Surprising Aerodynamics of Champion Subaru Impreza
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2024
- See how a splitter plate helps this Subaru Impreza WRX's downforce production and drag here: / premier_aerodynamics
The Subaru Impreza 1996 was one of the greatest rally cars ever. But was it aerodynamic? The results are surprising!
Find out in this CFD simulation with OpenFOAM!
Learn OpenFOAM here: premieraerodyn...
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Details about simulation: MRFs for the wheels, closed cooling, model is as accurate as we can get. Meant for general entertainment and general aero.
And that's the reason why almost every sedan nowadays is a fastback or has a sloping rear window.
Almost every electric sedan have slope like shape becomes aerodynamics is really important to range.
@@mohammedawadud7238 I'm talking about every sedan, combustion (gasoline, ethanol, LPG and diesel) included.
You know it!
Hello@@PremierAerodynamics , I wonder if analyzing the aerodynamics of an EUC rider would be interesting for you? I'm very interested in this (because I ride a monowheel;)) I found some of the answers to my questions in your video about the aerodynamics of a character/person sitting on a chair. You have very interesting content. Regards ;)
Looks lamer tho, you gotta figure if you want looks or aero
Okay, we've spent a lot of episodes looking at cars with varying levels of effort to optimize the aerodynamics. Now let's see a vehicle where they did not care at all: 1980-1986 Ford F-350 four door dual rear wheel 4WD (important because of the different front axle from the 2WD) with the giant towing mirrors.
Thanks for the idea!
That's cool, your simulation picked up the buffeting from the rear glass.
Thanks man!
Hmm, I am not sure how accurate this simulation is. There is no way that the car was lift neutral. I think the problem is that the models don't model the underside of the car very well and instead assume it's flat... even though on these older cars it was anything but. The flow under the car was probably a lot more messy in reality, increasing both lift and drag.
This simulation clearly doesn't take holes into account.
The hood scope, underbody components, radiation, etc, was not taken into account, of which, is the most common factor of lift. In this case, the WRX, has a lot of huge functional holes, which could increase drag and lift.
The worst aerodynamic part of WRX is always the iconic hood scope, there's a reason why rarely any modern car still has it.
Car designer here (again). Some videos ago, we discussed this in the comments. You guys are correct, these video game models are used for visual purposes only. No underbody or air intakes are modeled correctly. In car aerodynamics, the flow inside the vehicle is sometimes more important than drag alone. This hood scoop is a great example. It is more important to supply the intercooler with cold air, even if this means a little more drag. The engineers behind this project knew exactly what they were doing.
by the way. It is interesting to note that in every video, the airflow under the car is always "pretty good." Regardless of the brand, model or year.
Thanks for the input!
@@Claudio_And i was wondering about this. Not much point in trying to model the aero on a car unless its been modelled very accurately and in high detail to the real car. the placement of small grooves or bumps can really impact the downstream effect, was also thinking we need to see whats going on when the tires are actually rolling.
I would love to see a modern bus or truck analyzed, they seem pretty optimized
Especially european semi trucks.
@@baneq105 yeah, coaches too
Thanks for the idea!
My great grandpa at outa gunma worked at subaru when there were only 30 people!, after that my grandpa also started working there, he retired 20 years ago though, our relatives and bloodline r full of subaru workers, and im very proud of it, since my grandpa and great grandpa especially made everything possible, im too lazy to text the entire story
That's cool!
I am interested to see a video for the sti wagon for comparison to the sti sedan .
Thanks for the idea! We'll put it on the list!
Would love to see it cause I own a 96 Impreza with a soon to be STi wing
NA Miata pop-ups down vs up.
Thanks for the idea!
It's cool to see a visual representation of the aerodynamics, and then piece together why modern cars look the way they do. I've noticed a lot of car designs make an effort to "pinch" the rear airflow around the rear window. Love this channel!
Yep, and also to reduce something called the "base area" which also reduces the total drag.
This is unbelievably cool! Thanks for posting this, so glad it’s led me to this channel. I find it fascinating! Makes me wonder how my old wedge-like trans am would hold up (aerodynamically speaking) to modern cars given how different cars look these days. Time to binge your channel! Lol
Thanks for the idea!
0:12 What your friend do IRL with this car to feel a lack of downforce?
You don't want to know!
Any chance a Honda Del Sol could be in a future video? Love the content btw, always very informative and easy to learn from 👍
Thanks for the idea!
These videos are genuinely amazing! Shows just how much aerodynamics have affected modern car design too.
If I may suggest another car from the 90s to analyze, maybe try the 180sx, it should have all the makings of a low drag body, long sloping rear, low front, etc.
Thanks for the idea! I've always liked that car.
08 STI wrc car would be a cool comparison. There is a reason most manufacturers changed to a hatchback for rallying.
Thanks for the idea! It would be interesting. The hatchback might also be something to do with the weight distribution.
@@PremierAerodynamicsI also expect hatchback to have better support-to-weight ratio. The shorter, more round unibody skeleton is probably more resistant to rolling damage and frame bending.
Sedan is longer and flatter, thus "bends like a bar"; hatchback is like an internally arched pod and "bounces off rather than crash & bend".
This is layman speculation though.
Talking about boxy sedans, it's interesting to see your explanation about the 4th gen Civic (EF) sedan. Imo it's the sharpest and boxiest sedan can be.
Thanks for the idea! We also have the Scion xb in mind.
I would like to see how vertex generators work
Air go spin
LOL. That is pretty much it.
Good idea, thanks! For vortex generators in general, we made this CFD video a while back: ua-cam.com/video/jA319-4cbhw/v-deo.html
Hey @PremierAerodynamics, I was just now wondering about testing the Aerodynamics of a MK4 Toyota Supra (bone stock of course) just to see how well it is with or without it's rear spoiler
Thanks for the idea!
Awesome video man, Hope you do more "Accessible" road cars please!
Thanks for the idea!
I want to see a Lexus LS430 next! One of the first mass produced cars to use computer modelling for aerodynamics and a resulting very low drag coefficient. I would love to see what tricks they did to make such a big and heavy car so efficient.
Thanks for the idea!
I got my built 98 model up to 274 KM/h (171 mph). Felt pretty stable.
Hopefully that was sideways, lol
Thanks for doing this one. I'm an ex mechanic owner of a 98 GC8 WRX, so was interested to see how it faired.
3:41 The A pillars have little dams built into edges of the front screen rubber filler strip. While this does force air up and over the roof, it also forces rain and wiper water up there too which is important if the windows are down a little during rain 🙂👍
* The STI did have a different spoiler fitted at the factory, and I recall it came with the tall extension blocks to stand it right up in the air stream at about 1/2 window height.
Also, I recall the last WRC GC8s had vortex generators fitted when they moved to the 2 door, which no doubt also helped with the rear glass angle. 👍
Wow, I didn't notice the little dams. That is a nice feature for the rain.
Do you take into account that the front part of the car and the intake on the hood take in air and throw it under the bottom or onto the windshield?
Exactly mate 👍
A ton of air goes in the front bumper the then out the upward facing vents on the bonnet,
Plus the scoop catching and pushing air directly under the car must affect things.
Im sure the 1999 version also had the steeper bonnet angle too ?
He doesn't
It's closed cooling. As it says in the description.
@@PremierAerodynamicsok
This is my fav channel now. Thanks!! (Subbed!!)
Thanks! Happy you enjoy the vids!
analyzing the wake is just one aspect of external aerodynamic behavior. You need to look at the pressure plots on the surface of the vehicle.
Much of the reason why the spoiler version of the car has less drag is because the flow over the rear windshield is slower and thus does not result in so much low pressure on the surface that acts like it is pulling the car back.
I always look at the drag and lift coefficient along x-axis first and followed by the surface pressure plot. The wake analysis is more for visuals and not always useful for understanding the flow. Generally, wake is unavoidable, but you can try to place them in a good location.
UA-cam "aerodynamicists" are generally clueless, get used to it
Thanks for the input!
I drive a 99 impreza L. This video made me remove my side view mirrors
LOL!
I opted for removing the roof and windscreen all together.
@@filippe3822 taking notes
The 1990-1996 Nissan 300zx has 2 chassis’s, 2+0 and 2+2. One is 8 inch’s longer than the other. It would be super interesting to compare the differences.
Plus these used the most angular headlights of the day and they were even used by Lamborghini.
Thanks for the idea!
So I’ve got a budget build dream using my 96 wagon version… curious how does the elongated roof to the rear hatch aerodynamics work?
How about v5-6 wings, from 1999-2000? Would like to see those since i have v6 wing on mine
Thanks for the idea!
Since I own a STI this was VERY interesting, very good video 👍. Could you do a video on the GDB chassis? The hood scoop would be interesting too, there’re lots of rumors that there’s no air going in above 100mph..
Thanks for the idea!
Great work with this analizies. May you make similar videos about 4th generation Chevrolet Camaro and Opel Calibra. Imo the most areodynamic coupes in early/late 90s.
Thanks for the ideas! Camaro is on the list!
This is gold content.
Thanks! Happy you liked it!
super interesting vid - I've got a 2018 and am surprised how stable and composed it is at high speeds, much better than Hondas, Mazdas and Nissans I've owned previously especially given it's basically a traditional 3 box sedan.
Yep, this one was definitely great.
Makes so much sense why they went to the widebody 2 door.
Get some of that flow to wrap around the C pillar and flow towards the wing
Wide loads have their advantages too!
Can you do some of GR86 and Miatas, since this car is kinda popular and people try to do some DIY aero on it. I think it would be helpful and bring more nerds.
Thanks for the ideas!
thanks for the Burns memory. keep up fellow scubies.
Any time!
The Nissan skyline R33 GTS-T came with 3 different optional wings. (Round where it continued the curvature of the side over the whole boot, flat, where it raised just a little then was a flat plane and GTR where it was lifted substantially, extended beyond the side mounts and was a flat plane)
It would be cool to see the difference between each of these.
Thanks for the idea!
Would love to see one on the RX-8 at some point, given how it's nearly impossible to find any wind tunnel or CFD testing on them :(
Thanks for the idea! We have the RX-8 on the list!
You’ve got me wondering now what the Saab 900 turbo is like, because I just realized all these years later that that quirky look of the roof is actually a kammback design.
Thanks for the idea!
Please do one of these on a hatchback (like a golf). Always been interested in how that body shape works aerodynamically!
Thanks for the idea!
Your channel is fantastic, this is great for a layman like me whose specialty is EEE who is interested in cars but doesn't have the prerequisite knowledge. Also please do this for the nissan GTR, I'm really curious because they claim a drag coefficient of 0.26, I want to know how this boxy car does it.
Thanks for the idea! It's on the list!
any chance you could do the Impreza GT Wagon 1999 model year. Interested in seeing how it being a wagon would affect its aerodynamic profile, as you mention the roof could be extended to help with aerodynamics.
Thanks for the idea!
Awesome video!
Would you ever do an episode on 6gen celica?
The non-gt4 front wheel drive coupe version looks like it would have amazing aerodynamics since the rear has a good teardrop shape and a very small wing
but I struggle to find any concrete information on that online
Thanks for the idea!
I had a 98.5 Mercury Mystique LS Mtx-75 with the SVT sway bars which were smaller up front and larger in the rear. I recalled seeing them on 1994 popular science for low .cd and the car was fast
That had a sleek rear window as well, which would drop the drag a lot.!
@PremierAerodynamics yeah I kept the no wing thing but the duckbill carbon trunklids and a mirko front lip was the top spec
This is beautiful. I'd love to see this on the new 2022+ BRZ, see if those vortex generators are a good idea. :)
Thanks for the idea! We have the older BRZ on the list, and we'll see about the new one!
This is awesome!
Thanks!
The Mk1 TT wing and wingless would be an interesting video as they had a RECALL to add them
Thanks for the idea!
Love the content. Reckon we can get one of a 1990 Holden rodeo😂
Thanks for the idea! We'll see if we can get a good model of it!
Could you please compare this to the wagon version? I’d love to see the differences between them.
Thanks for the idea!
Very interesting video. Could you do a video on the higher V5-V6 style wing?
Thanks for the idea!
Cool information on aerodynamics of subaru.
I have a request for you, a Mercedes CLA C117. It looks a very complete package in efficient
Thanks for the idea!
Damn didn't even talk about the high wings on the GC8s
Very interested to see how the wagon compares
Thanks for the idea!
Would you be able to follow up with the larger square rally spoiler on that's become a signature on the STI models? Maybe the following generation such as the GD Hawkeye.
Thanks for the idea!
Do an aerodynamic of my SYM Jet X scooter.How can I improve it.Does increasing the stock windshield make it more aerodynamic.I am liking this channel.I like motorcycles aerodynamic also.
Thanks for the idea!
I would like to see 90s Opel Vectra's rear view mirrors in a simulation. They look very aerodynamic irl.
Opel Corsa B has a similar shape, there is a design curve that starts in the hood and moves laterally to the mirrors.
Thanks for the idea!
let's see the wagon version!
Thanks for the idea!
GF8 with the mirrors turned in for the win!!! 😂😅😊
The 2006 version mounted a small wing at the end of the roof, supposedly to prevent separation and direct more air to the main rear wing. An unusual device, since I've seen it only on this car and on the Lancia Stratos. I would love to see an analysis of it in comparison to Mitsubishi's vortex generators
Thanks for the idea!
Cool, now an evo 5 or tme for us evo fans would be even cooler, thank you very much
Thanks for the idea!
if you look at aftermarket and subaru racing mirrors from the time, you'd notice how much smaller and aerodynamic they were designed, such as the wrc mirrors, or the famous Ganador mirrors. Would be curious to see how those affect this.
Thanks for the idea!
Can you do a video running down the aerodynamics of the NB or ND miata?
Thanks for the idea!
do the subaru baja next! ive always been interested to see how the bajas aero works.
Thanks for the idea!
thats pretty cool
i noticed some imprezas have a rear roof spoiler on a sedan similar to a lancia stratos does that help with aerodynamics or would that fuck it up even more?
It would definitely be better for downforce than this wing, and for this model, you probably wouldn't get much of a drag penalty. But, for ones with the flow attached down the rear window, that roof spoiler would increase the drag dramatically because now you have a much bigger wake.
What I'd love to see is a video that compares the minor differences between the two different front ends (I-IV and V-VI) qnd compares all the OEM spoilers. I have an obsession lol
Thanks for the idea!
@@PremierAerodynamics you'd actually consider doing that for me? Subbed with notifications on :)
I would love to see a similar analysis for one of the impreza's competitors, the 1994 celica Gt-Four!
Thanks for the idea!
Really wanna look at those cars with proper front-end aero parts, like the Toyota Eagle Mk.III GTP, Dallara Stradale, and maybe, those modern LMH cars
Thanks for the ideas! We'll put some on the list!
A first-gen scion xB could make an interesting video. Every xB forum thread seems to have someone comment on its funky aero.
Maybe a rear lower diffuser would help reshape the wake for better high speed stability??
Thanks for the idea! They are funny!
Now I'm wondering, how would a hyundai Matrix do? (2004)
Thanks for the idea!
3:13 the side mirrors were smaller on the wrc car, probably for that reason
Good point!
I have one with a STI rear wing. Would be cool to see what difference that makes. Seems to lift the dust wake higher at rally races!
Thanks for the idea! The dust flying higher suggests greater downforce.
You mentioned the roof being a low pressure area and would be better if the car (and roof) was a bit longer. The Impreza is a shortened legacy (or whatever it was), where subaru just took their at the time highest performing road car and shortened it for rally use, and I guess they didn't consider the aero affects (like the roof lift) from doing so.
Good points.
Aah, I was hoping you were going to show a model with the higher wing added. You showed the drag coefficient, but do you have the total frontal area you can provide?
Thanks for the idea!
Nice video
Can you do a simulation for the evo x? Thanks
Thanks for the idea! We have it on the list!
I have a mk7 golf R wagon. From research it appears there's almost zero lift. I've not found it to be unstable at high speed. They did a good job of it I think. I've been wondering if some rubber side skirts to seal the underbody edges would help with drag and maybe a little more downforce. Is this something that can be modeled? Or would an imperical test be more suitable? Diffusers, wing and cannards have been proven by VERUS engineering. Admittedly the drage coef is good at 0.27 to 3.0 anyway. Maybe not worth exploring? Also, there's the roof rack rails, maybe can seal between them and the roof to reduce drag. Thoughts?
Sealing the underbody generally works if the car is close to the ground. If it isn't, then there may not be that much gain because the flow isn't following the venturi effect much anyway.
If you want to get more downforce, then lowering the car is the best way because it also typically reduces the drag too. Other downforce approaches typically increase drag.
@@PremierAerodynamics Hey thanks for the response. This makes sense. I'll have a look into it.
you should do the first gen nissan leaf next. I heard the bulbous frog eye headlights help reduce the whistling noise from the mirrors.
Thanks for the idea!
Audi figured this out in the early 80's with the S1 and S1 Pikes Peak.
Where did you get hold of the Impreza model ?
would love to see a video on the GD STI
Thanks for the idea!
They added higher rear wings in the rally version when the wrc specs were introduced in 97
Nice!
I really want to see aerodynamic on Alcyone XT since it was styled for aerodynamic not for eye, but I lkke both XT and SVX.
Thanks for the idea!
Curious where the best place to put a wing on the hatch back version would be, as well as finding out the drag coefficient. Good to know I should change out the mirrors and grab some more arowdynamic wheels.
If you mean the wrx hatch, I would probably leave it how it is because if you put a wing on, it will likely reduce its handling because the front to rear lift ratio will be changed.
If you do put a wing on, then at the back on the roof, but then you also need to increase the splitter at the front to increase lift there too to keep the handling decent.
Fun fact - Prodrive/Subaru brought in Peter Stevens of McLaren F1 fame to design the aero for the championship winning 97 Impreza WRC & the P1.
Well, I guess it worked!
Are there any ways to reduce the drag from the rear window without altering the base car's shape?
Vortex generators are typically used, like the Mitsubishi Evo X. That makes the flow more turbulent and then helps keep the flow attached.
In this video, we go through the flow physics of vortex generators in general: ua-cam.com/video/1dDcvVTU_T0/v-deo.html
I’d like to see simulations on aftermarket body kits like Veilside
Thanks for the idea!
i have a feeling titles like "how to improve the aerodynamics of the (whatever car u doing)
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Hey, can you do the Volvo 850R? Because it looks very boxy but the cw value isent that high. Or the Opel Calibra
Thanks for the idea!
Possible do nc2 or nc3 mazda miata? This car is getting hotter n hotter. THX
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I wanna see aero on the E30 M3, being a boxy car you'd assume it had terrible aero but it won more races than its rivals.
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Can you do the mk1 audi tt with and without the wing?
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How different is the wagon version compared to the sedan?
And what about the Legacy rs before it
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What about a 2006 GTO? How do its hood scoops do taking in air, they seem to far forward and low to be helpful for taking in air.
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I hope that some day you can do this analysis from toyota Jzx100 chaser.
Thanks for the idea!
Also intercooler drag from the scoop on the bonnet would increase lift/ pressure under the bonnet.This air has to go somewhere,which would be under the car creating more turbulence again not good for drag.
Just curious, do you have any idea how flow through the engine bay affects things? especially on race cars you see massive ductworks leading the air in and out at very specific spots, and i assume they have a noticable impact not only on how the air flows but also the pressure points at the front of the car.
They usually add around 20 or 30 counts of drag. Often, the air is funneled out into insensitive regions.
@@PremierAerodynamics thanks for the reply. it's something i've always wondered when looking at people using a solid model to simulate a car, but i also understand it would be pretty complex to model correctly for a youtube video.
Ive driven mine round with no wing for ages since i thought the stock 'banana' wing was ugly 😂. Can you do an sw20 mk2 mr2?
Thanks for the idea!
Curious as to how the aero would be effected by raising the back of the bonnet a bit?
That would reduce the junction when the air hits the wind shield. That would reduce the high pressure there a lot and hence the drag.
Try checking the corolla e100 liftback the front end of the two can fit on each other but very differend rear ends
Thanks for the idea!
How about the Porsche 996.1 with factory aerokit vs. 996 without the kit with the deployable (active) rear wing?
Thanks for the ideas!
Can you do an analysis of Mazda MX-5 Miata with roof up vs roof down and soft-top vs hardtop?
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Wow thanks for interesting video
I have a question impreza type r or coupe impreza seems to be better with down force at the rear but I'm not sure abt it 😅
Thanks! It also depends on the weight distribution, and how much power is going to the rear.
@@PremierAerodynamics impreza from 97 and later i think, has Dccd so power can be distributed from 50/50 till 45/65 weight is the same as basic impreza they all in first gen around 1290kg hard to say about distribution but it seems to be more centered in coupe version
Try mr2 sw20 or aw11, sw20 with 1gen spoiler no wing and end of prod attack wing, and aw11 with whatever u want, didnt see many mr2 aero vids. Remember that sw20 sucks air from below to rear windshield area at higher speeds to help cool the engine
Thanks for the idea!