The World's Most Popular Mushroom Is... Illegal To Pick?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Lion's Mane is one of the world's most popular mushrooms, but did you know in some places it is actually illegal to pick? In this episode of The Mushroom Show, we are digging into an act that prohibits picking Lion's Mane and trying to understand the difference between wild harvested and cultivated functional mushrooms. Plus, we explore the growing market for mushroom chocolates - including the legality, and the interesting history of this well known combination. Finally, we go on a quick virtual tour of a one of the most mysterious mushrooms to be cultivated- Tremella fuciformis.
Enjoy!
0:00 Intro
0:49 Lion's Mane: A Rare Mushroom?
7:23 Mushrooms & Chocolate
13:12 A Virtual Tour Of A Tremella Farm - Навчання та стиль
The illegality of picking a lion's mane mushroom is really stupid because not picking a mushroom doesn't change a thing. Instead, it would be much wiser for the authorities to make it illegal to cut down millennial trees or deforest forests older than 100 years because lion's mane mushrooms love those places. In my country, it is illegal to pick wild lion's mane mushrooms, but every year they cut down and pick all the old trees from the forest... such a shame.The habitat of lion's mane is destroyed every day. Preserving the habitat is the only necessity for lion's mane, but that's not on the list of illegal activities.
@@CarlosHarvey-lm2zz
I will refer you to where you can get common sense.
This is such a good point. Hopefully we get some smart people into government soon that care about the environment and this rapid degradation. Maybe R.F.K.?
Great video but small correction. You referred to Hericium coralloides as "Bears tooth" when that is actually Hericium americanum. Hericium coralloides is the Coral tooth.
The lion's mane is very rare in Sweden as well. A relic from warmer days, now only found in southern parts of the country. Habitat loss and decreasing temperatures caused the decline.
We call it the hedgehog quill mushroom.
We have oysters growing in our woods and we are thrilled!!! If they want to spread I am here to help them!!
Just a small correction, psilocybin mushrooms are decriminalized in ALL of Colorado, not just Denver as of Prop. 122 passing.
Hell yeah, I should move there
I came here to say the very same thing.
Another correction-
Psilocybin is not only decriminalized, but legal in Colorado.
Must. Spread. Legalization.
All kinds of different spores are traveling around the globe in the jet stream right now.
There are no "native" or "invasive" fungi. Only good or bad environments for them to grow in.
we do have lions mane in alberta ive indentified and harvested like 10lbs last summer
I made myself a stir fry with Lions main last week. It was yums!😋
Hey Tony , always great information your sharing . Another great mushroom voice. Thanks Brother👊🍄
You make a very good point about counterfeit chocolate being an issue. When I was a young lad I took homeade "Mushroom Chocolates" I am pretty positive it wasn't Psylocybin but some type of research chemical or 2CI type compound in the chocolate. Had the worst trip of my life and almost went to the hospital. I tripped for days and thought I would never stop tripping and freaked out. Never took anything but pure dried Psilocybin mushrooms again and never felt like that or had visuals like that again.
Here in NorCal I have found lions mane only once, at Point Reyes. And I came across a sandy stiltball once in San Francisco, in some wood chips!
I say let them grow. They clean the environment. I mean oyster mushrooms can clean oil spills. We need more mushrooms to clean up the mess humans make. Love the show and my mushroom supplements courtesy of FreshCap. Your multi mushroom supplement I take twice a day. Just 2 weeks in I could tell a difference in my cognitive ability. My husband is also taking it now. Thanks!!! We are 2 very satified customers.
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Good stuff man
Awesome! Thanks!
I have had it in the uk easy to find in Chinese shops great quality and works well in soups
We've got some boba houses with tremella drinks in my hometown. It's really big in traditional Chinese desserts. I've had it a few times and it went well with the boba. It's also common in Chinese buffets as a jelly dessert. It goes well with the coconut milk tapioca pearls. I like to mix them together instead of eating them separately
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Oregon and Washington have an abundant number of most choice mushrooms. So bleesed to have been able to forage in both states.
The pnw is the mushroom capital of North America
northern ny forager with 1000s of hours searching. Found LM once.
Lions mane is illegal to pick in Serbia. I wonder would it help to put fruiting bags all over the forest to help it...
Whoa Tony, I want those rainbow eyes. Great episode. I have a Lions Mane LC, I’m going to inoculate some rye grains tomorrow; this video gave me the needed motivation to do some mycology.
What does the LC stand for?
Liquid culture. Mycelium suspended in a nutritious liquid.
@@jasonshults368 Thank You
Same in Poland, strictly protected. Soplówka jeżowata (polish name) is one of the rarest mushroom.
@Xacs488 nah, i illegally collect chaga, that's enough crimes for one person.
But Lysiczka Lancetowata is still collectable 😉.
Same as sromotnik 😂
@@nieczerwony yep, but you can eat sromotnik only once in your lifetime.
@@johnywalker5186 Yeah my bad. I meant to say muchomor czerwony 😂
Yeah!!!! The mushroom show! My favorite show
Lions mane is also red listed in Sweden, meaning that it's not allowed/legal to forage wild samples.
tremella is one of my favourites
I find these regularly in central Alberta.
Do mushrooms have carbohydrates? If I am in ketosis on a carnivore diet( no plants), what would be the consequences of adding say chanterelle or oyster mushrooms that I can wild harvest here? Love your show, Tony!
any cordyceps militaris farm visit with in depth tips?
I kind get more into mushrooms info seeing this handsome guy presenting this show 🤩
Where did you find tremella in a drink? Was it South Asia? Because when you said it was an odd textured drink I thought, Thailand would love that texture
Lionsmane Farm next pls,
If we wide spread mushroom species around the world in non native lands. The only issue I could think of would be possible nutrients stolen from insects that are wood loving species, but I also personally feel the result would be so minimally stolen, their wouldn’t be much of a difference. (Butterfly effect though)
I have only seen lions mane in Wales in the UK once and am I know 57 and totally understand the critical importance of leaving them well alone,I would never dream of picking them if I was lucky to find one again. But I have heard the arguments that wild UK Lions mane are or maybe genetically unique to easily cultivated one's; my question being can expert UK mycologists, collect enough spores from our native mushroom to introduce eventually into mainstream cultivation. Even to allow amatuer enthusiasts to make sure the UK genetically unique to proliferate, if indeed they are compound or genetically unique
best for runners ?
Maybe you addressed this point in the video and I simply failed to catch it, but if non-native strains of fungus cultivate in the wild, isn't there the risk of it out-competing native fungus?
Not speaking from the video, but yes. Exactly. Any time ANY cultivated organism escapes cultivation there is real risk.
Some work out ok, and are then often pointed to as "see? Don't worry so much"... but those that become a problem can be DEVASTATING. We humans need to plan for worst case, not use best case to enable and encourage lackadaisical opinions and actions (or lack of actions)
It's an important question to remember and to ASK. Thanks
My personal take on this, is that the constant competition between and among the various species of fungi has been likened to that of war. If cultivated strains happen to be released or escape back into the wild, from whence they originally came, then, naturally, these strains will have to fight for survival. There is no guarantee that they will succeed. More likely, they will have to adapt to the wild environs, which means genetic modification through intermarriage with the local inhabitants of the same species.
WHAT.. makes a mushroom "native".. their spores travel the planet.. it's the ENVIRONMENT particular stains prefer they become naturally prevalent.. if the Greenies & their beaurocrats understood their roles they're be developing the conditions that CLEARLY have been historic to areas or regions or countries even.. but.. that takes just a little.. thinking & effort
Bro, where are the fungal spores I want to extract and plant?
You ask questions, and answer them as if without any awareness. The fact that humans farm a wild plant, animal or mushroom, inevitably is affecting that organism's gene pool. When humans select for this quality or that, they inevitably unintentionally can select against another quality. I'm a horticulturalist and am fully aware that a wild plant grown in a small area such as a garden inevitably has its genetic diversity reduced, you select a small amount of 'seed' and breed from it over and over thus reducing diversity to a point that unless you introduce stock from elsewhere you will lose your plant due its inability to survive the unexpected. A garden example of that in the UK is now Box which is being attacked by a fungus and since Bos is easily grown from cuttings many people are growing the same genetic plant. Having wild, areas is vital if we want to continue farming. I can list so many examples of gene pool reduction where the result is we are on the verge of losing a vital crop or already lost it. Cavendish Bananas is a perfect example since it's sterile, effectively, and every banana you ever ate is likely to have been Cavendish. There's a fungus now attacking Cavendish, putting banana production at risk, which will be a huge loss for many communities in areas of the world that depend on it for income and food! Tradescantia no longer exists in the wild. Ginger that you buy in the supermarket doesn't exist in the wild. Feral crops getting out into the wild destroys diversity. English Bluebells are seriously threatened in the wild because Spanish bluebells were imported to grow in gardens. The Spanish Bluebell is more vigorous than the English Bluebell, and it hybridises very easily with it. Anyone growing Spanish Bluebells in their garden near a pristine wild population is going to destroy that pristine population because bees and other pollinators carry the pollen from the garden to the wild creating hybrids. This lowers diversity. How? In the way that if you have 50 paint pots, all a different colour you have diversity, but put all that paint in a small contained area and allow it all to mix up you now end up with brown, only brown! You've lost diversity! There are 66 million people in the UK, that is a massive amount of people on a small island if you encourage all those people to go out into the 'wild' and I put that in inverted commas because there is no place in the UK that goes untouched by human hand/foot, if you encourage all those to pick whatever they want from the 'wild' even if they only take a third, then that's a third less and the next person takes another third and another third. It doesn't take long before there's nothing left but for what is kept in human cultivation and zoos. How can you be so short-sighted and arrogant to imply a law written to protect our flora and fauna is stupid and unnecessary, especially since you then go on to explain the need for genetic diversity. What qualifications do you have to rubbish what well respected scientists and government advisors say?
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Worlds most popular mushroom? no. Clickbait title? yes.
Isn't it cultivated so much it's impossible to have it go extinct?
I think he’s taking about natural strains that grow in nature being overtaken by gourmets that are acting like invasive species.
Either way I just hope we learn more and create a beautiful biodiverse woodland with a healthy balance of organisms
@@AJScraps i found golden oysters this past fall in Minnesota. They're definitely not supposed to be here.
Eh kinda sounds like the same question of if an animal is extinct if it only exists in zoos?
Here on Vancouver Island we are so fortunate to have an abundance of wild forageable mushrooms. Pines, boletes, chanterelles... haven't seen any lions mane
Mushrooms of various edibility are available from dispensaries in Vancouver
Why dont they just plug a bunch of trees to bring them back?
Great video, thanks for making it. One minor nit pick:
At 11:04, the structure of phenylethylamine is slightly off. The amine (nitrogen) should be at the end of the two-carbon chain (i.e. it should be 2-phenylethan-1-amine), not on the same carbon as the phenyl group (1-phenylethan-1-amine) as it is depicted in this video. The correct structure can be seen here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenethylamine
I think it would only be harmful for cultivated mushroom species to escape into the wild if they somehow changed the ecology, maybe out-competing natural species. I don't know what effect this would have, but I think it would be worthwhile to exercise caution and maybe study it.
You could of added "in the UK" to the title to be truthful in your title. Lions mane can be picked all over the US.
I added dry Tremella to a hot pot I made. It was not good.
In UK , it's probably rare because there is not much in the way of forests there.
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On my recent magic mushroom chocolate bar trip I saw faces with war paint, pyramids, symbols, and Aztec illustrations. It was closed eye visuals
I would considered them as invasive species especially if they outcompete native mushroms that have some known or unknown function in nature, who knows maybe some of them contain cure for cancer or some compound we'll need later on
If they actually cared they’d worry about habitat loss
YES!
YESSS!!
YESSSSSS!!!!
Do invasive mushrooms not out compete local mushroom strains?
No such thing as invasive mushrooms. Spores travel by wind, if by no other method.
Plants and animals and aquatic life! On the '' endangered species list " = probably would be of the list around a decade = if people were allowed to raise & sell them.
"Its hard to complain about that..." from a strictly human centric view, sure. 🤨😤
That same human centered stance has been and continues to be a root source of much, vast majority much, of what ails humans.
Widen ones view. Please. The escape of organisms from cultivation CAN BE a HUGE problem! We really should respect that possibility, and evaluate from that respect. I will grant it is not always a problem, but we should NEVER count on it, or be dismissive of negative potentials. Such arrogance is disappointing, and dangerous.
We can not win against nature. We can only live with respect, or suffer from disrespect, of the greater balances. We are a small part of natural systems, yet have developed horribly outsized influences against them.
We humans LIKE our power, I just hope we learn to RESPECT the responsibility of it in time to mitigate our own consequences.
Please think about the larger issues, and environment, that we supposedly respect? Please.
Big farma at work...
@FreshCap
It's important not to minimize the efforts of wildlife agencies supporting native species over the artificially grown. People have created space in their basements & garages all over the world for the cultivation of these mushroom variants targeting specific characteristics, which is also good, but nature does not share this privilege.
It's important to view your actions towards our natural environment. Small efforts over a long period contribute towards bettering the natural world we live in. Take north america for example, it was not a pristine land because it was untouched/unbothered, rather it was abundant in useful natural resources because it was cultivated to be so over the span of thousands of years; combined with a foundational cultural understanding of the importance of the natural environment which we honestly lack in today's capitalist world.
Which is why u qlwqys one tap the cap before you pick let spores go and 2 always spore print everything
Yes, tap those spores!
But tell me, why do I NEED to make a spore print?
@@gardengatesopen don't gotta but always useful they can be put on agar or In a culture jar an you can grow that mycelium out to get the mushrooms yourself
@carlist6157
yes, for collecting the spores.
And also collecting a tissue sample.
So making a PRINT isn't necessary.
Just checking.
Thanks
@@gardengatesopen not necessary just convenient
I think the police simply want to have shrooms on hand, just in case!!
there is way too little MAOI in a little piece of choco to do anything of significance to affect the experience
all i know is that when these aren't grown on wood they taste horrendous
these
these who?
They have decided to frack underneath our wonderful parks in Ohio even though it was voted against, and people protested. That land was given to be protected for future generations. Truly disgusting!
Yes there better In wild because they build up natural antibiotic properties because of the environmental stresses so yes wild mushrooms would be better than indoor growing mushrooms or out door that are grown on farms so wild mushrooms contain stronger compounds than grown on farms or indoors
I agree. 👍
But when they begin growing in the wild, they take up those same benefits from the natural environment
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8:35 just like your own product
Oi m8 u got a loicense for picking those mushrooms?
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That is a dangerous, point of view. You are welcome to it, everyone is allowed to have their own, however this is why it is my opinion that it is wrong to introduce non-native species. I have spring oysters (Pleurotus ostreatus) growing in my forest, not Yellow, but the yellow ARE native to our area.
I know that local growers are growing pink oyster mushrooms which ARE not native to our area, they are then disposing of the spent medium, are they incinerating the media or disposing of it in a proper manner? Unlikely. Since the pink Oysters are not native, and this has been seen in other jurisdictions, they can actually out compete the native species, meaning they will likely out compete the yellows, and more than likely the spring oysters, which are much less frequent growers. Introducing non-native species, is never a good Idea.
Sir That is instant noodles
"I don't know why it's endangered."
"It's the most popular mushroom."
Dude, you're not the sharpest knife, are you?
Chill brother 😀
clone them then lol all you have to do is take a needle and prick it ;) prick it dont pick it
I think it is important to leave cultivated varieties in the wild.
This is important for the ecological balance, as well as creating new varieties, in the wild.
Symbiosis is when all the parts create reality.
And it is difficult to achieve such a thing in the laboratory.
Because someone thinks they are not included in the experiment.
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I wish you all well!
Don't forget to grow.
Can you cut the floaty things over all the image? It's annoying.
Free The Mushroom
Spread The Spores
Can't you be happy with a cultivated simple mushroom? While so difficult?
I like to stay away from shroom. I only use cultivated ones. But it is indeed an idea. @@Xacs488
Because cultivated simple mushrooms lack flavor & nutrients compared to wild varieties. Agaricus bisporus (white button mushroom in the store) doesn't taste nearly as good as it's wild cousins. I LOVE the agaricus campestris & agaricus arvensis that grow around my place in the sagebrush steppes/prairie. Store mushrooms are disappointing in comparison
@@angeladansie4378 I live in Europe and what ever direction I walk...there will be hundreds of supermarkets...and the nature we have is way too small to feed the crowds. So...is why I take the cultivated ones. And appreciate whatever grows in our forests. As is. When it comes with some less taste, sure. When it comes with some less nutrients, sure. But come on, appreciate what is put to the table as well right. I am not that demanding as long as it is fresh, without toxins, and suits my pizza or whatever I use mushrooms for, I am totally happy with a simple champignon. And I don't want to sound rude, but according to your picture you use on your profile, a little less nutrients would sure suit you. I mean...overweight kills you faster dear lady. And no I do not mean that to sound mean or bully you. It is my clear and direct answer. Maybe...some people are way too demanding...
Detroit. Decriminalized. It's a hub of activity.
Why does yt subscribe for me?
Not really a big fan of the clickbait though.
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Diet needs to be foundation for mental health treatment
#UKsLeadingMHActivist
No one has the right to tell anyone whether they can or cannot sow seed, grow, harvest, use- any plant or fungi. Why do we allow this shit... especially in the land of the free
Yes.
You're right.
However-
There was no mention of growing and/or picking any myco grown at any home, in any country.
Just picking it in the WILD is illegal.
But I think it's a backwards law anyway.
Also, there are plenty of native plants with this same law protecting them against poaching.
Poaching of plants is destroying many natural habitats.
Poaching is bad.
I still think this particular law is backwards though...
Which law are you referring to? Protecting wild mushrooms from being over harvested is important. Some people in the "land of the free" are selfish jerks & will happily destroy a population through over harvesting, especially if they are commercial pickers. If you're talking about the laws against psylocibin mushrooms, yeah that's BS & I'm glad some states are leading the way in legalization & research.
@angeladansie4378
Very good points, yes!
I agree, especially with commercial harvesting. It should be regulated just as you said to make sure the present populations don't decline or disappear.
Bcuz yes, the greedy humans harm the species & need rules to follow.
I agree with that.
I'm just spit-balling here, but I was only thinking that law is probably backwards because when a mushroom fruit isn't EVER picked, even after the spores are all delivered into the environment,
then, the mycelium has done its job.
The incentive to work up enough energy to put out another fruiting body may be diminished.
Quite possibly resulting in less mushrooms overall.
That ONE mushroom never gets picked, and it's a waste of a perfectly good edible fruit that way.
Theoretically, since the mycelium's purpose is to deliver new spores into the world so the species will continue, and if the mushroom fruit is picked BEFORE the spores are released,
the mycelium gets the message to build another mushroom.
That way, the result is there are more mushrooms available to pick.
However, that only works if there is enough food for the mycelium to produce many mushrooms.
And maybe Britain doesn't have enough food to sustain heavy populations of Lions Mane fruit!??
I don't have all the environmental factors, so I'll just end up talking in circles!
Just as it feels like I'm doing now!
One thing is for certain,
if there are still wild Lions Mane growing in an area, (or ANY type of mushroom) there should be samples taken, and stored in such a way that science can replicate the fungi in the lab, just in case the ones in the wild do run out of resources to produce more fruits.
So you don't understand science.
$70 for a chocolate bar with only 1 gram in it!?
RIP OFF! I just got 1 for free as a tip! It was potent & tasted better than any chocolate I have ever had.
So... it can only sit there and rot...
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too!
Doesn't picking the mushroom and spreading the spores HELP it to procreate?!!
Yes.
Yes, I think it does.
Maybe instead of outlawing the picking of it altogether, the rule should be you can ONLY pick it AFTER it sporilates.
And - tap, tap, tap.
Except I've also heard mycologists say that picking them BEFORE it sporilates signals the mycelium to grow more fruit since it's aim is to send its spores out into the environment.
(Exactly the same reason a plant grows flowers - to make seeds.)
Therefore, if a fruit NEVER gets picked, the mycelium has no incentive to grow more fruit.
One mushroom could be enough to satisfy its purpose.
Result:
less mushrooms all around.
Me thinks the law has a major flaw in the plan...