Will it Run and Make Power? - Beacon Generator
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- A subscriber sent this Beacon generator to me at no cost. The only condition was I make a video on it. He did not say it had to run and make power, but of coarse that is the goal. I don't know the history on this generator. From looking at it I would say it spent most of its life outside. There is a lot or rust and aluminum oxide and some missing pieces. This generator was made by Generac and branded Beacon. Will it run and make power again?
Fun fact: In 1998, Generac sold its portable products division to the Beacon group, a private equity firm, who later sold it to Briggs & Stratton Corporation. Upon expiration of a non-compete agreement related to the sale in 2007, Generac re-entered the portable generator market in 2008.
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Generator Model: 01277-0
Engine Model: GN-410 EHF-04108-1
Power Control Board (PCB) Part Number: 84132GS
System Control Board (SCB) Part Number: 83970GS
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For some reason UA-cam has been processing this video for over 24 hours and as a result high definition is not available only 360p. Will force UA-cam to reprocess the video. Most likely the low definition playback will stop while processing. With any luck both the low and high resolution versions will be available later this morning. Otherwise will upload from scratch and release as new.
Ive had this happen a few times, looks like you typically post in 1080p, might be because its 1+hour and i think youtube does a different compression process for that length (not 100% on this). Double check what your bitrate is on the export, one trick I do sometimes when theyre this long is render it in 720p (high bitrate), then create a new 1080p timeline from that and render that out. Yes the resolution will be lower, but would take less time to get the full video uploaded and it would still show as an HD upload and takes up much less space on your hard drives
Nevermind about that 1Hr plus different processing thing, i dont think thats right. but give that re-wrap idea a try. youtubes compression and processing can be a bit finnicky
Highest quality is 360p in settings (2 hours after your post)
Still a very interesting video and a nice generator 😉
Yes, still only 360p 3 hours later. It happened to me once. I ended up deleting the video and reupload. But, we know you have a schedule to keep being a more mainstream channel. Still appreciate the video.
@@Conservator. UA-cam is having a lot of trouble processing the HD. Fingers crossed it will complete sometime soon.
Thanks for featuring my repair video James! I'm sure when our part 2 videos come out it will give clarity to what happened with this machine.
You bet!
Thanks for providing a generator For James to do a entertaining video on @Baddguitarist1985
Fun to watch this collaboration!
i worked for Generac from about 97-2001. This is in fact an XL generator. If I remember correctly, this model had one central front rotating caster wheel. Beacon was an investment firm that had an interest in Generac. I left when Briggs purchased the portable products division, which included this model. The engine is also made by Generac. Quality product for the price. Good vid. Brings back some good memories when Y2K hit and gen sales were absolutely crazy!!!
I found a picture of the generator with the missing wheel. Looked a little like a Honda ATC. Just need a seat and handle bar. The XL generators were built very well. Was hoping this one had survived the neglect. But even a good machine can be stopped in its tracks when left outside for a long time.
Oof, I felt that "Where did it go?" when the pin went flying. Losing those small bits drives me bonkers! Love the vids!
A Thursday treat. Always most welcome. Thanks much.
I just found your channel and I will tell you a story about a genset given to me and what a small world we live in !!! I was given the exact same generator because of a no output issue . The story goes that it got rained on and stopped making power , I did some research and followed the tests with my meter on the head and everything checked out resistance wise , I got together with Gary on line , sent him the boards and it turned out to be be a bad diode in the system control board , I installed the board in the genset and I fired the unit and it works like a charm !!!! Gray's great !!!! LOL still have the unit and just serviced it for winter , My unit was stored inside so did not have the rust and corrosion issues , Great video , all the best Bob k
What I really enjoy about James is the way he methodically approaches each situation to diagnose and determining the root cause of the problem and corrective actions. Outstanding James!
Favorite moment? Watching the float pin disappear off the screen knowing it would mean a flashlight or drop cord and a bunch of crawling on hands and knees until it was located. Priceless. I am not alone in this world.
You even got two ratchet straps to boot! When I have bolts or screws stuck like that, I take a punch and shock them to break that bond a little. This one has been quite a challenge. Can't wait to see the conclusion!!! Thanks James!
Another well presented video , keep up the good work , aways a pleasure tuning in !
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Watching now!!
I’ve been watching your videos and I’m a subscriber. I learn so much from you and want to thank you for that. I started repairing power equipment from watching you only a few weeks ago. I’ve been a mechanic for over 40 years. I’m retired now and recovering from cancer. I’m ok and In remission. Ever since I started to do repairs and troubleshoot power equipment I’ve been in a much better place. So far I’ve brought back 3. Two gens and a chipper/shredder. Thank you so much for putting me in a better place and sharing your knowledge. I find your videos relaxing to watch
I do need to purchase some tools though. Especially the ultrasonic cleaner you have. That’s a nice tool
I got a lot more smoke and bang last year when I hooked up the capacitor backwards on that old basket case you helped me with James. When a capacitor blows it is messy. The slow motion replay of the fireworks on this project was excellent. Thanks for the excitement! I'm glad it didn't smoke your rotor or stator. I'd say the person who sent you this unit is getting their monies worth.
ProTip: "Monies" is the plural while "money's" is ownership, so it should be "money's worth" 😃
Glad to see you've got a mega tester 👍
When you get crusty old equipment it can help to go around and put
a small shot of PB Blaster on fasteners and on edge crevices where
sheet metal is fastened. Let it soak awhile and then briefly play the
flame from a propane torch on the screws or bolts to heat them just
enough to get a wisp of smoke and then PB Blast them again while
still hot. Later when you try to break these crusty fasteners loose,
most will break free. It can help to tap the fastener sharply metal
to metal using a solid as a drift, like using a driver bit on a Philips
to do an initial manual impact before gunning it and doing this
while still hot can improve the chances of breaking the parts free.
The manual impact bit drivers that are struck with a hammer to
drive a spiral can also do the job on the most stubborn parts if
the structure is solid enough to survive the jolting impact used.
I was kinda wondering the same thing. PB blaster, or (gasp) WD-40, with some heat on the internal threads from the outside may well buster loose. Oh! Should you, or when you extract the snapped off fasteners? sometimes, but not always? left-handed drill bits can be your friend. Logic is the bit is applying heat whilst turning in the correct direction for extraction. I ALMOST fell out of my chair when you punched out that float pin. "IT'S GONE!" "It's gone!" Black holes! 😂 But you found it...THIS time! 👍
@@AmosBHaven Working on motorcycles having cast aluminum
crankcases with cast aluminum housing covers fastened on with
cadmium plated steel Phillips head machine bolts, the natural
effect of dissimilar metals produced the worlds best locktite.
A similar effect occurs for stainless steel bolts in aluminum
engine blocks for outboard motors especially in sea water use.
Screws and bolts on cast iron exhaust manifolds are a joy in
comparison to those frozen fastener scenarios and all keep
the Helicoil thread insert manufacturers having job security.
I use that copper powder anti seize grease very often and
on spark plug threads, the same used on oxygen sensors.
Heat and penetrating oil and impact drivers are helpful but
there is sometimes the stubborn stuck fastener that is like
a stuck wheel lug and only comes loose when wrung in two,
or drilled, ground, welded, saws alled, or dynamited loose.
Give me that 8 foot pipe as a cheater handle and I can break
it loose every time even if I have to put a jack under the end
and jump on it. Bring me my sledge hammer. I can fix it.
@@artpatronforever I once used a 2 ton bottle jack against an 18" Herbrand adjustable wrench to preload a bronze strut on a boat to align it better with the prop shaft. While under pressure I hit the strut with a 4 lb hand held sledge hammer. I got the desired twist and then the lower jaw broke and flew out of the wrench. It missed me and I never found it.I believe it is still in earth orbit.
I got a new wrench under warranty!
Get yourself a couple of cans of AeroKroil and KanoKroil penetrant for those rusted screws and stuck connectors. Nothing better to unstick rusted threads. Thanks for the videos, always learning something from them.
I am sure part 2 will be as interesting to watch as this episode has been. Your methodical approach generates results and eliminates potential problems. Well done James !
Only a good interesting video, can be enjoyable to watch. Looking forward to seeing Pt 2. Regards George.
I’ve been following you, on the endeavors to save generators. You have the magic touch, as to saving these boat anchors! Good work!!
It’s pleasure to watch you at work my friend thanks again
Ah! Part deux! Damn you Mustie1! 😉 Worth the wait though I'm sure and thanks to Gary for his collaboration on this one!
AW, man. You almost had it fixed but not realizing that it made a difference which leg you connected, popped the voltage regulator PCB again. Live & learn. It was junk when you got it but looks like you will be able to save it. (fingers crossed). Kudos to Bassguitarist1985!!!
Thank you sir!
You made the nicest adventure video from the old rusty generator. Love it.
Awesome video. Love the troubleshooting. Great dialog. Thanks for sharing
This one is definitely a challenge, but even as rough as it looks there's a quality machine under all the neglect, looking forward to seeing how things play out
I am normally interested in these videos, but since I have a Generac 7000 EXL generator, I was even more interested than usual. I purchased this new around 2005. Mine has worked fine all these years. Often only needed for a few hours to a day due to power outages. It did have to run for 7 days when we lost power after super storm Sandy back in 2012. My generator is stored inside my garage which is indirectly heated by the house so no rust. Some of the control panel decals are fading, but otherwise looks like new.
I did notice the tank on this one has a drain around the fill cap. Mine is a circular recess so rain water builds up and cannot drain. The Beacon tank is a better design.
Looking forward to part 2. Fingers crossed the re-repair does the trick.
Dave.
I got the same machine as you. Not sure what revision but make sure there is a 10 amp inline fuse at the starter button on the battery side. There is a thin wire that goes from the battery side all the way back to the powerhead. This is to charge the onboard starting battery. Many don't keep a battery on the machine and if the positive cable grounds to the frame that 10 amp fast blow fuse will protect the stator windings from cooking.
Thanks for the information. I do keep a battery in the unit, replaced a year or two ago. I just checked my unit and it has the 10amp inline fuse on the thin wire. Good to know about this.
My model is 01470, Revision 00
Dave.
@@lv_woodturner3899 same model is my machine! Awesome
Man, what a journey! I’m sure you’ll get it all sorted out in the next video. Thanks James and thanks to the subscriber who donated the machine!
One of your best yet James. Well done
James, I went to your Amazon store, I got an ultra sonic cleaner, I have one at work for carbs but not one for home, but now I do, thank you for all you videos with awesome info
At one point you popped up a note that the brush reading was 225,000 ohms, but your meter seemed to read 0.235 kohm. That means it was more like 235 ohms. Thanks for a good video once again.
I have faith in you! You’re going to get it running properly!
Finally, a video that really taxed your brain there James. Can't wait for part 2 and I'm pretty sure we'll see a fully functioning generator. Great video.
I hope so. But the board blew out in the same way as it was before the repair. Not sure its the board.
I couldn't find the next video in this series. I am way impressed you stuck with it to isolate the repaired board. Great science!
Part 2 will be release tomorrow
@@jcondon1 Great! I keep learning and learning from your methods and that you don't give up until you understand. Thanks.
Wonderful video, I admire your perseverance in understanding what is happening. Also the explanation you give is wonderful.
In the Netherlands, most people don't use a generator, yet I keep watching your videos. They are very interesting and certainly educational. Thanks for that.
that is due to theh fact that Nederland and Western Europe is not subjected to a third world power distibution system like the US and Canada...!
@@kpdvw Maybe last year... This year, another story. Yes, we have third world infrastructure, but we do have fuel.
How and why did I smell that board smoking? This is a great and very informational video describing the how generators work and what can fail on the electrical side of it. Your calm and very informational demeaner is awesome. Keep up this kind of great work and I'll keep watching!
Amazing electrical troubleshooting video! I'm looking forward to Part 2! I really, really want to see that giant headlight working :)
I come from a background of industrial control wiring, but working on generators have always been a bit confusing to me. I have been watching your videos and have learned so much on the way they are wired and how to properly check them. Thanks! You the Man!
Hi James some great electrical troubleshooting mate Some of it a little over my head but very educational as always thanks for sharing
Thanks Dean. This was a technical one for sure.
The pressure lubricated generators are nice. Bought a good used generac from my neighbor before he moved and it only has 20 hours on it. I mainly use it for welding but also use it when the power goes out as my other generator still runs good it has a bad AVR and it's on backorder
I'm really surprised that you aren't using your new air lift,.... Great video my Man!
I tried, but was difficult to get it on without the handle. So went old school.
@@jcondon1 You need to build a simple ramp
That one is a big challenge, Nice work and thanks.
Well done subscriber for sending in, and we'll done for the investigation so far, look forward to part 2. Its curious but sure you're get it...
Another good one James. I really enjoy your calm and methodical demeanour. I will eagerly await Pt2.
This is a hard one to figure out, but i know you can do it. i will be waiting for the next one. keep up the good work.
I am waiting for part 2 part one was very interesting. Always learning something new. It has my mind trying to figure out what it might be. It is like a good mystery who done it. Your knowledge and professionalism makes you a good communicator and teacher. Enjoy your channel and content. ❤
In removing rusty bolts, tapping on the bolt head with a small steel hammer helps, sometimes.
Enjoyed the video and anxious to see part 2, I’m sure you will get it working.
I don't have much of a problem with the engine side of a generator, but I think the more I watch your videos, I am learning about generator problems and how to fix them.
Thank you for trying to help us that don't know. Happy New Year Sir.
Hopefully the generator works as it should without issue when you get a new board, nice work as always James, looking forward to part 2!
Amazing piece of equipment. Really impressed with THD. Love your videos!
I would agree about the style of generator, I had in a similar one but it was labelled Generac.
Paid $100 for about 10-12+ years ago used it a bunch primarily when welding, ended up reselling it roughly 3 years ago after buying a much larger generator for $50, the Generac was a little bit rough around the edges, but it was still operational.
Brilliant James learning more all about the electronic side many thanks great video 👍
Another great video! Never fails my man! Blessings and respect!
Woops. Looking forward to Pt 2 and the final verdict.
Just thinking that an Astronaut styled pre take off Check List is needed James for future problems such as this!
Part 2 please ! Thank you for your videos, I have learned a lot from your content. I am studying repair and maintenance of electric generators. here is a student who follows you from PUERTO RICO!
James that's why I never tork a carburetor when I'm testing without an air cleaner. You mess up the gaskets. Just get it snug so it don't have a vacuum leak between the carburetor and the engine is all that's required.
LOL, I saw that spider in the frame peek it's head out. Must be checking your work Jimbo 🕷🕷🕷Don't know where the gen came from but be careful some poisonous spiders like black Widow or brown recluse didn't hitch a ride to your house. That would be very bad! Thanks for the Vid as Always!
I can't believe more people didn't notice that. Not a black widow (says the desert dweller with at least a couple in the basement at any one time). That sticky filamentous web is concerning, but a recluse ... dunno. Funny watching it come and go tho. 🕷
Good effort with the battery excitation have done similar working with Aggreko generators when I was in Africa. Great source of information. Keep it up mate!👍👍👍
Those generacs of that generation are a good motor with full pressure lube and most of them have a filter too (denoted by XL). One of my only beefs with them are the carburators, they are quite finicky and the idle jet gets gummed up after only few months if it is left with gas in the carb and not used. On the generator side of those older Genny's they have alot of issues with the avr/ auto idle boards in my experience they need constant adjustment to keep the voltage from being to high or low and the boards often fail, I've used universal avrs to get them up and running and that seems to be a good solution, I've also seen quite a few with burned up windinds on both the stator and rotor not sure if they burned up because of bad avrs pushing the voltage to high or just bad insulation on the windings. In fact I have 3 low hour nearly brand new engines sitting on the shelf that came from generators with burned up windings.
Electrical stuff makes my brain hurt.🥴So glad that you can sort this electrical stuff out. Looking forward to round 2.
Amazing work James thanks for sharing your knowledge 🦘👍
Wow, I had a Sears (Generac) generator just like that. It always started with one pull regardless of the weather. Sold it and had a Kohler whole house automatic generator installed. I just got tired of going outside in inclement weather ( it's always crappy out when the power goes out ) and starting the generator up. The nice thing about it was the idle down feature.
Nice video thank you! The 3 lead flat back power transistor with heat sink on back can be intermittent. They do not survive well if running hot! The leads brake loose! Some times they are mounted with a flex bend in the leads. Ron PTL USA
Thanks for the video James, very informative, hope to see a follow-up 😊❤
I like the way you trust the engine components. I would take the whole thing apart, but there are more pressing things first, like getting it to produce power without burning out. Very interesting, and looking forard to seeing PT2. thanks :) Oh by the way, thats the first time I've seen your face, so I'll have to limit how much I watch for future reference PMSL :)
for those little rusted screws, heat the head and the let it sit so the heat distributed into the aluminum. you might do this s few times. Aluminum expands at 3 times the rate of steel and the heat helps break down the oxidation.
A real head scratcher,Ive been there myself, doing this stuff under warranty on other machines
Just a quick tip: When your float pin is stuck like that, try some carb and choke cleaner first to remove any built up varnish. But when it's hammer time, support the other side with a deep socket at least the length of the float pin. That way you decrease side loading of the standoffs with each hammer strike. Cheers 🍻
What a roller-coaster ride that was.
14:58 Mr. Spider just chilling in that hole, moved when you started moving stuff around. 22:40 He tries to come out. Scared me! Haha!
James as usual you pulled a dead machine back from oblivion. It was kind of tricky but skill and luck combined with experience has worked out in favor of your skills. I like the way you edit your video they are in logical sequence and that is nice to see your videos are predictable until there is a I GOTCHA but you have never let me down. Working for yourself has advantages no overhead and nobody telling they have a headache. Your viewer base seems to support you a lot. Thank you fr sharing your knowledge and skills. Ed 👍
Mustie- 1. Puts a Q tip in a drill to clean out the needle and seat jet. He cuts off one end. Thought you might like that .Seems to work well.
That machine must have been sitting for a significant period of time. I have never seen a small engine application with fuel that had varnished to that degree before.
Love your vids. It’s the attention to detail and the methodical approach to troubleshooting that makes it easy and fun to watch. Also still wondering why your not using the lift we saw a few vids ago.
Long video... But I didn't skip any. Great diags.
I think you have earned a new doctorate degree: Dr. Of Diagnostics. 😁
lot of times those float pins have a knurled end that keeps them secure once its driven in, and you want to drive them out the reverse so the knurling disengages almost immediately, it looks like maybe that pin had that feature.. if the pin does not drive easy, try the other direction.
Also some pins are tapered and the holes of the posts are slightly different sizes to match the taper which makes the pin directional and it only goes in and comes out from one side.
Wow I learned allot on this one. Great video as always!
You have a Lift and Yet, you are still working on the floor. Why! I await a part 2 to this machine! Pre lubing the bolts MAY have been in order!
Great job Mr. C, you look like my uncle, my dads Brother
From Derrick Congdon LOL
What a nightmare James, I'm racking my brain just watching the video and trying to figure out what it could possibly be wrong with it.
James! For seized/corroded bolts;...heat, penetrating oil/fluid, tapping with a hammer and punch to loosen them , NOT break them....
Always remove the fan shroud and check for critter nests!
damn board.....
Like this Electric Start machine also. As a senior Battery start looks better & better. Good work on that one also.
What ever happened to PB blaster on those bolts before you snapped the HEADS OFF ?
a very unusual situation james but i am sure the next video will show the solution!
Brilliant as usual, so many thanks...
very instructive, thank you
Hey James I been watching your videos for a while and I thank you for all the information you give on the videos, I wanted to know I you ever work on a 5k morpower generator and where to get parts like brushes and voltage regulators thanks.
Have not worked on one of those. What is the model number?
@@jcondon1 Morpower 5k watt model GEN15017, serial #J169020. Thanks for your help
Hey James, every day I learn something new.
One advice, during HV testing you shouldn't hold the connector in your hand. Aside from affecting the insulation test you could get a very nasty shock
I have a Craftsman 7500 watt generator, basically a Generac 7500EXL. Picked it up for $50 with a blocked carb and a tank full of water. I converted it to propane and it works great now.
I have mine converted to tri-fuel myself. Got the venturi and not the snorkel, but it runs great! Your 7500.generator is more like 6800W now FYI. Less BTUs in propane than gasoline. Have to burn more propane to equal the power output, and the compression isnt high enough to get the full 7500w on propane.
@@Bassguitarist1985Being able to hook up a 100 pound propane tank to the generator is invaluable during those extended power outages.
I also gotta thank you, couldn’t have fixed that generator without the info you posted on the Smokstak forum!!!
@@sizzlin321 during the warmer weather yes. If the temp is near freezing, liquid propane vaporization is greatly reduced. You cannot draw enough btus for full generator load, even 50% load may not be possible. Generator needs propane vapor to run.
I'd say dirt or messy receptacles or contacts in circuit breakers for 120 volt outlets.
James, It is great that you do these vids.
Hi. You may not be correct regards the engine loading up when only the rotor was over powered with electricity. Ie no load on the stator. However there may be some funky induction happening in the power head when the rotor is saturated with electricity. I saw it happen in another video. It went totally against what I believed would happen. I think it is worth further investigation. Thanks for the videos. You have increased my understanding of small motors and generators. I appreciate your efforts. Regards
James, is there a certain website you find your wiring diagrams at? Thanks for the content
I think I would have soaked those end cover screws with pb blaster for a while before trying to force them. Might have saved a couple.
This one has me thinking. I've got this very unit only the 6500w version. Same frame (this one is missing the third wheel). Generac must have made mine also. It's branded as Briggs and Stratton and has the Vanguard 13hp. Wish mine had the spin-on filter. I believe I have a nice museum piece now. It looks and runs brand new (50hrs) mainly because it lives in my garage. I was contemplating selling it because I also have the Honda 6500SW bought to replace it. I'm wondering what it's worth now....19 years old. That third wheel makes it easy to move around. Don't believe I have ever seen another like it...until now. It's a shame this one was so abused.
I have vanguard 12 hp in my lawn mover. It break connectin rod, destroy most of internal parts doing it. When I disassembly it, I barely beliew my eyes, cutting corners everywhere, making as cheap as possible. No real bearings at all.
Hi James I see the video is only available in 360p max, just to let you know.
Yeah, I'll come back later and see if it has been fixed.
Strange. It was uploaded as 1080p. Will have to re-upload and publish again later.
Upload then set some time before publish to allow sever to finish compression.
Also, if you upload at higher than 1080p ("fake" upscaled 4k??) viewers with enough bandwidth will get better quality on 1080p displays
@@jcondon1 still only 360p and no thumbnail. 😯
4k is available now. Only took 72 hours to process. Usually it take 3-4 hours. Very odd.
Great video. I watch your videos first, then go to others.
Great video James. I appreciated the explanation of the winding wiring. I find it hard sometime to figure out what each wiring is doing and you made it much easier to understand. I am working on fixing a Champion generator model CSA40032 3000W, 14 yrs old, and I may have a question for you soon, since it is causing me a headache in figuring out the issue. I have a couple other tests to do before going further and before being stop by the problem or problems. Continu the great work James.
I am sorry to see you having so much trouble with this one.
I have often thought of building a "ping" box similar to a small well lit sandblasting cabinet and containing a vise. Open clear lid, insert part to be disassembled, close lid, insert hands through access holes, apply percussive persuasion and when the part goes "ping", it is contained in the box rather than hiding in an obscure location on the shop floor.
...or just put a rag over it....
Like watching your content very much and I love to watch and learn thank you for sharing
Hi James, i like watching your repair videos, i fix small engines and your flat blade screwdrivers in this video caught my eye, i did not see them in your Amazon tool list and i was wondering what brand they were and whers you bought them, if you could lead ms to where i could get a set for fixing my smal, engine carburetors i would appreciate it. Thanks for all the hard work you put into these videos, i am disabled and i tinker with small engines and the like for some extra income and your videos help me when i get stumped. Your videos are very appreciated by me!