3x MESSERSCHMITT Bf-109 vs. SPITFIRE | Hangar 10 Fly In 2018
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The Messerschmitt Spitfire Hunt at the 2018 Hangar10 Fly In. What a great Event. A Warbird-Sound overload!
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Which one is your favorite?
I like the DB 605 more.
Messerschmitt.
@@flyingtigers3376 The sound the DB 605 makes is pure joy to the ears. 😊
Great video my friend!! I'm a sucker for German aircraft. The ME109 is such a good looking aircraft. Can't wait to see more from ya!! Keep the AMAZING footage coming. 👍👍👍
I always think the 109 looks like a killing machine whereas a Spitfire looks to beautiful to be a killing machine. I love the Spitfire.
One of the things that most appeals to me about the 109 besides the noise from DB605 is how sinister it looks on the ground and in the air.
The square canopy identifies the 109's look most of all.
I never understood why it wasn't rounded up to reduce air drag
@@Nirolevy1 the roundet it up a little bit in later versions. But round canopiys are harder and more expansive to make.
The rolls Royce on that one 109 makes it look awful...
@@pearcesun 27 looks awful. Yup..
@@Nirolevy1 i dont think it causes that much drag becaus ehow small its frontal erea is
Two very good and powerful planes but my favorite will always be the Messerschmitt. 👍💘🌷🍻🙋🇩🇪🇦🇹
Fw190 v north American p51 for me!
@@eoindee7007
Which Fw 190 and which P 51? The Fw 190 A entered service late 1941, the P 51 D not until mid 1944. I would take a Spitfire Mk IX over either.
@@hakapeszimaki8369
The Fw 190 D 9 entered service in August 1944, the Spitfire Mk XIV entered service in late 1943 and it beat the Fw 190 D 9. Higher top speed and better climb rate. Of course the Luftwaffe was in a bad way by then.
But for the best sound I'll go with spitfire
Mine will always be the spitfire ,out numbered yet won the Battle of Britain !
7:34 Imagine being a british soldier and being happy to see a spitfire. But suddently 3 Bf109 are following it 😂
....unglaublicher Sound und Aufnahmen.........man sieht das die 109 doch das deutlich kleinere Flugzeug ist.....bemerkenswert wie trotz schlechterer Benzinqualität die Bf 109 (Vorkriegsentwurf) aufgrund verschiedenster Updates bis Kriegsende bei einem erfahrenen Piloten in Luftkämpfen erfolgreich sein konnte.
Schön das die Vögel heute noch so geflogen werden können.....einfach nur Danke!
@Carl Napp Schon die Gustavs hatten MW-50 Einspritzung. Sogar die G-6 wurde nachgerüstet, immer soweit es die Materiallage erlaubte.
Danke für das Video, fantastischer Sound! Oft lässt bei anderen Videos die Mikrofonqualität zu wünschen übrig - hier haben die Männer auch mal an diesen ebenso wichtigen Aufnahme- und Erlebnisfaktor gedacht! Daumen hoch!
@Carl Napp jeder weiss die spitfires hatten die beste einspritzung ;)
@Carl Napp
Nicht drauf reagieren
I’m English, yet my heart still goes to the Messerschmitt Bf-109.
you are honest
Aviation LBA gotta show it respect, Amazing machine
I´m, German. Thank you very much. Me too.But in reality these Bf 109 G-6, G-2 an a awsome hermaphrodite would´nt have much chance against these late Spit. Or it would be an very experienced pilot in the Me. (Hartmann-level) Excuse my awesome english. But I think we understand together..Oder so.
@@christianschwab3804 but versions G12 and G14 are same or better in comparasion to lastest version of spitfire... And there was piston engine version of fw190 called TA 152...greetings from Croatia
@@simefestin Hallo Mali. Nice to hear from you from Croatia., an wunderfull land. Yes you´re right. On the other hand the G12 was a trainer, I remeber? The G14 was a very good plane. But without pilots? They had lack of experiecend pilots to this time. Most of them did´nt survive 10 flight´s. against the enemy. Not all of them were a Rall or Hartmann. Greatings to Croatia!
78 years later, the Bf-109 is hunting the Spitfire again.....i love it. Nice Video, thanks for the upload.
Dieter: and not catching it.
@@hoatattis7283 haha...Sure...
The only time when 109 was clearly superior was when when 109 F-4s were fighting Spit Vs.
Spit IX and every variant after that is better than the contemporary 109s.
Fantastic! It gives you a little insight into what it would have been like for someone in the day to have witnessed a dogfight from the ground. What an amazing sight! Really exciting! 😎👍
My granddad (may he rest in peace) told me (back when I was a little boy) about the day he watched a German fighter getting chased down over the town we live in, eventually crashing in the nearby woods. What he remembered most vividly was the fear that one of the salvos might hit *him*. I still have the spent 20mm casing he picked up that day.
What i like about the Spitfire is its distinctive elliptical wings. So unique to the plane one can easily recognize it from afar - from below or up in the skies.
Did you know that the version with the wing tips being squared was the best performer of them all
From what I have read from the many books about the Battle of Britain and the pilots (all the pilots, English, French, American, Polish, Czech, Canadian) and the German pilots, the German pilots respected the Spitfires greatly.
Vielen vielen Dank für das Video! !!! Und vielen Dank an "Hangar 10" für den Erhalt dieser Legenden!! Da gibts nur ein Wort dafür: GEIL...!! Der Sound eines DB 605 ist unvergleichlich. Und hier gleichzeitig drei 109er zu sehen dürfte einmalig sein auf der Welt. Danke nochmals an alle die das möglich machen!!!
m 109 is a flying brick
Wonderful sound of engines.
10:45 sound of compressor on bf 109
Beautiful aircraft in the air together again.
Not forgetting the brave airmen on both sides who paid the ultimate sacrifice. God bless
Absolutely gorgeous aircraft, NOTHING comes close to it!!! The 109 are awesome, they look so menacing. The Germans really had style, clothes, tanks, planes everything was unmistakably made to strike fear through colour schemes and designs.The Spitfire is beautiful plane also but a I am a 109 guy for sure.
semiRETIRED: bUT IT DID NOT WORK
I love the BF109
@@hoatattis7283 It worked pretty well
Hoa Tattis The 109 worked like a charm, especially early war. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the Spitfire was made specifically to be a defense against the 109 because it was superior to what Britain had at the time, I’m not 100% sure on that one though.
@@hoatattis7283 Oh yes it did. The world was scared shitless of them.
My favorite will always be the Spit!! But I loved the whole video the Messerschmitt is one awesome Aircraft as well!!
Did a little research, and Black 8 (or Schwarz 8) is an original Bf109G6, Black 2/Schwarz 2 is a Hispano Buchon rebuilt with a DB605 as a Bf109G14, and Yellow 27 is another Buchon which has been rebuilt as the very rare twin-seat Bf109G12 (including the canopy from a real G12), since this video it has been fitted with a DB605 to complete the trio of original configuration BF109s.
Commenting before I finish watching.. but I simply love and admire all these stunning aircraft.. but my passion is the Spitfire, has been for 40 years since I made my first Spit Airfix model with my dad aged 7.. To prove my inner nerd, I even have 2 FMS 1100mm Spits hanging on my living room wall, a Mk1 & Mk24. 🤓
I never mire or dismiss the Buchon either. The aircraft has its place and without it we would never have had iconic films like The Battle of Britain due to the sad lack of DB engined 109s available at the time..
As for my fave, it will always be the LFVIII/IX Spitfire.. 2 stage, 2 speed Merlin 60 series but still retaining Mitchells design purity.. Great video!
Me too: My mom bought me my first Spitfire model; a 1/72 Revell at age 8... and like a true "first love", it was forever. Later on, at age 12 I was able to build a full hangar of WW-II warbirds in 1/48 scale, then I started to see the beauty of both Me-109 and Fw-190, that almost reached the gorgeous beauty of the Spitfire! Today, at 66, I rate all of them highly, and come to appreciate each and everyone in its own beauty...except that I never liked the latter Spitfire marks, only love the original and up to the IX...
They are both amazing and both flown by amazing people who probably didn’t want to kill each other.
I stay with de ME 109, elegant and straight line plane, increidible war bird.
Слов нет , молодцы пилоты! Побольше таких выступлений!
Jagdflugzeuge die Fliegen....ob da die Bundeswehr nicht neidisch schaut😂😂😂😂😂
Schon gut möglich! Vor allem, dass die Flieger besser sind als die der bw
@@HarryPotter-bs5ss die sind dem Eurofighter ja Hoch überlegen mit dem Großem Propeller !😂😂🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Zu Geil 😂
GetTpOrDIE yes we do
@@GetTpOrDIE nobody cares
What a great video! I really enjoed watching it! Also the sound quality is awesome.
My favorite is of course Messerschmitt G-14/DB 605. Thx for upload Paddy :D
Tolle Aufnahmen, super Sound! Danke fürs hochladen! 👍
Sehr schön solch historische Flugzeuge gemeinsam zu sehen und den Sound zu genießen.
Super Video. 👍
Thanks Paddy. Great video.
Must be an absolute thrill to have the honour in flying these planes
The MS livery is super cool. The later variant of the Spit just looks glorious and sounds awesome.
The G-14 with the DB-605 is definitely my favorite.
Sure it's a g14 not a g10 or g6?
The first version with Methanol-Wasser 50 👍
BF- 109 👍
2 Iconic planes. Both of them are beautiful and amazing machines.
The Japanese Zero I see parked in your video. I love all three aircraft . These machines and the men who flew them are magnificent. What an era. Elegance and beauty, yet deadly in the right hands.
No zero here
Favourite to vote for.
ALL OF THEM.
Those flying machines are magnificent
every warthunder match. one goes on the enemy's tail, the rest follows. love these 109's
It has to be the Spitfire, the winning plane along with the Hurricane, and Sailor Milan 🇿🇦
Indeed ,but hurri did most of the work,more kills by hurris,anyways..spitfire was awesome,so much so the luftwaffe pilots wanted to fly em...as they told Fatso Goering...."give me a squadron of spitfires "...says it all
Willy Messerschmitt "It's impossible to fit the guns in the wings without drastically screwing up the centre of gravity"
R J Mitchell and Sydney Camm "Hold our beers"!.
I love this Sound !
Never Mind All The Comparisons & Critiquing, Just Sit Back & Enjoy Them All! Each Aircraft Has It's Attributes & Faults! The Time For Nit Picking Is Long Since Gone! Give Your Eyes & Ears A Treat!
The 2 real 109s with DB 605s! That and the 190, can't be beat, they sound and look so good!
They were beat by the Spitfire.
So glad people are enjoying the sound and not bitching about "why're there no swastikas on the plane?!?!"
Or, actually half a swastika. I'd rather they'd have nothing on the tail
@Tim Guttesen I don’t think anyone is trying to offend , they just want it as close to original as it can be , I don’t think that emblem will start it up....again , give people a little more credit . This is not about hate
Why, was I not invited to this ??????😜
wow great video. The sound, the planes, I love everything about the planes. That's my biggest wish to fly one myself.
the brother of my grandma flew a 109 with 19 confirmed "kills" i think when i was 16 he said to me " never shot a damaged plane which is not able to fight anymore ... let him safe his life if he can"
Zwei Ikonen am Himmel!
Vielen Dank für die wunderbaren Aufnahmen!
Beste Grüße
Thank you PaddyP. Beautiful machines.
Thank you very much for the video, and that hangar 10 keeps these beautiful flies in such great display. I will try to get by once to experience these beautiful machines in the air.
That growl of the 109 wow, but that purr of the Merlin engine from the spit. 😍
This Spit is a later model, with a Griffon engine.
Awesome work Paddy, these videos never get old!! Keep them coming!
Messerschmitt. best sound
Hör dir mal die FW190 an.
Without doubt. Absolutely
The "spity" sounds like my mother's old coffee grinder and the "Emil" like my sister's coffee maker when the coffee boils... They both excite my neurons ;💪👍😘
love the sound of the Bf109 supercharger on those deck level flybys
The FW 190 has a much more distinctive sound. Love it
Best vid you e ever posted! Love the DB605s! Sound is amazing
It's amazing how small the Bf-109 is and the cockpit is so cramped the plane fits around the pilot like a glove.
The 109s are very sophisticated aircraft even by today's standards.
Lovely!
Thanks for posting.
Wonderful,,,, many thanks for that.
Great to see these old war birds still flying across the sky’s.
bf-109 nice ! my favorite plane
My best friends Father use to tell me a story of what happened during the war when in Malta. How when he was a kid when a Messerschmitt dove down and started shooting at him. He ran and jumped over a fence that saved his life. Incredible! He is still around today bless his heart.
Will you be back in hangar 10 in 2021? I'm German so of course I'm a DB605 fan, but if I had to choose I would fly the Griffon Spitfire. It is undoubtedly one of the best fighter planes of the Second World War. The wonderful Sprifire airframe and then this engine. No questions.
Bf 109❤️❤️❤️
These films are Awesome. Just image what hundreds flying together must have sounded.
Fantastic sight , but you can't beat the best aircraft in the world , the SPIT , especially when you are born just up the road from where R J Mitchell lived , plus also having a min of 30% ownership of a SPIT MK 5B ,
I like when he pats the cockpit @ 14.08, as if to say, thank you for not killing me!! They where notorious for being difficult to handle on takeoff and landing.
Einfach tolle Flugmaschinen.
Herrlich dieser Anblick und das Donnern der Zylindermotoren.
Diese Power :-).
Genauso schön anzusehen wie alte Rennwagen fahren zusehen und auch zuhören.
Aber kann mir einer sagen was die so an kmh fliegen können? .
I have goosebumps and tears in my eyes....SHE IS BEAUTIFUL.
Spitfire is my all time great, although the sound of those 109’s are just amazing, great to see so many flying together 🇬🇧🍻🙋♂️
🇩🇪 bf 109 is better
Awww u english people are so cute lol
@@Chaosflo-dz5bi Bf 109 F-4 is better than Spit V.
Spit IX and all variants after that are superior to their contemporary 109 variants.
Das beste oder nichts..... dieser Sound unglaublich.
The spitfire is beautiful, a symbol of resistance in my eyes
"Low and loud". The 2 words I look for in Paddy's videos. 👍👍👍
Well, I didn`t use the words "Low and Loud" this time, but it basically is low and loud ;-) . Thanks and have a great Day!
@@PaddyPatrone I know,but,I've been binge watching your vids since yesterday.
@Bills Guy especially when you turn up the volume on headphones ;)
That's 3 words..
@@Masterfighterx Thank God,for observant people like yourself.
ein Traum sowas heute noch fliegen zu sehen!
2 best fighters in the European campaign imo. The bf-109 is my favorite. It sounds so amazing.
Simply Impressive ! Beautiful !!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
my Favourite? the Spitfire of the first versions, with elliptical wing and the typical hump on the cockpit.
for the 109 these are all more recent versions than the one I remember (I am referring to the film, fortunately I was not yet in the world during the war) trapezoidal wings witht straight edges, squared cockpit also in the rear connection with the fuselage, these are all Me 109s or have somewhere built under license in Spain? I seem to remember that they were slightly different.
In any case, a beautiful flight demonstration: congratulations to the four "young men" who took them in flight
I hope no one gets mad but technologically speaking the Daimler Benz engine is a masterpiece of German engineering (we are talking about an engine developed in 1939), it is a century ahead of the Rolls Royce.
Is that why the smaller Rolls Royce Merlin gave more power?
По любому тот кто на мессере сзади летел, невольно прицеливался по спитфаеру)
One of the trio isn't a real Messerschmitt, but a Hispano Aviación HA 1112 Buchón. Its airframe is a 109G license built, but it was proudly made in Sevilla, Spain.
When Eagles Fly Again.
awesome.
The sound! What a sweet sound….
Nothing beats the sound of a Merlin and Griffin engine
Spitfire was a beautiful aircraft. Bf109 was a looker too. But the sound of that Rolls Royce, wow 🤩 🇬🇧
The 109 is the older design, yet it flew until after WW2 in Spain and a couple of other countries. It was modified in Germany until the end in 45. The engine was modelled as far as I remember on the Rolls Royce motor, but for design purposes turned upside down. A great little plane with a weak undercarriage.
The Spitfire flew a few months after the Bf 109 and was in service until the 1950's. The first Bf 109 to fly had a Rolls Royce engine.
Superb video. Great sound. The only visuals I dislike on both of these planes is the nonretractable tail landing gear. Looks dated. Prefer the P51 and Typhoon retractable. The 5-blade propeller on Spitfire is quite nice and when starting in this video, it actually "spit fire" out the exhaust. Magnificent. 🏆🙌
As an American it pains me a bit to say this...lol...but the 109 has always been my favorite plane. It just looks perfect to me. The P51 and Spitfire are very close for me, but they can't beat the 109 for looks. Small, light, fast, and well armed...yes. But the looks and sound are 10 out of 10. A glorious machine.
Just beautiful....!
That is all
Which one is my favorite? All of them!!! And all of them are the WINNERS for me as well... Petr from Czech, Europe...
Зачаровує видовище...
Дякую!
Sounds great, a Spit with a Merlin would make it truly magnificent.
If you're talking about favorite "sound," one Bf-109 may as well be counted among the Spitfires as it's the postwar Spanish mod' with a Merlin engine (just, in wartime German markings). The Spanish fitted many of their Bf-109, postwar, with Merlin engines as replacement Daimler-Benz were no longer available when those they already had neared the end of their service lives. While Franco's regime had great difficulty acquiring 'new' military tech (sanctions), the volumes of Merlin engines then-being surplussed were not considered 'sensitive' as the British were otherwise moving to jets. It would be interesting to have a Spitfire and Messer-Merlin with the same engine model do an exact flyby (same speed and altitude relative to recorder's position) as any difference in sound would be purely due to the difference in air flow over their respective air frames.
Name a more iconic duo , ill wait
16.7 million Americans served in WW2
I know, as Hollywood keeps telling us USA won the war.
I admire both aircraft, but my favourite is the Spitfire.
The best bit of machinery ever assembled...
I respect your opinion, and I especially respect you for not being an childish asshole like 99% of British Commenters under ww2 aircraft UA-cam Videos.
This reminds me of a modern color video of WWII. Just imagine a sky full of these planes flying over your country , not just the engines but the sound of weapons firing and bombs dropping.
3 very iconic engines in harmony! Epic video :D
The bf 109 n°27, is spanish air force Franco. Engine hispano-Suiza. Bf 109 sparrow buchon
Klasse Video, mit super Aufnahmen und Sound vom Hangar 10. Das waren zwei tolle Tage dort, die hoffentlich dieses Jahr in der oder ähnlicher Form wiederholt werden (dann vielleicht schon mit der FW190:). Daumen hoch, und Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum erreichen von 10k Abonnenten! 👍
Ja man kann nur hoffen. Danke!
Ich würde mir nur wünschen, das die Bemalung Orgienaler wäre! Galland, Möllers, Marseille!? Ich weiß auch das M&M die Typen nicht mehr geflogen sind! Aber wäre trotzdem toll!👍✌
The Messerschmitt Bf 109 (often referred to as Me 109) was a single-seat German fighter aircraft of the 1930s and 1940s. It belonged to a new generation of low-wing fighter aircraft, which were characterized by a closed cockpit, retractable landing gear and an all-metal construction of the fuselage and wings. In addition to their original purpose, various variants were also used as fighter-bombers, night-fighters and reconnaissance aircraft. With around 33,300 aircraft, the Bf 109 is one of the most-built aircraft and the most-built fighter in history. ----- In analogy to those later designed by Willy Messerschmitt aircraft such as the known Me 262, the type is often referred to as Me 109. After the official naming of the Reich aviation ministry (RLM), however, the historically correct designation was consistently Bf 109, since the design work began in 1934 at the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (BFW). After renaming the BFW in Messerschmitt AG in 1938, the designation no longer changed, as with the Bf 110. All later developed by Messerschmitt aircraft types (Me 163, Me 210/410, etc.) but received the abbreviation Me in the type designation.
The first flight took place in May 1935. The first series machines were incorporated in February 1937 in the "Jagdverbände" of the German Air Force. Despite the early start of construction before the outbreak of the Second World War, the Bf 109 was by constant improvements until 1945 a competitive pattern in use against the Allies.
Until the unconditional surrender of the Wehrmacht in 1945, the Bf 109 remained the standard Luftwaffe fighter aircraft, supplemented by the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 from mid-1941 onwards. Airplanes of this type were also used by numerous other air forces, for example in Finland, Yugoslavia, Croatia, Romania , Hungary, Italy and Switzerland. Type: fighter
Design Country:
German Reich , German Empire
Manufacturer: Messerschmitt
First flight: May 28, 1935 [1]
Built: 1937
Production time:
1936 to 1945 (HA-1112 to 1958)
Number of pieces: approx. 33,300 (of which 30,573 from German production) --- In action, the Bf 109 E proved to be a very good fighter over Poland, Norway and France, which was flown by well-trained and partly combat-driven pilots. The disadvantage of the short range fell in the early campaigns of the Wehrmacht still little importance. Only during the Battle of Britain, when the German fighter squadrons met for the first time on a large scale on equal opponents (both in technical, and - with a certain time delay - in terms of tactics), the strengths and weaknesses of the Bf 109 E clearly visible.
At medium and high altitudes, the Bf 109 E was faster than the Spitfire and significantly faster than the Hurricane at all altitudes. This height advantage could be used by the German pilots again and again, if they could plunge in accompanying operations from excessive positions on the British bombers attacking British fighters. With an armament of two 20 mm MG FF guns and two 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, they also had a greater firepower than the British hunters with their battery of eight 7.7 -mm machine guns - mainly due to the explosive ammunition of the machine guns.
Compared to the British hunters Spitfire and Hurricane had the Bf 109 E a larger turning circle. Although it had a higher lift coefficient and a lower weight than the Spitfire, but due to its much smaller wing, it still had a roughly 20% larger turning circle at the same speed. In terms of fall speed, the Bf 109 E surpassed both British patterns.
Another advantage of the Bf 109 E was the Daimler-Benz engine with direct fuel injection, which allowed to push hard into a dive without the engine suspended (defensive maneuvers in the air combat tactics). The British aircraft with carburetor engines had to initiate the dive with a time-consuming half-roll and therefore could not follow fast enough. The biggest disadvantage of the Bf 109 E at the time of the "Battle of Britain" was its short range. During escort operations, the German pilots often had only enough gasoline over their targets for ten to a maximum of 20 minutes air combat and often the choice to abandon the bomber or to risk a ditching in the English Channel because of fuel shortage. The development of the E-Series had brought a new, simplified cockpit can with improved armor before the beginning of the air battles over England with the E-4 version, but the urgently needed introduction of an additional tank could not be completed before the end of the Battle of Britain. This succeeded only in the fall of 1940 with the version E-7. - -- With no other aircraft model in the history of the air war more kills were achieved than with the Bf 109. For example, Erich Hartmann recorded 352 confirmed aerial victories, only in different models of the Bf 109th One of the most famous fighter pilots on a Bf 109 E and Bf 109 F in North Africa was Hans-Joachim Marseille, who scored 151 of his 158 total shootings against British Royal Air Force aircraft during the African campaign. Other drivers of the Bf 109, which achieved high firing numbers, were Gerhard Barkhorn with 301 aerial victories, Günther Rall with 275 aerial victories and Hermann Graf with 212 aerial victories. The most well-known pilots of the Bf 109 were Werner Mölders (115 victories) and Adolf Galland (104 victories), who successively held the post of general of fighter pilots.
The extraordinarily high shooting numbers achieved with the Bf 109 in World War II are due to a combination of factors. Initially, the Bf 109 was a well-constructed aircraft, which was at the beginning and in the middle phase of its service life to the most powerful fighter aircraft was calculated. Similar to the British Spitfire, the Bf 109's cell was able to accommodate increasingly powerful engines and heavier weapons. This countered the general trend for higher speeds and higher altitudes in the aerial battles, as most aerial victories were achieved not by tight cornering but by surprise attacks from excessive positions. Thus, the Bf 109 was until about the end of 1942 as an aircraft that provided its pilots benefits that could be compared with the patterns of the opposing side or better than these were. In particular, in the first twelve months of the war against the Soviet Union, the German fighter pilots met technically obsolete enemy aircraft, which were used after outdated air combat tactics. This caused the firing numbers of the Luftwaffe to rise sharply. Mfg Magnus
A long story which fails to explain why the Spitfire was better.
@@barrierodliffe4155 if further questions are required, I am ready to answer them. And if you should take the trouble to read what I wrote a little more carefully, you would find that I have explained the advantages and disadvantages of the Me 109 here ... What was of course the most important point in a dogfight is the individual experience of the Pilots and implementation of the flying characteristics of the respective aircraft. If you look at the whole thing rationally, and of course disregard such factors as air superiority. And if you are so convinced that the Spitfire was better than the Me 109 in all areas, then you should definitely be able to prove this ... That about your comment:
A long story which fails to explain why the Spitfire was better Mfg Magnus
@@magnusmcgraw
It amazes me how much you get wrong, the Bf 109 E was not as fast as a Spitfire Mk I, I take the truth above your rants, the Spitfire had a better climb rate and better dive speed.
If i look at it rationally then if the Bf 109 was better then the Luftwaffe should have done better at Dunkirk. It was Kesselring who said the Spitfire was the reason that the Luftwaffe could not prevent the evacuation. I also find that even when outnumbered three to one or more by Bf 109's, that Spitfires more than held their own in the Battle of Britain. You fail to explain anything at all.
I know that the Bf 109 had an advantage at over 20,000 feet but that was no good for defending the bombers from the RAF and since the RAF concentrated mostly on the bombers then I go along with Adolf Galland who said the Spitfire was better at the job it had than the Bf 109 at the job it had.
@@barrierodliffe4155 that's silly of you to say so quickly that I'm totally wrong. Your facts on the subject are so ridiculous and ignorant, but that's your opinion. I won't bother to translate it for you now, but here are a few facts and dates. And you won't change anything about them either. it is always interesting to see how beautiful narrow-minded some people are. Read this or leave it ... Vergleich Supermarine “Spitfire” Mk. IA zur Messerschmitt Bf 109 E
Die Supermarine “Spitfire” ist ein sehr ernster Gegner für die deutsche Messerschmitt Bf 109, kurz “Me 109”, zum Zeitpunkt der Luftschlacht um England im Jahr 1940, ein gleichwertiger Widersacher - allerdings mit anders gewichteten Qualitäten. Ähnlich wie im Falle der Hawker “Hurricane” ist die Spitfire dem Messerschmitt Bf 109-Jäger im Kurvenkampf überlegen, da die Spitfire erheblich engere Kurvenradien fliegen kann als ihr deutscher Erzrivale. Auch an Höchstgeschwindigkeit im Horizontalflug schenken sich beide Entwürfe mit etwa 587 km/h (Spitfire) zu 570 km/h (Me 109 E-1) nicht viel. Die Spitfire ist etwas schneller, abhängig von der Flughöhe, unterhalb von 6.000 Metern ist sie langsamer. Diese geringe Differenz im Horizontalflug ist kaum von Bedeutung. Doch im Steigflug - zumindest unterhalb einer Höhe von 6.000 Metern - und im Sturzflug kann ein Me 109-Pilot jede Spitfire abhängen.
Einer der wichtigsten Trümpfe der deutschen Messerschmitt Bf 109 E gegenüber den britischen Jagdflugzeugen der Jahre 1939 und 1940, Hawker „Hurricane“ Mark I und Supermarine „Spitfire“ Mark I und Mark II , ist ihr 1175 PS (876 kW) starker Daimler-Benz-DB-601Aa-V-12-Einspritzmotor. Dieser Motor hat gegenüber seinem britischen Gegenstück, dem in der Spitfire wie auch der Hurricane eingebauten Rolls-Royce-Merlin-II-V-12-Motor, einen entscheidenden Vorteil: die Benzineinspritzung! Denn der Rolls-Royce Merlin II ist ein 1.030 PS (768 kW) starker Vergasermotor, dessen Schwimmvergaser bei negativer g-Belastung die Benzinzufuhr kurzzeitig unterbricht und Aussetzer verursacht.
Dies bedeutet als Konsequenz, dass eine Messerschmitt Bf 109 E aus dem Horizontalflug heraus ohne Verzögerung sofort in einen harten Sturzflug übergehen kann, ohne dass der Motor irgendwelche Probleme damit hätte - durch die Einspritzpumpe ist die Benzinzufuhr gesichert. Versucht ein Spitfire-Pilot mit demselben Manöver zu folgen, so wird der Sog der nach oben gerichteten Fliehkraft seinen Motor „abwürgen“. Der britische Flugzeugführer hat keine andere Wahl, als eine halbe oder ganze Rolle zu fliegen, die sein Flugzeug im Abschwung auf den Rücken dreht, und erst dann wieder in die aufrechte Position auszutarieren, wenn er seine Sturzflugneigung erreicht hat. Nur so kann er negative „g“ für seine Rolls-Royce-Maschine vermeiden. Nach dem Manöver muss er sich erst einmal umsehen, wo sein deutscher Gegenpart geblieben ist. In der Regel hat der bereits einen großen Vorsprung, der durch die bessere Sturzfluggeschwindigkeit der Messerschmitt Bf 109 E schnell uneinholbar wird …
So bleibt zusammenzufassen, dass die deutsche Messerschmitt Bf 109 E den britischen Spitfire Mk. I/Mk. II und Hurricane Mk. I gegenüber im Sturz- und Steigflug an Geschwindigkeit überlegen ist. ihr Vorteil im schnellen Wegsteigen nach oben verliert sich in Bezug auf die Spitfire ab 6.000 Meter Höhe zunehmend. im Horizontalflug schlägt die „109“ mit 570 km/h jede Hurricane, die mit 521 km/h nicht mithalten kann. im Gegensatz zur Spitfire, welche dem Messerschmitt-Jäger in dieser Hinsicht ungefähr ebenbürtig ist und daher im Verlaufe des Krieges geradezu zum Erzrivalen avanciert.
Beiden Jagdflugzeugen der englischen Royal Air Force kann ein Me 109-Pilot in dieser Zeit mit einiger Leichtigkeit entkommen, wenn er unvermittelt seinen Jäger in einen steilen Sturzflug zwingt. Kaum ein britischer Flugzeugführer wird ihm dann schnell genug folgen können. Dies sollte sich später ändern, da die Briten selbstverständlich notgelandete deutsche Jagdflugzeuge untersuchen und ihre Entwicklungs-Schlüsse aus dem Ergebnis ziehen werden. Doch auch die Deutschen schlafen nicht!
Anders werden die Karten im Kurvenkampf gemischt. Hier sind beide britischen Modelle dem deutschen Messerschmitt-Jäger überlegen und können ihn mühelos auskurven. Es ist also für den deutschen Piloten in einer Me 109 nicht ratsam, sich auf ein solches Duell einzulassen - wenn es denn vermeidbar ist! Ist es das nicht, ist fliegerisches Können gefragt! Viele haben diese Fähigkeiten 1940 noch. Der Ausbildungsstand der deutschen Flugzeugführer - auch der Nachwuchspiloten - ist hoch. Das sollte sich unter dem gnadenlosen Druck der Luftlage im Laufe der Jahre gründlich ändern.
Hinsichtlich der Bewaffnung wiederum hat der deutsche Pilot alle Asse im Ärmel. Wenige Treffer seiner beiden Bordkanonen sind für einen feindlichen Jäger bereits das Ende, während die kleinkalibrigen britischen Geschosse schon in größerer Zahl treffen müssen, um die gewünschte Wirkung zu erzielen. Daher haben die britischen Jäger folgerichtig auch doppelt so viele Waffen an Bord, wenn auch bei den fast ausschließlich verbauten „A“-Tragflächen ausnahmslos nur Maschinengewehre.
Dies hat beträchtlichen Einfluss auf die angewandte Kampftaktik, denn die deutschen Piloten versuchen, sich nicht auf einen Kurvenkampf einzulassen, sondern überraschend - beispielsweise mit der Sonne im Rücken anfliegend, welche den Gegner blenden muss - aus der Überhöhung heraus anzugreifen. Nach der Attacke tauchen sie sofort weg - nur, um aus dem Abschwung heraus einen neuen Angriff einzuleiten. Die unflexible britische v-förmige Dreier-Ketten-Formation („Vic“) begünstigt dieses deutsche Angriffsverfahren zusätzlich, da sie ein Gegenmanöver in geordneter Form fast unmöglich macht. Der einzige Ausweg, der den Engländern bleibt, ist, auseinander zu stieben. Danach sind die britischen Piloten selbst in ihrer Vielzahl jeder für sich zu Einzelkämpfern zersplittert. By the way, I fail to explain anything at all. Lol , if the Me 109 was as bad as you say here then explain to me why it was the most built and most successful fighter aircraft in WWII .. you genius. Over 100 German fighter pilots Asse achieved more than 100 confirmed kills with the Me 109. Your dear Adolf Galland in front! how many English pilots have such high numbers of kills? Don't tell me about the war and that I'm totally wrong. and you go along with Adolf Galland ?? Then you should read his biography, The First and the Last: The Rise and Fall of the German Fighter Forces: 1938-1945. Then you'd know what I'm talking about, you ridiculous little ignoramus. Und jetzt ist es genug davon, komm wieder wenn du was gelernt hast zur Geschichte.
@@magnusmcgraw
Sure you have just one source and refuse to look at anything that does not agree with it. I look at as many different sources as I can. For the Bf 109 I have looked at German, French, US, USSR and Swiss sources and the German numbers are not the highest.
I did read that but it is not very accurate, for a start the 1030 PS which is about 1044 was obtained at low boost. by the Battle of Britain the Spitfire and Hurricane were using the more efficient ROTOL prop and higher boost, the Mk II had th enewer Merlin XII engine so your uninformed source numbers are well out.
Try this for size, the Spitfire Mk II using 2,850 rpm and 9 lbs boost gave 1,140 hp and both Mk I and Mk II could use 3,000 rpm and 12 lbs boost.
Having looked at the first part and seeing so many errors I did not bother reading the rest.
Unlike you I did not say the 109 was bad, it did serve right through the war but it was not as good as the Spitfire. You try to make out that the Bf 109 was better because of high claim numbers forgetting what they claimed or even that many Luftwaffe pilots overclaimed. Galland and I do have his book " The First and the Last" Unlike you he had great respect for the Spitfire. If you had a clue you would not quote Luftwaffe pilot claims, most of which were inferior aircraft and many of them false.
Ignorance is your speciality.
You know! I have seen the Bovington Tiger put through its paces followed by the Comet. Suffice to say that the Tiger sounded like a bag of spanners in comparison. Must be something to do with Rolls Royce methinks' :)
Super Video mit klasse Sound vor allen Dingen von den BF Messerschmitt 109 tolle Flugshow 👋👋👋👍 man hat ja die Zeit nicht miterlebt aber man kann sich dadurch auch durch den Klang dieser Flugzeugmotoren eine Vorstellung machen was da am Himmel damals los war im Luftkampf 🙈🙄 mein Traum war es auch immer mal an einem Steuerknüppel einer Bf 109 einmal zu sitzen, naja meine Lizenz ist schon viele Jahre abgelaufen aber schön das noch solche Maschinen erhalten werden und auch geflogen werden👍 dann Hals und Beinbruch den Fliegerfreunden👍 immer allzeit Fahrt und Höhe and happy landing 🙏🍀🌄
Nice , I see the third one is a 2 seater Messerschmitt with a Merlin engine possibly a trainer made by the Spanish after WW2