I think Olympic level coaches absolutely have considered this and figured it didn't actually help much compared to the drag induced by the body movement. Runners run upright (even if slightly leaning forward), not in aero like cyclists. My bet is the drag induced by the running position overrides gains from aero wear, and range of movement afforded by the looser clothing is much more beneficial. The ladies though are probably more comfortable with tighter kit helping keeping their lady bits covered and kept from bouncing around. The men probably wouldn't want to be wearing aero speedos that may not give them a benefit vs drag from their torsos. In Thompson vs Lyles, note that Lyles only won because of how his torso was oriented, since finish is counted when a foot AND chest cross the line. Thompson was in mid-stride when he crossed and his chest partly back. Lyle was in the lunge part of his stride when he crossed, putting him technically ahead. Both of them had their feet cross at the same time.
Thank you Manon for all the great content you’ve made throughout the years. You’ve been a cheerful breath of fresh air at GCN. We will miss you a lot. Take care❤️😊👏
The women track and field athletes are shockingly ignorant of CDA. The long hair, untied, bouncing around….. shocking! Surely the cyclists are in the same Olympic village. Don’t they ever mention this. “Hey, if you tie your hair tight and wear tight clothing you will win”
As a former decathlete, yes some aero kit will be faster, but freedom of movement is sometimes more important. Plus, everyone has to wear a flappy number so same disadvantage for everyone
Not to mention cost. Track and field is the best sporting event/family of sports in the world because it is accessible. The last thing anyone needs is for someone to invent a $100,000 sprinting suit that gives them a tenth of a second advantage over someone who doesn't have access to those means. I love cycling, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason it is an elitist sport for rich West Europeans and Americans with little representation for everywhere else.
@@_shreyash_anand You can get most of the possible aero optimization for no cost whatsoever. A 100k USD skinsuit will be tiny drag reduction compared to an ordinary tight outfit, which is likely an irrelevant advantage in running, because the body moves a lot, the air is turbulent, and each athlete's day-to-day performance differences are larger than that. But the difference between a loose outfit from a supermarket and a tight outfit from a supermarket is massive, and they cost the same. Aero-conscious hairstyles are also no more expensive than any other hairstyles. It's literally free, which is why it so enraging.
flappy race numbers can be glued. Freedom of movement is not hampered by thight-fitting stretchy clothes. Thight-fitting stretchy clothes don't cost much, poor people wear leggings around the world.
I noticed that the Norwegian runners were wearing tight one piece kits so aero kits do exist and are being used by some countries. I am puzzled by some of the women’s hairstyles. They look very heavy and burdensome to me not to mention the questionable aero dynamics. But very often vanity prevails over physics.
@@alessandroortiz yeah. Realistically shaving bold won't make all of them winners, but it will cost them sponsors cause they don't "fit the brand image" anymore.
You know you're a cycling fan when you see massive hair on a sprinter and immediately think: That doesn't look aero. I was watching the Olympic highlights today and had this thought and you made a video about it. It is mind-blowing that the research is out there yet many athletes are not taking advantage of the huge gains aerodynamics could give them.
I had just finished watching this week's GCN Tech Clinic video and was literally preparing to submit a question regarding sprinters wearing loose fitting jerseys, long braided hair flopping about, chunky necklaces bouncing around and large watches all stealing speed and power in the track events. At the same moment I received a notification that the Tech Show had posted. How great that this was the main talking point of the show and you confirmed that my thoughts weren't crazy? Now I am just concerned about the technology Ollie and Alex are using to hack my frontal lobe!!
I will never understand the heat people generate over sponsored content. I was one of those kids who pressed my nose against the fence during the month of race prep and got free stickers at Gasoline Alley at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in May '69 and a favorite memory is looking at my stash in our apartment. Plus, on the special occasion of my first bike race, I wore a brand-new STP T-shirt in '75. And even in my little thumbnail, I am wearing team-issue pants from the '73 NASCAR season with STP Oil Treatment in lettering down the sides. Sponsors make the big wheels turn and bright-red pants help a kid look a little more like Evel Knievel on his Schwinn Sting-Ray. 😀
@@bkmontgomery I agree and at 64, I'm confident a sponsorship is coming my way when I retire and go for gravel gold in the over-60 class, lol. And I actually got to experience being paid to ride for a few months in '86, nearly 12 hours a day of commuting and working as a bike messenger in Washington DC and I was somewhat disappointed when I had to leave it for work in my career field. Still, it taught me that I had the drive and the chops to do hard miles five days a week. 😀
All I have been talking about with a few friends this week is aero in the track and field events. Cathy Freeman in Sydney Olympics wore the full body suit, yet some of these female sprinters actually wear big wigs 😂😂
Cathy Freeman used a full Nike speed suit at the Sydney 2000 games but complained of overheating and a feeling of restriction which offset the aero advantages.
@@andrewduncan4908 Just as she won the World Champs in 99, wearing a standard one-piece. Heat-training and wearable sensor tech were in their infancy but the problem shouldn't be overlooked. What's the trade-off between aero-drag and heat exhaustion for a one lap runner in that situation? Note that she reverted to a one-piece for her 2002 Commonwealth gold in the cooler climes of Manchester.
@@rob-c. Exactly. Heat training and sensing has also advanced significantly. That's why it's a recurring topic, and speed-suits will return to the tartan. It involves a very different set of variables to cycling aerodynamics and GCN should know better than to toss around terms such as 'idiots' for cheap laughs from its home audience. Her Nike suit was a major tech step-up from those used by Team USA and/or Linford Christie in the 80s/90s. Cathy Freeman's suit used several different fabrics based on motion capture and speed/aero analysis of respective body parts, which move in different directions and at different speeds. They trialled it in Gateshead at a pro track-meet and it passed with flying colours, but the pressure of the Sydney stadium on finals night was a little different.
@@larkiess I agree. The feeling of looking badass or just feeling good can make a bigger difference than some grams from jewelery. Actually drag is way more important than weight here.
My issue with sponsor exclusivity is that often *only* a sponsor is mentioned in some fields where people may have different allegiances (e.g. GPS computers, power meters, tires, etc.). I like that the scripts/wording often mention "...and other [insert component/device here], as well," but it also can make newcomers who may have bought into another brand feel like they made a bad choice. It is what it is, and I wholly realize that GCN needs to be financially solvent in order to make top-notch content, but still... it can be tough for folks who don't realize that there is sponsored content afoot (yes, even with the on-screen notes). Otherwise: y'all are still rocking it - keep it up!
I think pinning a number is so backwards. There is really no need - print the number on the vest or jersey - a small investment for the sponsors compared to all the other cost
@@jackdebokx4566 also not feasible because you have different competitors at each event. Some are global, some are regional. Then you have events like the commonwealth games. And some events act as feeders to the next tier. In other words you never have a stable pool of athletes to assign permanent numbers.
in the Sydney Olympics 2000, Cathy Freeman wore a speedsuit, including a hood, she won the 400m gold but those clothes have not been seen much since. They saw the light for a moment and then closed the shutters forever...
Thank you for this video. My daughter runs the 1600m and 3200m on the track. I just sent your video to her coach. My daughter has long curly hair. Maybe I they will make some changes.😃
Dan Bigham rode the wrong way around the velodrome to test the Japanese idea of putting the chainset on the other side of the bike 🤩 Result?: No Difference 😊
@gcntech you asked about commuting. @mottmacdonald has provided staff in the Newcastle upon Tyne, UK office with secure bike storage, along with showers and clothes drying cabinets in the office. We also recently had access to professional bike maintenance in the office, and are liaising with a local organisation to provide cycle confidence training to assist staff with road safety, commuting and route planning. The support is excellent. Our transport teams are helping improve active travel infrastructure for our communities. It is satisfying that there is synergy between the professional services we provide, and the company ethos and staff lifestyle.
The editors choice of iceskater is amazing seeing tim prins on gcn was not somting i ecpected when I clicked on this video (for those wondering tim prins is like the remco evenepoel of ice skating)
Oh man, I haven't seen anybody talk about these things in the 2020s. I finally have my own set in 2022, just a week or two before the event I was to ride in. I used seven on my rider number and all of them stayed with me start to finish. I didn't have to pierce my really costly jersey like almost everybody else (if I wasn't the only one using a non-invasive rider number securing system that night).
In basketball there was a player who was getting around 90% free throw professionally by throwing the ball underhand (granny throw). Shaq who famously would get ~50% said he would rather hit 0% than shoot like that... You need someone who can brush off the hate and make it happen. What I am wondering is if there is a way to make the shoe more aero dynamic. In cycling, you want lighter weight wheels and pedals because they require rotational force that is multiplied. A runners shoes are the fastest piece of the runner weight and aero seem like they would be pretty important.
well to my knowledge, the main restriction in especially the 100m running, ist actually the time you can spend in contact with the ground. Because we run on two legs that time(the only time actually spent accelorating) is less than half the time. Due to this drag has a much less significant role than in cycling, where you can basically accelorate all the time. Another reason is that for spirnting loose cloathes are far more comfortable, what arguably can make as big a difference if not more.
Some years ago I was given a set of plastic coated magnets in a 10K finisher's goody bag. Your race number still flaps about a bit with them, but at least you aren't putting safety pin holes in expensive kit.
What Alex and Ollie didn't talk about. Is what happens when the bikes they use on the channel go back. A trigger warning for Alex and Ollie. I did find out where GMBN presenter Blake Samson's pink and green Orbea Rallon went after it went back. It stayed in the and I saw it in a local bike shop less than 10 miles from my home. I also know exactly whee it is as I bought it.
Many runners had braided hair, likely to make it more aero. There was one female whose really long and thick hair went straight down her back instead of flapping in the wind. That might actually work as a fin with the downside of a weight penalty, especially if it's raining.
So disappointed Manon has left I missed that episode. Please tell me you’ll be getting another lady presenter as she was brilliant! Miss her already. 😢
With the clothing for runners in the Olympics, it's each country who decides what clothing options the teams will have, together with the clothing sponsor that the country has. And then the country will give each athlete a few choices of a few different options of different styles of shorts and different styles of tops.
It could also be a big issue for longer events like 400, 1500 metres etc. While the speeds are slower, they are on the track longer, so the absolute time advantage could well be larger.
I saw some of the 100m sprinters on the start line at the Olympics and proceeded to shout to the tv and to my non-cyclist wife, "Where's the aero for marginal gains?" So a massive thank you for backing me up by having this as your main talking point this week (so I don't look quite so stupid!)
A couple of thoughts guys. The sort of aero shell helmet used in time trials pre compulsory helmet regs would work (with a nice hollow fairing to tuck your hair into without being too hot, and netting sleeves (arms and legs) optimised for the aero (golf ball dimple effects). A couple of weeks ago you had a video with "heat training" improving performance which would also improve heat resistance. These are pros where results mean big money so a bit of "dorkishness" might be worth it.
Check out Cathy Freeman's clothing kit in the 400m final at the Sydney Olympics, leaps and bounds ahead of her time. I couldn't believe some of the hair styles in the Paris Olympics, crazy mops of massive hair styles, especially for the women.
That professor talking about aerodynamics in spints and abig part of it is to do with your hair. Should you be saying Hairodynamics... ? Which leaves one tiny thing .... Mr Ollie Aero .... off with the beard 😅
Completely agree. The Olympics are the greatest event an athlete can compete in and with such a small margin between winning the medal and losing, I would utilize every possible advantage that I can use. it's the Olympics! A chance of going down in history books as a medal winner! And for most of the athletes it's the only chance they get.
The 100m sprint is my most loved event bar none.... when I saw the reigning Olympic champion from Italy wearing what was the equivalent of a Hessian sack as a shirt, I was so disappointed. You don't have to go full skinsuit, but that was ridiculous.
I have always wondered about the disadvantage some women athletes might have from "big hair", although loose fitting outfits do not see me to be exactly common among them these days. Also, there was the huge controversy in the USA this year when some people claimed that the women's Olympic team kit was rather too tight fitting and revealing.
I carry a cafe lock with me on most rides. I usually ride alone. In most places I ride, I’m not really concerned about someone nipping my bike - I trust most people around the places I ride - but the cafe lock still gives a bit of piece of mind while I have my back turned.
@@witepa I do the same - it's handy when you're stopped briefly but with the bike still in sight. They aren't meant for leaving unguarded for any length of time.
So sorry to hear Manon is leaving GCN. Smart, attractive, articulate, cheerful - she was the best part of GCN, and I looked forward to seeing her. She will be missed. ❤
I presume that every Pro-Rider has to register with the UCI, and that each of them gets a personal number. This number could be printed on kit, used for bike numbers etc., for all races, the number could be made valid for one season (year) and it should even be possible to give each rider an electronic tag with the number for timing, drug tests, etc.
Going from starters pistol to speakers difference in delay due to sound speed would be enough to change men's race outcome. It's bonkers some of the aero left on the table.
Imagine how crazy it would be to find an athlete, aware of aero, kitted out with the finest aero; who than has a beard, long hair, and furry legs? Oh wait I saw that episode.
I ve done running races 10k distance in very windy conditions. I do wonder with a head wind if being more areo would help. Definitely helps if you run behind somebody like in cycling.
One thing I noticed was that some of the track cyclists were rocking clipped pedals. I don't know much about track cycling but I thought that was interesting... I wonder why they do
I had this exact thought when watching the 100 m sprints. The only point I would make is just like a really large saddlebag actually increasing aerodynamics. If you had really large hair tied up behind your head and your body would that potentially be better??
Have you seen paint protect film that is hydrophobic? I have wrapped all my bikes with Hexis bodyfence. Protects against stone chips and is also dream to keep clean 👌
Also thought the same thing seeing the sprinters wearing baggy shorts and vests, women with really big or long hair wondering why they didn’t get more aero.
I was thinking about aerodynamics when watching the Olympic rowing events. They go to insane lengths to optimize the boats hydrodynamically. They go over 20 km/h, for 6-7 minutes, potentially with additional wind - but there seems to be no aerodynamic consideration whatsoever. They face backwards. How much does a skinsuit gain, and other clothing optimizations? Leaning forward must be a massive drag reduction, can it be done without sacrificing too much power? Has anyone thought about this?
Like always GCN, you read my mind. I couldn't understand why the female sprinters sported such long hair. Also, do those nails make the start more difficult? Certainly the relay hand-off is more treacherous with 4 inch talons coming at you.
I love marginal gains. I was struck by the intersection of race, gender and sport her in this discussion, particularly as as someone from the US and our legacy of racism and policing of black bodies. Surely the big hair and curly hair is more relevant to athletes of color, who also happen to dominate the sport. I think about Biniam Girmay and his historic TDF this year as the first black African cyclist to have done anything in the tour. About the systemic barriers that prevent other BIPOC athletes from infiltrating elite cycling like Girmay has. About how essentially low-tech running/track and field is and the relatively lower barrier to entry that presents to athletes with fewer resources. Others mentioned that boost that cultivating a powerful persona can facilitate. I wonder how much of that boost, specifically for athletes of color, comes from the recognition that they are being recognized for their innate ability on a world stage, where in many other instances, their race is grounds for discrimination, marginalization and mistreatment. I'd LOVE to hear what Sha'Carri Richardson has to say on all of this, as the study seems to clearly call her out. I'd also love to hear more white folks, especially white cyclists talking about the intersection of race and sport, myself included, which is why I wrote this. Thanks GCN!
My high school had speed suit options for sprinters, 20 years ago. I do wonder if I should be wearing aero suits to run a 5k. My average speed in a running race is only 10-11 mph but I’d love to know what it’s worth. It’s not like I can test it myself like I could with a cycling power meter.
Have you tried tight shorts and a muscle/ compression 🎽 shirt? That and shaved legs n arms should get you close right? Unless there's some sharks skin aero texture stuff going on. Nevermind it is.... But tight clothing would be step 1.
You can tell Olly has been back home to Donny. He's nice and chilled, super nicing so many bikes. Not heard of. He just let everything go through. This is what Donny and South Yorkshire does for your soul!
During the Lance Armstrong era, I couldn’t believe how sloppily riders were pinning on their numbers. They’d be in full solo breakaway mode trying to be as aerodynamic as possible, but their numbers would be flapping in the wind costing them many watts. It’s only slightly better now.
Well, personally I'm on the cycling side of sport, so to speak, but... While I don't mind improving performance via technology, I actually like the concept that the athlete's fitness is the most important part. So, yeah, you can improve by tenths of the second with your clothing, sure. But how much you can improve by improving your fitness by a few watts? I write this in the context of the Olympic athletes, but for me personally, this translates to some degree also into cycling. Don't take me wrong - we are moving by a mechanical vehicle in the first place and technology has and always will be playing a bigger role than in 'classic' sports, like running. But still, I'm not a great fan of 'marginal gains' achieved through technology.
If there are "no rules" around clothing for the 100m sprint, then surely the fastest outfit would be to strap a 100m long cantilevered extension to your upper body, then you just take one step and you've won the race. Not especially exciting to watch, but effective.
Running style must surely come into play as well. Sprinters who run with their arms closer to their body must surely have a better CDA than those whose arms flay out from their body at a 45 degree angle.
Do you think athletics has got it wrong? 🏃
they should not wear any shirt then. best aerodynamics.
I think Olympic level coaches absolutely have considered this and figured it didn't actually help much compared to the drag induced by the body movement.
Runners run upright (even if slightly leaning forward), not in aero like cyclists.
My bet is the drag induced by the running position overrides gains from aero wear, and range of movement afforded by the looser clothing is much more beneficial.
The ladies though are probably more comfortable with tighter kit helping keeping their lady bits covered and kept from bouncing around. The men probably wouldn't want to be wearing aero speedos that may not give them a benefit vs drag from their torsos.
In Thompson vs Lyles, note that Lyles only won because of how his torso was oriented, since finish is counted when a foot AND chest cross the line. Thompson was in mid-stride when he crossed and his chest partly back. Lyle was in the lunge part of his stride when he crossed, putting him technically ahead. Both of them had their feet cross at the same time.
yes and also who cares what they look like? just get all the free performance advantage you can get!
@@oplkfdhgk you're going to say that fashion doesn't matter to a bunch of roadies? Really? 😂
@@SirBrass nope.
Thank you Manon for all the great content you’ve made throughout the years. You’ve been a cheerful breath of fresh air at GCN. We will miss you a lot. Take care❤️😊👏
The women track and field athletes are shockingly ignorant of CDA. The long hair, untied, bouncing around….. shocking! Surely the cyclists are in the same Olympic village. Don’t they ever mention this. “Hey, if you tie your hair tight and wear tight clothing you will win”
And cyclists are shaving their legs to save half a watt! 5 year olds know this.
@@abhi4121 Shaving works for both the massage sessions and it cools down the legs.
"Why are they wearing loose fitting clothes?" I've been yelling that to the TV for the last few days!! 😅
The only reason I can think of is maybe they “feel” more comfortable.
As a former decathlete, yes some aero kit will be faster, but freedom of movement is sometimes more important. Plus, everyone has to wear a flappy number so same disadvantage for everyone
Not to mention cost. Track and field is the best sporting event/family of sports in the world because it is accessible. The last thing anyone needs is for someone to invent a $100,000 sprinting suit that gives them a tenth of a second advantage over someone who doesn't have access to those means. I love cycling, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason it is an elitist sport for rich West Europeans and Americans with little representation for everywhere else.
@@_shreyash_anandA certain chap in a green jersey might have something to say about that
@@_shreyash_anandyou think the USA aren’t investing tens of thousands of dollars into their athletes?
@@_shreyash_anand You can get most of the possible aero optimization for no cost whatsoever. A 100k USD skinsuit will be tiny drag reduction compared to an ordinary tight outfit, which is likely an irrelevant advantage in running, because the body moves a lot, the air is turbulent, and each athlete's day-to-day performance differences are larger than that. But the difference between a loose outfit from a supermarket and a tight outfit from a supermarket is massive, and they cost the same. Aero-conscious hairstyles are also no more expensive than any other hairstyles. It's literally free, which is why it so enraging.
flappy race numbers can be glued. Freedom of movement is not hampered by thight-fitting stretchy clothes. Thight-fitting stretchy clothes don't cost much, poor people wear leggings around the world.
I noticed that the Norwegian runners were wearing tight one piece kits so aero kits do exist and are being used by some countries.
I am puzzled by some of the women’s hairstyles. They look very heavy and burdensome to me not to mention the questionable aero dynamics.
But very often vanity prevails over physics.
I don't think it's so much vanity as it is marketing
@@alessandroortiz yeah. Realistically shaving bold won't make all of them winners, but it will cost them sponsors cause they don't "fit the brand image" anymore.
@@randomviewer3494there’s a difference between shaving it all off and tying it back
@@alessandroortizmarketing does not help when you don't win.
At least they could go dor for a short ponytail.
These lang dreadlocks are insane.
Not vanity in my opinion, confidence. Feeling good about your looks almost certainly outweighs any aero benefits over such a short time.
You know you're a cycling fan when you see massive hair on a sprinter and immediately think: That doesn't look aero. I was watching the Olympic highlights today and had this thought and you made a video about it. It is mind-blowing that the research is out there yet many athletes are not taking advantage of the huge gains aerodynamics could give them.
I had just finished watching this week's GCN Tech Clinic video and was literally preparing to submit a question regarding sprinters wearing loose fitting jerseys, long braided hair flopping about, chunky necklaces bouncing around and large watches all stealing speed and power in the track events. At the same moment I received a notification that the Tech Show had posted. How great that this was the main talking point of the show and you confirmed that my thoughts weren't crazy? Now I am just concerned about the technology Ollie and Alex are using to hack my frontal lobe!!
I'm waiting for some runners with long hair to gel it into a teardrop shape
Week 74 of asking for a "The UCI has no jurisdiction here" t-shirt
Hang in there!
Ha
Don't give up
Just make one yourself, not very hard to find a company and you’ll have it in 10 days , or 1 and a half week. Quicker than begging
@@juniorgomestattoo6411then it’s no fun!
Switching from flip-flops to running shoes significantly improved my running times.
Its all about aero 😀
Mine too!
Switching from flipflops to plimsolls made things easier on my city bike: I could put the toeclips on top
Sorry to hear mannon is leaving her female focused content has really helped me as a complete newb. I wish her all the best for pastures new
Ollie / Cuthbert - you did not ring the bell for the Supernice folding bike. I am sure the owner is very sad. Very sad indeed. 😢
I will never understand the heat people generate over sponsored content. I was one of those kids who pressed my nose against the fence during the month of race prep and got free stickers at Gasoline Alley at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in May '69 and a favorite memory is looking at my stash in our apartment. Plus, on the special occasion of my first bike race, I wore a brand-new STP T-shirt in '75. And even in my little thumbnail, I am wearing team-issue pants from the '73 NASCAR season with STP Oil Treatment in lettering down the sides. Sponsors make the big wheels turn and bright-red pants help a kid look a little more like Evel Knievel on his Schwinn Sting-Ray. 😀
We’re all just jealous we’re not sponsored.
@@bkmontgomery I agree and at 64, I'm confident a sponsorship is coming my way when I retire and go for gravel gold in the over-60 class, lol. And I actually got to experience being paid to ride for a few months in '86, nearly 12 hours a day of commuting and working as a bike messenger in Washington DC and I was somewhat disappointed when I had to leave it for work in my career field. Still, it taught me that I had the drive and the chops to do hard miles five days a week. 😀
All I have been talking about with a few friends this week is aero in the track and field events. Cathy Freeman in Sydney Olympics wore the full body suit, yet some of these female sprinters actually wear big wigs 😂😂
geez, I should have submitted my bike, maybe would have gotten a super nice this week!
Miss you Manon!
It's my Dahon folding bike 😂
From Baltimore with love
Cathy Freeman used a full Nike speed suit at the Sydney 2000 games but complained of overheating and a feeling of restriction which offset the aero advantages.
I guess that is her “feeling” but objectively she won.
@@andrewduncan4908 Just as she won the World Champs in 99, wearing a standard one-piece. Heat-training and wearable sensor tech were in their infancy but the problem shouldn't be overlooked. What's the trade-off between aero-drag and heat exhaustion for a one lap runner in that situation? Note that she reverted to a one-piece for her 2002 Commonwealth gold in the cooler climes of Manchester.
We’ve had 20 years of garment material technology since then though.
@@rob-c. Exactly. Heat training and sensing has also advanced significantly. That's why it's a recurring topic, and speed-suits will return to the tartan.
It involves a very different set of variables to cycling aerodynamics and GCN should know better than to toss around terms such as 'idiots' for cheap laughs from its home audience.
Her Nike suit was a major tech step-up from those used by Team USA and/or Linford Christie in the 80s/90s. Cathy Freeman's suit used several different fabrics based on motion capture and speed/aero analysis of respective body parts, which move in different directions and at different speeds.
They trialled it in Gateshead at a pro track-meet and it passed with flying colours, but the pressure of the Sydney stadium on finals night was a little different.
@@clippingin1593 can’t decide what your argument is 🙃
Reminds me of Ollie’s parachute of a number during the NY Grand Fondo
Nevermind drag - what about the unnecessary weight from jewellery, etc
Yeah, but it's probably "lucky"! /S
It makes them feel good. Sometimes that's more important than drag
@@larkiess I agree. The feeling of looking badass or just feeling good can make a bigger difference than some grams from jewelery. Actually drag is way more important than weight here.
@@marianbossman you sound like an expert in that field. Have you written any papers we can read? Any research data we can review?
Think part of it is there’s no market for aero clothes in track. They’ll sell millions of top spec shoes, but barely any top of the range skin suits
The reason P1's fork is narrower is to stop the riders knees hitting the wide fork during the start as p1 is doing the biggest start effort.
GB Men’s Team Pursuit Team??!!! 😂 next week you better do a special on the Factor bikes the Australians won Gold with!
My issue with sponsor exclusivity is that often *only* a sponsor is mentioned in some fields where people may have different allegiances (e.g. GPS computers, power meters, tires, etc.). I like that the scripts/wording often mention "...and other [insert component/device here], as well," but it also can make newcomers who may have bought into another brand feel like they made a bad choice. It is what it is, and I wholly realize that GCN needs to be financially solvent in order to make top-notch content, but still... it can be tough for folks who don't realize that there is sponsored content afoot (yes, even with the on-screen notes). Otherwise: y'all are still rocking it - keep it up!
I think pinning a number is so backwards. There is really no need - print the number on the vest or jersey - a small investment for the sponsors compared to all the other cost
But a riders number doesn’t stay the same throughout a season so they’d need new kit for every race.
@@rob-c. Give them a number at the beginning of the season and let the race organisers stick with that.
@@jackdebokx4566 also not feasible because you have different competitors at each event. Some are global, some are regional. Then you have events like the commonwealth games. And some events act as feeders to the next tier. In other words you never have a stable pool of athletes to assign permanent numbers.
2:00 I found myself yelling at the TV at some of the women runners/sprinters hair and saying, "that's not aero, you need to tie it back!" 😂
in the Sydney Olympics 2000, Cathy Freeman wore a speedsuit, including a hood, she won the 400m gold but those clothes have not been seen much since. They saw the light for a moment and then closed the shutters forever...
I've still got a right Cob on about Manon leaving, she will be missed
Thank you for this video. My daughter runs the 1600m and 3200m on the track. I just sent your video to her coach. My daughter has long curly hair. Maybe I they will make some changes.😃
Dan Bigham rode the wrong way around the velodrome to test the Japanese idea of putting the chainset on the other side of the bike 🤩 Result?: No Difference 😊
Manon is still there, looking over Ollie’s shoulder
Charles Manson? The murderer?
@gcntech you asked about commuting. @mottmacdonald has provided staff in the Newcastle upon Tyne, UK office with secure bike storage, along with showers and clothes drying cabinets in the office. We also recently had access to professional bike maintenance in the office, and are liaising with a local organisation to provide cycle confidence training to assist staff with road safety, commuting and route planning. The support is excellent.
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The editors choice of iceskater is amazing seeing tim prins on gcn was not somting i ecpected when I clicked on this video (for those wondering tim prins is like the remco evenepoel of ice skating)
Race Dots are a good replacement for the safety pins.
Oh man, I haven't seen anybody talk about these things in the 2020s. I finally have my own set in 2022, just a week or two before the event I was to ride in.
I used seven on my rider number and all of them stayed with me start to finish. I didn't have to pierce my really costly jersey like almost everybody else (if I wasn't the only one using a non-invasive rider number securing system that night).
I guess team GB overlooked saddle tech. Yer boy!🇦🇺
I always wondered about the hair drag, and here is the data. Thanks for the info!
Glad to see the band’s back together again.
In basketball there was a player who was getting around 90% free throw professionally by throwing the ball underhand (granny throw). Shaq who famously would get ~50% said he would rather hit 0% than shoot like that... You need someone who can brush off the hate and make it happen. What I am wondering is if there is a way to make the shoe more aero dynamic. In cycling, you want lighter weight wheels and pedals because they require rotational force that is multiplied. A runners shoes are the fastest piece of the runner weight and aero seem like they would be pretty important.
A smooth line around corners is definitely a good thing to work on, and feels good
I, I think with a lot of endurance sport fans, had this exact thought about the track and field athletes
yeah, would have won the pole vault ...but my pole was too big
well to my knowledge, the main restriction in especially the 100m running, ist actually the time you can spend in contact with the ground. Because we run on two legs that time(the only time actually spent accelorating) is less than half the time. Due to this drag has a much less significant role than in cycling, where you can basically accelorate all the time. Another reason is that for spirnting loose cloathes are far more comfortable, what arguably can make as big a difference if not more.
thight clothes, if made the right way, can be very comfortable / feel like you have no clothes at all.
Some years ago I was given a set of plastic coated magnets in a 10K finisher's goody bag. Your race number still flaps about a bit with them, but at least you aren't putting safety pin holes in expensive kit.
What Alex and Ollie didn't talk about. Is what happens when the bikes they use on the channel go back. A trigger warning for Alex and Ollie. I did find out where GMBN presenter Blake Samson's pink and green Orbea Rallon went after it went back. It stayed in the and I saw it in a local bike shop less than 10 miles from my home. I also know exactly whee it is as I bought it.
Many runners had braided hair, likely to make it more aero. There was one female whose really long and thick hair went straight down her back instead of flapping in the wind. That might actually work as a fin with the downside of a weight penalty, especially if it's raining.
So disappointed Manon has left I missed that episode. Please tell me you’ll be getting another lady presenter as she was brilliant! Miss her already. 😢
Agreed, I really hope so!
Yes . Mannon was why. I watched she was really good for "regular" people cycling
I’ve got that Wax is Dead ceramic on both my bikes.. used your video to help me apply it correctly 🚴
Glad you Like it David 🙂
With the clothing for runners in the Olympics, it's each country who decides what clothing options the teams will have, together with the clothing sponsor that the country has.
And then the country will give each athlete a few choices of a few different options of different styles of shorts and different styles of tops.
It could also be a big issue for longer events like 400, 1500 metres etc. While the speeds are slower, they are on the track longer, so the absolute time advantage could well be larger.
I saw some of the 100m sprinters on the start line at the Olympics and proceeded to shout to the tv and to my non-cyclist wife, "Where's the aero for marginal gains?" So a massive thank you for backing me up by having this as your main talking point this week (so I don't look quite so stupid!)
A couple of thoughts guys. The sort of aero shell helmet used in time trials pre compulsory helmet regs would work (with a nice hollow fairing to tuck your hair into without being too hot, and netting sleeves (arms and legs) optimised for the aero (golf ball dimple effects). A couple of weeks ago you had a video with "heat training" improving performance which would also improve heat resistance.
These are pros where results mean big money so a bit of "dorkishness" might be worth it.
Linford Christie slow-mo running in spandex is something you cannot unsee 😲 More talent than average.
Agree with all points about bike commuting. Dealing with all the logistics is a PITA and the world is not set up to accommodate.
Didnt slow harry down having his Dugast tubs pumped up to 220psi 🤣
Check out Cathy Freeman's clothing kit in the 400m final at the Sydney Olympics, leaps and bounds ahead of her time.
I couldn't believe some of the hair styles in the Paris Olympics, crazy mops of massive hair styles, especially for the women.
That professor talking about aerodynamics in spints and abig part of it is to do with your hair.
Should you be saying Hairodynamics... ?
Which leaves one tiny thing .... Mr Ollie Aero .... off with the beard 😅
Love Alex calling Ollie out on have a new bike every week
GB had great tech in the teams pursuit. Now if they can work out how to sit on a bike seat….
My favorite way to stop the "theft of opportunity" that small, handlebar stowed lock will prevent, is to take the front wheel in with me.
You’ve made it easier for someone to chuck the remainder of your bike in their car and drive off with it 😅
Completely agree. The Olympics are the greatest event an athlete can compete in and with such a small margin between winning the medal and losing, I would utilize every possible advantage that I can use. it's the Olympics! A chance of going down in history books as a medal winner! And for most of the athletes it's the only chance they get.
What those runners need is the Specialized time trial helmet 😂
Walter White did it better anyway: ua-cam.com/video/R-AHk19aU24/v-deo.html
Could we get a video with Ollie running 100m with and without the Specialized helmet..?
@@Phillip-hq1bv 🤪 we've seen Ollie run in the past, please no
Ollie's complete obsession on display in full force in this video 😂😂🤟🤟
I foresee swimming caps on the sprinters soon
The 100m sprint is my most loved event bar none.... when I saw the reigning Olympic champion from Italy wearing what was the equivalent of a Hessian sack as a shirt, I was so disappointed. You don't have to go full skinsuit, but that was ridiculous.
Cathy Freeman's suit for the 400m @ Sydney 2000 Olympics ... sorry, you got there
Ollie with the round lighting behind looks like a saint with a halo. Saint Ollie, the savior of all cyclists!
I have always wondered about the disadvantage some women athletes might have from "big hair", although loose fitting outfits do not see me to be exactly common among them these days. Also, there was the huge controversy in the USA this year when some people claimed that the women's Olympic team kit was rather too tight fitting and revealing.
That bike lock is a joke right? Even an opportunist with a tiny side of side cutters in their pocket is gonna laugh at that.
They thankfully state its not for actual locking up but yeah, that thing is useless. you'd almost be better off using a tiewrap.
I carry a cafe lock with me on most rides. I usually ride alone. In most places I ride, I’m not really concerned about someone nipping my bike - I trust most people around the places I ride - but the cafe lock still gives a bit of piece of mind while I have my back turned.
@@witepa I do the same - it's handy when you're stopped briefly but with the bike still in sight. They aren't meant for leaving unguarded for any length of time.
So sorry to hear Manon is leaving GCN. Smart, attractive, articulate, cheerful - she was the best part of GCN, and I looked forward to seeing her. She will be missed. ❤
I presume that every Pro-Rider has to register with the UCI, and that each of them gets a personal number. This number could be printed on kit, used for bike numbers etc., for all races, the number could be made valid for one season (year) and it should even be possible to give each rider an electronic tag with the number for timing, drug tests, etc.
Going from starters pistol to speakers difference in delay due to sound speed would be enough to change men's race outcome. It's bonkers some of the aero left on the table.
Imagine how crazy it would be to find an athlete, aware of aero, kitted out with the finest aero; who than has a beard, long hair, and furry legs? Oh wait I saw that episode.
Great show as always! The sound is a little bit echoey (if that's a word)
I don't mind new products being shown or sponsors, it's helpful to see what's out there. It would be annoying if the adverts were not cycling focused
Athletics, it's time to introduce swimming caps!
There are no many business that incentive bike commute, funny how it about high pay jobs comfort and not about mass transport.
Meaning most of the bikes on comute are very expensive types so you think is not about environment or money, not for me at least is to get fit.
I ve done running races 10k distance in very windy conditions. I do wonder with a head wind if being more areo would help. Definitely helps if you run behind somebody like in cycling.
The hottest bike at the olympics was Fabio Vandenbosche's Canyon track bike
I was just wondering about aero in athletics and here is the video
One thing I noticed was that some of the track cyclists were rocking clipped pedals. I don't know much about track cycling but I thought that was interesting... I wonder why they do
The sprinters use clipless pedals with an additional clip for extra safety
I had this exact thought when watching the 100 m sprints. The only point I would make is just like a really large saddlebag actually increasing aerodynamics. If you had really large hair tied up behind your head and your body would that potentially be better??
Have you seen paint protect film that is hydrophobic? I have wrapped all my bikes with Hexis bodyfence. Protects against stone chips and is also dream to keep clean 👌
I think Carl Lewis worked on some pretty tight outfits while running for the Santa Monica Running Club. But all seems forgotten since then.
We are still laughing at Groenewegen and his Batman nose piece, and Jumbo for their shark helmet. But if it were me, I would take the laughter.
The Giro helmet is obviously not contributing to many wins. The batman nose piece for a sprinter is just showing off.
Also thought the same thing seeing the sprinters wearing baggy shorts and vests, women with really big or long hair wondering why they didn’t get more aero.
I was thinking about aerodynamics when watching the Olympic rowing events. They go to insane lengths to optimize the boats hydrodynamically. They go over 20 km/h, for 6-7 minutes, potentially with additional wind - but there seems to be no aerodynamic consideration whatsoever. They face backwards. How much does a skinsuit gain, and other clothing optimizations? Leaning forward must be a massive drag reduction, can it be done without sacrificing too much power? Has anyone thought about this?
The flex of the back at the hip joint is essential for generating power.
Where do i send my bike picture for the bike vault? And if it is featured, will I get a notice, in case I miss the episode it is on?
Like always GCN, you read my mind. I couldn't understand why the female sprinters sported such long hair. Also, do those nails make the start more difficult? Certainly the relay hand-off is more treacherous with 4 inch talons coming at you.
I love marginal gains. I was struck by the intersection of race, gender and sport her in this discussion, particularly as as someone from the US and our legacy of racism and policing of black bodies. Surely the big hair and curly hair is more relevant to athletes of color, who also happen to dominate the sport. I think about Biniam Girmay and his historic TDF this year as the first black African cyclist to have done anything in the tour. About the systemic barriers that prevent other BIPOC athletes from infiltrating elite cycling like Girmay has. About how essentially low-tech running/track and field is and the relatively lower barrier to entry that presents to athletes with fewer resources. Others mentioned that boost that cultivating a powerful persona can facilitate. I wonder how much of that boost, specifically for athletes of color, comes from the recognition that they are being recognized for their innate ability on a world stage, where in many other instances, their race is grounds for discrimination, marginalization and mistreatment. I'd LOVE to hear what Sha'Carri Richardson has to say on all of this, as the study seems to clearly call her out. I'd also love to hear more white folks, especially white cyclists talking about the intersection of race and sport, myself included, which is why I wrote this. Thanks GCN!
Louis Hinchliffe is a short back and sides away from being the next Usain Bolt
I was just saying this to my wife. I agree, marginal gains is important.
My high school had speed suit options for sprinters, 20 years ago. I do wonder if I should be wearing aero suits to run a 5k. My average speed in a running race is only 10-11 mph but I’d love to know what it’s worth. It’s not like I can test it myself like I could with a cycling power meter.
Have you tried tight shorts and a muscle/ compression 🎽 shirt? That and shaved legs n arms should get you close right? Unless there's some sharks skin aero texture stuff going on. Nevermind it is.... But tight clothing would be step 1.
You can tell Olly has been back home to Donny. He's nice and chilled, super nicing so many bikes. Not heard of. He just let everything go through. This is what Donny and South Yorkshire does for your soul!
During the Lance Armstrong era, I couldn’t believe how sloppily riders were pinning on their numbers. They’d be in full solo breakaway mode trying to be as aerodynamic as possible, but their numbers would be flapping in the wind costing them many watts. It’s only slightly better now.
Hvar is in Croatia, has some amazing routes through lavender fields. And the bike owner name is pronounced Boyan
Why can’t you get Laura Lenny as a presenter on your channel. She is SO inspirational
Well, personally I'm on the cycling side of sport, so to speak, but... While I don't mind improving performance via technology, I actually like the concept that the athlete's fitness is the most important part. So, yeah, you can improve by tenths of the second with your clothing, sure. But how much you can improve by improving your fitness by a few watts? I write this in the context of the Olympic athletes, but for me personally, this translates to some degree also into cycling. Don't take me wrong - we are moving by a mechanical vehicle in the first place and technology has and always will be playing a bigger role than in 'classic' sports, like running. But still, I'm not a great fan of 'marginal gains' achieved through technology.
you never rang the bell for the folding bike
If there are "no rules" around clothing for the 100m sprint, then surely the fastest outfit would be to strap a 100m long cantilevered extension to your upper body, then you just take one step and you've won the race. Not especially exciting to watch, but effective.
Running style must surely come into play as well. Sprinters who run with their arms closer to their body must surely have a better CDA than those whose arms flay out from their body at a 45 degree angle.