FTX’s 118% Refund Plan to Start Next Week

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  • Опубліковано 26 жов 2024

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  • @ThePlainBagel
    @ThePlainBagel  День тому +87

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    • @jimc9516
      @jimc9516 День тому +3

      will those brokers actually remove your information? who would stop them from lying about it? or just ignoring any request to remove it?

    • @tinska12
      @tinska12 День тому

      Hello Bagel, love your explanatory videos on vast selection of financial topics. Would be also super interesting to see what portfolio managers do at their day jobs. Like with proper details and subjects or papers that you need to go through, without disclosing too much alpha. Been building my own individual portfolio now for awhile and would be nice to see how pros do it

    • @tyrand
      @tyrand 20 годин тому

      top line and pinned comment ad bag 🤑

    • @georgelionon9050
      @georgelionon9050 19 годин тому +1

      It's not Incognis fault, but this should be a fundamental right instead yet another thing one needs to actively pay for..

  • @colinharter4094
    @colinharter4094 22 години тому +308

    As soon as I learned that 2% of customers accounted for 90% of total deposits, this refund proposal stopped sounding so impossible

    • @MinusMedley
      @MinusMedley 17 годин тому +2

      "Take that as a win." - Sad world.

    • @fenneyah
      @fenneyah 10 годин тому +3

      Yeah, the idea went from "Bullshit, this is clearly just a lie for good press" to "Huh, neat, they found a way to help the little guy win. The most benefit to the greatest number for the least input, maybe that Effective Altruism thing wasn't just window dressing.

    • @drewmqn
      @drewmqn 10 годин тому +14

      ​@@fenneyah I think the 2% 90% figures clearly show the little guys aren't so little, and are powerful enough to effectively advocate for refunds.
      Moral of the story, only invest/gamble speculatively when millionaires are well represented among the investors.

    • @Serizon_
      @Serizon_ 10 годин тому +1

      Yo I hadn't even watched the whole video , but just 1 minute in , I was thinking there must be a catch and was also thinking along your lines and then I scrolled and I found out my theory is correct awesome!

    • @Serizon_
      @Serizon_ 10 годин тому

      @@drewmqn I am not understanding what you said?

  • @KietNguyen-up9vx
    @KietNguyen-up9vx 19 годин тому +37

    The fact that shock me the most is that it been 2 years already

  • @MisterFro9
    @MisterFro9 21 годину тому +75

    You're not late Richard, for those of us who don't follow finance news closely, this is entirely new for us! Thanks for your great content, keep it up :)

  • @TheCheck999
    @TheCheck999 День тому +575

    I love Richard's thumbnails. Other youtubers look shocked, amazed and angry, while Richard looks distinctly unimpressed. He is not angry, just disappointed.

    • @robymaru03
      @robymaru03 День тому +26

      And that's the right approach to everything that's been going on lately.

    • @erloriel
      @erloriel День тому +24

      He is a light of sanity in an era of obscene click-bait.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 День тому +12

      "I went to a fancy college for THIS?"

    • @carpelunam
      @carpelunam День тому +4

      just like my asian father

    • @cockbeyondmeasureoutlander8020
      @cockbeyondmeasureoutlander8020 День тому

      check out Patrick Boyle

  • @mipmipmipmipmip-v5x
    @mipmipmipmipmip-v5x 22 години тому +54

    11:05 is the main point:
    IRS settled 24b tax claim for 200m.
    FTX pays out 16.5b to customers.
    If you and I could get our taxes effectively nulled this easily, we as private persons would all be rich.

    • @xman7695
      @xman7695 16 годин тому

      Yeah, though it would involve our Organs and everything worth something on our body being sold off to the highest bidder to settle our outstanding debts.

    • @somethinglikethat2176
      @somethinglikethat2176 16 годин тому +6

      Damn, not even 1 cent on the dollar. Those political donations aren't looking so silly now.

    • @mipmipmipmipmip-v5x
      @mipmipmipmipmip-v5x 12 годин тому +7

      ​​@@somethinglikethat2176 SBF having the audacity to now claim FTX did well, when the only reason FTX can pay out is scrapping tax debt. FtX ended realistically in bankruptcy with 10s of billion in debt.

    • @SnehalGhosh
      @SnehalGhosh 7 годин тому

      Lol, FTX managed $10-16 billion of customer assets, and they supposedly have a $24 billion of dues to IRS. We all know IRS pulled that initial figure out of their ass, just to make headlines and look good. If such a small company has $24 billion of dues to IRS, it would have been in the headlines even before bankruptcy

    • @groovy_z
      @groovy_z 6 годин тому +2

      It means that all us tax payers are paying for ftx customers

  • @jfraklin
    @jfraklin 21 годину тому +20

    Bitcoin is up nearly 4x since the collapse of FTX, getting back 118% of your cash value as of the firm’s collapse is better than nothing, but it’s an absolute slap in the face of anyone who invested in good faith.

  • @fisicalimite
    @fisicalimite День тому +64

    Saying customers will be made whole when they will receive 118% of the lowest value of their investments is misleading. Most of them will get pennies on the dollar with respect to their purchasing price.

    • @icecoldpolitics8890
      @icecoldpolitics8890 22 години тому +43

      Misleading? No. It’s a factual statement it’s just more complicated which is why he is making this video and not a tweet.

    • @mrboy5283
      @mrboy5283 21 годину тому

      @@icecoldpolitics8890facts mis/lead

    • @awesomeSquirel
      @awesomeSquirel 17 годин тому +7

      or it's just a reminder to not gamble with crypto money

    • @lonyo5377
      @lonyo5377 14 годин тому +7

      118% of the value of their investments at the time of bankruptcy.
      The problem was these customers invested in a bad platform. Their loss of potential gains if they'd held their "investment" themselves is a lesson.

  • @rebeltheharem7028
    @rebeltheharem7028 День тому +26

    Yeah, regardless if FTX was insolvent or not, he still SBF still committed a shit ton of fraud.

    • @jfraklin
      @jfraklin 21 годину тому +2

      It was 100% insolvent. They’re not making people who in terms of their original investment, if you had 1 bitcoin with them in Nov 2022 it was worth $22k then, you might get $25k back but if you had that 1 bitcoin it would be worth $66k. This is better than nothing but the company was a sham and not remotely solvent and was doomed to fail.

    • @somethinglikethat2176
      @somethinglikethat2176 3 години тому

      Plus he left the US taxpayer almost $24 billion short. Edit: in avoided tax liabilities.

  • @iTzDritte
    @iTzDritte День тому +196

    Shoutout to the post-collapse speculators who bought customer claims for pennies on the dollar 😂

    • @jimmcneal5292
      @jimmcneal5292 День тому +6

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @theicedragon100
      @theicedragon100 День тому +5

      always be carfull when you sell

    • @foobar9220
      @foobar9220 День тому +14

      Glad the government settled for almost nothing to make hedge funds "whole".

    • @SethMethCS
      @SethMethCS 22 години тому +1

      You could buy individual investor / depositor claims in the bankruptcy of FTX? So buy out a claim from a retail investor, and then own that bankruptcy claim for a future favorable recovery?

    • @iTzDritte
      @iTzDritte 17 годин тому +2

      @@SethMethCS Yes. There was an episode of NPR’s Planet Money podcast where I learned about it titled: FTX and the Serengeti of bankruptcy

  • @BI-sd3sw
    @BI-sd3sw День тому +110

    Don’t get fooled. If you put 100 into FTX, you get 118. Had you had you bitcoin for example, you’d have 200-400 now. The unforeseen rise in crypto is the reason you get your money back, not that FTX “was just fine”

    • @oo--7714
      @oo--7714 День тому +22

      Many of those cryptocurrencys dropped in value though. A lot of people got lucky. A LOT.

    • @rantlyy
      @rantlyy День тому

      @@oo--7714most haven’t though, unless it’s some shit coin, nearly all decent crypto projects are up significantly

    • @desiv1170
      @desiv1170 День тому

      Yeah, this is all because Bitcoin is doing what it's doing now. Had FTX not ripped people off, these people would have made a lot more.
      That said, I am still surprised they are getting ANYTHING... ;-)
      I'm not a crypto person, but I did buy $200 worth of Bitcoin thru Blockfi before this happened. Figured I would lose it when things blew up. Ended up getting to keep my bitcoin, and it's now worth like $600.
      No, I have not and will not be buying any more Bitcoin. Even tho it went up. Even tho these people got some things back.
      Tho, I still don't see a reason for celebrities to pay back money.
      If you signed up for FTX because Shaq (no offense to Shaq) was in a commercial for it, that's on you. ;-)

    • @jal051
      @jal051 День тому +12

      No. You don't get 118. You get 118% of about the 25% they assigned to be returned at the price when they were sold (BTC was worth 17k at the time). So at the end FTX customers are going to get back around 20% of their money. Then you have to take out from this amount another 20% they are discounting for taxes and fees. In short. You get shit.

    • @Robert-un3cf
      @Robert-un3cf День тому

      ​@@oo--7714but if you had something like Solana in FTX you still got pretty screwed though. It's up several hundred % since the collapse

  • @jpanda79
    @jpanda79 День тому +97

    I'm glad that the government prioritized returning money to those affected vs trying to maximize fines. Also amazing how a ceo can become known for winding down corporate frauds. Man has a nuts resume with enron and FTX

    • @nothingisawesome
      @nothingisawesome День тому +18

      agreed. its kinda ironic that the anti-regulatory crypto crowd walk away in tact from this

    • @KathyClysm
      @KathyClysm День тому +13

      "What if a passionate and diligant accountant became a superhero" personified. His superpower is looking at a mess most people be overwhlemed by with eyes glazing over in boredom, and slowly but carefully unraveling the tangled christmas lights that is a defunct mega corp to save as many ordinary people harmed by that corp as possible lol

    • @nullptr-nr2sk
      @nullptr-nr2sk День тому +3

      ​@@nothingisawesome not that they deserve it

    • @andrewmcalister3462
      @andrewmcalister3462 22 години тому +1

      He’s like the Superfund of the financial world.

    • @ExtremelyDumb
      @ExtremelyDumb 22 години тому

      Glazing aside, he used to work for the law firm that advised FTX. Imagine if the law firm that advised Bernie madoff was the one that was knighted by a judge to clean up the mess they helped made
      And imagine they charged a billion dollars of stolen funds to clean up the mess

  • @juraspl93
    @juraspl93 День тому +119

    FTX without accountant = bankruptcy
    FTX with accountant = profit

    • @enemyofYTemployees
      @enemyofYTemployees День тому +23

      Btc only quadrupled during the time and the customer only got 118% of their balance at the absolute market bottom.

    • @juraspl93
      @juraspl93 День тому +4

      It's irony

    • @the0ne809
      @the0ne809 День тому

      Crypto bros: f*** the government. We want unregulated market!
      Crypto bros when losing their money: Can you help us, please? I lost my life savings!

    • @calebbarnhouse496
      @calebbarnhouse496 День тому +7

      ​@@enemyofYTemployeesalmost like people whose entire life revolves around money can use those skills to steal more money from people

    • @carlost856
      @carlost856 День тому

      ​@@calebbarnhouse496the only person who stole anything was Bankman-Fried and his crew.

  • @wendynoble6545
    @wendynoble6545 15 годин тому +1

    Thanks for the understandable update on this case!

  • @wastedpotentiel
    @wastedpotentiel День тому +185

    The irony of anti government crypto currency exchange being saved by the government is hilarious.

    • @the0ne809
      @the0ne809 День тому +45

      but but but unregulated market is always better. Who needs the government! wait? there is a hurricane coming?? FEMAAAA FIX MY HOUSE!

    • @Gojkira
      @Gojkira День тому +15

      Since when was FTX anti-government? FTX was a centralised exchange and was big on lobbying. This was a classic traditional finance crime, not a blockchain one. The true anti-government/anti-traditional finance would be a decentralised exchange like Uniswap or Jupiter which doesn't involve a mediator and people keep custody of their own assets.

    • @Gojkira
      @Gojkira День тому

      @@the0ne809 Centralised exchanges are already regulated. This problem would never have happened with an unregulated decentralised exchange where people had control over their own assets.

    • @MithunOnTheNet
      @MithunOnTheNet День тому

      That's how it with crypto bros. Morons will scream "freedom" and "F**K big government!" while times are good. But the minute they get scammed, who do they turn to for help? The FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation.

    • @RandomVenezuelan
      @RandomVenezuelan День тому

      Whenever I read comments this ignorant and with so many likes on a finance channel sometimes I feel good because I know I'm trading against total idiots

  • @anush_agrawal
    @anush_agrawal День тому +52

    So you are telling me if only sbf and cz didnt have a fallout, sbf could have covered it up. He would have been branded business genius.

    • @matthewpicchu8232
      @matthewpicchu8232 День тому +20

      FTX was probably screwed anyways. Their (fake but still very bad-looking) balance sheet had been leaked and client confidence was collapsing. Zhao absolutely helped it along, but more likely than not I think they were going bankrupt regardless.

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 День тому +6

      No there would have been something else that precipitated the collapse. Probably far worse if like the timing were not good for "line to go up".

    • @nothingissimplewithlloyd
      @nothingissimplewithlloyd День тому +6

      Well, he would have just made it into an even bigger catastrophe. Let’s be clear.

    • @johnlynch1353
      @johnlynch1353 День тому +5

      Ftx was already in a death spiral before cz got involved and dug in the knife. Cz only accelerated their collapse he did not cause it.

    • @carlost856
      @carlost856 День тому +4

      Absolutely not. The only way the customers can have a 118% repayment is because coins bubbled up in the meantime, they're still loosing a lot more than if tgey could have kept their coins.

  • @lewiswhitling1351
    @lewiswhitling1351 День тому +18

    "he won't be a freed man any time soon"... oh you scoundrel

  • @RolopIsHere
    @RolopIsHere День тому +5

    At the end they seem only needed a good accountant so he could have gotten away with it.

  • @rpm773
    @rpm773 День тому +17

    Hey, 18% return on the principal is a good return. Shoulda gotten in.....
    /s

    • @boldCactuslad
      @boldCactuslad День тому +4

      Jokes aside, this underperformed the market during the same time period. Probably. It's not like I checked. I'm just a youtube comment.
      If someone told me they got 18% in 2024, I'd ask him how his broker managed to fumble the 24% down to that.

  • @kendler09
    @kendler09 8 годин тому

    Can you do a video on the US government dept crisis?

  • @behrensf84
    @behrensf84 День тому +12

    So if the IRS isn't getting the 24 billion they were owed, that means we Dumb Tax Payers all paid the depositors who didn't do their due diligence and think it was a good idea to make an investment recommended by celebrities...

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 День тому

      More likely the did the maths and found that they will capture far more capital gains over time if the lemmings got their shillings back, instead fighting for whatever they could get in the courts.

  • @tysoncodes
    @tysoncodes День тому +7

    But if you were a blockfi customer that got borked by FTX you will still be out of luck.

    • @ExtremelyDumb
      @ExtremelyDumb 22 години тому

      Nah a lot of blockfi customers got paid out already

    • @haasii
      @haasii 22 години тому

      that sucks

  • @Bryghtpath
    @Bryghtpath 8 годин тому +1

    Even the plot twists have plot twists.

  • @iTzDritte
    @iTzDritte День тому +35

    9:48 Imagine having a $2.4 million prepayment queued up to Kevin O’Leary of all people 😂 The 2022 Crypto Boom was a hell of a time 😂

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 День тому +3

    So…task failed successfully?

  • @Keksde
    @Keksde 13 годин тому

    Luckily i only held cash on FTX and withdrew my crypto one month prior to the crash (lucky me).
    Ive held several thousand Swiss francs on there and the conversion rate is absolutely amazing, a staggering 16% higher than the current one.
    + im getting an additional 18% interest on top of that so I'm walking away with a good chunk of profit

  • @drankrur
    @drankrur 4 години тому

    "No your grace. That money was only resting in my account.."

  • @brendanquinn6894
    @brendanquinn6894 23 години тому

    This is incredible news.

  • @JeredMastersAustralia
    @JeredMastersAustralia 14 годин тому

    "no one has objected" - what about Sunil and Seth?

  • @joeroberts5428
    @joeroberts5428 День тому +1

    I read that if you bought enron debt after bankruptcy Ray would have found you a small profit.

  • @janakakumara3836
    @janakakumara3836 21 годину тому

    So SBF was right?

  • @iVETAnsolini
    @iVETAnsolini 22 години тому +1

    118%%??? I lost on voyager and got like 30% back. wtf

  • @ScottHess
    @ScottHess День тому +5

    Wait. What bad decisions did I make as a taxpayer to warrant giving money to those customers?

  • @justgeneric2876
    @justgeneric2876 День тому

    o possibilitiy is they always had the money. they got it shifted to dollar tokens, bought to the lows, recently liquidated all their btc for big profits which will let them pay back whats owed

  • @MusiciansRule07
    @MusiciansRule07 День тому +32

    Bro, it's WILD that it's been 2 years already! I remember watching Coffeezilla's coverage from the beginning to the end and I was in Psychosis for the majority of it. I'm doing okay now and I am SO GLAD that people are gonna get some, if not all of their money back, depending on the situation. As long as SBF and everyone who was involved with the disaster stay behind bars and social pariahs, I'm very happy with this development. It's nice to have a happy ending to a cryptoscam disaster because God knows that it is RARE. GTA VI AND VII will drop before the CryptoZoo victims are made whole!

  • @jandnoc
    @jandnoc День тому +3

    I know they won't 🤦🏾‍♀️but I hope all the people who put their life savings into FTX has learned their lesson...

  • @832elf
    @832elf 14 годин тому

    That’s not accurate. They’re only paying cash which is inferior to returning the actual token because the tokens value have risen significantly i.e. BTC was 15 K when FTX went bankrupt today it is between 66 and 69K. We would much rather have the token than cash, because when FTX went bankrupt, it was crypto winter. Therefore this payback of 118% is nothing it’s far less than what we were owed.

    • @meneldal
      @meneldal 13 годин тому

      It went bankrupt because of crypto winter in the first place

  • @HarvestStore
    @HarvestStore 16 годин тому

    Great video.

  • @Jordan_Warrington
    @Jordan_Warrington День тому +6

    The thing is, this isn't a make whole situation. This is a make hole as of the lowest value. If the value of the account was set at the current rate, they would have lost money. So he should have no foat to stand on, with regards to a reduced sentence.

    • @assain22ify
      @assain22ify 2 години тому

      If the value of the account was set to the current rate, customers wouldn't be so unhappy. Unfortunately, given what is happening, customers have every right to be unhappy.

  • @victormalet7066
    @victormalet7066 День тому

    Forced selling are the best buying opportunities

  • @FresyGiadans
    @FresyGiadans 36 хвилин тому +13

    Hallelujah!!!! The daily jesus devotional has been a huge part of my transformation, God is good 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻was owning a loan of $47,000 to the bank for my son's brain surgery (David), Now I'm no longer in debt after I invested $12,000 and got my payout of m $270,500 every months,God bless Ms Evelyn Vera🇺🇸..

    • @HenrayCarraman
      @HenrayCarraman 36 хвилин тому

      Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!

    • @DollieDaubney
      @DollieDaubney 34 хвилини тому

      Same here
      waking up every 14th of each
      month to 210,000 dollars it’s a blessing to I and my family… I can now retire knowing that I have a steady income❤️Big gratitude to Ms Evelyn Vera

    • @Vanzee-fb2xb
      @Vanzee-fb2xb 34 хвилини тому

      Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Ms. Evelyn Vera.

    • @JhosueRey
      @JhosueRey 33 хвилини тому

      I do know Ms. Evelyn Vera, I also have even become successful....

    • @JhosueRey
      @JhosueRey 33 хвилини тому

      After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.

  • @stevesteve8098
    @stevesteve8098 2 години тому

    Still better than MT GOX... where the recovery was only ~21% after 10 years...

  • @k.q.c.8292
    @k.q.c.8292 День тому +2

    What do you mean the irs is giving up its $24b tax claim for this. In the end it's literally a refund subsidized by tax payers?

  • @Anonsense-w5g
    @Anonsense-w5g День тому +4

    Does this mean Tom Brady gets his wife back?

  • @TonySoares17
    @TonySoares17 День тому

    What about the companies who froze their customers funds because of FTX's collapse/freeze. Companies like Blockfi that went under and filed bankruptcy....

    • @ElenaSartori-q9y
      @ElenaSartori-q9y День тому

      It's understandable to be concerned, especially after what happened with FTX. It's a difficult situation for everyone involved, and I feel for those who lost their funds. However, it's crucial to remember that this event highlights the importance of due diligence and choosing reputable platforms. Don't give up on crypto altogether, just be cautious and do your research

  • @One-Two-T
    @One-Two-T День тому

    Really hoping to get a refund from BlockFi (which went bankruptcy because of FTX).

  • @Aaron-ty6vz
    @Aaron-ty6vz День тому

    Finally. Not as nearly as good as just the asset at today’s value but I guess most people don’t have the means to get even close to this value with all their lawyers working and getting paid a huge chunk

  • @832elf
    @832elf 14 годин тому

    You are inaccurate in reporting of investors being made whole ,you should be specific. They are not being made whole Deposit can be cash or tokens. Most of them were tokens not cash so paying us 118% is meaningless.

  • @TheHolymadrix
    @TheHolymadrix День тому +1

    I mean, fully expected people to get nothing so this is something but yeah still just crazy.

  • @wanderingjuniper
    @wanderingjuniper День тому

    Why will the >50K investors get more returns (even if slower) than the others?

  • @Squatle
    @Squatle День тому +113

    This is the channel I need on investing. No BS, just calm clear information. You’re doing a great job, 😊lease don’t change.

    • @Squatle
      @Squatle День тому +4

      *please (fat thumbs on mobile)

  • @chanonmckay8766
    @chanonmckay8766 День тому

    lets pay a judge $50,000 to tell us that moneys owed are being returned

  • @iTzDritte
    @iTzDritte День тому +30

    118% refund is CRAZY, I hope all refunds I ever get are that good 😂

    • @oo--7714
      @oo--7714 День тому +4

      Damn I should have put in 2000 dollars

    • @MrMikeashly
      @MrMikeashly День тому +13

      Compared to the 300% if you had kept your BTC it's pretty crap lol

    • @CanadianFinanceSimplified
      @CanadianFinanceSimplified День тому

      @@oo--7714 It really depends what you kept the coins as. 118% on Nov 2022 prices is awful if you were just going to have crypto.

    • @tonycrabtree3416
      @tonycrabtree3416 День тому +4

      @@MrMikeashlyI mean, when you lose money you don’t usually expect 100%+ back. lol

    • @sahidko1377
      @sahidko1377 День тому +1

      118% on prices as of November 2022 which lets put it midly were pretty low. We are not getting back our crypto which in most cases has grown quite significantly in value since then. But better than nothing of course.

  • @denisplouffe514
    @denisplouffe514 День тому +4

    Your explanation of this issue with
    FTX is the most informative I’ve heard
    so far. Congratulations on a great job.

  • @peterbett3076
    @peterbett3076 День тому +1

    Fabulous clear explanation. Thanks as always Richard

  • @MonkeyBisnez
    @MonkeyBisnez 15 годин тому +1

    Bet they didn’t get any refunds from those fancy political donations

  • @Eugenewong794
    @Eugenewong794 21 годину тому +4

    This is why the US stock market is the most valuable market in the world, they are the envy of other stock market, as a non US citizen, as much as i see americans complaint about their gov and broken system, their regulators are among the best in the world, as demonstrated in this case, which really increases investor confidence

  • @peterpham240
    @peterpham240 День тому +2

    Bagels version of GAAP: God Awful Accounting Practices 😂

  • @robymaru03
    @robymaru03 День тому +1

    On one side is pretty good, many families would be having a better Christimas than expected on the other side most of those claims were bought by people with big money, and people who would have benefited the most aren't the one getting paid back.

  • @rbiscuit7458
    @rbiscuit7458 День тому

    Wonder when this with happen to Tether. One day.

  • @sprinkle61
    @sprinkle61 14 годин тому

    You are completely misrepresenting this payout when you say it 'makes everyone whole'. Almost EVERY customer will take effectively a 70 % haircut, unless they held only fiat on the exchange, and most crypto users don't do that. This failure basically caused the Crypto Winter to suddenly strike, and once it moved on, all the value lost came back, just not to the victims of FTX that lost it. The timing of the crash is not co-incidental or random, it was caused by this and other fiascos in the industry, and in no way did any customers deserve to be force sold at the bottom of the market.

  • @teddyb4168
    @teddyb4168 День тому

    Did Biden administration have anything to do with this resolution? Would other administrations in past be less successful based on who is in office? Like enron?

  • @Lazzil
    @Lazzil День тому +1

    14:20 How to use swear words without using swear words.

  • @kelvinoa5555
    @kelvinoa5555 День тому +10

    I refreshed my feed and it said “27 seconds ago” well

    • @JohnSmith-op7ls
      @JohnSmith-op7ls День тому +4

      We’re all happy that a thing happened and you noticed it

    • @frozenporkchops
      @frozenporkchops День тому +2

      We're all happy that a thing happened and you noticed it

  • @enemyofYTemployees
    @enemyofYTemployees День тому +5

    Btc only quadrupled during the time and the customer only got 118% of their balance at the absolute market bottom.

  • @believeroflight9888
    @believeroflight9888 День тому

    118% in dollar terms or in crypto currency terms. If its crypto , that would be just chum change.

  • @pneuma23093
    @pneuma23093 День тому

    Off the top of my head, the math ain’t mathing.

  • @ack6668
    @ack6668 15 годин тому

    No refund teehee

  • @jeremynewell9903
    @jeremynewell9903 День тому

    Oh good. All things will be set right in the world again! 🙄 I have my doubts.
    Good old Nortel 🙃

  • @RovinTan
    @RovinTan 15 годин тому

    Crypto has grown 4x on average since then. Getting 118% back is still not the 400% those victims would have gotten if they had held on to their crypto in a cold wallet. Those who lost 100 btc then can't even buy 25 btc with the 118% refund.

  • @Toxo
    @Toxo День тому +12

    Really did not see this coming...

  • @antipode_ghost
    @antipode_ghost День тому +2

    Are they being made whole in the original amount of crypto tokens that they held, or in USD value of their holdings at the bankruptcy date? Because if it's the latter, then it's really debatable whether they were made whole, if the bankruptcy date coincided with the bear market. In USD it may appear that they are up 18% or whatever, but in, say, number of Bitcoins they are getting back, they could be down 60% or more.

    • @calvin7330
      @calvin7330 День тому +4

      The second one, it's mentioned in the video

  • @marcusclarke5628
    @marcusclarke5628 16 хвилин тому

    Make risky investments you could win big or lose alot, giving back the money just encourages more to waste their money on silly investments

  • @adriaancanter4573
    @adriaancanter4573 День тому

    That was a bit of a gloss-over about claw back of political donations. I'd like to know what Maxine Waters et. al had to return if any...

  • @jimmcneal5292
    @jimmcneal5292 День тому +4

    Wait, why would influencers give back their payment for advertizement? I would not

    • @schwingedeshaehers
      @schwingedeshaehers День тому +2

      because everything else could be illegal

    • @arcaneire
      @arcaneire День тому +2

      They're prepayments, so I guess they hadn't actually done all the ads they'd been paid for

  • @tarfeef101
    @tarfeef101 День тому +6

    I'm eating a plain bagel as I watch this 🙂

  • @adamdavies7105
    @adamdavies7105 17 хвилин тому

    The entire value of crypto is based on the promise that somebody else values it. There's nothing tangible backing to it and, in my view, is a glorified decentirised ponzi scheme. A normal currency has value because it's backed by governments, with taxes and laws etc backing it up. Bitcoin is just a promise.
    The only reason large successful companies are involved in it is, either to trade it or facilitate trading with it as a market maker. Or... just as a bit of a hedge and not wanting to go the way that blockbuster did.

  • @huplim
    @huplim День тому +2

    Happy friday!

  • @IAmTheDawn
    @IAmTheDawn День тому

    Caroline Ellison.... just, no words.

  • @Decentralized_Maze
    @Decentralized_Maze День тому +9

    Just found your channel. I see why you have nearly 1 million subscribers, for your quality information and presentation, personality, no wasted time, unbiased discussion, helpful, etc. Phenomenal job and new subscriber here.

  • @sriram181
    @sriram181 13 годин тому

    Richard Is finally seen putting on some weight for a financial analyst 😂

  • @adrewandrew8001
    @adrewandrew8001 День тому +1

    FTX

  • @angel_killzit
    @angel_killzit День тому +1

    stop it , leave me alone :)

  • @ktktktktktktkt
    @ktktktktktktkt День тому +1

    10:00 While it looks like he might be doing some good here, Meet Kevin is a known grifter and I would be highly skeptical of anything he pushes.

  • @JizzMasterTheZeroth
    @JizzMasterTheZeroth День тому +2

    Rumor has it that they've allocated one Bazingazillion FTX tokens to refund customers.

  • @maasicas
    @maasicas День тому

    They dont have the money to refund. Obviously. This is silly.

  • @JohnSmith-op7ls
    @JohnSmith-op7ls День тому +2

    Meet Kevin trying to grift his way into looking like a good guy from all this.
    What a scumbag

    • @jimmcneal5292
      @jimmcneal5292 День тому +1

      Kevin who?

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 День тому

      Is he really a finance professional or just an amateur?

    • @JohnSmith-op7ls
      @JohnSmith-op7ls День тому

      @@samsonsoturian6013 He only become a licensed financial advisor 2 years ago, just to try and seem more legit.
      He’s nothing more than another get rich guru selling overpriced courses.

  • @rdottwordottwo2286
    @rdottwordottwo2286 День тому +1

    This a good thing in my opinion!

  • @Sentient_Goose
    @Sentient_Goose День тому

    You been working out Bagel? Looking good stud 🔥

  • @AldoInza
    @AldoInza День тому +11

    People who are angry to only get 9% annual noncompounded returns on this money are just reacting emotionally, there's no logical reason to be upset. The fact that crypto went up after they were defrauded is irrelevant. The are actually angry that their money was accidentally kept safe from themselves through odd quirks and coincidences. They think that they were shrewd investors to like crypto, and didn't have the chance to capitalize on their shrewdness. But they were not wise enough to avoid investing with FTX, SBF, and crypto.
    Frankly, I think the success of the fraud is what buoyed the price of crypto as a safe place to perform criminal financial transactions.

    • @ILoveTinfoilHats
      @ILoveTinfoilHats 23 години тому

      Wow, I've never read something so wrong that I lost braincells before, but here we are!!

    • @X11CHASE
      @X11CHASE 16 годин тому

      @@ILoveTinfoilHatsyou’re one of the stupid ones. The guy’s comment is spot on about you fuckin retarded FTX participants…

    • @dhillaz
      @dhillaz 8 годин тому

      I'd say the reasonable level of upset has simply been reduced from "traumatized" to "very disappointed"

  • @ii8283
    @ii8283 День тому +1

    "Misappropriating client funds" is one way to put it

  • @inurear
    @inurear День тому

    The weird benefit of Crypto. All transactions are traceable once you have the wallet --- so, unlike cash crime, the recovery efforts were significantly more successful even if the paper trail was significantly less healthy.
    Unlike Wall Street 2008 - this high crime doesn't victimize the most innocent. And that was the whole entire point of the Nakamura paper to begin with.
    *** I'm not saying there were no victims, but, I do imagine that National Banks everywhere are taking note ***

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 День тому +1

      Lying about a crash that happened when you were in grade school does nothing for no one

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 День тому +3

    I'm guessing the reason they actually have the money to return is because most of the stolen money was spent on things that can be sold (Mansions, cars, stocks) and because the court is screwing over the VC investors per usual.

    • @tommyle3243
      @tommyle3243 День тому +2

      Ahhhh yes mansions and cars, the assets that you always make money on

    • @robymaru03
      @robymaru03 День тому

      @@tommyle3243 If you bought a manssion 2 years ago, selling it now would allow to repay with not only 118%, even 150% is not a stretch.

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 День тому +1

      Mostly the crypto holding shot back up in valuation, reinflating SBF's bouncy house of cards.

  • @andrewkelley9405
    @andrewkelley9405 День тому +1

    this sounds too good to be true.

  • @vladtc2732
    @vladtc2732 День тому

    How will they refund customers? What is the procedure?

  • @benashbaugh5982
    @benashbaugh5982 День тому

    I am curious how this will impact tax for people getting their money back

  • @UnprofessionalProfessor
    @UnprofessionalProfessor День тому +3

    "10 seconds ago"😅

  • @psiklops71
    @psiklops71 День тому

    SBF's parets are Guilty as all heck ...

  • @alejandrooceguera4656
    @alejandrooceguera4656 День тому +3

    This bagel is so plain and simple, incredible really

  • @Naz-yi9bs
    @Naz-yi9bs День тому +8

    Hey man, I don't know who to ask so I'm mentioning it here but you don't have to do anything about it but if you do, I'd be grateful. Just want some attention given to the decision that international clients (I'm from Canada) are just stuck in limbo with indefinite wait time until a solution has been made. Like I said, don't know what to do but ask an "influencer" like you to shed some light on it so hopefully all of us international clients aren't forgotten.
    Thank you for this video