Flamboyant as he is, Shadow Kanji touched on an important issue you rarely see handled in media. Not homosexuality, rather masculinity and expectations on men. I've seen too many men who put up tough facades, decry anything remotely feminine or gay because they're afraid indulging in those interests would make them shadow kanji - some silly, weird, perverted dude who everyone laughs at. And sad part is society often treats them like that if they DO engage in interests not deemed masculine. "Oh, that's boy in sewing class? Must be gay! And that one likes to wear pink? He must be really weak and a crybaby! And dude over there cried at the movie! What a wuss!". It's a toxic as hell mindset. Like Kanji said it ultimately had nothing to do with his sexuality, more-so that society tends to treat men who fall outside the norm as gay, so the two issues end up overlapping despite in reality having nothing to do with each other. As for his sexuality, I'm personally happy it's left up in the air. It's not what matters, and as someone who's still not sure about their own sexual identity I appreciate a character who are in that same ambiguous spot. Some of us don't want to cling to a label, we'd rather just be who we are and let life take us where it leads us.
Yeah it's weird how everyone focuses on the aspect of him being gay, to me the most powerful line that he says is What does it mean to be a guy? What does it mean to be manly? Because really embodies almost all his points
the truth thanks to those same labels, there is a lot of maleness. because there are those who believe that women should be cooking and must be tightly raised and with children. And I say, whoever wants to, if you are a man and you like to sew, do it. If you want to be a police officer and you are a woman, do it. for no one says that it is "feminine" and that it is "masculine". Since it is not good to live on labels. But how society will not change. People will continue to live in hell. It is one of the reasons why, as a woman, I quit sewing.
True enough. I’m a guy that enjoys gardening and crafts yet many people have always made fun of me for that. Like, what the hell is wrong with liking flowers? It’s a part of biology! What’s wrong with liking to decorate baskets or sewing a quilt? I could really use one to choke the life out of you.
Basically, typical stereotypes (why did we even invent them I have no idea). Now because of these society thinks one precise thing about something and when it doesn't go as they want they go for the option that you're different and weird. So, what do they do? Accept for who you are? Nuh-uh. They think of you as a joke of nature and someone that isn't something.
Tyrique Coleman Wait hold on so what was kanji's shadow saying? That chicks were basically giving him a hard time about his personal hobbies and likes so he should probably be homosexual?
Chad Saturday He's a guy with "girly" hobbies which girls reject and call him gay for and guys don't really understand. This is why he overcompensates by being rough to the point that guys are scared of him (like the dudes who commented about him at school) but in reality, he doesn't really understand what being a guy is supposed to be like. So both genders reject him. He just seeks acceptance of who he is, a guy who likes art and sewing. People often misinterpret this as a sign of homosexuality which is what Kanji mistakes as something he has but all he wants is to expose himself and be accepted (which is why the shadow's in his undergarments"
Kanji is bisexual and his feeling of girls calling him queer makes him insecure with his masculinity this persona is mostly about that but you can not also deny the fact that this dungeon heavily implies he himself has at least some homosexual feelings. If you do you are blatantly ignoring facts
@@user-mv3xz1ki2c yes, the bathhouse has heavily gay overtones. _That's the joke._ Kanji has to hide facets of his personality *because society deems that only gay men would like flowers and knitting.* Not only did the joke fly over your head it boomeranged back and hit you in the face.
Shadow kanji did show the effect of toxic masculinity. He was traumatised by the girl talking behind his back for his sewing hobby. Thus his subconscious ponder if a man will accept him. Ppl often overlook this and focus on gay symbolism of him while kanji himself still attracted to naoto knowing her real gender.
***** he would've been accepted if he didn't put unnessesary preseure on himself also, women aren't as bad as some would try and desribe, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a utter whiny bitch and a real woman, if he can't get that concept, i don't know what to say
f45411 First of all you sound like a narrow minded person, just because you believe that someone should act one way doesn't mean that they will. Second you seem to fail to understand that he was being bullied by the girls he know, and naturally that would disencourage him to socialise with more girls, and create some sort of dislike to them which is his Shadow.
I think it's less about sexuality and more about his struggle with identity what is manly and showing his feminine side,being afraid that everyone will not accept it, I still think he is bisexual though even if in game there is no clear explanation
+Liam Canney I think it has nothing to do with sexuality at all, I think it's more just him being accepted by anyone, anywhere. He's a guy who's into what's considered feminine activities, but he himself doesn't like acting that way. This way, he doesn't really fit in with the girls because they called him weird and stuff like that. He fits in slightly better with guys, but because of his tough guy attitude, he doesn't really fit in anywhere. Therefore, he wants to be accepted by any person, male or female. Not necessarily in a sexual way.
He was still attracted to Naoto even after it was revealed she was pretending to be a guy, but as Kanji stated, he was well aware of his sexual identity but he was worried about being judged by his peers.
The best thing about the Shadows is how they take a concept the populace would find negative, and have the characters turn them into positives. Like here, when Kanji's Shadow says "Men are MUCH better..." in a menacing way, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that statement, but it's dressed up to make it seem like it is.
MoviesNGames007uk Not really, persona 4 is about identity and acceptation this is perfectly suited for kanji, who struggles about his sexuality and masculinity. p5 is more about rebellion & society, the themes of p5 don't fit with the kanji's arc, and Persona 2-3 story are way darker than p5. Persona 4 story has also a weird vibe like p5
As someone who's always been terrified of what others think of me, and not just in terms of sexuality, I can relate with Kanji quite a lot. We're all scared of how other's perceive our interests, some girls have more male orientated interests but are afraid of revealing them to others due to some rather... hurtful labels. The same can be said of boy's and rumors of them being gay, or wusses, so on and so forth It's about accepting yourself in the end, but as Kanji's social link shows, even after facing all those ugly doubts and insecurities it's still hard to come to terms with them. It's scary to realize that you don't know yourself as well as you thought, but sometimes it's also scary to realize that's okay. It's okay to be who you are, but you know deep down this is going change your worldview, and who you are fundamentally all over again. And that's terrifying.
@@metalblade8986 the reason he is written like that is localization and that in JPN he has a verbal tic that he says -kuma at the end of every line. For ENG they changed that for bear puns.
I still remember my friends roping me into playing Persona for a week with them during summer vacation, and my eyes lighting up at Kanji and they were like "just wait for his arc, not sure if you'll like him then" and they were right, cuz after that, I loved him. He's got a great character arc.
Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Ahem. Anyway. I've been considering giving the Persona series a whirl. Any suggestions on where I should start?
Harry Potter no way, P2 is completely different, also the random encounter may get annoying, personally its only for the characters and story, so try to play it on easy, but never play P1, ever.
@@barbatosdiablosrex Except he isnt gay. And everyone who is mature would get the fact that he isn't gay. Which is the deepest part of this game because multiple people perceived him to be so which led to Kanji's confusion creating this Shadow. Everyone in the comment's section sees him that way, they are apart of the problem.
His attraction to Naoto is something I'd put down to the relationship that develops over time, mostly from seeing how it's dealt with the anime: when they first meet and Naoto says that she finds him "interesting," Kanji takes that as Naoto (in disguise) is possibly attracted to him and he is relieved at having possibly found another gay man in Inaba, but after learning Naoto's a girl, it may be possible the feelings he has for her are more personal than just a basic attraction towards gender Kanji DOES accept that his sexual preference is towards men, but from the relationship he and Naoto develop in the end by comparison to his relationships with the other girls, I'm guessing that he's not "completely" bisexual, but he does care about her on a close emotional level ... In spite of all that, though, I still ship them XD
***** The exact scene leaves it very ambiguous who he found attractive to the point of nosebleed. It could've easily be either the girls in bikini, or the guys only in shorts who are wet as well, or even both. Not helped in extra dialogue in Golden where he has some...interesting comments should MC talk to him in a dungeon while he (MC) is wearing the Towel costume.
Persona 4 is definitely one of the best games on both the PS2 and Vita, and I'm glad they gave it a re-release. It's thought-provoking and challenging. You WILL die (granted, sometimes to cheap shots but that comes with being a SMT series game), but it never makes you want to stop playing because the story and combat are both so engaging. It's unfortunate that the randomly-generated maps to explore in are average at best, nothing compared to the genius that was Nocturne's (SMT3) dungeons. Still, I would recommend this game to ANYONE, gamers and non-gamers, whether they enjoy JRPGS and turn-based combat or not.
I don't think this matters, but I don't read Kanji as being gay or bisexual. Kanji's shadow is struggling with his traditionally feminine interests, like knitting and liking cute things. His meeting with Naoto makes him automatically attracted, which is why he goes haywire - it's the first time he's attracted to someone, and he thinks Naoto is a man. This makes him confused and fearful that he is, until he learns from his shadow battle it doesn't matter what he is, just that he should accept himself. That's the major takeaway of Kanji. Although I personally don't think he is gay or bisexual, what matters is being able to accept yourself for who you are regardless of how you or the world labels yourself.
From what I know and understand of the game, this is the most sensible explanation. A guy who has interests that don't exactly fit with the normal perception of his age and gender and his subconscious mind internalizing it, how he's worried society would see him for having even a slight deviance from the common idea of 'this is a man', and what it might really mean for him as a person. If I recall correctly, it was also just him and his mom. So him taking up sewing and knitting are natural extensions of that situation. He's helping his mom and likes doing it so there's nothing wrong. Even though society at the time might act like the "lack of a strong male influence" led to him being to be different. Then in walks a girl who pretends to be a guy and, even though he thinks she's a "fellow male", he likes her. Maybe more than likes her. Real screwball to his already tense subconscious that's judging him like he thinks society would. Though there's nothing wrong with liking cute things, regardless of gender or age. It's just that our own individual tastes would change what cute applies to. What's typecast as 'cutesy' or 'cute to women' might be a generalization but... Yeah, parental influence does have influence there. And even with a dad in the picture, Kanji might be interested anyway. He likes art and cuteness? So what? If it's not manly to have an interest in something more than fighting, best get rid of the stereotype. But it doesn't change that what does matter is that he should be willing to accept himself and the fact that yes, he likes those things, they do not detract from his "man cred", he doesn't have to explain a thing about it. And if anyone has a problem with it, too damn bad. I personally think it's really manly if you can cook, clean, and sew. Not to mention, it shows potential romantic partners that you're appealing in more ways and can support them when they need it. Though it doesn't really help that his peers, also teens who are also figuring themselves and sociocultural and gender roles out, don't really know or accept much about themselves either.
@@anubis7457 Not necessarily? He says specifically "it aint about guys or chicks" in reference to the shadows words about girls being scary and preferring men. That's not him saying he'd date guys or girls, just him saying it's not about who it is provided they accept him (not necessarily in a sexual or romantic way)
I can kinda relate though. I'm afraid of being judged by people based on my personality. I like to paint , I'm quite reserve around people other than my group and some. I always think I'm so different than most guys in my class
19:53 his persona looks like Summoned Skull from Yu-gi-oh and when I was playing as him, he was using electrical attacks just like Yugi when he was using Summoned Skull
Stanislaw Krawczyk to more right on what he means on a “gay voice” is where male’s voice has a large stereotypical feeling of feminine taste behind their words.
TsukiKageTora I suppose that the thing is that all of this is going on the Midnight Channel, and casual sitizens of Inaba can watch it with straight face and no particular questions. Which is really weird, if you ask me. Imagine that you found a channel, on which a gay man searches for his love in sauna, and then suddenly aforementioned gay man turns all Megazord and fights a group of teens with spiritual projections.
This feels so dumbed down compared to the original P4 version. In the original none of them had any weaknesses and Nice Guy would spam Heat Riser/Tarukaja on the other 2 whenever possible. Here it looks like Shadow Kanji uses status moves and his normal attack mostly (aka his least threatening moves) while Nice Guy casts only single stat buffs and actually wastes turns attacking :( In short they nerfed the boss's attacks AND made him easier to kill. This fight looks really easy now compared to the original P4 which is kinda sad because I liked the challenge :/
TheBlackknight720 yup. When I first started playing Persona 4, I got rekt SO BAD by Shadow Kanji. Like seriously, it's one of the most annoying boss fight ever. But seeing the P4G, it's easy af. You can literally beat it even being underleveled
Right ! When I play P4G it was easy to kill'em. I recently bough p4 on ps3, and ahah it was a really difficult fight but got it after like 20 minutes lol
I absolutely love how even after what happened here and Kanji sorts out his inner demons, excessively homosexual Shadow Kanji is pretty much a recurring joke regardless. It gets bought up more than the other characters, and I think subsequent appearances of Shadow Kanji in the spinoffs have the same over-the-top personality even when they don't have any reason to do so.
Fun fact: as if this couldn’t be any more gay, his boss form is covered in roses, which while in many cultures represents romance, in Japan represents homosexuality
its actually anime reference that the guy members inflicted with poison. while the girls inflicted by rage....you need watch the animation for that..^^
I like how everyone attacks Nice Guy and Tough Guy but for me all I had to do was attack Shadow Kanji and just nullify his stat bonuses. I think I was a bit too over leveled for that boss fight...it wasn't even a challenge
Shadow Kanji puts on a show of being as gay as possible, to try and be more acceptable to Kanji, because it manifested from fear of rejection. The fight isn't simply resolved by Kanji accepting that fear, he knocks some sense into his other self to make his shadow accept itself.
He's not gay, but scared of being seen as gay for liking non-manly things. It's a common occurrence and I can relate to it. I can't act tough as him and look up to the guy for accepting who he is. A man who can accept his true nature of being a kind gentle fellow.
@@redd5505 Stop labeling everything as lgtb and respect others opinions. To my eyes is hinted that Kanji could be bi, is clear that he has a lot of interest on the girls and has a crush on Naoto but sometimes he blushes and feels confortable in certain questionable situations with the guys too.
@@LinkaDL end of it is that kanji is obviously gay/bi and everyone who tries to deny it or spends ages trying to disprove it genuinely just has some weird issues with the lgbt community this is the same as tryna say yosuke didnt have a crush on saki or that adachi is perfectly sane
Hesh Hepplewhite What's funny is that it's not a sterotype. The Shadows, as the game says, are the person's true emotions cranked up to 11, so it's so over dramatic because of it.
Dang people spend way too many words to just explain the problem. It's labeling, stereotyping and lack of confidence, mah dudes. Heck, I get subject to that too when I do UNmanly things
yo what level should you be for this fight? right now my group is like 17-20ish but ive heard it should be like 22? also which persona is best for it? edit: nevermind i did it with everyone at level 21
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Flamboyant as he is, Shadow Kanji touched on an important issue you rarely see handled in media. Not homosexuality, rather masculinity and expectations on men. I've seen too many men who put up tough facades, decry anything remotely feminine or gay because they're afraid indulging in those interests would make them shadow kanji - some silly, weird, perverted dude who everyone laughs at. And sad part is society often treats them like that if they DO engage in interests not deemed masculine. "Oh, that's boy in sewing class? Must be gay! And that one likes to wear pink? He must be really weak and a crybaby! And dude over there cried at the movie! What a wuss!". It's a toxic as hell mindset.
Like Kanji said it ultimately had nothing to do with his sexuality, more-so that society tends to treat men who fall outside the norm as gay, so the two issues end up overlapping despite in reality having nothing to do with each other. As for his sexuality, I'm personally happy it's left up in the air. It's not what matters, and as someone who's still not sure about their own sexual identity I appreciate a character who are in that same ambiguous spot. Some of us don't want to cling to a label, we'd rather just be who we are and let life take us where it leads us.
Yeah it's weird how everyone focuses on the aspect of him being gay, to me the most powerful line that he says is
What does it mean to be a guy?
What does it mean to be manly?
Because really embodies almost all his points
the truth thanks to those same labels, there is a lot of maleness. because there are those who believe that women should be cooking and must be tightly raised and with children.
And I say, whoever wants to, if you are a man and you like to sew, do it.
If you want to be a police officer and you are a woman, do it.
for no one says that it is "feminine" and that it is "masculine". Since it is not good to live on labels. But how society will not change. People will continue to live in hell.
It is one of the reasons why, as a woman, I quit sewing.
True enough. I’m a guy that enjoys gardening and crafts yet many people have always made fun of me for that. Like, what the hell is wrong with liking flowers? It’s a part of biology! What’s wrong with liking to decorate baskets or sewing a quilt? I could really use one to choke the life out of you.
Basically, typical stereotypes (why did we even invent them I have no idea).
Now because of these society thinks one precise thing about something and when it doesn't go as they want they go for the option that you're different and weird.
So, what do they do? Accept for who you are? Nuh-uh.
They think of you as a joke of nature and someone that isn't something.
I was waiting for someone to comment on that, I feel this pressure cuz I don’t look manly and when I try to nobody takes me seriously
That moment when you realize that the Shadow makes a hell of a point.
Tyrique Coleman the shadows are supposed to make sense. It's the "truth" about people that they can't deny
Tyrique Coleman Wait hold on so what was kanji's shadow saying? That chicks were basically giving him a hard time about his personal hobbies and likes so he should probably be homosexual?
Chad Saturday He's a guy with "girly" hobbies which girls reject and call him gay for and guys don't really understand. This is why he overcompensates by being rough to the point that guys are scared of him (like the dudes who commented about him at school) but in reality, he doesn't really understand what being a guy is supposed to be like. So both genders reject him. He just seeks acceptance of who he is, a guy who likes art and sewing. People often misinterpret this as a sign of homosexuality which is what Kanji mistakes as something he has but all he wants is to expose himself and be accepted (which is why the shadow's in his undergarments"
"I don't care who . . . won't someone, ANYONE, please accept me? Accept me for who I am!"
Ding ding ding. The whole actual issue
Kanji is bisexual and his feeling of girls calling him queer makes him insecure with his masculinity this persona is mostly about that but you can not also deny the fact that this dungeon heavily implies he himself has at least some homosexual feelings. If you do you are blatantly ignoring facts
@@user-mv3xz1ki2c yes, the bathhouse has heavily gay overtones. _That's the joke._ Kanji has to hide facets of his personality *because society deems that only gay men would like flowers and knitting.*
Not only did the joke fly over your head it boomeranged back and hit you in the face.
milkinaction in the end of his social link it said that his shadow is him
milkinaction also the flower is a reference to shoujo manga. In shoujo manga flowers represent love. Anyways it’s also used a lot in yaoi
Shadow kanji did show the effect of toxic masculinity. He was traumatised by the girl talking behind his back for his sewing hobby. Thus his subconscious ponder if a man will accept him. Ppl often overlook this and focus on gay symbolism of him while kanji himself still attracted to naoto knowing her real gender.
0:15 I like how he paused slightly before he said penetrated xD
And when he said “deep”
Hey now..... 😏🌝
...You want to know something?
In some, scary way, Shadow Kanji has a point.
Mu91c14n Doesn't all the shadows
Wow, not at all, and even if can't coup with some minor BS, you shouldn't be looking for a partner to begin with
f45411 It wasn't about coup, it was about being accepted.
***** he would've been accepted if he didn't put unnessesary preseure on himself
also, women aren't as bad as some would try and desribe, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a utter whiny bitch and a real woman, if he can't get that concept, i don't know what to say
f45411 First of all you sound like a narrow minded person, just because you believe that someone should act one way doesn't mean that they will. Second you seem to fail to understand that he was being bullied by the girls he know, and naturally that would disencourage him to socialise with more girls, and create some sort of dislike to them which is his Shadow.
Kanji. The only man how can punch his own gay into submission
Yes. Into *submission.*
;)
Most gay people actually have to do that
Wait isn't yosuke gay too
Why did they not give yosuke a romance option
I don't even have this game
oof
Let us best that rubbish gay clone into *submission*
the biggest r/wooooooosh
I think it's less about sexuality and more about his struggle with identity what is manly and showing his feminine side,being afraid that everyone will not accept it, I still think he is bisexual though even if in game there is no clear explanation
+Liam Canney I think it has nothing to do with sexuality at all, I think it's more just him being accepted by anyone, anywhere. He's a guy who's into what's considered feminine activities, but he himself doesn't like acting that way. This way, he doesn't really fit in with the girls because they called him weird and stuff like that. He fits in slightly better with guys, but because of his tough guy attitude, he doesn't really fit in anywhere. Therefore, he wants to be accepted by any person, male or female. Not necessarily in a sexual way.
Can we please leave social justice out of persona please? Thanks! :D
Great loser loser. LMFAO.
pitiful comeback
did you just find out you were adopted or something?
Shadow Kanji: YOUUU GUUUUUYS
EVERYONE AT SCHOOL MAKES FUN OF ME BECAUSE I LIKE-
Kanji: *WOMEN.*
IT'S STILL SYMBOLIC...
Aaaaahhh~
(Sice you know heiss gay)
Eeeeeewwww....
He likes cute stuff
The end
He was still attracted to Naoto even after it was revealed she was pretending to be a guy, but as Kanji stated, he was well aware of his sexual identity but he was worried about being judged by his peers.
And then Kanji got a Persona.
“Hell yeah!”
...Too bad you’ll never use him during battle.
“Aw man.”
IT'S STILL SYMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!
IIIIIITTTSSSSSS SSSSYYYYYYYMMMMMBBBBBOOOOOOLLLLLIIIIICCCCC!!!!!
Xaveze you know, 'cause he's gay
AAAAAHHHHHHHH...!
EWWW!
Caw
i like how yukiko says " I am Thou" everytime she summons her persona.
I AM THOU
I AM THOU
I AM THOU
I AM THOU
...
Yonaka Kurai "THERE!"
Me too.
It's so satisfying when she goes: "I am thou.... THERE!" WHY IS IT SO SATISFYING
The boys: *are poisoned*
The girls: *gets mad*
*_huh_*
Mindy Sakaki the boss fight is designed like that.
Just Like The Anime
Just Like In Real Life
Well boys with there masculinity
While girls found it too weird and odd
Keyword:toxic masculinity.
Yosuke's all poisioned!
Teddie Was i suppossed to laugh?
Teddie: Yoskue's Poisoned!
Me: (Quickly Gives Yoskue All Of Springtrap's Skills, Then Yoskue Uses Dispel Dance)
Dispel Dance (50 MP):
Removes All Negative Status Effects (Excluding Debuffs)
DAMMIT TEDDIE! NOT THE TIME, HEE-HO!
Really Teddie
Chie-Chan is really pissed off
Yukiko getting healed: "I'm sorry."
me: "NO IT'S OK SWEETIE YOU'RE DOING GREAT"
I am thou
BEAR!
caught simpin
@@reconjosh1517 *looking around* "fuck bros how do I tell him I'm gay?"
@@juanpablorobayo9891 you have 7 days to figure that out
@@juanpablorobayo9891 punch your shadow
The best thing about the Shadows is how they take a concept the populace would find negative, and have the characters turn them into positives. Like here, when Kanji's Shadow says "Men are MUCH better..." in a menacing way, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that statement, but it's dressed up to make it seem like it is.
I really like how they added this subtle touch to the fight with Kanji being toxic towards males and enraging girls with his combat skills.
Toxic femininity
Troy Baker... nice job giving Shadow Kanji a homosexual-stereotype voice, and good job giving normal Kanji the badass voice I like so much. HELL YEAH!
Melissa Kline He sounds like Amane
@@mechamicro lol nop
Lol, hearing Shadow Kanji makes me think of Saints Row 4
Shadow Kanji is more suited to P5's weird and wonderful dark story haha
MoviesNGames007uk Not really, persona 4 is about identity and acceptation this is perfectly suited for kanji, who struggles about his sexuality and masculinity. p5 is more about rebellion & society, the themes of p5 don't fit with the kanji's arc, and Persona 2-3 story are way darker than p5. Persona 4 story has also a weird vibe like p5
Shadow Kanji’s voice acting is amazing in this scene.
Yeah kanji and joel from the last of us have the same VA
Troy Baker
As someone who's always been terrified of what others think of me, and not just in terms of sexuality, I can relate with Kanji quite a lot.
We're all scared of how other's perceive our interests, some girls have more male orientated interests but are afraid of revealing them to others due to some rather... hurtful labels. The same can be said of boy's and rumors of them being gay, or wusses, so on and so forth
It's about accepting yourself in the end, but as Kanji's social link shows, even after facing all those ugly doubts and insecurities it's still hard to come to terms with them.
It's scary to realize that you don't know yourself as well as you thought, but sometimes it's also scary to realize that's okay.
It's okay to be who you are, but you know deep down this is going change your worldview, and who you are fundamentally all over again.
And that's terrifying.
You should never ever be scared , in any form of life, of who you wish to be or what you want to be.
Teddie: Yosuke has bearly any health!
Me: Not the time for jokes Teddie!
I can't believe I never noticed that before...
Time fuz your frizzy fur.
@@metalblade8986 the reason he is written like that is localization and that in JPN he has a verbal tic that he says -kuma at the end of every line.
For ENG they changed that for bear puns.
The Emperor has no clothes!
we won't be invisible
we won't be denied
STILL.
Oh my that's perfect!
Get. Out.
That pun, two times over, is not allowed.
Nice. 👍🏾
I'm still left with one lingering question...
Is Yosuke all poisoned?
Yes
No one will ever know. if at least Teddie give us a hint...
Lyelo Fallcrest poor yuu and yosuke get poisoned?!
Probably from that "Mystery Food X"...oh wait, that's later in the game. xD
Lye
lo Fallcrest
I still remember my friends roping me into playing Persona for a week with them during summer vacation, and my eyes lighting up at Kanji and they were like "just wait for his arc, not sure if you'll like him then"
and they were right, cuz after that, I loved him.
He's got a great character arc.
Chie: Haaaa!! I'll finish you! *uses Tarukaja on Narukami*
Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned! Yosuke's all poisoned!
Ahem. Anyway. I've been considering giving the Persona series a whirl. Any suggestions on where I should start?
3 or 4
Play 4 if you want gameplay more and a happier theme, its better for first timers, if you like that then play P3P, not P3.
P3FES or P4G for bigginers if ur a JRPG fan P2 innocent sin and P2 eternal punishment is for u
Harry Potter
no way, P2 is completely different, also the random encounter may get annoying, personally its only for the characters and story, so try to play it on easy, but never play P1, ever.
The Bright Cube P1 is more grindier than P2 and i love P2 EP
"Very Hard Mode"
Oh my my my.
I'm Kanji Tatsumi and I enjoy NAKED MEN. (Oh yeah~)
-You Guys, everyone at school makes fun of me because i like
-WOMEN
It’s still symbolic
AAAAAAAH!
You know because he’s gay
Ya get it
Michael Pagnotta Sixty Nine like XD
@@barbatosdiablosrex Except he isnt gay. And everyone who is mature would get the fact that he isn't gay.
Which is the deepest part of this game because multiple people perceived him to be so which led to Kanji's confusion creating this Shadow. Everyone in the comment's section sees him that way, they are apart of the problem.
Rex4Smash I know that it’s a joke from the comic dub
As a matter of fact I love Kanji he is the best character and a true man
I just love Yukiko's quote, "I am thou!" Very poetic.
And it's so satisfying to me when she says, "I am thou..... *there!* "
The Emperor she's says I am now there!
Katie Sandow no she doesnt
Katie Sandow I thought so too, before hearing the truth
THERE!
I think no matter how you interrupt Kanji’s Shadow, it’s really amazing and powerful and a relatable feeling
So he's bisexual then?
I mean he is still crushing hard on Naoto.o.o;
Most likely.
His attraction to Naoto is something I'd put down to the relationship that develops over time, mostly from seeing how it's dealt with the anime: when they first meet and Naoto says that she finds him "interesting," Kanji takes that as Naoto (in disguise) is possibly attracted to him and he is relieved at having possibly found another gay man in Inaba, but after learning Naoto's a girl, it may be possible the feelings he has for her are more personal than just a basic attraction towards gender
Kanji DOES accept that his sexual preference is towards men, but from the relationship he and Naoto develop in the end by comparison to his relationships with the other girls, I'm guessing that he's not "completely" bisexual, but he does care about her on a close emotional level
...
In spite of all that, though, I still ship them XD
Ponder von Lampgurgle Personally I think he's just Naotosexual
zaqareemalcolm Aren't we all a little Naotosexual? X3
***** The exact scene leaves it very ambiguous who he found attractive to the point of nosebleed. It could've easily be either the girls in bikini, or the guys only in shorts who are wet as well, or even both. Not helped in extra dialogue in Golden where he has some...interesting comments should MC talk to him in a dungeon while he (MC) is wearing the Towel costume.
Shadow Kanji: Exists
Yu and Yosuke: *PERSONA!*
Chie: Whoa guys hold on a minute!
Yosuke: No! I can’t take another second of this place!
I wonder how troy baker delivered these lines
Persona 4 is definitely one of the best games on both the PS2 and Vita, and I'm glad they gave it a re-release. It's thought-provoking and challenging. You WILL die (granted, sometimes to cheap shots but that comes with being a SMT series game), but it never makes you want to stop playing because the story and combat are both so engaging. It's unfortunate that the randomly-generated maps to explore in are average at best, nothing compared to the genius that was Nocturne's (SMT3) dungeons. Still, I would recommend this game to ANYONE, gamers and non-gamers, whether they enjoy JRPGS and turn-based combat or not.
+Raptor Jesus Also 3:32 one of Kanji's best lines. He sounds so legit angry. Props to his voice actor.
Raptor Jesus Persona 5 has way more bullshit in my opinion, but is a much more balanced game with it's tones
(s)kanji: you want this
me:no i do not
Me on the other hand: Fuck YES
Me: no thanks ask yosuke
i dont mind to be gay for kanji
"How dare you say that shit with my face!"
Oh Kanji
Level: Coming out of the closet
Difficulty: H A R D ;)
good lord how many times have I seen this cutscene between Kanji and shadow Kanji because of how HARD THIS FIGHT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL
Because heat riser is kinda endgame buff but nice guy use that, in golden it was rebalancing to just tarukaja rakukaja
The first time i played Persona 4 about 3 years ago, and when i got to this boss, i was like, "What the f**k?"
What was your reaction to Rise?
And then you got to Rise's Shadow and saw every last inch of weirdness..... ;)
@@anthonymurano8494 That thing was a trauma for the poor guy for sure
@@anthonymurano8494 Nah, shadow Kanji can't be topped lol. Rise was definitely creeping me out but Kanji was on levels I didn't know was possible.
I don't think this matters, but I don't read Kanji as being gay or bisexual.
Kanji's shadow is struggling with his traditionally feminine interests, like knitting and liking cute things. His meeting with Naoto makes him automatically attracted, which is why he goes haywire - it's the first time he's attracted to someone, and he thinks Naoto is a man. This makes him confused and fearful that he is, until he learns from his shadow battle it doesn't matter what he is, just that he should accept himself.
That's the major takeaway of Kanji. Although I personally don't think he is gay or bisexual, what matters is being able to accept yourself for who you are regardless of how you or the world labels yourself.
From what I know and understand of the game, this is the most sensible explanation. A guy who has interests that don't exactly fit with the normal perception of his age and gender and his subconscious mind internalizing it, how he's worried society would see him for having even a slight deviance from the common idea of 'this is a man', and what it might really mean for him as a person. If I recall correctly, it was also just him and his mom. So him taking up sewing and knitting are natural extensions of that situation. He's helping his mom and likes doing it so there's nothing wrong. Even though society at the time might act like the "lack of a strong male influence" led to him being to be different. Then in walks a girl who pretends to be a guy and, even though he thinks she's a "fellow male", he likes her. Maybe more than likes her. Real screwball to his already tense subconscious that's judging him like he thinks society would.
Though there's nothing wrong with liking cute things, regardless of gender or age. It's just that our own individual tastes would change what cute applies to. What's typecast as 'cutesy' or 'cute to women' might be a generalization but... Yeah, parental influence does have influence there. And even with a dad in the picture, Kanji might be interested anyway. He likes art and cuteness? So what? If it's not manly to have an interest in something more than fighting, best get rid of the stereotype.
But it doesn't change that what does matter is that he should be willing to accept himself and the fact that yes, he likes those things, they do not detract from his "man cred", he doesn't have to explain a thing about it. And if anyone has a problem with it, too damn bad. I personally think it's really manly if you can cook, clean, and sew. Not to mention, it shows potential romantic partners that you're appealing in more ways and can support them when they need it.
Though it doesn't really help that his peers, also teens who are also figuring themselves and sociocultural and gender roles out, don't really know or accept much about themselves either.
And thinking Naoto was a guy interested in him likely added to the insecurity
yeah ok but who asked tho
He literally says he doesn't care if his partner is a man or woman, just that they accept him. That's bi, my guy.
@@anubis7457 Not necessarily? He says specifically "it aint about guys or chicks" in reference to the shadows words about girls being scary and preferring men.
That's not him saying he'd date guys or girls, just him saying it's not about who it is provided they accept him (not necessarily in a sexual or romantic way)
I can kinda relate though. I'm afraid of being judged by people based on my personality. I like to paint , I'm quite reserve around people other than my group and some. I always think I'm so different than most guys in my class
I feel that guy from a year ago
19:53 his persona looks like Summoned Skull from Yu-gi-oh and when I was playing as him, he was using electrical attacks just like Yugi when he was using Summoned Skull
i just find shadow Kanji freaking hilarious! Troy Baker really knows how to pull of a gay voice.
What in the actual fuck is a gay voice
Vito800 A sterotype.
Stanislaw Krawczyk But funny nevertheless
Wait, that's Troy Baker? Oh my fucking god. Shadow Kanji is now 900 times more hilarious.
Stanislaw Krawczyk to more right on what he means on a “gay voice” is where male’s voice has a large stereotypical feeling of feminine taste behind their words.
do they ever question all this weird shit
+Squid Police it's japan, they probaly think it just a typical podcast.
Space Police its just a normal weekend for them
Polandgod 75 lol you do realize that this is a work of fiction so of course no one would "question" it if perhaps it wasn't written lol XD
TsukiKageTora I suppose that the thing is that all of this is going on the Midnight Channel, and casual sitizens of Inaba can watch it with straight face and no particular questions. Which is really weird, if you ask me.
Imagine that you found a channel, on which a gay man searches for his love in sauna, and then suddenly aforementioned gay man turns all Megazord and fights a group of teens with spiritual projections.
This feels so dumbed down compared to the original P4 version. In the original none of them had any weaknesses and Nice Guy would spam Heat Riser/Tarukaja on the other 2 whenever possible. Here it looks like Shadow Kanji uses status moves and his normal attack mostly (aka his least threatening moves) while Nice Guy casts only single stat buffs and actually wastes turns attacking :(
In short they nerfed the boss's attacks AND made him easier to kill. This fight looks really easy now compared to the original P4 which is kinda sad because I liked the challenge :/
TheBlackknight720 yup. When I first started playing Persona 4, I got rekt SO BAD by Shadow Kanji. Like seriously, it's one of the most annoying boss fight ever.
But seeing the P4G, it's easy af. You can literally beat it even being underleveled
Right ! When I play P4G it was easy to kill'em. I recently bough p4 on ps3, and ahah it was a really difficult fight but got it after like 20 minutes lol
TheBlackknight720 I feel you. Fighting Kanji in P4 is a real pain in the ass.
I absolutely love how even after what happened here and Kanji sorts out his inner demons, excessively homosexual Shadow Kanji is pretty much a recurring joke regardless. It gets bought up more than the other characters, and I think subsequent appearances of Shadow Kanji in the spinoffs have the same over-the-top personality even when they don't have any reason to do so.
Kanji is my favourite male P4 charactet
I think I know why Yuki-chan was mad as heck. Someone stole her sweetroll :)
In the anime, either nice guy or tough guy (I am unsure which) said that yukiko does not look good in red
"bear" naked... ... LMAO
Ripped Teddie suit.
Kanji just fucking DECKED his Shadow. Way to be as badass as ever, big guy.
wow! Golden's "very hard" is easier than ps2's "normal" version.
They nerfed tough guy and nice guy, that's why you could keep them grounded.
Yeah man, I feel it really easy in hard difficulty if you understand the game and it grind less in golden version.
Fun fact: as if this couldn’t be any more gay, his boss form is covered in roses, which while in many cultures represents romance, in Japan represents homosexuality
sauce please
He isn’t gay, he said so himself.
Bara = rose in Japanese.
Does that mean James is gay?
and then kanji got a persona!
hell yeah! :D
too bad you’ll never use him in battle!
aw man... :(
penetrated the facility
dammit kanji
99% of the comments being about gay and bisexual people. 1% actually about the boss fight Me: *is gay*
I feel you
*MEGIDOLAOOF*
@@elflordyt6830 I'M FUCKING D E A D
How to win:
Fuse Yoshiturne and Izanagi
Then give it Heat Riser and Hassou Tobi
Arnel Aristoteles uh... are you talking about new game +?
I really would not look forward to meeting my own shadow at all
its actually anime reference that the guy members inflicted with poison. while the girls inflicted by rage....you need watch the animation for that..^^
Check that, reverse it.
.................How do you poison someone by grabbing their ass...?
Diamond Falcon AIDS?
+Diamond Falcon
Poisonous touch.
Chie and yukiko were just triggered cuz both guy just moaned every time the took damage
Kanji is better being true to himself. Tough and bisexual
I like how everyone attacks Nice Guy and Tough Guy but for me all I had to do was attack Shadow Kanji and just nullify his stat bonuses. I think I was a bit too over leveled for that boss fight...it wasn't even a challenge
congrats?
Level 25 is recommended level.
If you were 5 levels above that you were way over leveled.
@@spencerbowden2979I beat him with my party at lv 15-20 and it only took me 3 tries and a bunch of medicine
I am a shadow... the TRUE self... I’m just being true to myself... and that’s why... l’ll get rid of *anyone* in my way!
i just defeated hiM! he's the reason why i took a 11 month break from the game but just came back to it today and owned him after grinding to level 24
Damn, Troy Baker knocked it out of the park for this particular performance…
weirdly relatable for a ton of guys
Shadow Kanji puts on a show of being as gay as possible, to try and be more acceptable to Kanji, because it manifested from fear of rejection. The fight isn't simply resolved by Kanji accepting that fear, he knocks some sense into his other self to make his shadow accept itself.
Troy Baker voices the most masculine, alpha male roles ever. To hear him do the opposite is quite an interesting experience
Troy Baker did a great job as Kanji Tatsumi!
5:48
The women dodged
The men fell knees to it
And the opposite applies to 8:25
**Wha**
5:50 wow. Only the guys got inflicted with poison? Really game?
HaveSomeMemes well only the girls get rage too
My favorite awakening just because of how emotional it all is
Is it me or does shadow kanji sound like mr slave?._.
I know this is a year old, but the reason why they sound familiar is because they are both playing off of gay stereotypes.
I keep forgetting which side is immune to fire and which side is immune to ice
1:51 *Take On Me plays*
Good Video!
2:15
epic joke fail Teddie. You know that your comedy needs work when not even YUKIKO is willing to laugh.
Persona gave me 10 years of therapy in a week's worth of gaming
Here I am being clapped because I'm underleveled
Wouldn't it be interesting if thier Persona's had their Shadow abilities?
(Example: Kanji with Swift Strike?)
Just asking.
~Josh~
Try devil survivor 2
Thanks. I'll see if I can find it.
~Josh~
that game is pretty cool just like persona but the graphics are 16bit its SMT though
18:35 looking for jobs in high school be like
So post battle spoils were thirty-four dollars and 400xp, yup.these guys got their work cut out for them.
Haven't played this in a while but I'm just curious: what's the tactical advantage of denying Yosuke's co-op attack near the beginning of the match?
It's better to just use the extra turn for another ice/fire attack on the Nice/Tough Guys or boost your team's stats
"Come with me~~"
P3: death death darkness darkness
P4:
I can only imagine Troy Baker having the time of his life.
The horror.......*trembles*
The horror......
What is the song that plays while shadow kanji is first talking?
18:53
That's one way to come to terms, Kanji.
He's not gay, but scared of being seen as gay for liking non-manly things. It's a common occurrence and I can relate to it. I can't act tough as him and look up to the guy for accepting who he is. A man who can accept his true nature of being a kind gentle fellow.
Tfw being gay has nothing to do with being feminine. Masculine gay men are the majority hiding in plain sight.
he’s likely gay or bisexual stop erasing lgbt characters
@@redd5505 Stop labeling everything as lgtb and respect others opinions. To my eyes is hinted that Kanji could be bi, is clear that he has a lot of interest on the girls and has a crush on Naoto but sometimes he blushes and feels confortable in certain questionable situations with the guys too.
@@LinkaDL i think ur homophobic lol
@@LinkaDL end of it is that kanji is obviously gay/bi and everyone who tries to deny it or spends ages trying to disprove it genuinely just has some weird issues with the lgbt community
this is the same as tryna say yosuke didnt have a crush on saki or that adachi is perfectly sane
BI BOY! BI BOY! YEAAAHHHH
2:53 kanji has a point
Sensei! Hurry and get rid of that poison!
2:19 good 4th wall breaking there.
Shadow kanji has a point
But this does disturb me
The enemy designs, the flexing, the swooning; it's so on the nose it almost boarders on offensive! lmfao
Hesh Hepplewhite What's funny is that it's not a sterotype. The Shadows, as the game says, are the person's true emotions cranked up to 11, so it's so over dramatic because of it.
Dang people spend way too many words to just explain the problem. It's labeling, stereotyping and lack of confidence, mah dudes. Heck, I get subject to that too when I do UNmanly things
The enemies besides Shadow Kanji look very similar to those F.O.E.'s from the fourth Labyrinth of Persona Q 1
flower kanji-kun
Kanji: *exists*
Yosuke: *homofobic shit*
My Kingdom for a--SANCTIFIED MOTHER-OF-CRUD!!
yo what level should you be for this fight? right now my group is like 17-20ish but ive heard it should be like 22? also which persona is best for it?
edit: nevermind i did it with everyone at level 21
Amazing!! Ur level!!
I just beat him at lvl 18...and it was rly hard! ;-;
But look at ur level!! Cool!! *-*
I fought him at Level 22. Yukiko was 23.
Bear-naked? Was I supposed to laugh?
*face bright red*still makes me blush...never played any of the games,cept for persona q...but
Oh shit, Shadow Kanji does the Marlon Webb run!