Sorry I just wanted to interject on something you said about colored being a term used for non white people in South Africa. It is confusing so as a colored person myself and a South African I will try my best to explain why Tyla will not and technically should not divest her “coloredness” In South Africa, there were the indigenous people, the Khoi and there were black people of different tribes, like Zulus , Xhosas etc. and those tribes still exist in South Africa so they are classified as the black tribes in South Africa. The colored race is identified that way because they are actually multi racial. Some are mixed with Indian, Zulu,Dutch,Khoi,Xhosa all in one family line. So that’s why it is hard to just label yourself as either white or black because you’re not just white or black it’s ,a mixed bag. So we were given the term colored and that is the box we check even when we fill out official forms and hospital charts etc. In South Africa, people that are of mixed decent don’t identify as black like in America, we identify as colored because that is the official term and we don’t take any offense by the term regardless of how we got it. But because of the history the term has in America I think she should have gone to explain in that interview once more that she means no malice by it, she is just representing where she is from. Coz she has done it many times before when water went viral I believe.
Thank you for this explanation. I knew there had to be some depth and nuance to this. I’m Afro-American I admit I get in my feelings when an artist is performing what we see as black art, but don’t consider themselves black. But my feelings come from what we go through in America. Peace.
Thank u... I always tell ppl that Africans aren't black. MOST DO NOT identify as black... Black really is an American thing as far as identity goes, and as I was told as a child... "We're all mixed in America. Ain't nobody actually black and our features say so."
Tyla is generational multiracial. Coloured in South Africa doesn't mean black. Coloured is an entirely separate group from black. Yes, she may look Indianish, but she is not Indian. Both her parents are mixed, and I think even her grandparents. Hence why I said multigenerational mixed. It's similar to the Creole people in Louisiana and America. If you look at her parents and siblings, you can see that they all don't look exactly alike. Americans spend too much time classifying people into a box rather than allowing them to be. Tyla is not black. She is mixed. A lot of countries do not consider mixed and bi-racial as black, even if they identify as black. Tyla has been travelling around the world doing interviews, and her identity has never been an issue until she is in the USA.
The rest of the world might "not consider mixed and bi-racial as black", but when you go to the "rest of the world", you find out that you're black! You can even ask some of these "passport bros"... Colored is considered a race in South Africa (mixed race). Just like Caucasian & Black (and every other nationality). In America, the 1 drop rule has always been in play. You are Black (N****O) if your father is Black! ✌🏽
Failed her where ? so when Americans come to South Africa must have media training ? If I view a mulatto creole call them coloreds and force them to identify as colored ? South Africa has different ethnic groups, with different cultures and traditions.
We don't care what she calls herself. We care that she cosplay foundational black americans and fba culture for money, power, and respect! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
@@willowwale2000We don't care what she calls herself. We care that she cosplay foundational black americans and fba culture for money, power, and respect! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
In South Africa we are not race obsessed like America is! She’s coloured to us and we respect the coloured race here. And why does everything that’s not a hundred percent white, Asian , Mexican or whatever other race Black??? We here in South Africa if you’re mixed if you’re dad is white and your mom is black you’re not black you’re coloured or mix!! Why should mixed people be forced to acknowledge one race. Tyla is South African but doesn’t have a black persons experience. Please Stop America
In africa, y'all are fba obsessed! Which is why "colourds" like tyla copies and cosplays foundational black americans to get money power and respect! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
No, black people spend their dollars in Korean, Indian and especially White owned stores so please get a life. Many blacks in the US wouldn’t be classified as black in many black African countries
She's a full breed coloured why do you feel to debate about it. I'm a proud colourd ..get over it she won't change just to make you happy,we from .SA. Plz do go through our history..
She is in the US trying to appeal to Black Americans. Black American culture is built on Black resistance to colonial structures that oppress Black people. "Coloured" in South Africa is a classification based in a colonial caste system that oppressed/oppresses Black people...in South Africa. There's no way for her to exist in the US and identify with such a classification without being called on it. Black Americans don't rock with or abide colonial imperialism. Have people not been watching the history of Black Americans? If she says she's mixed that's fine but with the history of the caste "coloured", it's never going to be received well by Black Americans. She's going to have to head back to South Africa or go somewhere else if she wants support while identifying with an imperial caste system.
People forgot about that apparently. Coloured really means a step above black. I remember about the „black“ part of the beach not having nets to keep the sharks off the beach and other wild stuff like that.
@@tulipanegradesign and this is why the "coloured" thing isn't going to play well with Black Americans. That is counter every thing Black American culture is built on
The obsession with this poor girl is getting tedious. She didn't make herself coloured so I don't get why people are hating on her for something that is entirety out of her control
The obsession with tethers copying and cosplaying foundational black american culture to get money, power, and respect is even more tedious! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
I agree with gatekeeping our power in the entertainment field. Show some respect to the country you are trying to sell your music. In the US, we do not use the term " colored", period. Her team needed to brief her about our culture and customs when you are in the US. We don't need her, she needs the US Black culture to reach that worldwide superstar status and we have every right to call out Anti Blackness when it comes knocking at your door asking to come in.
Okay, I see your POV, and I agree. They definitely should have briefed her. Especially because the world excepts Americans/ black Americans to respect other parts of the world
She's not American.... She's South African. In South Africa she's known as Colored Not Black..... That's why she say that she's Colored...... It's Like how some Black Americans Prefer to be called Black... And Don't want to be called African Americans, because they were Born & raised in America and aren't from Africa. (Our Ancestors are)
We know she is not Black American. So tell her to stop cosplaying foundational Black american culture to get money, power, and respect! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
She's South African not American. There's a difference between SA and USA. Her context is South African not American. It's not even about when apartheid ended. Learn people from their context not yours. I think coloureds in SA don't see themselves as less than as a people. People must get out of their context. If black Americans want her to call herself black so they can feel better THAT is messed up and on the wrong side of disrespectful. Learn who we are without putting Americans standards on us.
She's in the US trying to appeal to Black Americans. Coloured is classification created as part of a racial caste system that oppressed Black people...in south Africa. Black Americans do not rock with colonial systems that oppress Black people. That's never going to fly here. If she wants to live in her context, she's going to have to take that colonial/imperial caste system stuff back to South Africa.
I think the point is not that “colored” is considered “better than” “black”. So that label makes her and her people in a position of preference over “black” people in the country. Its like creole/mulotto being treated better that blacks in the American Gulf area. I think Americans should be better educated- but South Africans need to educate themselves as well and they need to hold themselves and their countrymen accountable for their history of colonialism and systematic oppression that has lasted WAY longer into recent times than more other countries with similar histories.
She never said she didn't wanna be black. Her culture is different from the u.s. Trying to force american culture on her is wrong..Some black americans go to Africa & not called black. Different experience & culture..
Not every answer should be in compliance with american ideologies or ideas.... There is a world out there that operates outside the realms of american thinking...
Charlamagne should've pressed the issue more. Tyla doesn't come off as intelligent in her interviews. If you are going to parade around as "colered" in a country that sees that as a racial slur, you better have a good explanation. He asked a very valud question.
What different do it make if she black white purple or what color she is a beautiful young lady i never seen color all i see is humans and all god childrens why worry if she black are not she still human remember god see no color
We must not undermine the intelligence of Black American people by generalizing on this race issue, we know they are clever and smart. Tyla avoided that question because she answered it before in radio interviews and comments. By repeating one answer so many times, it's like you are undermining the intelligent of someone, you only do it to someone who is dumb. Tyla explained herself already in previous interviews, followed by that statement she wrote to the media after that unfortunate BreakFast interview. Why must she continue repeating?
Welcome to America Tyla America is a Black and White country you came to America for black people here to promote you and back you.Black American culture is the worlds culture an in order to get recognized in our culture you must conform to black American ways and manners.
I mean calling yourself black is weird. When you look up all the etymological uses and meanings from the past, says nothing about a human being. We need to come up with a different name and stop calling ourselves crayons or dead in the eyes of the law. Many of “black” folks roots were here before Columbus. Many of us recognize ourselves as indigenous American Indians. All of his is raising dialogue to change the spells that exist in the English language
I don't know what you guys are learning at school,but you guys are not indians,and Indian is a offensive word btw. The only reason why you guys exist in the Americas,it's because of europeans and slavery. You guys came from Africa.
Oh but we do own the world stage! The world mimics us! Which is why you tethers stay fleeing to america where the fba's are to copy and cosplay us. #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
She mentioned that she has Mauritian/Indian in her lineage but it is definitely not 80%. Fr Tyla’s accent you can tell she is colored with roots in Durban. Which is where majority of Zulus and Indians are. So she’s most likely Zulu and Indian .
Welcome to America Tyla America is a Black and White country you came to America for black people here to promote you and back you.Black American culture is the worlds culture an in order to get recognized in our culture you must conform to black American ways and manners.
Sorry I just wanted to interject on something you said about colored being a term used for non white people in South Africa.
It is confusing so as a colored person myself and a South African I will try my best to explain why Tyla will not and technically should not divest her “coloredness”
In South Africa, there were the indigenous people, the Khoi and there were black people of different tribes, like Zulus , Xhosas etc. and those tribes still exist in South Africa so they are classified as the black tribes in South Africa.
The colored race is identified that way because they are actually multi racial. Some are mixed with Indian, Zulu,Dutch,Khoi,Xhosa all in one family line. So that’s why it is hard to just label yourself as either white or black because you’re not just white or black it’s ,a mixed bag.
So we were given the term colored and that is the box we check even when we fill out official forms and hospital charts etc.
In South Africa, people that are of mixed decent don’t identify as black like in America, we identify as colored because that is the official term and we don’t take any offense by the term regardless of how we got it.
But because of the history the term has in America I think she should have gone to explain in that interview once more that she means no malice by it, she is just representing where she is from. Coz she has done it many times before when water went viral I believe.
Wow I did not know this! Thank you for this explanation. I’m going to pin this comment ❤️
Thank you for this explanation. I knew there had to be some depth and nuance to this. I’m Afro-American I admit I get in my feelings when an artist is performing what we see as black art, but don’t consider themselves black. But my feelings come from what we go through in America.
Peace.
Lets not confuse 'coloured' with 'colored' as this is what's causing the confusion in the first place.
Westernrrs need to see the world from other’s perspectives.
Thank u... I always tell ppl that Africans aren't black. MOST DO NOT identify as black... Black really is an American thing as far as identity goes, and as I was told as a child... "We're all mixed in America. Ain't nobody actually black and our features say so."
Tyla is generational multiracial. Coloured in South Africa doesn't mean black. Coloured is an entirely separate group from black. Yes, she may look Indianish, but she is not Indian. Both her parents are mixed, and I think even her grandparents. Hence why I said multigenerational mixed. It's similar to the Creole people in Louisiana and America. If you look at her parents and siblings, you can see that they all don't look exactly alike. Americans spend too much time classifying people into a box rather than allowing them to be. Tyla is not black. She is mixed. A lot of countries do not consider mixed and bi-racial as black, even if they identify as black. Tyla has been travelling around the world doing interviews, and her identity has never been an issue until she is in the USA.
The rest of the world might "not consider mixed and bi-racial as black", but when you go to the "rest of the world", you find out that you're black! You can even ask some of these "passport bros"...
Colored is considered a race in South Africa (mixed race). Just like Caucasian & Black (and every other nationality). In America, the 1 drop rule has always been in play. You are Black (N****O) if your father is Black! ✌🏽
She should’ve had the media training to answer this kind of question. Her team failed her here.
Failed her where ? so when Americans come to South Africa must have media training ? If I view a mulatto creole call them coloreds and force them to identify as colored ? South Africa has different ethnic groups, with different cultures and traditions.
She is not American!!!she is South African and YALL need to be stopped ignorant about South African history... she's is definitely not Indian
she is an Indian,her father is Indian ,just like Nikki Minaj
We don't care what she calls herself. We care that she cosplay foundational black americans and fba culture for money, power, and respect!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
@@willowwale2000We don't care what she calls herself. We care that she cosplay foundational black americans and fba culture for money, power, and respect!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
@@mr.nyceguy7800 I agree
@@willowwale2000Nicki Minaj is WEST INDIAN... Not the same at all
In South Africa we are not race obsessed like America is! She’s coloured to us and we respect the coloured race here. And why does everything that’s not a hundred percent white, Asian , Mexican or whatever other race Black??? We here in South Africa if you’re mixed if you’re dad is white and your mom is black you’re not black you’re coloured or mix!! Why should mixed people be forced to acknowledge one race. Tyla is South African but doesn’t have a black persons experience. Please Stop America
In africa, y'all are fba obsessed! Which is why "colourds" like tyla copies and cosplays foundational black americans to get money power and respect!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
If she is trying to get Black US money, she can get with the Black US program.
Lmaoooo okay period
Read somewhere most music consumers are whites. Black money won't put a dent on her road.
No, black people spend their dollars in Korean, Indian and especially White owned stores so please get a life. Many blacks in the US wouldn’t be classified as black in many black African countries
She's not black I don't see the issue; mixed or mulatto people are now having channels on UA-cam explaining that their not black
Andrew Tate put some blacks on blast when they tried to label him black. Good for him.😊
Mulatto is OFFENSIVE... Latto the rapper literally changed her name because of it.
Coloured in South Africa doesn't mean black but mixed race
She doesn’t want to be black but they want us to support her
🫣🤔🤔
Nah you just don’t understand African culture bro
she's trying to get American fans so therefore she needs to learn (black) American culture and history If she wants a fan-based here.
She's not black. Why do you want a woman that's not black to be black
She's a full breed coloured why do you feel to debate about it. I'm a proud colourd ..get over it she won't change just to make you happy,we from .SA. Plz do go through our history..
She is in the US trying to appeal to Black Americans. Black American culture is built on Black resistance to colonial structures that oppress Black people. "Coloured" in South Africa is a classification based in a colonial caste system that oppressed/oppresses Black people...in South Africa. There's no way for her to exist in the US and identify with such a classification without being called on it. Black Americans don't rock with or abide colonial imperialism. Have people not been watching the history of Black Americans? If she says she's mixed that's fine but with the history of the caste "coloured", it's never going to be received well by Black Americans. She's going to have to head back to South Africa or go somewhere else if she wants support while identifying with an imperial caste system.
People forgot about that apparently. Coloured really means a step above black. I remember about the „black“ part of the beach not having nets to keep the sharks off the beach and other wild stuff like that.
@@tulipanegradesign and this is why the "coloured" thing isn't going to play well with Black Americans. That is counter every thing Black American culture is built on
The obsession with this poor girl is getting tedious. She didn't make herself coloured so I don't get why people are hating on her for something that is entirety out of her control
The obsession with tethers copying and cosplaying foundational black american culture to get money, power, and respect is even more tedious!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
I agree with gatekeeping our power in the entertainment field. Show some respect to the country you are trying to sell your music. In the US, we do not use the term " colored", period. Her team needed to brief her about our culture and customs when you are in the US. We don't need her, she needs the US Black culture to reach that worldwide superstar status and we have every right to call out Anti Blackness when it comes knocking at your door asking to come in.
Okay, I see your POV, and I agree. They definitely should have briefed her. Especially because the world excepts Americans/ black Americans to respect other parts of the world
She must ditch her identity and culture and who she is for Americans ? Thats like telling you when you come to Africa to ditch you black American way.
Would it be ok if she labeled herself Indian being half-East Indian and all?
She's not American.... She's South African. In South Africa she's known as Colored Not Black..... That's why she say that she's Colored......
It's Like how some Black Americans Prefer to be called Black... And Don't want to be called African Americans, because they were Born & raised in America and aren't from Africa. (Our Ancestors are)
Agreed, this is what I said in my video
We know she is not Black American. So tell her to stop cosplaying foundational Black american culture to get money, power, and respect!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
She's South African not American. There's a difference between SA and USA. Her context is South African not American. It's not even about when apartheid ended. Learn people from their context not yours. I think coloureds in SA don't see themselves as less than as a people. People must get out of their context. If black Americans want her to call herself black so they can feel better THAT is messed up and on the wrong side of disrespectful. Learn who we are without putting Americans standards on us.
Exactly
She's in the US trying to appeal to Black Americans. Coloured is classification created as part of a racial caste system that oppressed Black people...in south Africa. Black Americans do not rock with colonial systems that oppress Black people. That's never going to fly here. If she wants to live in her context, she's going to have to take that colonial/imperial caste system stuff back to South Africa.
I think the point is not that “colored” is considered “better than” “black”. So that label makes her and her people in a position of preference over “black” people in the country. Its like creole/mulotto being treated better that blacks in the American Gulf area. I think Americans should be better educated- but South Africans need to educate themselves as well and they need to hold themselves and their countrymen accountable for their history of colonialism and systematic oppression that has lasted WAY longer into recent times than more other countries with similar histories.
@@thecommentsection4913FACTSSSSSSS...SHE WANTS" BLACK AMERICANS "TO ACCEPT HER ..TYLA NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT " BLACKNESS MEANS IN AMERICA
You guys really need to educate yourself about the world outside of America.
She never said she didn't wanna be black. Her culture is different from the u.s. Trying to force american culture on her is wrong..Some black americans go to Africa & not called black. Different experience & culture..
She' doesn't identify as colored, she identifies as coloured. Different continent, different ball game.
Yet she cosplays as "foundational black americans" to be rich and famous!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
Not every answer should be in compliance with american ideologies or ideas.... There is a world out there that operates outside the realms of american thinking...
Charlamagne should've pressed the issue more. Tyla doesn't come off as intelligent in her interviews. If you are going to parade around as "colered" in a country that sees that as a racial slur, you better have a good explanation. He asked a very valud question.
What different do it make if she black white purple or what color she is a beautiful young lady i never seen color all i see is humans and all god childrens why worry if she black are not she still human remember god see no color
Tired of this industry plant. I’d rather spend my money on Normani’s album
Victoria Monet too...
Do as you plz you ppl are just looking for sensation
She will not be receiving my support
I bet Tyla is finding out maybe being famous isn't as nice as she imagined.
We must not undermine the intelligence of Black American people by generalizing on this race issue, we know they are clever and smart. Tyla avoided that question because she answered it before in radio interviews and comments. By repeating one answer so many times, it's like you are undermining the intelligent of someone, you only do it to someone who is dumb. Tyla explained herself already in previous interviews, followed by that statement she wrote to the media after that unfortunate BreakFast interview. Why must she continue repeating?
Welcome to America Tyla America is a Black and White country you came to America for black people here to promote you and back you.Black American culture is the worlds culture an in order to get recognized in our culture you must conform to black American ways and manners.
What are your thoughts and options on this topic? Let’s have a respectful conversation ❤️
That everyone wants to be a "ni@@a" until it's time to be a ni@@a...
I'M SO- CALLED COLORED AND I HATE THAT WORD.
I REFUSE TO EMBRACE IT.
I AM BLACK 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿.
The same people giving Tyla shyt are the same ones that are quick to call Drake a colonizer and a white boy. People are fvcking hypocrites!!!
True, I see wym. Selective outrage is real
I mean calling yourself black is weird. When you look up all the etymological uses and meanings from the past, says nothing about a human being. We need to come up with a different name and stop calling ourselves crayons or dead in the eyes of the law. Many of “black” folks roots were here before Columbus. Many of us recognize ourselves as indigenous American Indians. All of his is raising dialogue to change the spells that exist in the English language
I don't know what you guys are learning at school,but you guys are not indians,and Indian is a offensive word btw.
The only reason why you guys exist in the Americas,it's because of europeans and slavery.
You guys came from Africa.
We understand I wish they just move on and forgive her
There is nothing to forgive. Black Americans don't own the word "coloured".
This is dumb. The plot is lost with FBA blacks. You don't own the world stage.
Oh but we do own the world stage! The world mimics us! Which is why you tethers stay fleeing to america where the fba's are to copy and cosplay us.
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
Change all the terms
Tyla looks and is at least 80 percent indian
How do you know the percentage ? Did she say this herself.?
She mentioned that she has Mauritian/Indian in her lineage but it is definitely not 80%.
Fr Tyla’s accent you can tell she is colored with roots in Durban. Which is where majority of Zulus and Indians are. So she’s most likely Zulu and Indian .
@N00R12 Mauritius? , she's talking about Indians in Mauritius, so , she's basically indian with a little admxiture
She's not black I don't see the issue; mixed or mulatto people are now having channels on UA-cam explaining that their not black
Welcome to America Tyla America is a Black and White country you came to America for black people here to promote you and back you.Black American culture is the worlds culture an in order to get recognized in our culture you must conform to black American ways and manners.