What made this extra tragic was the fact that Phil was somehow aware that this was the worst case scenario for the Marvel universe. Seeing dark takes on iconic heroes is nothing new but they always came across as morbidly funny, like Old Man Logan or some other elseworld stories. But having the main character feel like they were just a few hairs away from a better world just makes it hurt and with the audience knowing that things are better in other stories immediatly makes you feel bad
Well, to be honest Ruins Hulk is more realistic than Canon Hulk. Especially with current retcons involving Marvel Satan, The end of time, and whatever the fuck Starship Hulk is supposed to be.
@dippindots1147 on the bright side atleast he's taking down some horrendous people in this comic like kingpin. Since he had contact with him, which means that kingpin also caught the virus. Too bad he couldn't get close to Charles Xavier🥲
The craziest part is the art detail in Peter parker, his skin condition echoing the suit he would've worn with white and black eyes, spider webs around his body. Instead of spreadin hope he spreads disease. Crazy detail.
Considering that The Punisher had no mutation or radiation or anything else to give him power, it was a nice choice to show him just dead. Especially knowing that he was one of the strongest characters, and yet something was dark enough to get him killed. Even tho he had no powers that could have gone wrong. The worst thing that could have happened in this context, is him actually just dying.
@@PeptoAbismol It takes a lot more than a few bullets to take Frank Castle down. If you didn't know, he also becomes Cosmic ghost rider in another comic, after fighting Thanos and making a deal with Mephisto
If the Punisher ever actually existed in real life during a time where the mafia was more prominently around, then he'll be assassinated quicker than you think. All they need is his face then they'll send in loads of enforcers watch him 24/7 and then blow him away the moment he steps outside or even set a bomb in his car.
the reveal of what happens to peter parker is interesting. from my interpretation, it shows the most hopeful hero in marvel (imo) be a catalyst in the protagonist's horrifying death.
The weird thing is that all super heroes stories has these characters like Parker. Mr Freeze is the opposite of getting ice powers. And other supervillains are simply villains cause their mutation was an accident that destroyed them, like Green Goblin. Imagine if it didn't make him insane.
Everything comes back to Spider-Man. If Spider-Man gets fucked up in your Marvel universe something seriously bad is going to happen. It's the reason Deadpool kills him first.
I love the theory that Ben Grimm not going on the ship with the F4 is what caused this universe to go awry. Because of marvel’s sliding time scale for its continuity, the beginning of the universe is always the F4. Of course history happened before that, but Spider-Man was always bitten like 5 years after the F4 got their powers for an example. So if the basis for the marvel universe is comprised then so will the rest of the this world.
@@SidheKnight when there’s a single point in a timeline that is considered absolute like the creation of F4, events then start to form both before and after to make sure that event happens. So if Ben Grimm doesn’t get on the ship, history then needs to change so that he never gets on the ship.
@@dayalx I suppose it's worth it, as a conclusion to the DCEU. It's enjoyable, but not enough to watch it more than once. I was never a big fan of the DCEU, so I'm glad it's over. But the movie made me laugh and some good moments, and some nice cameos.
at the beginning of the video you were pondering how Ellis could’ve written this as a “comedy” when it’s so brutal and depressing, but it’s actually fairly simple. This book developed a following of people how are genuinely fascinated by its edge and grim but Ellis thought this book was stupid. Everything was so ridiculously depressing and dry of inspiration that he couldn’t help but laugh at how stupid it really was. Sheldon’s narration is meant to be taking itself too seriously and things like Cap being a cannibal or Johnny Blaze killing himself with a stunt were concepts he came up with in half a second trying to be overtly edgy. I think the reason why this vision didn’t really stick with people though is probably the art. Matching what is meant to be corny and overdramatized narration with the most gut-wrenching art you’ve ever seen doesn’t exactly scream “this book isn’t meant to be taken seriously”
Yeah, sometimes you end up with stories that kinda just make you wonder 😅 like, bro, what even is this Still, it's an interesting concept, if many Marvel heroes ended up in a rather unceremoniously ended life.
It was honestly a bit hard to get through the video just cause this guy is being so serious about everything when it's like so ridiculously edgy that it makes me laugh. It's like if a 15 year old got really mad and started scribbling all the worse things he could think of in his diary and then somebody read it being super serious.
@@pintolerance785I think you missed the point lol. The Author himself is the one who finds it edgy and silly. The wider Marvel community think the art turns it into a dark masterpiece. Most people indeed take this story very seriously. I simply don’t like body horror so I don’t really have a stake in this battle lol.
The author: I intentionally made this comic to be so edgy that it's funny lol. The artists: *draws some of the most hauntingly beautiful pieces of art that will be remembered for decades*
Like the author of watchmen... or the author of the boys.... they try to be edgy and accidentily created masterpieces. Even if they dont recognize them as such
Brutal and intense. There is a death that stuck with me..Iron man's in which his suit malfunctioned, and he screamed for hours inside like a statue. As depressive the deaths are, they are comedically ironic. I think that's what makes this work so well as a twisted take on classically clean approachable look marvel garnered over the years.
ironically this isn't the first time Tony died this way. In Avengers vs Marvel Universe his armor malfunctions and he gets stuck and eventually becomes a statue in the middle of the city when the cannibals take over
I think your're confused, in ruins iron man dies when the ship is shot down, iron man dies the way your're describing in punisher kills the marvel universe
If this ever got adapted, it should be in the style of a documentary. The mix of VHS footage and low quality photos would enhance the experience and feel more believable.
While it’s a cool idea wasn’t the last ‘punchline’ of the comic that for all he saw it didn’t make a difference because he never got to write what he saw?
Great idea, but as we all know, Hollywood can't make documentaries. Look what happened to WWZ. It was a great book, but they completely broke everything that was unique and interesting and made it another horror movie. I liked it well enough, but was majorly disappointed by it at the same time.
@@datfrogjj Also I'm not sure the dead thor with the avengers was the real one, the soldier picked up his hammer, he was probably some strong mutant or hero using his name.
17:17 - the context is showing that as opposed to the Kree's own nuclear weapons going off, they were targeted by supposedly multiple human nations and immediately nuked by them.
Lines like that and lot of dialogue with reflective thought make me think the comic actually wants to be taken seriously but the writer is on damage control saying its just dark comedy to cover up for possible bad critics calling him way too edgy
The fact they snuck in the classic spidey hand pose makes me chuckle every time I see that panel. Stuff like that really makes the dark comedy of the comic stand out to me
It is so ironic that despite the author's intention to make the edgiest parody of Marvel possible, the brilliant artwork managed to turn that unbridled edge into something thought provoking and haunting; all the merits this story has are almost completely independent of its author. Man, this video will stay with me for a while. You couldn't have chosen a better song to match the visuals.
Tbh, Ellis also fails at writing a story that's twisted but funny. Ruins is a very depressing story, and one of my criticisms is that it's really just that - depressing, all edge and no point -, but it comes across as an earnest attempt at writing a tragedy. Edgy comedy isn't just a bunch of horrible deaths: you gotta lean into the absurdity in a way that makes me laugh out of shock, not just think "man that's fucked up".
I know this is old. But to me this is a mirror to our world. There was a soviet soldier named Stanislav Petrov, who stood between civilization and nuclear apocalypse. What if he chose wrong? That is ruins. What if everything went wrong? That is the world of ruins. We should be happy about the great and small miracles we encounter, because they could've ruined us.
One thing i also find ironic about Parker here, is that he is mostly portraited as the "Friendly Neighbourhood" Spider-Man, always close to people and spreading happines, but here, he spreads sickness, and must stay away all the time from people.
There's a theory that wanda wasn't affected by this universe because she has probability manipulation. So it wouldn't make sense if something bad happened to her.
She was affected in the fact she turned into a treacherous coward and sold out her former team and own brother just to save her own skin. No one is completely spared in this reality.
@@jdog5150That's less something happening to her,and more her simply trying to cope with a timeline she would know is fucked. Sure she was cowardly,but if you knew you were basically in the worst timeline you'd do whatever you could to help yourself.
i think that despite everything, the fact that bruce still saved rick despite the ungodly consequences- is oddly heartwarming. in the darkest marvel universe, there's still people who do the same selfless thing they always do
While it is dark and bitter, I really love the story of Marvel Ruins. I do wish there is more to the story to explore the aspect of what made the world go wrong. To either see if the world could be "saved" or if there is hope.
@@Gamfluent I wouldn't say it's earth rules applying. By all means the story is anything but realistic, just the worst-case scenario. Which may seem edgy on the surface. For that world, I won't say heroism is dead, instead hope is. Granted, on my part, I am reaching. So take that with a bucket of salt.
@@Sneeds_Feed_And_Seed69 Nah they do, it feels incomplete otherwise cause we don't know what actually made the universe this way and it's presented as a mystery at the start.
@@Gamfluent Nah a radioactive spider wouldn't give you a mutant virus, it wouldn't even do anything cause it lacks enough radiation to harm your DNA. Hulk would just die if he received a gamma blast.
I'm surprised no one pointed out that peter is essentially a cruel parody of his hero costume, red skin with wep patterns, white eyes with large black outlines. All that's missing the blue of his costume
What I like most about this is that theres no imminent threat to save the world from some super dark evil like in batman metal. Even though the world isn't literally in ruins it definitely convays that feeling and the fact that so few people realize how bad things truly are adds so much to it.
@@yankeehussar3614 who said so? Are you really sure about that? Remember we are talking about the most powerful telepath in the world, one that seems to be obssesed with power, what could stop him from enslave the whole world? Let me see... another very powerful telepath? A shame Jean Grey got a bullet in her head by a very unstable Nick Fury that start to rambling right after he kill himself about some mutant non-sense...
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As someone who was struck with severe Pure OCD at 17, the theme of this comic resonates with me. I feel like my life was full of happiness, hope, light and joy until that day and it has been a cold, dark shell of itself for over a decade since then. I feel like it wasn't supposed to be like this. I remember when it wasn't like this. I'm only now starting to find some happiness in life despite it through sheer will.
@@anthonyf616 OCD, especially the form I have which is called Pure OCD is a living nightmare because it can strike out of nowhere and make you terrified of things happening to you or people you love or even make you feel like you're the lowest form of life on Earth through extreme guilt and shame through mental images, thoughts, feelings, and urges which can last for years or even decades while your brain terrifies you into constantly trying to solve the imaginary problem it's giving you. I compare it to the scene from A Clockwork Orange where the main character is forced to watch images that torture him but instead of it coming from somewhere else it's your own brain doing it to you. I'm not exaggerating when I say I have barely survived it for this long and it has caused long term damage and PTSD for me.
I like how one of the only characters who doesn’t have a super tragic back story is Ben grimm considering how tragic his story already is in the comics.
Ben has to live with the guilt of thinking if he was with Reed and the rest he could’ve done something. Not as bloody and gross as the rest of what happens but still messed up and depressing in its own right.
@@thomasraines1396no guilt. He wasn't best friends with Reed in this universe. All I picked up was his sense of pride kicked in and made him think he could've piloted better than Doom.
@@gesarts3625 doesn’t matter if he was best friends with him, the thought that he could’ve saved them and with his sad expression shows he felt guilt. He wasn’t approaching the situation with a sense of pride.
The Nick Fury section of the plot had me rolling laughing. He reminisces on cannibal acts with Captain America, shoots Jean Grey after being randomly solicited for s*x, and then shoots himself in the head in that exact order? And then the protagonist walks away and almost trips over the dead body of the Punisher just laid out in some street somewhere? Come on, that’s comedy gold
@@mothman6895 elaborate lol. Because if you think a story where Jean Grey, who reads minds, would let a guy walk up to her and shoot her to death is not in jest…I completely disagree with you
In a world of the worst things imaginable, the writers still manage to make peters fate the worst of them all, writers try not to make Peter's life a living hell challenge, failed again!
I don't know, Bruce Banner got a pretty shitty deal. Atleast Peter's suffering will end. Bruce is still alive in that condition under a lake in a bunker according to Rick.
I honestly wonder how a DC Universe version of Ruins would go. I can think of a few examples: Barry Allen dies from getting struck by lightning rather than gaining superspeed and becoming the Flash. Hal Jordan dies in his plane crash and doesn't become the new Green Lantern when the original owner of his ring dies on Earth. In fact there are no Green Lanterns from Earth as the world is so screwed over that there was no strong willpower for a ring to chose so the ring just goes back to the GL Corpse with the guardians deeming Earth is far to gone that protecting it would be pointless. Billy Batson would never become Shazam, rather he is already grown up but suffers from severe case of Peter Pan syndrome therefore still acting like a kid and likes to play superhero. Kent Nelson suffers from a case of schizophrenia and wears makeshift helmet to help "supress the voices in his head", seeing how it somehow suceed he sees himself as a "doctor" this way, but the moment his helmet is removed he will go mad again. Diana as well as the other amazons on her island end up becoming so isolated from the world that their resources begin to become scarce, going mad from starvation that they would either cannabalize each other or make sacrificial ritutals to appeal to the Gods they worship in hope to be sparred from their doom. Bruce Wayne might still grow up to become a billionaire but unfortunately might end up getting corrupted like most of the other rich folk in Gotham and might become mayor, a feared one in fact that he has propaganda posters him of everywhere saying "I am watching you." Or something to make sure no one commits crimes again which he punishes citizens over the smallest little things to show his corruption further. He would then be given the nickname "The Bat". Lastly Ka-El along with Kara were killed before they could be launched off Krypton therefore all Kryptonians are extinct, without Superman there was no hope, so everything went to hell.
One important thing that can't be overlooked is that story's version of Phil. We went through the story with him hoping he'd find out what went wrong and that he writes his book. He did neither, but he was still important. Maybe a dark Lois could phil that role?
What I actually found most interesting about this comic was how it is seeing the marvel universe (granted, one where things that could go wrong, did) was all from a normal person’s perspective. This is what I’ve always wished for and we do see this from time to time. E.g. one of the best Spider-Man issue. The one where he saves a kid and helps him with homework, but then is killed. It’s mostly done in a interview, documentary perspective, with a good chunk being from the mum and other relevant people. This can make a fictional, and even possibly comedic world building feel real. So, despite this being another ‘dark and inglorious’ version of a world we love, this perspective used makes it feel less like it’s just done for the sake of making a gross version, but truly showing the feeling of powerlessness in that world, and the dread.
Funny thing is..this is done for the sake of dark comedy. Everyone dies by the thing that could have made them hero. Silver Surfer dies from being an angel. Spider Man dies of cancer from a radioactive spider. and on and on and on
The thing i love most about this story is the artwork I dont have any other way to describe it other than this: the art looks like pain. It reflects the world perfectly in how everything was so close to being okay
@@sybrenkruijf8570That’s true, but in the section of the video that he referenced, the dude’s talking about the Surfer’s origin. It’s far from the only thing he got wrong in this video…
Honestly Marvel Ruins feels more like a violent rejection of both heroes and villains, each of them meeting horrific fates for trying to change such a horrifiying world, a universe so wrong and bleak that the people in it can only dream of better tomorrows.
i like a dark story, but to me ruins just feels cheap. its subversive, sure, but to what end? what does it actually say? it just feels to me like some edgy bullshit, like someone is going "euhhhh, actually, if those things in comics happened they wdnt get powers theyd just die" like it just has so much pointless hatred in it. like someone saw the darkness of a lot of 80s comics suddenly being offset by something upbeat like marvels and decided they had to undermine it. great video though, even if it isnt a story i personally enjoy you did a great job discussing it.
That's actually the point of the story. That's the readon why it's labeled as a comedy because the writer himself thought it was overly edgy garbage. It was never meant to be realistic, it was just supposed to be "everything goes wrong just because it can."
I can totally see the "dark comedy" elements in this. So many of this fates have a clear twisted irony to them. And the art makes it all the more visceral.
Reading “Ruins” after you’ve just read “Marvels” is both bizarre and utterly depressing You know how things should be, how much potential this world actually had, and you get to join Sheldon and watch the world devour itself alive instead
It's wild that as a Marvel guy I haven't heard of Ruins... but before you even said it I was like, "This is Warren Ellis, isn't it?" The guy has typecast HIMSELF, so predicatable.
Personally im not the biggest fan of the story ive always leaned more towards hopeful uplifitng stories but this was just pure edge to me. I read this before the pandemic and it just shook me. The art is great and haunting even if i dont like the story a whole lot. My least favorite thing to come from all this is people saying how this is the realistic version of Marvel and that annoys me to no end. Not everything is hopeless and dark like Ruins its just the worst possible outcome for everything and not what would actually happen
Ruins is WAY too edgy to the point of being comedic like just terrible things happen for just no reason, Captain America became a cannibal... uh okay? What if Spider Man got cancer... uh okay? What if Silver Surfer exploded... uh okay? What if Galactis starved... uh okay? Like the ruin comic series doesn't give you anything to think about like, "Yeah I guess it would suck if superheroes just got cancer or randomly died." Anybody who says Ruins is the realistic version of Marvel is a clown.
@@pintolerance785 Spider-Man one makes some sense because it's a radioactive spider that bit him so in reality he'd become diseased, the Johnny Blaze one is pretty stupid though imo
I somewhat interpret the ending as a literal interpretation of the "Marvel Ruins" universe being abandoned by god which is kinda seen with the dead galactus image and headline. Really hits on your point of death being everywhere and that in this universe regardless of your intentions or motives a horrible existence and death awaits. Great video though, never heard of this series so learnt something new!
I’m just extremely baffled by the fact that some random soldier managed to pic up Mjolnir with no issue, like how exactly? It’s the guy “Worthy” or the universe decided to deplete the hammer’s power?
The answer is that Ellis didn’t write this story to be taken seriously, he was just taking the piss writing stupid edgy stuff. The artists on the other hand, they did phenomenal work and took it very seriously
I thought that too tbh and i thought about it like this: Traditionally Mjolnir's sense of worth comes from righteousness and redeeming qualities such as stoicism, prosperity, empathy, might, and whatever else that the universe deems as heroic. Throughout ruins it becomes vaguely apparent that the universe is vanquishing and slaughtering all of its abnormalities in the theme of spite or contradiction. So vicariously the hands of that soldier killing Thor are worthy because they represent the downfall of whats traditionally a hero out of the ordinary. The most worthwhile thing in the universes eyes seems to be torment and the lack of good, so any rampant soul is worthy of wielding Mjolnir?
I like to think this Hammer is not going For worth but For pure power. You killed thor so you will be worthy to rise it but this will bring other contenders to kill each other For its power but in the end is just a cursed artifact that bring to death its own holder by attracting other People.
I think it's implied that maybe Phil's book is suppose to be like, the literal "Marvels" book. Like you said, he knows his world is fucked but maybe he's going to write something that could've been. Maybe the two stories arent opposites but they are connected in that way.
2:34 Honestly I can understand why he'd think this, I kinda stopped taking the story seriously when Jean Grey offers her body then Nick Fury shoots her, then himself immediately after. That scene was so absurdly edgy I found it kinda funny.
The marvel universe was always advertised as the real world with superheroes. They didn't just go on adventures, you got to see the unintended consequences of those adventures later on. Many of the greatest marvel stories involve discussions about whether gods in costumes exacting vigilante justice is a good idea or not. The X-men is built on the foundation of the people not wanting the heroes they have. Marvel ruins is the natural endpoint of this concept. Give everyone the real-world side effects of their superpowers and watch the chaos unfold. It's a horror comic first and foremost, but it's also a dark comedy about how fragile the universe is if something breaks the mold and pushes everything to its limit.
Super hero world sounds good on paper, but if was real, it would be horrifying, imagine living in the world where folks capable of destroying whole cities were just flying around fighting with other beings like them? For a normal person this would be horrible, i mean, at first folks would find this awesome, but given enough time, chaos will build up to the point people would be scared all the time, this is what happens with the X-men in a more localized scale, usually with muntant powers manifesting at young age, parents having to deal with sometimes horrible disfiguration, other times with destruction of property, then the government step in and do even MORE HARM than the mutants thenselves and voila, there is you racial motivator for hate. Saddly enough i never saw the X-men fully expand in this because they seem to be afraid to show the otherside of the story, the people that has to deal with the consequences of mutants powers going wrong.
@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976I agree. The comic were a misery porn but if you think a little further or "reaching", it kinda make sense in hindsight. Mutation and radiation aren't gonna gave you superpowers, it at best gonna give you a minor disease or at worse you just die horribly. Even the author himself thought that this story were just a comedy because of how morbidly edgy it is, but the artists instead play it straight and make it completely serious.
You know what's really funny? Universal has section dedicated to Marvel and in 2002 as part of it's annual Halloween Horror Nights, decided to turn it into Island Under Siege where the story was Carnage who had been empowered by that year's host The Caretaker killed all the superheroes and now it's a free for all with villains roaming about the streets and The Punisher having been driven mad. Marvel got pissed that Universal did this and forbid them from doing it again. The irony being that Ruins existed before that and five years later would make Marvel Zombies.
I was thinking, while this predates House of M, it's interesting that Xavier is President and Wanda is on his side. I feel like the "why" to the Ruins universe is that evil Xavier pulled a House of M.
The background music you use for this video is incredible. It adds a somber ambience to this dissection of Marvel’s most depressing comics. Marvel Ruins is proof of the old saying, “This is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper.”
Something that came to my mind when I was watching this is that Sheldon dies when his optimism and hope for this world dies; once he realizes the source of his awful disease, Peter Parker, he becomes immediately bitter and hateful, almost like this nightmare world finally claimed him in its corruption before mercifully killing him.
Okay but side note; I still think peter got his "powers" from the spider-bite. Did you see how buff he was in the one shot where he was still healthy? In his actual origin he's skinny as all hell until he gets bitten by the spider, then he just gets... Built. Perhaps he was just never able to capitalize on his powers because of the fact that he had a raging mutant skin eating virus 😹
to be fair, peter in the comics only got built because of how much physical activity he was doing, the whole thing that he gets built after getting his powers didn't really start until the raimi movies i think
I can see Peni Parker, Miles, and Gwen being warned by Miguel or Noir that this universe is off limits and it's spiderman is doomed & infectious. He is never going to be asked to join the spidermen or he'll just end up starting the painful deaths of other spidermen form worlds with more hope than his own.
I imagine to the Spider Society, they can't even go to that universe without the risk witnessing the bleak horrors of a world where heroes and villains die, or worse the laws of that universe will slowly and painfully kill them.
@@tsuneomccormick115Facts. That and I can also see Miguel avoiding this universe himself in belief that the bad luck could transfer to other universes, which could doom the entire multiverse.
I remember hearing about Marvel Ruins years ago. The dark tone of this series reminds me of Twisted Metal: Black. It too was a dark and twisted take on the original games.
Just to think phil contracted that disease from peter earlier he hugged that girl who gave him flowers wouldn’t that little girl and her parents contract that disease as well🫢😰
Used to have this comic it was interesting as a teenager. As an adult I really do think it's a interesting dark interpretation of what could have happened to these Heroes that's really all I can say about it now
The first art style was so gorgeous! thank god I didnt find these when I was younger cuz when I was a kid I didnt understand that there were "other universes", spiderman was just spiderman and seeing him like this would have disturbed me badly, when I was a kid I read an iron man comic that was an off shoot with a horrific ending and it messed me up cuz I didnt understand that it was separate from the normal Iron man lol
While I’m not particularly the biggest fan of the story itself, credit where credit is due for the amazing artwork across this mini-series. Some genuinely haunting paintings make this comically edgy story into something that I can appreciate in some way
I imagine Deadpool in this universe. He just has regular cancer. He knows what the world is really supposed to be like but because he really doesn’t like being alive as much as he is he is ok with it. He would rather slowly get Cancer than instantly get Cancer and never die. He doesn’t care about everyone else because because it won’t be his problem anymore.
I swore I read somewhere that the reason for the change in artists was deadline related. The Nielsens were taking too long with the art and so a change was made with someone who could get the job done in time. I so love RUINS. Great video on what I consider a modern day comic book classic.
I would like to assume that the reason they gave Peter cracked skin was in reference to the other realities where he made a suit and got powers and the design is ment to replicate the webs on the suit
I think that's exactly what they were going for. He never got powers and he never became Spider-Man, but to parallel the hero he was supposed to be, his skin became red and had a web like rash, his pupils turned white and he was nearly bald, so it resembles his Spider-Man suit.
@@alexandercorbett1147But without context, you would think it was Deadpool without his costume since he kind of looks like how Wade looks like without his mask in the 616 comics.
My theory is that Sheldon is having a nightmare, and that’s what we are seeing here. That’s why he knows something is off in this universe, his subconscious is trying to tell him it’s a dream, but he has not woken up yet
I've had this comic on my mind since I read it. It just isn't something you forget about. I don't know if I've ever read a more depressing and miserable story. Likewise, I find it difficult to see how Warren Ellis intended for this to be a comedy. On the surface you can understand that the powers these characters have is absurd, and then flip them on their head in parody to poke fun at how they would really be. However, this isn't a cute cartoon where Spider-Man is crawling around eating flies. It's so morbid and awful that I just can't find the humor in it. It's incredible how fascinating this story is. It just captivates the mind in a way that few comics can. Good video. Looking forward to the streams.
Apparently it's meant to be a parody because Ellis never intended it to be taken seriously. Half the bad things that happen in it were just the stupidest, edgiest things he could think of in about five minutes. Like, he thinks the _whole book_ is stupid. Cap's a cannibal. Johnny Blaze sets himself on fire and dies screaming, but also his bike keeps going for hours with his dead, burning corpse on it. Fury says he's interested in Phil's book and then immediately shoots himself. Thor is a real superhero with real powers who died in a missile attack and also a crazy person who thinks he can channel a god. It's aiming for being so insanely depressing that it loops back around to being comedic. It reads like the grouchy ramblings of a teenager who read Watchmen once and now thinks everything has to be edgy and dark and bleak and sexual and violent and deconstructive (so Zack Snyder, heyoooo!), and it attracted a fanbase that takes it seriously because of course it did. Well, that's what Ellis says anyway.
@@ToaArcanEven so, to put this much detail and effort into a joke, almost makes you question just how much of a joke it really is. Don't get me wrong tho, some of the things here are absurdly funny like Ghost Rider, but what happened to Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine isn't even funny, it's just tragic.
@@carlosjavier771that’s because the artists are not Warren Ellis and based on what you see here, they took it very seriously. It’s essentially a writer making the most ridiculous, stupid and edgy comic plot he could think of and then the artists taking it in a very artistic and serious direction. As a result, all the normies who don’t read literature for shit just assume the story matches the art’s quality, gaslighting themselves into thinking that it’s a statement about the world right now when really it was just Ellis taking the piss
You should do a Video on Kravens last hunt. Its without a doubt one of the darkest spiderman comics appearing during an age where that was the norm. And still the comic manages to be even darker than most
Another great video about a cruddy person with undeniable talent. Glad you mentioned this one! Since you talked about A Serious House on a Serious Earth, have you thought about giving Arkham Asylum: Living Hell a read? It the second one that inspired the Arkham games and also introduced us to Aaron Cash, but the highlight of the story is the utterly creepy Jane Doe, her and their version of Humpty Dumpty.
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The ending made me feel so defeated. I wanted Phil to finish his book before dying. We spend all this time seeing this death and depression so he can write this book. I got hopeful he would find an answer by the end but then he just dies, in an alley with no one bating an eye at it. It makes you feel powerless as all Phil's hard work flies away. I genuinely cried the first time I read it. Great comic but it really messes you up. I guess the comedy part comes from the end and seeing all that be for nothing. It's a cosmic joke no one finds funny.
The music you tend to go with fits perfectly for this as well as your video on The Crow. Props to you and keep up the good work. Ruins genuinely saddens me because it reminds me a lot of our own world, but I suppose that's the point.
man the crow is just sad. I mostly can take a lot of dark stuff but nothing hurts more than a what if. Their relationship was cut short and basically the last thing she saw was ugly dudes R@ping her. Man that just sucks.
Amazing videos, btw i recommend the punisher max comics if you havent read em, generally all of garth Ennis' punisher runs are stellar. It's both the definitive version of the character and one of the most top tier comic runs ever made imo. Would love to hear your thoughts on it in a future video
How can you mention Ellis without mentioning Transmetropolitan, it is both his most brilliant series and an indictment of everything he is as a person. Also it is worth note that Seal was the guest speaker at a protest group and got roped into the Chicago 8. He was a target of the FBI and they were going to get him anyway they could. And of course Ellis gives him a giant Afro.
Loved this video, didn’t know this comic existed until now. A dark comic/ manga id love for you to check out is Remina by Junji Ito, it’s pretty grim and it’s basically… well imagine if Galactus was a Lovecraftian planet and there weren’t any superheroes to fight him. Story also gets a bit weird/silly at parts though
@@bananatiergod haven’t read Uzumaki yet, and I’m kinda new to Junji Ito myself. So far I’ve read Lovesickness, Venus in the Blind Spot (both are short story collections, my favorite is Lovesickness, though I loved one story in Venus a lot more called The Enigma Of Amigara Fault), and Remina. Definitely planning on reading Uzumaki soon though
Call me crazy, but my reaction to this isn't misery. It's hope. Everything that went wrong did. That's such a fragile state of affairs. Every single day is a bad day, and that's the reason why things are the way they are. I couldn't help but reach the ending and think "but tomorrow could still be the best day ever". Just one real marvel - even an ordinary marvel, without anything paranormal involved - could make a better world. Just one single good day could change everything.
I believe when Ellis calls it a comedy, it’s a very dark humor. Like, it’s all so bad and sad, all you can do is laugh. When the worst thing that COULD happen, happens, “isn’t that funny?”
i’ve never seen a deep analysis on this run, only ever like 10 minute videos. thank you for this it’s an amazing video ❤ definitely gained a new viewer. time to binge your videos
it would've been funny if everyone in this verse suffered except Peter. It would have implied that if Peter doesn't suffer then the rest of the universe has to
Batman: Red Rain and Wolverine: Weapon X: Insane In The Brain are two comics I think you'd like too. Especially the Wolverine comic, it has great art, and shows a more vulnerable side of Wolverine. As for Red Rain, it Batman as a vampire... I mean, its doesn't get much better than that... Also, any planes to cover Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Sandman, or Batman: Damned?
I get that it’s a parody of Marvels. But if you think about it, it’s also how it would be if you think about it. The Hulk would be a walking tumor. Frank Castle would die on a mission quickly. Wolverine would be cancerous, along with Spider-Man. Fury would be a crazy man. Nobody has that much experience without going crazy or having PTSD. The thing that turns me off is the addition of gods. I did like the Thor gag. But Galactus & Surfer kind of turned me off because of the setting and feeling of the story. It worked for Thor, but it didn’t work for the actual gods.
I think the chaos and calamity displayed in this comic is unique in one specific way: it can assuredly give you an appreciation for the heroes - and villains - and the struggles that they overcome. All it takes for some people is one bad day (DC reference, yayyyy) ( /^ω^)/♪♪
If you want recommendations on dark marvel comics, there are many that focus on the end of the world. There is "the end" anthology, particularly hulk, fantastic four, and punisher, old man logan, dark ages, and god of thunder. They all provide unique apocalyptic scenarios and how the characters face the end times. For the worst story about this, there is always ultimatum.
Marvel Ruins is amazing. The art is great. I own both issues and I feel like I own a cursed book or something because of how crazy the art looks. I’ve never see anything like it
You mentioned Chris Moeller has done MtG art, but didn't mention that Terese Nielsen was a prolific artist for MtG as well. She did the art for a massive amount of cards and was (until recently) a fan favorite for her unique style.
I don't read comics at all but as someone who grew up looking at Terese Nielson's works all the time, her works are surreal and incomparable to the styles similar to hers'. There's just no way to fully replicate her style and without losing that mysticism that Terese channels into her works.
36:28 one possible explanation is Time Travel. Like Zoom said in The Flashpoint Paradox, "You broke the time barrier, Flash, "time boom". Ripples of distortion radiated out through that point of impact, shifting everything just a tiny bit." There is a lot of time travel in the Marvel Universe. Caps cannibalism could have been caused by some absence of a time travel adventure that was supposed to happen or by the Temporal boom directly. Or maybe it was even Caps cannibalism itself that was the cause. Hes widely considered the spirit of America. Maybe he somehow socialized the wendigo curse? 🤔🤔🤔
I would love for you to cover the Marvels limited run now. I went and read it after this video and it blew me away. I'm also a sucker for Ross and his art. Great video!
I never really got into comics but watching this made me want to dive into the rabbit hole of comics. I also liked the music it really helped with the mood of this comic, just a great video tbh.
I think the tipping point that made it not a black comedy is the art style. If this was a garth ennis and steve dillon comic, as an example, the darkness could be funny. Im glad its like this.
Ive heard that the Hulk was based on Chu Chulain which was a Celtic "superhero" who would transform by turning himself inside out... This makes me believe it even more
That's a terrific analysis, glad I've found the channel! If the volume of the music carpet were a little lower your voice would come out clearer, tho, some times the audio is a tad muddled up because of that. Keep up the good work!
Quicksilver got one the worst faith. Having both your legs and arms cut off, basically removing your super power and the ability to live normally, and still being held in a cage.
OK, regarding your comment about DC's darker stories...eh, kinda disagree. For every DKR we got something like Elektra: Assassin. In particular, I would recommend: 1) on Daredevil - Miller's run . In particular, of course, Born Again. Waid's run is also basially about Matt being in denial that he is not OK. 2) On X-Men: Remender's X-Force which, while full of X-Men's weird lore is all about how CIA-style hit squads maybe don't really work and that the hitmen are actually damning themselves, however pure their intentions are. 3) Spider-Man: Child Within in particular and JM DeMatteis run on Spectacular Spider-Man in general. Masterful work on the characters that also made Harry as Green Goblin a deep and interesting character. 4) And, while it kinda doesn't fit with the rest of them, Danny O'Neil's excellent run on Iron Man. It starts kinda rough, but it deals with an issue of relapsing alcoholic in a very mature way (saying that as a guy who had alcoholics in the family). #182 in particular one of my favorite single issues
Yeah but to match that there was always Injustice, Dark Knight Metal, Justice League Dark, literally any issue of Hellblazer was really down, Kingdom Come, Red Son, and Watchmen are also all very dark. It’s objective that DC has far more “darker” storylines by contrast and their dark story lines are WAY worse than Marvel’s “dark” storylines. Watchmen alone has to do with rape, murder, child murder, the injustices that could come with superheroes being allowed to do as they wish, and the outcomes of Gods walking among men and men wanting to be Gods.
People always like to say marvel is humans trying to play god while dc are gods trying to play humans and then say crap like dc is more down to earth and relatable which is just bs
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@into what is the background music in the beginning of the video? Thank you!
@@april-bloom It's a Lofi called Poly Coffe
@@IntotheDepths511 thank you! You have great tastes
17:20 you might want to correct that
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What made this extra tragic was the fact that Phil was somehow aware that this was the worst case scenario for the Marvel universe. Seeing dark takes on iconic heroes is nothing new but they always came across as morbidly funny, like Old Man Logan or some other elseworld stories. But having the main character feel like they were just a few hairs away from a better world just makes it hurt and with the audience knowing that things are better in other stories immediatly makes you feel bad
Would it work? There's no inbetween of Hulk either becoming a hero or a mutant monster because of the gamma bomb.
Well, to be honest Ruins Hulk is more realistic than Canon Hulk. Especially with current retcons involving Marvel Satan, The end of time, and whatever the fuck Starship Hulk is supposed to be.
@@aliastheabnormal nah both are unrealistic since he'd still just die because of the sheer heat of a gamma bomb.
This is Marvel if they where in a hell reality, dang that dark and tragic
@@joezar33 At least Mephisto wasn't able to ruin Spider man... Because he's dead.
even the happier moment of phil hugging the child is still very messed up because in doing so he probably transferred the spider disease onto her.
WTF. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!😭that's so messed up.
BROOOO WHY TF WOULD YOU SAY THAT NOOOOOO. Coping that only Peter can transfer it now
@dippindots1147 on the bright side atleast he's taking down some horrendous people in this comic like kingpin. Since he had contact with him, which means that kingpin also caught the virus. Too bad he couldn't get close to Charles Xavier🥲
1-The disease was noticeably weaker on him then it was on Peter.
2-He didn't touch her skin.
@@brunowillich1837 didn't he hug her?
The craziest part is the art detail in Peter parker, his skin condition echoing the suit he would've worn with white and black eyes, spider webs around his body. Instead of spreadin hope he spreads disease. Crazy detail.
You can also see his left hand looks similar to how it does whenever he shoots a web
It's like the virus mocks him with it's pattern, mocking him for thinking that a spider could be an answer, alas it becomes a curse.
Considering that The Punisher had no mutation or radiation or anything else to give him power, it was a nice choice to show him just dead. Especially knowing that he was one of the strongest characters, and yet something was dark enough to get him killed. Even tho he had no powers that could have gone wrong. The worst thing that could have happened in this context, is him actually just dying.
despite his heroic feats he's still just a man, and all it takes is a few bullets to take one of those down
@@PeptoAbismol It takes a lot more than a few bullets to take Frank Castle down. If you didn't know, he also becomes Cosmic ghost rider in another comic, after fighting Thanos and making a deal with Mephisto
@@FivesFigurestrue, but (don’t quote me on this) I’m pretty sure he was just shot to death in ruins. Plain and simple, got riddled with bullets
@@FivesFigures that's a different Frank. the one who doesn't get shot to death in a universe where everything is fucked up.
If the Punisher ever actually existed in real life during a time where the mafia was more prominently around, then he'll be assassinated quicker than you think. All they need is his face then they'll send in loads of enforcers watch him 24/7 and then blow him away the moment he steps outside or even set a bomb in his car.
the reveal of what happens to peter parker is interesting. from my interpretation, it shows the most hopeful hero in marvel (imo) be a catalyst in the protagonist's horrifying death.
The weird thing is that all super heroes stories has these characters like Parker.
Mr Freeze is the opposite of getting ice powers.
And other supervillains are simply villains cause their mutation was an accident that destroyed them, like Green Goblin. Imagine if it didn't make him insane.
But this is just Tuesday for peter parker, he always suffers.
@@blackmonarch2380💀💀💀
Everything comes back to Spider-Man. If Spider-Man gets fucked up in your Marvel universe something seriously bad is going to happen.
It's the reason Deadpool kills him first.
@@xavierkazoo1619if ur talking abt the deadpool kills the marvel universe, doesnt he kill the fantastic four first
I love the theory that Ben Grimm not going on the ship with the F4 is what caused this universe to go awry. Because of marvel’s sliding time scale for its continuity, the beginning of the universe is always the F4. Of course history happened before that, but Spider-Man was always bitten like 5 years after the F4 got their powers for an example. So if the basis for the marvel universe is comprised then so will the rest of the this world.
But that still doesn't explain cannibal Captain America & Fury, and fascist Bucky..
@@SidheKnight when there’s a single point in a timeline that is considered absolute like the creation of F4, events then start to form both before and after to make sure that event happens. So if Ben Grimm doesn’t get on the ship, history then needs to change so that he never gets on the ship.
@@dayalx So.. basically Bruce Wayne's Spaghetti theory of time travel from The Flash movie? Got it.
@@SidheKnight I have not seen the flash movie yet, is it worth the watch??
@@dayalx I suppose it's worth it, as a conclusion to the DCEU. It's enjoyable, but not enough to watch it more than once.
I was never a big fan of the DCEU, so I'm glad it's over. But the movie made me laugh and some good moments, and some nice cameos.
at the beginning of the video you were pondering how Ellis could’ve written this as a “comedy” when it’s so brutal and depressing, but it’s actually fairly simple. This book developed a following of people how are genuinely fascinated by its edge and grim but Ellis thought this book was stupid. Everything was so ridiculously depressing and dry of inspiration that he couldn’t help but laugh at how stupid it really was. Sheldon’s narration is meant to be taking itself too seriously and things like Cap being a cannibal or Johnny Blaze killing himself with a stunt were concepts he came up with in half a second trying to be overtly edgy.
I think the reason why this vision didn’t really stick with people though is probably the art. Matching what is meant to be corny and overdramatized narration with the most gut-wrenching art you’ve ever seen doesn’t exactly scream “this book isn’t meant to be taken seriously”
Yeah, sometimes you end up with stories that kinda just make you wonder 😅 like, bro, what even is this
Still, it's an interesting concept, if many Marvel heroes ended up in a rather unceremoniously ended life.
It was honestly a bit hard to get through the video just cause this guy is being so serious about everything when it's like so ridiculously edgy that it makes me laugh. It's like if a 15 year old got really mad and started scribbling all the worse things he could think of in his diary and then somebody read it being super serious.
@@pintolerance785I think you missed the point lol. The Author himself is the one who finds it edgy and silly. The wider Marvel community think the art turns it into a dark masterpiece. Most people indeed take this story very seriously. I simply don’t like body horror so I don’t really have a stake in this battle lol.
@@haydenfarstead7024 I loved this alternate reality. Would make a great unique animated film
It's like Davinci calling his human sketch a fart joke.
It's too detailed and serious to be a joke.
The author: I intentionally made this comic to be so edgy that it's funny lol.
The artists: *draws some of the most hauntingly beautiful pieces of art that will be remembered for decades*
Like the author of watchmen... or the author of the boys.... they try to be edgy and accidentily created masterpieces. Even if they dont recognize them as such
Brutal and intense. There is a death that stuck with me..Iron man's in which his suit malfunctioned, and he screamed for hours inside like a statue. As depressive the deaths are, they are comedically ironic. I think that's what makes this work so well as a twisted take on classically clean approachable look marvel garnered over the years.
ironically this isn't the first time Tony died this way.
In Avengers vs Marvel Universe his armor malfunctions and he gets stuck and eventually becomes a statue in the middle of the city when the cannibals take over
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@@twoursI think that's a lot of people's fear is getting trapped somewhere and not being able to get out its built-in rdna I think
I think your're confused, in ruins iron man dies when the ship is shot down, iron man dies the way your're describing in punisher kills the marvel universe
If this ever got adapted, it should be in the style of a documentary.
The mix of VHS footage and low quality photos would enhance the experience and feel more believable.
Marvel meets V.H.S. I’m good with that lol.
While it’s a cool idea wasn’t the last ‘punchline’ of the comic that for all he saw it didn’t make a difference because he never got to write what he saw?
That would actually be pretty fantastic.
Great idea, but as we all know, Hollywood can't make documentaries. Look what happened to WWZ. It was a great book, but they completely broke everything that was unique and interesting and made it another horror movie. I liked it well enough, but was majorly disappointed by it at the same time.
That's a great idea.
31:44 In the 616 Marvel comics, Donald Blake is actually a human host that was created by Odin to be the host for Thor.
Right I was gonna say this cuz it’s not a Continuity error they just showed both thors
@@datfrogjjI'd say it is a continuity error, the short excerpt for Donald Blake writes it as tho Thor is some niche Norse figure and not a past hero.
@@datfrogjj Also I'm not sure the dead thor with the avengers was the real one, the soldier picked up his hammer, he was probably some strong mutant or hero using his name.
@@albyt3403 This is some kind of reverse universe, maybe hammer here can be picked up only by unworthy peolpe?
@@Artemas_16 Or maybe, it's just another hammer here
17:17 - the context is showing that as opposed to the Kree's own nuclear weapons going off, they were targeted by supposedly multiple human nations and immediately nuked by them.
To think Silver Surfer prevented the Kree Conquest , you could theorize that God and his Angel saved Humanity lol
Ben Grimm saying that "It could have been different if I had piloted it" actually broke me
Lines like that and lot of dialogue with reflective thought make me think the comic actually wants to be taken seriously but the writer is on damage control saying its just dark comedy to cover up for possible bad critics calling him way too edgy
The fact they snuck in the classic spidey hand pose makes me chuckle every time I see that panel. Stuff like that really makes the dark comedy of the comic stand out to me
It is so ironic that despite the author's intention to make the edgiest parody of Marvel possible, the brilliant artwork managed to turn that unbridled edge into something thought provoking and haunting; all the merits this story has are almost completely independent of its author.
Man, this video will stay with me for a while. You couldn't have chosen a better song to match the visuals.
Tbh, Ellis also fails at writing a story that's twisted but funny. Ruins is a very depressing story, and one of my criticisms is that it's really just that - depressing, all edge and no point -, but it comes across as an earnest attempt at writing a tragedy.
Edgy comedy isn't just a bunch of horrible deaths: you gotta lean into the absurdity in a way that makes me laugh out of shock, not just think "man that's fucked up".
I know this is old. But to me this is a mirror to our world. There was a soviet soldier named Stanislav Petrov, who stood between civilization and nuclear apocalypse. What if he chose wrong? That is ruins. What if everything went wrong? That is the world of ruins. We should be happy about the great and small miracles we encounter, because they could've ruined us.
yeah that song definetly gave a eerie/paranomal vibe to the whole video, i liked it
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@davidepastore5600 personally I found it really lame and boring
One thing i also find ironic about Parker here, is that he is mostly portraited as the "Friendly Neighbourhood" Spider-Man, always close to people and spreading happines, but here, he spreads sickness, and must stay away all the time from people.
There's a theory that wanda wasn't affected by this universe because she has probability manipulation. So it wouldn't make sense if something bad happened to her.
She was affected in the fact she turned into a treacherous coward and sold out her former team and own brother just to save her own skin. No one is completely spared in this reality.
@@jdog5150Exactly
@@jdog5150technically....she is spared but her actions led to others being tortured and torturing her with guilt
@@jdog5150That's less something happening to her,and more her simply trying to cope with a timeline she would know is fucked.
Sure she was cowardly,but if you knew you were basically in the worst timeline you'd do whatever you could to help yourself.
@@bearandthebull2372not to mention all of her "friends" and "teammates" are horrible people in this world
i think that despite everything, the fact that bruce still saved rick despite the ungodly consequences- is oddly heartwarming. in the darkest marvel universe, there's still people who do the same selfless thing they always do
While it is dark and bitter, I really love the story of Marvel Ruins. I do wish there is more to the story to explore the aspect of what made the world go wrong. To either see if the world could be "saved" or if there is hope.
Yeah a resolution to this universe would make this a good story.
@@Gamfluent I wouldn't say it's earth rules applying. By all means the story is anything but realistic, just the worst-case scenario. Which may seem edgy on the surface. For that world, I won't say heroism is dead, instead hope is.
Granted, on my part, I am reaching. So take that with a bucket of salt.
@@kato856 Not every story needs a resolution, I would just enjoy to see more of how things turn out.
@@Sneeds_Feed_And_Seed69 Nah they do, it feels incomplete otherwise cause we don't know what actually made the universe this way and it's presented as a mystery at the start.
@@Gamfluent Nah a radioactive spider wouldn't give you a mutant virus, it wouldn't even do anything cause it lacks enough radiation to harm your DNA. Hulk would just die if he received a gamma blast.
I'm surprised no one pointed out that peter is essentially a cruel parody of his hero costume, red skin with wep patterns, white eyes with large black outlines. All that's missing the blue of his costume
Also, look at his left hand while he holds the blanket
Peter, the friendly neighborhood spider-man, brings disease and death to everyone near him. Tragically ironic.
That artwork was so sad
Blue would be something like exposed or otherwise visible veins
2:15 for some reason the "GOD FOUND DEAD IN SPACE" headline is so funny to me
What I like most about this is that theres no imminent threat to save the world from some super dark evil like in batman metal. Even though the world isn't literally in ruins it definitely convays that feeling and the fact that so few people realize how bad things truly are adds so much to it.
Who said so? What about evil president Professor X? "ARE YOU A MUTANT, PHILL?"
@@efxnews4776 That's certainly bad but he's not trying to destroy or enslave the whole world. There's no imminent threat to mankind.
@@yankeehussar3614 who said so? Are you really sure about that? Remember we are talking about the most powerful telepath in the world, one that seems to be obssesed with power, what could stop him from enslave the whole world? Let me see... another very powerful telepath? A shame Jean Grey got a bullet in her head by a very unstable Nick Fury that start to rambling right after he kill himself about some mutant non-sense...
@@efxnews4776 Okay sure. But for now he's not really doing that much.
@@efxnews4776Just a normal president.... X'D
Found this guy literally an hour ago from the Arkham asylum video and am astonished that this guy has such quality videos and only have so few. Keep it up!
Welcome aboard!
If you haven't seen it, I recommend his video on the Crow. Was my first exposure to him and it was wonderful.
That literally happened to me right now.
@@IntotheDepths511yeh cnd you imagine if marvel made ghiscwould be like marvel nightmare world
As someone who was struck with severe Pure OCD at 17, the theme of this comic resonates with me. I feel like my life was full of happiness, hope, light and joy until that day and it has been a cold, dark shell of itself for over a decade since then. I feel like it wasn't supposed to be like this. I remember when it wasn't like this. I'm only now starting to find some happiness in life despite it through sheer will.
Going on 8 years for me..... Maybe I have some form of OCD too. But I do believe there is hope for us. Anything in particular happen to you?
@@anthonyf616 OCD, especially the form I have which is called Pure OCD is a living nightmare because it can strike out of nowhere and make you terrified of things happening to you or people you love or even make you feel like you're the lowest form of life on Earth through extreme guilt and shame through mental images, thoughts, feelings, and urges which can last for years or even decades while your brain terrifies you into constantly trying to solve the imaginary problem it's giving you. I compare it to the scene from A Clockwork Orange where the main character is forced to watch images that torture him but instead of it coming from somewhere else it's your own brain doing it to you. I'm not exaggerating when I say I have barely survived it for this long and it has caused long term damage and PTSD for me.
What happened to you bro
What happened on that day?
Pov you related but you don't have ocd. I hope everything is good for you today, Denton
I like how one of the only characters who doesn’t have a super tragic back story is Ben grimm considering how tragic his story already is in the comics.
Ben has to live with the guilt of thinking if he was with Reed and the rest he could’ve done something. Not as bloody and gross as the rest of what happens but still messed up and depressing in its own right.
@@thomasraines1396no guilt. He wasn't best friends with Reed in this universe. All I picked up was his sense of pride kicked in and made him think he could've piloted better than Doom.
@@gesarts3625 doesn’t matter if he was best friends with him, the thought that he could’ve saved them and with his sad expression shows he felt guilt. He wasn’t approaching the situation with a sense of pride.
That means that deadpool probably has a really good life in this
@@capybara455 You just reminded me of him
The Nick Fury section of the plot had me rolling laughing. He reminisces on cannibal acts with Captain America, shoots Jean Grey after being randomly solicited for s*x, and then shoots himself in the head in that exact order? And then the protagonist walks away and almost trips over the dead body of the Punisher just laid out in some street somewhere? Come on, that’s comedy gold
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I thought the punisher was the most realistic part and the avengers plane getting blown up.
This is what's got me looking for it now. Ngl
@@mothman6895 elaborate lol. Because if you think a story where Jean Grey, who reads minds, would let a guy walk up to her and shoot her to death is not in jest…I completely disagree with you
@@Skyx5m50 I guess the video skipped over it but why did he die? Maybe I wasn’t paying attention but it seemed totally random to me
In a world of the worst things imaginable, the writers still manage to make peters fate the worst of them all, writers try not to make Peter's life a living hell challenge, failed again!
Peter can just never catch a break, huh?
I don't know, Bruce Banner got a pretty shitty deal. Atleast Peter's suffering will end. Bruce is still alive in that condition under a lake in a bunker according to Rick.
do you think that paul still shows up in this universe
I honestly wonder how a DC Universe version of Ruins would go. I can think of a few examples:
Barry Allen dies from getting struck by lightning rather than gaining superspeed and becoming the Flash.
Hal Jordan dies in his plane crash and doesn't become the new Green Lantern when the original owner of his ring dies on Earth. In fact there are no Green Lanterns from Earth as the world is so screwed over that there was no strong willpower for a ring to chose so the ring just goes back to the GL Corpse with the guardians deeming Earth is far to gone that protecting it would be pointless.
Billy Batson would never become Shazam, rather he is already grown up but suffers from severe case of Peter Pan syndrome therefore still acting like a kid and likes to play superhero.
Kent Nelson suffers from a case of schizophrenia and wears makeshift helmet to help "supress the voices in his head", seeing how it somehow suceed he sees himself as a "doctor" this way, but the moment his helmet is removed he will go mad again.
Diana as well as the other amazons on her island end up becoming so isolated from the world that their resources begin to become scarce, going mad from starvation that they would either cannabalize each other or make sacrificial ritutals to appeal to the Gods they worship in hope to be sparred from their doom.
Bruce Wayne might still grow up to become a billionaire but unfortunately might end up getting corrupted like most of the other rich folk in Gotham and might become mayor, a feared one in fact that he has propaganda posters him of everywhere saying "I am watching you." Or something to make sure no one commits crimes again which he punishes citizens over the smallest little things to show his corruption further. He would then be given the nickname "The Bat".
Lastly Ka-El along with Kara were killed before they could be launched off Krypton therefore all Kryptonians are extinct, without Superman there was no hope, so everything went to hell.
That actually sounds pretty interesting
Someone on Reddit wrote a REALLY good DC Ruins. So much so, I'm convinced they're warren Ellis is disguise.
warren ellis just likes dark stories @@shawnhoelscher1440
One important thing that can't be overlooked is that story's version of Phil. We went through the story with him hoping he'd find out what went wrong and that he writes his book. He did neither, but he was still important. Maybe a dark Lois could phil that role?
isn't a Flashpoint a DC version of Ruins?
What I actually found most interesting about this comic was how it is seeing the marvel universe (granted, one where things that could go wrong, did) was all from a normal person’s perspective.
This is what I’ve always wished for and we do see this from time to time. E.g. one of the best Spider-Man issue. The one where he saves a kid and helps him with homework, but then is killed. It’s mostly done in a interview, documentary perspective, with a good chunk being from the mum and other relevant people.
This can make a fictional, and even possibly comedic world building feel real.
So, despite this being another ‘dark and inglorious’ version of a world we love, this perspective used makes it feel less like it’s just done for the sake of making a gross version, but truly showing the feeling of powerlessness in that world, and the dread.
Funny thing is..this is done for the sake of dark comedy. Everyone dies by the thing that could have made them hero. Silver Surfer dies from being an angel. Spider Man dies of cancer from a radioactive spider. and on and on and on
what storyline is the Spider-Man you mentioned?
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The thing i love most about this story is the artwork
I dont have any other way to describe it other than this: the art looks like pain. It reflects the world perfectly in how everything was so close to being okay
16:45 just a note, the Silver Surfer wasn’t once a human, he was an alien from the species Zenn-Lavian
But this is another world. With another silver surfer
@@sybrenkruijf8570That’s true, but in the section of the video that he referenced, the dude’s talking about the Surfer’s origin. It’s far from the only thing he got wrong in this video…
Honestly Marvel Ruins feels more like a violent rejection of both heroes and villains, each of them meeting horrific fates for trying to change such a horrifiying world, a universe so wrong and bleak that the people in it can only dream of better tomorrows.
i like a dark story, but to me ruins just feels cheap. its subversive, sure, but to what end? what does it actually say? it just feels to me like some edgy bullshit, like someone is going "euhhhh, actually, if those things in comics happened they wdnt get powers theyd just die" like it just has so much pointless hatred in it. like someone saw the darkness of a lot of 80s comics suddenly being offset by something upbeat like marvels and decided they had to undermine it. great video though, even if it isnt a story i personally enjoy you did a great job discussing it.
That's actually the point of the story. That's the readon why it's labeled as a comedy because the writer himself thought it was overly edgy garbage. It was never meant to be realistic, it was just supposed to be "everything goes wrong just because it can."
@@inspectorjavert9868I get your point. But I think it's kinda invalidated by how straight they play it
@@chikovida10 They don't play it straight. The readers took it straight.
I agree. It feels like its trying too hard to wink at the audience
@@ShaggyDabbyDank It captured a zeitgeist.
I can totally see the "dark comedy" elements in this. So many of this fates have a clear twisted irony to them. And the art makes it all the more visceral.
Like a literal goddess being murdered working as roadside prostitute.
Ghost riders fate is a clear example of this 😂
Reading “Ruins” after you’ve just read “Marvels” is both bizarre and utterly depressing
You know how things should be, how much potential this world actually had, and you get to join Sheldon and watch the world devour itself alive instead
Luckily, that also works the other way around. Reading Ruins first and then Marvels feels like waking up from a nightmare
@@docrofreborn7497, you hopeful light in the dark, I had not read "Marvels" until I saw this comment.
This is the only Marvel comic i've read due to my friends saying how weird it is, this is the only Marvel Universe i know.
It's wild that as a Marvel guy I haven't heard of Ruins... but before you even said it I was like, "This is Warren Ellis, isn't it?"
The guy has typecast HIMSELF, so predicatable.
I could be reading your comment wrong. Is this a criticism of Ellis? Or just a statement? I have no knowledge of Ellis. Could you please elaborate?
Personally im not the biggest fan of the story ive always leaned more towards hopeful uplifitng stories but this was just pure edge to me. I read this before the pandemic and it just shook me. The art is great and haunting even if i dont like the story a whole lot. My least favorite thing to come from all this is people saying how this is the realistic version of Marvel and that annoys me to no end. Not everything is hopeless and dark like Ruins its just the worst possible outcome for everything and not what would actually happen
you got a lot to learn
@@I_am_a_cat_ boy shut up. "everything sucks" go outside dimwit it's great out there. there's a lot of bad but there's so much good.
@@I_am_a_cat_nah, that's you if you think that the world we're currently living in is the worst case scenario then you've gotta be 14 years old.
Ruins is WAY too edgy to the point of being comedic like just terrible things happen for just no reason, Captain America became a cannibal... uh okay? What if Spider Man got cancer... uh okay?
What if Silver Surfer exploded... uh okay?
What if Galactis starved... uh okay?
Like the ruin comic series doesn't give you anything to think about like, "Yeah I guess it would suck if superheroes just got cancer or randomly died."
Anybody who says Ruins is the realistic version of Marvel is a clown.
@@pintolerance785 Spider-Man one makes some sense because it's a radioactive spider that bit him so in reality he'd become diseased, the Johnny Blaze one is pretty stupid though imo
I somewhat interpret the ending as a literal interpretation of the "Marvel Ruins" universe being abandoned by god which is kinda seen with the dead galactus image and headline. Really hits on your point of death being everywhere and that in this universe regardless of your intentions or motives a horrible existence and death awaits. Great video though, never heard of this series so learnt something new!
I’m just extremely baffled by the fact that some random soldier managed to pic up Mjolnir with no issue, like how exactly? It’s the guy “Worthy” or the universe decided to deplete the hammer’s power?
The answer is that Ellis didn’t write this story to be taken seriously, he was just taking the piss writing stupid edgy stuff. The artists on the other hand, they did phenomenal work and took it very seriously
I thought that too tbh and i thought about it like this: Traditionally Mjolnir's sense of worth comes from righteousness and redeeming qualities such as stoicism, prosperity, empathy, might, and whatever else that the universe deems as heroic. Throughout ruins it becomes vaguely apparent that the universe is vanquishing and slaughtering all of its abnormalities in the theme of spite or contradiction. So vicariously the hands of that soldier killing Thor are worthy because they represent the downfall of whats traditionally a hero out of the ordinary. The most worthwhile thing in the universes eyes seems to be torment and the lack of good, so any rampant soul is worthy of wielding Mjolnir?
Because “Thor” in this reality is just Donald Blake after suffering a really bad shroom trip, the hammer was just an ordinary hammer.
I like to think this Hammer is not going For worth but For pure power. You killed thor so you will be worthy to rise it but this will bring other contenders to kill each other For its power but in the end is just a cursed artifact that bring to death its own holder by attracting other People.
@@airproci the hammer was just an ordinary hammer in this reality.
I think it's implied that maybe Phil's book is suppose to be like, the literal "Marvels" book. Like you said, he knows his world is fucked but maybe he's going to write something that could've been. Maybe the two stories arent opposites but they are connected in that way.
Read this a couple weeks ago and some of the deaths were kinda dumb but the art and body horror makes it very disturbing and depressing.
2:34 Honestly I can understand why he'd think this, I kinda stopped taking the story seriously when Jean Grey offers her body then Nick Fury shoots her, then himself immediately after. That scene was so absurdly edgy I found it kinda funny.
The marvel universe was always advertised as the real world with superheroes. They didn't just go on adventures, you got to see the unintended consequences of those adventures later on. Many of the greatest marvel stories involve discussions about whether gods in costumes exacting vigilante justice is a good idea or not. The X-men is built on the foundation of the people not wanting the heroes they have.
Marvel ruins is the natural endpoint of this concept. Give everyone the real-world side effects of their superpowers and watch the chaos unfold. It's a horror comic first and foremost, but it's also a dark comedy about how fragile the universe is if something breaks the mold and pushes everything to its limit.
Super hero world sounds good on paper, but if was real, it would be horrifying, imagine living in the world where folks capable of destroying whole cities were just flying around fighting with other beings like them?
For a normal person this would be horrible, i mean, at first folks would find this awesome, but given enough time, chaos will build up to the point people would be scared all the time, this is what happens with the X-men in a more localized scale, usually with muntant powers manifesting at young age, parents having to deal with sometimes horrible disfiguration, other times with destruction of property, then the government step in and do even MORE HARM than the mutants thenselves and voila, there is you racial motivator for hate.
Saddly enough i never saw the X-men fully expand in this because they seem to be afraid to show the otherside of the story, the people that has to deal with the consequences of mutants powers going wrong.
@@efxnews4776”When everyone is super, nobody is super”
"ReAlIsTiC" No it's a joyless husk of misery
@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976I agree.
The comic were a misery porn but if you think a little further or "reaching", it kinda make sense in hindsight.
Mutation and radiation aren't gonna gave you superpowers, it at best gonna give you a minor disease or at worse you just die horribly.
Even the author himself thought that this story were just a comedy because of how morbidly edgy it is, but the artists instead play it straight and make it completely serious.
You know what's really funny? Universal has section dedicated to Marvel and in 2002 as part of it's annual Halloween Horror Nights, decided to turn it into Island Under Siege where the story was Carnage who had been empowered by that year's host The Caretaker killed all the superheroes and now it's a free for all with villains roaming about the streets and The Punisher having been driven mad.
Marvel got pissed that Universal did this and forbid them from doing it again. The irony being that Ruins existed before that and five years later would make Marvel Zombies.
I was thinking, while this predates House of M, it's interesting that Xavier is President and Wanda is on his side. I feel like the "why" to the Ruins universe is that evil Xavier pulled a House of M.
that makes so much sense and why Phil/Nick remember and why he's ontop and everyone who could oppose him is gone
@@vinniequickMaybe it was House in Ruins
The background music you use for this video is incredible. It adds a somber ambience to this dissection of Marvel’s most depressing comics. Marvel Ruins is proof of the old saying, “This is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper.”
Something that came to my mind when I was watching this is that Sheldon dies when his optimism and hope for this world dies; once he realizes the source of his awful disease, Peter Parker, he becomes immediately bitter and hateful, almost like this nightmare world finally claimed him in its corruption before mercifully killing him.
Okay but side note; I still think peter got his "powers" from the spider-bite. Did you see how buff he was in the one shot where he was still healthy? In his actual origin he's skinny as all hell until he gets bitten by the spider, then he just gets... Built. Perhaps he was just never able to capitalize on his powers because of the fact that he had a raging mutant skin eating virus 😹
to be fair, peter in the comics only got built because of how much physical activity he was doing, the whole thing that he gets built after getting his powers didn't really start until the raimi movies i think
Id like to think that in this universe when involved with the spiderverse, no one is allowed in there
I can see Peni Parker, Miles, and Gwen being warned by Miguel or Noir that this universe is off limits and it's spiderman is doomed & infectious. He is never going to be asked to join the spidermen or he'll just end up starting the painful deaths of other spidermen form worlds with more hope than his own.
I imagine to the Spider Society, they can't even go to that universe without the risk witnessing the bleak horrors of a world where heroes and villains die, or worse the laws of that universe will slowly and painfully kill them.
@@tsuneomccormick115Facts. That and I can also see Miguel avoiding this universe himself in belief that the bad luck could transfer to other universes, which could doom the entire multiverse.
@@yassinefarah2423Maybe they locked Ruins and Zombies
@@carlosjavier771Wonder if he went this Canon Event Universe don't touch 😂😂😂
I think the cree being on a reservation was more of a specific metaphor about natives.... considering there's a huge tribe called the cree
Really? You figured that out by yourself?
@JohnSmith-yd5wq damn dude chill, I bet your a sweetheart in irl
@@maverickslastoddworld6476 got to admit that was a stupid comment
Cree and Blackfoot Native here, that was literally the first thing that came to my mind when I read that part.
I remember hearing about Marvel Ruins years ago. The dark tone of this series reminds me of Twisted Metal: Black. It too was a dark and twisted take on the original games.
I miss twisted metal so badly
Just to think phil contracted that disease from peter earlier he hugged that girl who gave him flowers wouldn’t that little girl and her parents contract that disease as well🫢😰
Used to have this comic it was interesting as a teenager. As an adult I really do think it's a interesting dark interpretation of what could have happened to these Heroes that's really all I can say about it now
The first art style was so gorgeous! thank god I didnt find these when I was younger cuz when I was a kid I didnt understand that there were "other universes", spiderman was just spiderman and seeing him like this would have disturbed me badly, when I was a kid I read an iron man comic that was an off shoot with a horrific ending and it messed me up cuz I didnt understand that it was separate from the normal Iron man lol
This comic has always been interesting to me, glad you're covering it! Amazing as always
While I’m not particularly the biggest fan of the story itself, credit where credit is due for the amazing artwork across this mini-series. Some genuinely haunting paintings make this comically edgy story into something that I can appreciate in some way
I imagine Deadpool in this universe. He just has regular cancer. He knows what the world is really supposed to be like but because he really doesn’t like being alive as much as he is he is ok with it. He would rather slowly get Cancer than instantly get Cancer and never die. He doesn’t care about everyone else because because it won’t be his problem anymore.
I swore I read somewhere that the reason for the change in artists was deadline related. The Nielsens were taking too long with the art and so a change was made with someone who could get the job done in time. I so love RUINS. Great video on what I consider a modern day comic book classic.
I would like to assume that the reason they gave Peter cracked skin was in reference to the other realities where he made a suit and got powers and the design is ment to replicate the webs on the suit
I think that's exactly what they were going for. He never got powers and he never became Spider-Man, but to parallel the hero he was supposed to be, his skin became red and had a web like rash, his pupils turned white and he was nearly bald, so it resembles his Spider-Man suit.
@@alexandercorbett1147But without context, you would think it was Deadpool without his costume since he kind of looks like how Wade looks like without his mask in the 616 comics.
@@alexandercorbett1147People say that this is like Spidey recognizing his fate
My theory is that Sheldon is having a nightmare, and that’s what we are seeing here. That’s why he knows something is off in this universe, his subconscious is trying to tell him it’s a dream, but he has not woken up yet
God I fuckin hope so
@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976
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Dr. Strange does say that dreams are a way your subconcious see your alternate selves lives so it could, in theory, make sense.
I've had this comic on my mind since I read it. It just isn't something you forget about. I don't know if I've ever read a more depressing and miserable story. Likewise, I find it difficult to see how Warren Ellis intended for this to be a comedy. On the surface you can understand that the powers these characters have is absurd, and then flip them on their head in parody to poke fun at how they would really be. However, this isn't a cute cartoon where Spider-Man is crawling around eating flies. It's so morbid and awful that I just can't find the humor in it.
It's incredible how fascinating this story is. It just captivates the mind in a way that few comics can.
Good video. Looking forward to the streams.
Yeah this wasn't good as a parody
Apparently it's meant to be a parody because Ellis never intended it to be taken seriously. Half the bad things that happen in it were just the stupidest, edgiest things he could think of in about five minutes. Like, he thinks the _whole book_ is stupid. Cap's a cannibal. Johnny Blaze sets himself on fire and dies screaming, but also his bike keeps going for hours with his dead, burning corpse on it. Fury says he's interested in Phil's book and then immediately shoots himself. Thor is a real superhero with real powers who died in a missile attack and also a crazy person who thinks he can channel a god. It's aiming for being so insanely depressing that it loops back around to being comedic. It reads like the grouchy ramblings of a teenager who read Watchmen once and now thinks everything has to be edgy and dark and bleak and sexual and violent and deconstructive (so Zack Snyder, heyoooo!), and it attracted a fanbase that takes it seriously because of course it did.
Well, that's what Ellis says anyway.
@@ToaArcanEven so, to put this much detail and effort into a joke, almost makes you question just how much of a joke it really is. Don't get me wrong tho, some of the things here are absurdly funny like Ghost Rider, but what happened to Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine isn't even funny, it's just tragic.
@@carlosjavier771that’s because the artists are not Warren Ellis and based on what you see here, they took it very seriously. It’s essentially a writer making the most ridiculous, stupid and edgy comic plot he could think of and then the artists taking it in a very artistic and serious direction. As a result, all the normies who don’t read literature for shit just assume the story matches the art’s quality, gaslighting themselves into thinking that it’s a statement about the world right now when really it was just Ellis taking the piss
@@Junya01The real life is absurd, just like it really....
You should do a Video on Kravens last hunt. Its without a doubt one of the darkest spiderman comics appearing during an age where that was the norm. And still the comic manages to be even darker than most
I would love to cover Kraven’s last hunt eventually
@@IntotheDepths511 Especially since the Kraven movie is coming out soon.
Another great video about a cruddy person with undeniable talent. Glad you mentioned this one!
Since you talked about A Serious House on a Serious Earth, have you thought about giving Arkham Asylum: Living Hell a read? It the second one that inspired the Arkham games and also introduced us to Aaron Cash, but the highlight of the story is the utterly creepy Jane Doe, her and their version of Humpty Dumpty.
Oh man, Jane Doe is such an underrated creepster. At least she finally gave Hush the kick in the ass nobody else could (besides the end of HoH ig)
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Yea the Silver Surf wasn't human before becoming a Herald of Galatcus. He was an alien with humanoid characteristics.
Yes I misspoke
The ending made me feel so defeated. I wanted Phil to finish his book before dying. We spend all this time seeing this death and depression so he can write this book. I got hopeful he would find an answer by the end but then he just dies, in an alley with no one bating an eye at it. It makes you feel powerless as all Phil's hard work flies away. I genuinely cried the first time I read it. Great comic but it really messes you up. I guess the comedy part comes from the end and seeing all that be for nothing. It's a cosmic joke no one finds funny.
Phil’s outlook that there has to be a better universe is the definition of dramatic irony
The fact he knew he was in the worst possible time-line makes it worse for me. He knows they were so close, but they got the short stick.
The music you tend to go with fits perfectly for this as well as your video on The Crow. Props to you and keep up the good work. Ruins genuinely saddens me because it reminds me a lot of our own world, but I suppose that's the point.
man the crow is just sad. I mostly can take a lot of dark stuff but nothing hurts more than a what if. Their relationship was cut short and basically the last thing she saw was ugly dudes R@ping her. Man that just sucks.
Do you know what song this is?
@@billymays8669 poly coffee
Amazing videos, btw i recommend the punisher max comics if you havent read em, generally all of garth Ennis' punisher runs are stellar. It's both the definitive version of the character and one of the most top tier comic runs ever made imo. Would love to hear your thoughts on it in a future video
Definitely agree with this dude you’ll love it
One of his only good runs imo a lot of his other series are overly edgy
"Did you got him?"
"Got him? Oh, you wouldn't belive what I had to go through to get this!"
*Shows Punisher's index finger*
Note: the characters that “know” something is wrong have one eye. Echoes of soothsaying/trial of Odin
"god found dead in space" that line went hard, can't wait to watch this vid 😎
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How can you mention Ellis without mentioning Transmetropolitan, it is both his most brilliant series and an indictment of everything he is as a person.
Also it is worth note that Seal was the guest speaker at a protest group and got roped into the Chicago 8. He was a target of the FBI and they were going to get him anyway they could. And of course Ellis gives him a giant Afro.
Came to the comments to say this.
I too was surprised he didn't mention Transmetropolitan as well.
@@myx9588he did mention it
What's Transmetropolitan?
@@marmorad4319 it's a comic book series created by Ellis. It follows a journalist named Spider Jerusalem
Loved this video, didn’t know this comic existed until now. A dark comic/ manga id love for you to check out is Remina by Junji Ito, it’s pretty grim and it’s basically… well imagine if Galactus was a Lovecraftian planet and there weren’t any superheroes to fight him. Story also gets a bit weird/silly at parts though
I love Remina! I would love to cover more Junji Ito in the future.
@@IntotheDepths511 I hope you do, he’s kinda becoming my favorite manga artist/author
To be fair, ALL of Junji Ito's stories are bleak as all hell. Uzumaki really takes the cake on this one.
@@bananatiergod haven’t read Uzumaki yet, and I’m kinda new to Junji Ito myself. So far I’ve read Lovesickness, Venus in the Blind Spot (both are short story collections, my favorite is Lovesickness, though I loved one story in Venus a lot more called The Enigma Of Amigara Fault), and Remina. Definitely planning on reading Uzumaki soon though
Call me crazy, but my reaction to this isn't misery. It's hope.
Everything that went wrong did. That's such a fragile state of affairs. Every single day is a bad day, and that's the reason why things are the way they are.
I couldn't help but reach the ending and think "but tomorrow could still be the best day ever".
Just one real marvel - even an ordinary marvel, without anything paranormal involved - could make a better world.
Just one single good day could change everything.
bro is the anti joker
It is a shame the art style changed. I can only imagine what Johnny blaze riding into the desert would have been like in that much darker style
I believe when Ellis calls it a comedy, it’s a very dark humor. Like, it’s all so bad and sad, all you can do is laugh. When the worst thing that COULD happen, happens, “isn’t that funny?”
i’ve never seen a deep analysis on this run, only ever like 10 minute videos. thank you for this it’s an amazing video ❤ definitely gained a new viewer. time to binge your videos
Deep analysis? How is reading through a book "analysis"??
@@sivawright you tell me
it would've been funny if everyone in this verse suffered except Peter.
It would have implied that if Peter doesn't suffer then the rest of the universe has to
"They say he suffers so less that there's a glowing bright yellow aura around him..."
Batman: Red Rain and Wolverine: Weapon X: Insane In The Brain are two comics I think you'd like too. Especially the Wolverine comic, it has great art, and shows a more vulnerable side of Wolverine.
As for Red Rain, it Batman as a vampire... I mean, its doesn't get much better than that...
Also, any planes to cover Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Sandman, or Batman: Damned?
I get that it’s a parody of Marvels. But if you think about it, it’s also how it would be if you think about it. The Hulk would be a walking tumor. Frank Castle would die on a mission quickly. Wolverine would be cancerous, along with Spider-Man. Fury would be a crazy man. Nobody has that much experience without going crazy or having PTSD. The thing that turns me off is the addition of gods. I did like the Thor gag. But Galactus & Surfer kind of turned me off because of the setting and feeling of the story. It worked for Thor, but it didn’t work for the actual gods.
I think the chaos and calamity displayed in this comic is unique in one specific way: it can assuredly give you an appreciation for the heroes - and villains - and the struggles that they overcome. All it takes for some people is one bad day (DC reference, yayyyy) ( /^ω^)/♪♪
I just realised how horrifying the symbiote would be in ruins, or they don’t exist
I personaly think they would completly take over a person and turn a person into pretty much a zombie. Just like how some fungi do to dead insects
Another great comic in a similar dark vein is Brat Pack - it takes a look at the shady side of sidekicks. It's really good!
If you want recommendations on dark marvel comics, there are many that focus on the end of the world. There is "the end" anthology, particularly hulk, fantastic four, and punisher, old man logan, dark ages, and god of thunder. They all provide unique apocalyptic scenarios and how the characters face the end times. For the worst story about this, there is always ultimatum.
Marvel Ruins is amazing. The art is great. I own both issues and I feel like I own a cursed book or something because of how crazy the art looks. I’ve never see anything like it
Your definitely right about the image of Peter, that’s stuck in my bran now, super haunting stuff and the way they tied it to Phil was genius
You mentioned Chris Moeller has done MtG art, but didn't mention that Terese Nielsen was a prolific artist for MtG as well. She did the art for a massive amount of cards and was (until recently) a fan favorite for her unique style.
What happened?
@drago939393 she revealed herself to be a TERF, iirc.
I don't read comics at all but as someone who grew up looking at Terese Nielson's works all the time, her works are surreal and incomparable to the styles similar to hers'. There's just no way to fully replicate her style and without losing that mysticism that Terese channels into her works.
I think the art style changed because Marvel didn't want Ruins to be a mini series where people see which hero gets the worst of their origin next
36:28 one possible explanation is Time Travel. Like Zoom said in The Flashpoint Paradox, "You broke the time barrier, Flash, "time boom". Ripples of distortion radiated out through that point of impact, shifting everything just a tiny bit." There is a lot of time travel in the Marvel Universe. Caps cannibalism could have been caused by some absence of a time travel adventure that was supposed to happen or by the Temporal boom directly.
Or maybe it was even Caps cannibalism itself that was the cause. Hes widely considered the spirit of America. Maybe he somehow socialized the wendigo curse? 🤔🤔🤔
I would love for you to cover the Marvels limited run now. I went and read it after this video and it blew me away. I'm also a sucker for Ross and his art. Great video!
I never really got into comics but watching this made me want to dive into the rabbit hole of comics. I also liked the music it really helped with the mood of this comic, just a great video tbh.
I think the tipping point that made it not a black comedy is the art style. If this was a garth ennis and steve dillon comic, as an example, the darkness could be funny.
Im glad its like this.
The big giveaway that this isn’t a Garth Ennis book is that Punisher is just a corpse that gets stumbled on.
Ive heard that the Hulk was based on Chu Chulain which was a Celtic "superhero" who would transform by turning himself inside out... This makes me believe it even more
This was the original dark multiverse...
That's a terrific analysis, glad I've found the channel!
If the volume of the music carpet were a little lower your voice would come out clearer, tho, some times the audio is a tad muddled up because of that.
Keep up the good work!
The Kree/Silver Surfer storyline is so interesting. I definitely need to read this book for myself
Quicksilver got one the worst faith. Having both your legs and arms cut off, basically removing your super power and the ability to live normally, and still being held in a cage.
OK, regarding your comment about DC's darker stories...eh, kinda disagree. For every DKR we got something like Elektra: Assassin. In particular, I would recommend:
1) on Daredevil - Miller's run . In particular, of course, Born Again. Waid's run is also basially about Matt being in denial that he is not OK.
2) On X-Men: Remender's X-Force which, while full of X-Men's weird lore is all about how CIA-style hit squads maybe don't really work and that the hitmen are actually damning themselves, however pure their intentions are.
3) Spider-Man: Child Within in particular and JM DeMatteis run on Spectacular Spider-Man in general. Masterful work on the characters that also made Harry as Green Goblin a deep and interesting character.
4) And, while it kinda doesn't fit with the rest of them, Danny O'Neil's excellent run on Iron Man. It starts kinda rough, but it deals with an issue of relapsing alcoholic in a very mature way (saying that as a guy who had alcoholics in the family). #182 in particular one of my favorite single issues
Yeah but to match that there was always Injustice, Dark Knight Metal, Justice League Dark, literally any issue of Hellblazer was really down, Kingdom Come, Red Son, and Watchmen are also all very dark. It’s objective that DC has far more “darker” storylines by contrast and their dark story lines are WAY worse than Marvel’s “dark” storylines. Watchmen alone has to do with rape, murder, child murder, the injustices that could come with superheroes being allowed to do as they wish, and the outcomes of Gods walking among men and men wanting to be Gods.
Yeah, you could tell he doesn’t really read marvel comics
People always like to say marvel is humans trying to play god while dc are gods trying to play humans and then say crap like dc is more down to earth and relatable which is just bs