.
Tate Dutton - 7th generation.
That’s all seven generations right there. Throughout all five season of Yellowstone, they have mentioned multiple times that SEVEN generations have already been established. It wouldn’t make sense for someone in the second generation to have or give birth to a child in a fourth generation, unless they started to do some incest stuff, which is highly unlikely and stupid of think about, let alone the thought of Spencer (a Dutton in the second generation of the family) to have a son born as a Dutton in the fourth generation. That’s not logical.
1923 is better so far than the other 2
I'm loving 1923 also.
A lot of Johns back in the day were also nicknamed Jack. Jake(Jacob) is also a form of John. I think it's Jack and Elizabeth who are the descendants rather than Spencer and Alex.
I forsee Spencer and/or Alex dying from tb from the sputum spewing captain of the ship...coughing using bloody hands to open beans....PUKE...hope not...they are the best couple yet w no fbombs or mean Beth...YS is tedious as hell
Also, the character who played Jack was asked in an interview if he was John Dutton’s grandpa he said he didn’t know yet since Taylor has told him this. Also, Elsa said her narration her father had three children and only one got to live to see if their children grow children not child is John Sr only had one kid. He would get them through the depression never other hell, the 20 century hurtled at them. I don’t think people listen to everything
Stop calling him John “Sr”. He’s not John Sr. He’s John
@@johnstevenson5914 it is John Sr the son of James dutton. So no
@@johnstevenson5914 That is literally what his character is called in the show, on IMdb, IN all the cast interviews. on the wiki for the show, The character's name is John Dutton Sr. Take it up with Taylor Sheridan
People are saying that John Dutton was the fifth generation. I’m not going back to rewatch, but I thought I heard him say they have been fighting for that land for 5 generations. He was saying that to his family who are already grown.
s5e1 - Jamie introduces him at his inauguration as FIFTH generation Montanan.
Me and my work best friend think Spencer is John Dutton grandfather
You and your WBF re both wrong.
Spenser Carries the fate of the next Dutton generation in the same way that Jake and Cara do. Jack and Elizabeth birth Gen 4
If Spencer is the line that leads to John Dutton, Casey etc then that makes Tate the 6th generation not the 7th generation in the Indians prophecy, not that it matters too much, I assume Tate may marry a Native girl thus the ranch land in that regard returns to their people.
Dead give away from the first episode of 1923. Listen to Elsa she said only one of her brothers will live long enough to see his children. Children meaning more than one.
John had 2 children. We find that out in the letters. Why do you think TS inserted that little tidbit in there? Because that's a connection to Elsa's narration.
Wait, why did I think that Elsa only had her baby brother Jack?(or was it john?) Where is the 2nd brother?
@@elli481 John (now dead in the ambush) was the brother during the journey. Spencer was born after they set up the ranch in Montana after Elsa died. We see him in 2 flashbacks in Yellowstone.
@@Ignats75 Spencer isn't Elsa's brother though? The little boy in 1883 was Elsa's brother but who was her other brother. I'm not understanding. Perhaps I need to go back and watch 1883 again .
@@elli481 Yes. But he was born after she died.
Spencer
1923 = over abundance of sanctimonious righteousness and the sugary coated love story of Spencer and the girl is 🤮 … it was a good idea not to try the “Rose & Jack” on the bridge of the ship, I could tell you wanted to 🤣🤣🤣
I think Elsa narration give it away
Only one would see their children grow. Jack is only child
Only would carry the fate of this family.
WOW!!!!! I didn't know Spencer carry Elsa knife. He never knew Elsa. Will be nice to know how he got that knife
GEE, how do you think? Gift? I'm sure his older brother had it when Elsa died. I guess it got gifted to him when he went off to war.
@@Ignats75 ok Taylor Sheridan 🤣
@@Ignats75 you are ignorant to everyone. Mr think you know it all. Hate to tell you but your not Taylor Sheridan.
So if it is Alexandria and Spencer then woudlnt that mean the duttons r british
So Jack gets Elizabeth pregnant. He dies and then Alex dies. Spencer raises Jack's as his own with Elizabeth and Spencer and Elizabeth go on to have more children.
1) We do know the name of Jamie's mom, it's Phyllis Mary Randall.
2) If they switch it up and make Spencer and Alex the parents of Dabney Coleman's John it also ruins the *7th generation ranch* and *5th generation rancher* storyline they've been pushing since season 3.
Since season 1 they’ve pushed the 7th gen storyline. John said at the Livestock Stockman’s dinner in episode 7, “Since 1886, every Dutton who died is buried 300 yards from my back porch. From my great-great-grandfather, to my wife, and my oldest son.”
Alot changed since season 1. There is still very much a way to keep it to seven generations of Ranchers.
He also calls James Dutton his Great-Grandfather twice. The most recently in season 5
@@laurendiehl2216 Not factually. Ignoring reality is the sign of insanity. Apparently, your ego is so fragile, you can't handle the reality of being totally wrong.
Spencer may be a big red herring . John’s grandfather got his foot shot off . That sounds more like Jack being he is so hot headed .
I did not know this, was that in a Yellowstone episode?
@@nickelpeed yes it was in a Yellowstone episode
@@darrenharriott2120 I did not see that. I'll have to find it. You're right, that sounds more like Jake than Spencer. A lot of things said, do point to Jake more than Spencer.
@@darrenharriott2120 What season? Just curious.
@@nickelpeed I will have to look it up . Sorry
Someone with knowledge on the topic please bring your arguments to me because I genuinely believe the conclusion won't be one where everyone can walk away safely. I believe Spencer and Alex are John's parents but I also believe Alex won't be able to carry that baby on their land due to the war brought to their door step. I think season 1 will end with a cliff hanger and Season 2 will clarify why it's not distinct on who John's parents are throughout the series of Yellowstone. Spencer will go beyond killing and by the end of it he will either die or need to go far away.
My theory is that the ranch is somehow confiscated briefly by the banks, but Alex somehow gets it back for them ( perhaps through banker father?). Spencer and Alex son is the next Dutton, but Jacks and Elizabeth have a daughter that is the grandmother of Jamie Dutton. That is why Jamie's biological dad speaks how the Duttons stole the ranch. Jack was supposed to inherit the farm, but lost it to the banks and Spencer got it back. Jack perhaps dies or goes to jail or something like that.
JD3 (costner) is 5th generation. THAT is a Taylor Sheridan FACT. Therefore, JD2 (Dabney Coleman) is 4th generation. He died in a flashback in s2e10 at 90 years old. That is another TS FACT. If he died before 2013, we would've seen his character as a child/baby in 1923. If he died later than 2018, we would've seen him on Yellowstone s1. So he is born between 1923 and 1928. There is only one 3rd generation Dutton---> Jack. Jack is JD3's grandfather. And Elizabeth is carrying JD2 in her womb right now. There is no other alternative that holds the JD3 is 5th generation narrative that TS has spend multiple seasons and scenes setting up. He's not abandoning that.
@@SorbusAucubaria I hope you're right because I want it to be Spencer. But as Les Vail points out (in a later post), whoever loses his leg is going to be modern-day John Dutton's grandfather. To me, Jack doesn't exhibit the hard-nosed qualities the Duttons needed to survive two world wars and the Great Depression. He seems to be the great-grandfather of weasel Jamie Dutton.
@@Ignats75 all facts, and unless there's a couple teen pregnancies coming the generations are too compressed for their Spencer line to be true
@@rvalens2 this post is total nonsense.
*Spencer will die of tuberculosis*
Remember that sailor who is coughing up blood. That's Tuberculosis. It is highly contagious. In 1923, before the time of advanced medicine and treatments, it was a death sentence. Spencer will get the TB and die from it.
Ooh that would be great, spencer is the most interesting of all the duttons
When I google it it says jack is johns grqndpa
NICE. Anything can happen, but is like real life. Only GOD or nature knows or not, what will happen. 🤠
Spencer because when he gets provoked , he stays calm like John. Their characters are similar.