New Storm Responder Generator Stopped Making Power
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2022
- Found this generator on Facebook Marketplace. It was advertised as a brand new generator with zero hours hours on the engine. According to the seller "The engine runs but the generator does not produce any power". It looks to be in great condition. How bad can it be? Lets find out what's wrong and hopefully fix it.
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I've learned more from you than any other "mechanically inclined" individual. Thank you for your public service.
so true
Great video James. The dishonesty of the seller about this generator makes me sad about human nature. Kind Regards, Craig
Nothing surprises me anymore
They will disconnect hour meter on mowers and generators all the time
@@philliphall5198 MANY are defective FROM their source
Any time I take anything apart I take a boat load of pictures with and without flash.
Where do you find the torque specifications?
They lie all the time in small engine busses
Just expect it
That powerhead failed catastrophically all because of one missing ziptie on the powerhead, very nice work bringing it back to life James!
Cool…… a cup of coffee and a new JC video what a cool way to start my day. Thanks James!
Reminds of of the old phrase "For the want of a nail the shoe was lost........." Very easy for a trivial component loss or missing to cascade into complete failure. Glad that you were able to make this a useful generator again.
Dave.
I wasn't worried about your ability to literally "repower" this one, Jim. I was expecting spare parts, but reasonably priced new ones are even better. Might have liked to see you load it close to 6500 just to see if that new power head would put it out. Top quality as always and keep em coming!
Lovely job James. The Chinese do not seem to use any sort of standards for color coding cables in manufacture We have ours in Europe and you have yours in North America. They are not the same but widely known. No one knows what the Chinese are doing. Only long experience enables you to know which powerheads, and sometimes other parts, are transferable into defunct machines and which ones will make commercial sense. Investing 300 or 400 dollars into buying new parts shows me that you have a certain confidence in what you do. I am much more reticent.
Hey James! I recently discovered your channel and you have got to be the best teacher of any small engine channel I watch. Keep the awesome videos coming!
Worked at what WAS a B&S facility in McDonough Ga, we would get trailers full from the port in Savannah Ga. DIRECTLY from CHI NA , the loads many times had at least TEN or more DIFFERENT name brands and they ALL were produced in ONE factory
We have seen what one missing zip tie can cause. Brought back from the dead for sure. Thanks for posting.
We have used the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
One of my favorite shows on YT. Learned quite a bit about generators. Also enjoy when you fix other stuff. Really enjoyed the two Kart episodes and your kids sure had fun with it.
Awesome job James!! I don't believe anything anyone says when they advertise something for sale. Thanks!
Another perfect resuscitation! Maybe feedback to the manufacturer would not hurt, send them the video! Probably others had a similar experience.
seems like you haven't made any videos for a while ,good to see you back at it!
Thanks for your videos, because of your teaching I was able to fix a very new IPower 12000 that gave out on our family unexpectedly because of quality control 🤗 a crappy brush set
What a magician with Gensets... well done Jim
Ho Lee Chit I thought this was going to be really good for you at first. Then you got it anyway. Was interesting to see how you saved it. I do remember your fixing other clones with the Ryobi . So I was thrilled to see you at work , congratulations!!
Hi, James. I had my doubts when you said you gave the seller a running generator and some cash. Your knowledge and experience did the job though. One good factor is, it looks great. I am sure you will not lose money on the deal. Somebody will have a generator that should keep on working for years. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
You should be the voice on tv and radio shows. Your sound so positive. Love your desire to repair generators. Love watching you work. Learned a lot from you. Thanks
Was on the radio last year with Ray Bohacz farmmachinerydigest.com/diagnosing-why-a-portable-generator-will-not-produce-electricity-aired-8-20-22/
Excellent video. I learned a lot about the required resistance measurements, and enjoyed watching you troubleshoot every aspect of the generator.
Great Video, I have that same generator, great things to keep in mind. Not happy to find out it's not a true B&S engine.
Also check yours for the zip tie. I do not think they forgot. I worked on another recently and there was no zip tie on that one either holding the AVR wires out of harms way.
Glad you had a way to bring that unit back into useable service. Great job
James, have you ever thought about a screw in adaptor to end of rotor, that you can attach a Plumbers Hand Operated Test Pump, to build up more pressure to release taper? Just a thought. Could someone near him make a 12mm x 1.75 pitch to NPT adaptor. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
It's funny you say that its as bad as you have seen, because, when you took the cap off my first thought was yikes, i don't think i have seen one this bad as long as i have been watching.
You make it all look so easy. Your warning to others not to try this if they are not sure is really helpful too. Thanks that was very enjoyable and rewarding to watch :)
Another fix ( the generator and me!!), nicely done, I think when I get a genny I will go over it bearing in mind this video, to make sure it doesn't go the same way. Thanks again....
Learned a lot. Outstanding instructions. Now I just learned that the same generator you are showing is probably the one I’m expecting from Lowe’s. Didn’t have a clue this is now made in China. Ordered it and should be arriving here in Moore County, NC on Dec 8, 2022. Wish I would have known. But in seems most is coming from China. Sad..
Run it, run it well and long..
change the intial oil after 30 minutes,
the replacement oil after 1 hour,
and the re-replacement oil at 2 hours.....
This means you have got rid of all the sharp OEM machining edges...and drained that trash out.....
Then go to the manufacturer recommended intervals.....
It's always nice to watch someone who knows what they're doing. And your ability to convey what you are doing is among the best.
His soothing demeanor and expertise remind me of Mr. Carlson's Lab. 😉
I’ve never owned or worked on any generators but after watching several of your videos I feel confident I could repair or spot any issues that may be bad. Ty for the well done instructional videos
I wanna try to make a generator at home like lot of people do
Great video James.
It's a great feeling to see you bringing it back to life, yet another win.
Well done James.
James,
It's been a while since I have seen any of your posts and as always your work and repair are above board and informative for those of us that DYI as much as we can.
Michael
I have this exact model of generator. While I am disappointed to learn that the engine and power head are chinese clones, I will keep this video as a reference and also check mine to see if the zip tie is present. I always learn something from your videos. Great job!
Hey Marty, please let us know if your zip tie was installed. Thanks
@@citichap Will do.
I had exactly the same scenario purchasing a Predator 8750 that was only a year old, but I got lucky! Seller wanted 200, offered 100 and he took it. It was a quality control issue as well where the brushes were not aligned with the slip rings. I placed a small washer between the brushes and where they seat against the frame and that brought them back into perfect alignment. That was 4 years ago and it has been flawless ever since! I really appreciate your channel, I have learned a lot! Thank you!!
Really should be more than 1 year factory warranty on things like that.
I have the Elite Series model 7000 which supposedly has 8750 watts. I've only used it for about an hour in the last seven years, I purchased it as a just in case for my mother's oxygen generator, she passed away in 2016. It's a loud generator but seems to be pretty reliable, it starts right up...I keep it clean and maintained.
Fascinating James I enjoyed watching the process you do thanks.
A bit of a roller coaster but I knew you could do it James. Thanks. Ed
Thanks, I enjoyed your explanation of the circuits, using the VOM and explaining the expected electrical readings. Liked your Demonstrating the difference of legs and neutrals. Very thorough. Liked your tips while going through the electrical circuit.
James, if i didn't know any better i'd think you've done this before. 😁
Very nice job sir, very professionally done.
Refreshing to see someone make the repair and then test it and make the needed adjustments to make it right.
You don't know the number of machines i've dealt with coming straight from the factory that were just thrown together and didn't appear to have gone through a quality check before it left the factory, or they had the quality check sticker/tag on them but were still not setup correctly.
We need more people like you to help make things better 👍
Have a wonderful day and Merry Christmas!
I am learning quite a bit by your videos. Thanks for all you do.
Another one saved from landfill. Nicely done.
I have the older Briggs Storm Responder 5500/8250 watt generator. It has been very reliable and easy starting. I'm surprised Briggs went the way they did with their newer generators today. After seeing how and where they are made today, there is no way I would buy a new one. I also see they went from a poly gas tank to metal. I prefer the poly tank because they don't rust. Sad☹
I don't understand why steel tanks are even used today although they have been a large part of my income as is rich people too lazy to take care of their equipment. Must be nice to throw away a $3k machine after three years because a wire got pulled from the PTO. Cost me $25 to service it and re-pin the connector. Posted it for $1500 and sold it for $1300 the next day.
I ordered a used plastic tank to replace steel tank on mine
Will make it fit
Nicely done, and I learned a couple of things this morning.
These generator power head parts interchange so frequently one might imagine they all come from the same factory :)
James to the rescue again, well done James. Always informative and useful tips along the way. Great work keep them coming....
James are you really a brain surgeon doing this as a hobby? One of the previous videos I couldn’t beleave you fixed it ! Your a genius!,,keep them coming! Thanks
Nicely done. Also glad to see Briggs finally put a low oil shutoff on those things. Maybe in 20 years we don’t see quite so many blown up engines. Also, whoever picked red for the neutral leg should be… I don’t know. Electrocuted?
When it was being shut down each time, it sounded like something might have been rubbing. Kind of a buzzing like the rotor is touching a wire.
Check the effing oil everytime.
Hy James. I recently discovered your You Tube videos. Thanks for all the info on repairing generators.
6204 is a standard metric bearing size with 47 mm outer, 20mm inner ring diameter and with 14 mm depth.
Great job on the project, when the video started I was wondering why it wasn't warrantied then later on in the video when you said that someone had been in the unit before I started wondering if it was a case of merchant refunding the money for the unit (or replacing the unit) and left it up to customer disposal of the old unit (Amazon does this sometimes) and the owner was trying to make an extra buck off the bad unit. Keep up the great work.
I've had two humidifiers go bad under warranty and the manufacturer had me take a pic after I clipped the power cord end off and then I had to dispose of unit.
I imagine same issue with a generator or any other heavy object with "hazardous" materials
Takes 10 mins plumb in a new power cord lol if that's all they make you do sounds like free stuff
Great job as always Jim!
Very good fix and fine tuning by you.
I've adjusted those AVR's with the engine running without running into trouble.
I’m scared of electric so I don’t take a chance Lololo
Nicely done in this repair. My situation was the same with a supposedly good generator and caught on fire when I got the engine going. Unfortunately my unit is 20 years old and shall have to rewind my stator. I don't want to abandon this 15kw Hatz diesel generator. Thanks again for a informative video.
Thanks! Your videos are the best I’ve seen. When you end each video with “I hope this helps someone”, I assure you they do! I always
look forward to the next one to post…
Thanks Bill. I really appreciate it!
Hi Mr. James!!! Great video!!! Nice job... thanks!!!😁👍👍👍👍👍
Some excellent advice about 45 minutes in, as always great job and video
Hi James nicely done mate I always keep learning from you Still not using your new bench lift thanks for sharing
Even Briggs doesn't use their own engines in their products these days.
This is why I built my own power generator.
I bought a 6.5Hp Briggs engine, 2 - 100 amp 12v one wire alternators, 2- 100AH 12V deep cycle batteries and boxes, and a 2000watt Pure sine inverter.
Mounted all on to a movers dolly, with breakers, fuse and disconnects.... $650 total. Later If needed, every single piece is replaceable locally today. I just wanted a "semi" movable, clean and dependable alternate power system. And I really couldn't afford one any other way...This turned out far better then i expected...
It is great to see things being saved, rather than just throwing it away.
But the hours you put in to these, it can't be cost effective as a business!
I would be better off with a paying customer. Even then, hard to make a living at this.
Great video James neither one brought back to life. Keep them coming. Also, thank you for the advice you gave me about my predator. I haven’t had a chance to do that yet on cleaning the slip rings I did look in there they do look kind of dirty just have not had a lot of time yet to do it
Really good video you explained everything that you were doing the video showed all the wiring done and checking everything again thumbs up 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The mix n match is great information. Great job.
Great video. Very complete descriptions and very clear videos!
Thanks James. I am working on one now, and will go this route if I can't get it to power up.
James: I am impressed by the fact that you show your viewers that anyone dealing with things can get stung if they don't makes tests on the unit, which may not be possible for one or more reasons. I never miss one of your videos, because I learn something each video. You drive me to drink by saying " we need to "ohm out" this circuit, or the term "ohmage" . I am laughing James, not at you , but at the terms. Many mechanics that have sites on here do the same thing. They are brilliant mechanics & are doubtless using terms they learned at school. It matters not how they say it, as long as their viewers see what they are doing & what the readings mean. Your explanations during your videos are always correct and well stated. Any of your viewers can adopt your techniques & will be the better at diagnosis & repair. Thank you Sir, you have one of the premier sites on the "net ". Cheers! Brian
Yes!
Hi James, there is one of these for sale cheap today on a local website here in Canberra, Australia and guess what……it’s only got 7 hours on it and it stopped. Seller says needs service but because of your video I think it needs more than a service😂. I certainly won’t be touching it.
I really enjoy your channel as you have a calm voice and you work through problems in a logical and thoughtful manner. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
Awesome job James!! You know, the lying "has no hours" is exactly why I am sceptical about buying things that don't run or work, and why I don't give people their asking price. It's my money that is buying it, and my time and money to invest into making it work. Instead of stating no hours, just be truthful as much as you can about what happened. Like "it was running, then it made some noises, and then it quit making power". Simple, eliminates the "Yeah Right!!" feeling, and depending on the condition I might give you your asking price.
I have the same generator, I added a natural gas kit to it. Works great!
Great video Mr. Condon.
If you reverse the governor spring on the governor rod, it will work the same but will keep the spring from coming off.
Just as good as new well done great job keep it up.
Wow! Bet that thing let out some smoke before it lost power. First seller probably was aware of total death. People are
not honest at all.
Great job. Amazing how one little missing zip tie can destroy a power head.
I own one of these, thank you hurricane Matthew, and love it. Thanks for the video as I need to bump my voltage up as under about 50% load I was only getting 114v out and my led light in the house would flicker. The frequency was fine just the voltage was a little low. I have seen the same lights flicker (very annoying) when the utility is have a little sag in voltage.
Outstanding video very informative, specially about reconnecting the electrical part of it 👏
Awesome job James! Good restraint not buying this generator at the original sell point. 20hrs is nothing, and thats a great deal on a Ryobi power head, it looks better built with resin and the string ties.
Double check the brush head alignment to make sure the brush heads are directly over the slip rings. With a non OEM part number if one of the brush heads is ever so slightly off the slip ring it could cause issues later. Other than that amazing job restoring this machine back to working order!
Note however he used the brush that shipped with the rotor, so technically he used "OEM parts". (Ergo, the brush that was right for that stator and rotor). So no alignment should be neccessary. Note however that the incompatible parts here is the AVR, which was "stolen" from the broken power head, and the motor whose governor isn't compatible with this power head. Thats why the AVR had to be adjusted so it fits in-between the motor and power head. Basically, motor RPM directly affects line frequency, so first you adjust the motor RPM until line fequency is good. BUT motor RPM will also affect voltage, and different power heads produces different "base voltages" to so say, why the AVR had to be adjusted to be compatible with the "new" power head that isn't for that motor.
Basically, everything except the motor, the AVR, the panel, frame, and fuel tank, was replaced.
The rotor, stator, brushes, and terminal block was replaced.
@@sebastiannielsen The misalignment in the brushes would come from the end frame (original equipment) and the rotor (non oem). Adjusting the AVR is required due to a different size power head. The speed of the engine only affects the cycles (hz) in this setup. In a brushless then it's another story.
@@worthcounty4317 exactly! Many times it's not just the end bell frame that can cause misalignment it can also be affected by poor manufacturing quality where the slippering assembly is pressed too far inward or not pressed far enough causing an alignment issue. James ran into this I believe earlier this year on another generator. Either way James is a smart guy he will definitely check on these things and may not show it on camera because it is difficult to film every little detail. Cheers!
This would be a good example of putting some hours on the new generator before you really need it and before the warranty expires. Plus it wouldn't hurt to pull the cover on the power head (if you're comfortable doing so)and check if wiring looks to be in place and secured. Which I need to do myself.
My HF Predator genie has a required once every 90 day test to maintain the warranty. Periodically testing something you need in an emergency is always a good idea. Had mine since 2016 but seeing this video I'll pull the end cap off mine to verify.
@tomschmidt381 If you have had it for a while and use it frequently, I would say that you are in good shape. However, the newly purchased generators it wouldn't be a bad idea to do. Have 3 older generators with zero issues other than the need for regular maintenance, but purchased 2 new generators this year one of which(Wgen6000) was only run for 10 minutes just to verify it ran, but haven't put a load on it. And the other (Igen4500) I ran for 20-30 and with a light load to verify it worked properly. Between the both of them, I spent $1200 on sale and still a lot of money to throw away if something like this were to happen.
That was one crispy stator James.
Nicely done!! I enjoyed watching the entire thing. Good to know as my generator is somewhat similar.
The gray wire!, has some heat shrink trapped between the connector !
Great job on all the vids 👍
Thanks for helping keep me sane 😃
Breaks and Scrap-Em.......... According to someone else. Fine work as always.....glad that said generator can go back into service. Since I work with electronics, I KNOW about the horrid cascade of failure down the chain when one of the components fails.... That's my fear when trying to bring stuff like this back to life.
Great job, basically a brand new machine!
I loved that comment "I can fix that!" as it falls to ash in your hand.
Good win and video James. Hope you easily recover your investment. Always learn something from your work.
Wow, for a moment I thought it was a lost cause! Good job !
As usual, great video!
Thanks a lot for your videos, i probably looked all your videos in the last month.
That helped me a lot to fix an old honda em5000sx with a bad avr, dirty carburetor.
I did the oil change, new spark plug, new air filter.
I still need to replace the analogic voltmeter on the front, but it is too cold outside, i will do it next summer.
Now it will power my house in case of power outages. It happend many times here in Québec(Ca) you are à great teacher !
i like how the subtitles after you were done adjusting that pot said [applause] :)
Great fix James, hope you make out on a sale😊
You were right about the price tag on those, I own one.
Thanks to you if I should ever have a problem like that I have a good reference on how to get a handle on it.
Again, many thanks!
Yes, with the electrical side an expert -such as you! - is essential!
Nice work Jim, low quality work resulted in a big loss for the owner. This unit was definitely worth saving. Happy holidays my friend.
Great video. You only loaded it to about 50%. When do you determine that engine speed at low load and above 120vac needs to be increased more possibly by Governor spring setting that carb speed adjustment?
Excellent job James
Very nicely done! Happy Holidays!
James... this is a first. A video without a carb tuneup. Nice work as always.
It is a rare
I love your vids. I’ve learned so much from watching you. Random question though, why aren’t you using your life table on these repairs? Just curious as I was thinking about finding one myself.
Most likely this video was started before James got the table.
Another new lesson in life. Thanks for an awesome video.
When you come across a unit like that maybe before any deal is made you should use the sniff test. LOL
James, you need to use grease gun to pop the stator make a bolt with a grease fitting. Or fill the stator with up with grease and use the bolt
It’s very very messy but it works
I really like your videos I've learned so much thanks for the lessons. I have a 8000 champion that stopped running at 25 hrs. Over voltage