I get the feeling that that's a meme regarding Melkor/Morgoth both in and out of the Tolkien community, as I've seen that phrase so many times (not to say I don't like it).
I love the fact that Tolkien's villains focus on lies, division, and fostering decay within their enemies' ranks. The satanic figures make some of the most satisfying antagonists.
@hondaguy91 Get educated and realize that all politicians are on the same team. Pushing division amongst us only ensures we stay blinded in the social engineered matrix. Try to escape their cage my friend. Stop living in a closed minded existence. Bless you.
In high school, my literature teacher gave us the opportunity to present on our favorite literary passage, and I presented on Morgoth's dialogue with Hurin from The Children of Hurin. The series of lines on page 64 that goes, "but upon all whom you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of doom... they shall die without hope, cursing both life and death" is the single most chilling passage I have ever read.
Even the Valar agree, the most evil thing that Melkor ever did was the creation of the Orcs. It's a direct mockery of Illuvatar and defilement of the Elves. Same with Saruman in LOTR. As soon as he started breeding Uruk-Hai he realized he was too far gone and could not turn back to good.
@@johns1625: He did but the crossbreed wasnt Uruks. They were called half-orcs. Saruman copy pasted Sauron at everything, even to the point were he created his own ring.
Morgoths greatest evil was the way he could Influence the pure of heart into evil deeds, with whispers, lies and sewing hatred/confusion. Children of Hurins Turin’s discovery about his pregnant wife still hits hard.
True. He even corrupted other Maiar, such as Sauron and the Balrogs. It was like he wanted to corrupt others, even those that willingly followed him, simply to spite Eru and the other Valar.
@@os8856 True. Despite being the second greatest being in all of existence, Morgoth was nothing more but a envious, spiteful and spoiled manchild. All the power and knowledge that Eru gave him was wasted due to this.
@@lisboah You're wrong. Melkor was by far the most similar being to Eru himself. Melkor wanted to create new things, he even went to look for the flame imperishable but he never found it. His corruption and destruction was a consequence of his limitations, due to him never being able to create anything original himself. I think it's strongly alluded to that Eru himself knowingly designed Melkor this way since Eru makes perfectly clear in the very beginning that evedything in creation stems directly from himself. In a way Melkor is a tragic character fighting against a god that controls everything (Eru), who knowingly created him with the role of the one that starts the creation of new things (which the rest of the valar were meant to improve afterwards, this is directly stated by Tolkien afaik) and yet Eru never give Melkor the ability to actually create anything new, that is, original.
My favorite interpretation of the orc's origins are that they were elves corrupted by black magic, a mirror of Melkor and thus Morgoth's fall from grace
Except that Morgoth's corruption was his own doing. The orcs, trolls, dragons and wolves were created by Morgoth to be evil. Sauron, the Balrogs and other Maiar were once good, but Morgoth used lies and corruption to bound them to evil.
What I was always wondering if there was any ainur way to cure the orcs.I don't think they are completely lost. Perhaps even iluvatar himself could turn them back to elves
Meh. This was a synopsis. There was zero analysis given. I watched the whole thing and although I felt the summary was well done I was disappointed I did not get anything new in terms of what you'd expect from an analysis.
@@michaels7325 kinda pointless to analyse Morgoth as he is relatively one-sided. He is simply the very definition of evil and there is little else to him.
@@michaels7325 that’s because Morgoth isn’t a character who is super complex with some evil traits, he is evil incarnate, there is literally no redeeming qualities you can find in an entity who understands nothing but and is the source of all evil in the universe and beyond it. He is incapable of understanding anything even remotely considered “good”
I love Whenever Morgoth/Melkor gets shouted out. I love when there are Big Bad villains that everyone knows and then its like "you think he's bad you should see his Master" and Morgoth BUSTED. Cant wait to watch this!
He and Sauron are Tolkien's conception of what evil might look like if given form. They are different forms of evil. In this sense they are both ultimate villains, although Morgoth is of course much more powerful - at first, anyway.
I always love tragic villains, but I always like full-blown villains who are pure evil. Because a tragic villain will have limitations and lines, while villains like Morgoth really don’t care about anything, they just want to destroy everything in sight, and it makes the villain more terrifying
its interesting seeing the difference between sauron, lucifer, and melkor. So different and similar but in the end powerful beings cursed with titanic baby like jelousy and evil. I like Orome, Manwe, Mithrander and Galadrial and luthien.GLorfindle etc
It’s interesting that Melkor/Morgoth is both a tragic villain and a pure evil villain. His backstory being a fall from grace makes it a tragedy that such a beautiful being fell to such a depraved state. However, it is when Melkor becomes Morgoth that he can be considered pure evil.
@@blueblaze5160 What is more tragic is that he was set up to fall from the very beginning: being burdened with belief that only he is fit to rule, which he inherited from his creator (and no one else did), he was pretty much like a maniac serial killer born with a broken brain, he had no other option.
Ironically i think Morgoth it the most tragic villain of all, he is the epitome of nihilism, what is left when you acquire consciousness that you have no free will? That your destiny is tied, from begining to end, to a fate someone else made to you? Morgoth is seeing the fourth wall, watching his existance as nothing but a story written by Eru Illuvatar, and him and all of the Arda are just a complete story he has to play, its basically madness, i guess thats why he doesnt care if he is defeates, if hes ruining the story for everyone else, SPECIALLY for Eru Illuvatar, he is winning cause its his choice, his way to break the fate at least
Lmao. First 10 minutes I am listening to the narration and I have in my imagination this beautiful, divinely created orchestra with each player the best possible virtuoso of their chosen instrument. The highs and the lows and the harmony the greatest in mathematical and sonic perfection. Then off in the far back corner you hear Morgoth banging away randomly with a cowbell.
The first thing that came to mind when I read that passage in the Silm was everyone else singing along to classical melodies and Morgoth playing a meme metal song like that: "pepporoni and green pepper mushrooms olives" song, i'm sure many people know which song it is lol.
The fact that morgoth has never appeared visually, and is only described from an outside perspective, and you're still able to make over an hour long analysis of his character, I think, is a testament to Tolkiens writing
Well, he was given a part of all the gifts of the other Valar, so it makes sense that he would have some power of corruption over any part of that nature.
I'm not much of a Tolkenite, but I'll gladly listen to The Vile Eye talk for an hour and a half. I'm constantly impressed with the amount of work you put into these videos. Keep up the good work, Mr. Eye!
Highly recommend reading ‘The Silmarillion’. Morgoth was a nihilist of high degree. Everything that the Valar built, he would destroy it. Basically how a kid will kick your son’s sand castle after working so hard. He was Satan of Middle-Earth
Tolkien set out to write a kind of Greek mythology for Great Britain. When you see how complex the entirety of the story is I think we can agree that he succeeded. It has to be the greatest fantasy universe ever written
There are few villains that evoke such a wave of pure awe in terms of their scale as Morgoth. Even other well known big-bads like The Emperor from star wars, there is something to the gravity of Tolkien's writing and his ability to concoct a story which READS like an ancient text that embodies Morgoth with an almost unattainable level of reverence. Very pleased to find this video today
I agree. I always held Morgoth on a similar level of H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos gods. They are all so mysterious, massive, and almost difficult to comprehend. They operate on a level so high above even immortals that its impossible not to feel a terrifying awe from them.
@@01What10 More than that. Ea (existence) contains Arda (the world). Eru is the god Ea, but exists outside of Ea. Tolkien described his writing process as subcreation. Think of Eru as a writer who does many things comepletely outside and unrelated to the fictional universe. Because Melkor shared in every aspect of Eru's thought, imo Melkor is the only one to sort of grasp this and that is why he desired to create.
@@01What10Yes, Tolkien mixed monotheism and polytheism when crafting middle-earth. Ea and the Aunir are similar to Christian's holy trinity, but split more ways, although they are Independant of him in much the same way as Greek or Norse mythology with deities such as Athena, Thor ect.
Darth Sidious has been officially dethroned as the most evil villain covered in this channel. While Sidious is a being without redeeming qualities, Melkor basically invented all depravities in Tolkien’s Legendarium. He is no mere Dark Lord like Palpatine or Voldemort; Morgoth is the sentient force of evil itself. Edit: Can't wait for Sauron getting his own well-deserved episodie now.
The only other sheer force of evil that I personally think could match up to Morgoth is Darkseid from DC comics. In many ways they are the same archetype.
You must have pored over every page of the Silmarillion and then spent dozens of hours selecting paragraphs and writing transitions between details. What a fantastic script, and then all the effort to edit that with the maps and artwork.... This is by far your best video yet. There are plenty of demanding requests in the comments, but don't let the pressure get to you. Judging by the quality of this video, I could never be disappointed, no matter who you pick next nor how long it takes for you to produce the video. Fantastically well done.
What's even more scary is the fact that he's not even destroyed but actually locked away in a void prison. And I think if I'm correct there's even a part of Tolkiens Legendarium that prophecizes Morgoth's return to the world of Men for one final battle which is essentially the Armageddon of Middle Earth. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@rickplayzyt6277 You're correct good sir. I believe J R R Tolkien abandoned the idea. If I remember correctly, there is mention of a final battle in the Silmarillion. Dagor-Dagorath just sounds cool af haha
The only way to destroy Morgoth is to totally annihilate every piece of the solar system. But the Valar can't do it without killing the children of illuvatar so Morgoth survives.
"There he was bound by the power of Morgoth, and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again; and he said: 'Sit now there; and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom thou lovest. Thou hast dared to mock me, and to question the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes thou shalt see, and with my ears thou shalt hear; and never shalt thou move from this place until all is fulfilled unto its bitter end" - Pg 213 The Silmarillion Utterly chilling... What Evil festers in this beings dark heart.
I think it’s hilarious how the most civilized and beautiful beings that could literally kill you with beauty and song just fucking jumped Morgoth and just kicked the shit out of him
Kinda shows how the ideas Morgoth had that set him on the dark path spread like wildfire and took root in all the others, though they may deny it, they are forever tainted by it :P "True evil can never be destroyed." -- Voodoo Lady, Curse of Monkey Island
They didn’t just kick the shit out of him. It took ALL of the with their most powerful champion, Tulkas, to just “kick the shit out of him”. Don’t get it twisted. Melkor could only be beaten by ALL of the Valar.
I think Melkor is fundamentally a manifestation of Eru's desire to create things, it makes sense that the first being eru made would be derived from that part of his mind. But without the wisdom and understanding that instilled the desire to see those things grow and change. That's why Eru applauded the strength and knowledge of Melkor after the song, and wove a harmony from the war of sound whilst Melkor simply forced other ainur to sing his tune in the song and throughout his time in arda, obsessing over controlling the work of others until he could no longer make things that were of himself only mockeries of others.
Wow, I've never thought of that, it makes a lot of sense. Being designed with only the will to create things of your own essence and not being able to is sure a one way ticket to insanity.
I don’t think so. Aule created the dwarves, and all the others had the will of creation in them as well, for they created the whole of Arda. The parts of Eru that beheld Melkor are things like Might, Will, and Command, in my opinion.
@@awillingham Technically all the Ainur created things, not just Aule or Melkor. Aule created the Dwarves, true, but the Dwarves were master craftsmen not creators. It's a fine distinction but think about it like the difference between an engineer and say an architect. An engineer invents something, aka the creation process, whereas the architect uses that invention to bring it to life, aka the construction process. Basically the Ainur created materials like Mithril which the Dwarves than used to great effect to construct superb weapons and armors among many other things.
I like how Sauron’s greatest deception was convincing the Elves to forge the Rings of Power, the tools that were meant to facilitate their own subjugation, then Morgoth’s greatest deception was the equivalent of saying “I’m sowwy! I pwomise not to be bad anymowe! *WINK* ”
The entirety of the planet, actually. There's a whole volume in History of Middle Earth called "Morgoth's ring" which explains this (and i think explains all of Melkor's toughts whenever he does, basically anything ig). Essentially he put part of his spirit into the planet itself, which is why evil will never truly fade away, and which is why he gets defated by the Valar during the Battle of the Powers.
And just to arrest him again, the Valar had to shatter Beleriand. Like Sauron, Morgoth can no longer be totally destroyed unless that into which he has poured his wicked soul suffers the same fate.
@@Jesse-xg8rk And neither then was all the soul-pouring truly undone, Morgoth poured his soul into Arda itself, the whole planet. In fact he actually (fr this time) dies at the end of the Dagor Dagorath, Battle of All Battles and Tolkien's equivalent of the Apocalypse. During said battle Arda is completely destroyed to then be remade, this time with no Melkor and his burning will to make a Discord server.
@@durshurrikun150 What makes you consider it as non-canon? It's a written work of Tolkien, only that Christopher didn't include it in the Silmarillion or other books, an argument could indeed be made that therefore it isn't canon, so perhaps you're right. But canonicity is strangely subjective when it comes to works published postume of the author, so I believe it is up to interpretation. The Dagor Dagorath being canon or not doesn't really make a big deal to me personally, tho.
Great choice of villain! Please do more Tolkien. His villains are far more grey than most people realize. Feanor would make an excellent candidate for a video like this as well.
I would day Feanor would have been better than Melkor. Melkor is too inhumane to be a villain, and in many ways it is outside the normal analysis of this channel
I think like the nameless creatures in the depts of the Misty Mountains and the Watchers Pool Ungoliant was created through Melkor discord in the great music.
My heart goes out to all of the people who have drawn such beautiful pieces of fanart as seen in this video. I could never ever draw something so beautiful as anything here, and highly respect the amount of time it would take to draw something as simple as a made up character from some book.
I find it hilarious how the grey elves just get repeatedly destroyed in this lore. It seems like every other event is just “and they massacred the grey elves” like bro can’t catch a break
The audacity of Morgoth suing for peace and pardon after all that took place, he wanted to be like Eru and saw himself above all Eru's creations yet fled from, begged mercy of and was repeatedly defeated by Eru's creations.
Its interesting how far Morgoth's ego and pride actually fell here, he's pleading for peace and pardon, after everything he's done. He led his army of orcs, dragons, werewolves, vampires, Balrogs to fight against the might of the Valar, the Elves, and Men in the War of Wrath, of whom are Eru's personal creations and kindred in that manner. In a way Morgoth really was fighting Eru's will and all of his creations came together against Morgoth's might and brought him low. Frankly, its one of my favorite moments ever.
What I wouldn’t give to see a well executed version of Ancalagon the Black during the final campaign against Morgoth. Meant to be his mightiest weapon, Ancalagon was the largest, greatest and most powerful of the dragons. It took a valoncar wielding the force of several stars to kill this serpent and his mere crashing to the ground shattered an entire mountain range
I'd absolutely love to see that dramatised, would be a sight to see. I'd also love to see Fingolfin's duel with Morgoth, that would be absolutely epic and equally tragic.
"As there is no need to alter details and descriptions that are conveyed perfecty within the Source Material." If only someone had told the RoP Writers . . .
@@wildfire9280 that's the part that worries me. There are so much blank spots to fill in, but judging from the Trailers, there will also be rewriting of established characters like galadriel. I still think they should have written a story centered around far harad.
@@vladtheinhaler9744 Galadriel’s interesting due to how Tolkien also seemingly tried rewriting her, I’m interested in where they’ll take that so long as it’s not dull.
Actually Tolkien had these storjes down long before LoTR. However the publishers wanted another Adventure Story, not a Bible. So instead of writing the Silmarilion he wrote LoTR. Morgoth was always apart of the Legendarium.
It’s interesting how in terms of the Tolkien legendarium, humans are kind of the balance between the extremes of good and evil, with the orcs being the extreme of evil and the elves being the extreme of good. Not universally of course but as a foundation and the fact that they can sway either way made them easy for Morgoth to corrupt to a certain extent.
Well, by most accounts Orcs are corrupted Elves, so they're kind of the same species. It's true though that Men in Tolkien's world, much like mankind, possesses free will and is therefore inherently neutral rather than inherently good or evil. It's our choices that dictate whether we lean more towards being good or being evil rather than anything we were born with.
@@jamessalvatore7054 Is it really that bad? I haven't watched Rings Of Power but people are acting like it's the worst series ever created. Is it truly that awful?
@@anatoldenevers237For fun, as a writing exercise, I wrote a critique focusing only on the lore inconsistencies of the very first episode. It was over 1000 words
@@morbidone88 Yeah in fact i think Melkor probably still called him Mairon, and possibly all the Valar and Maiar (exept the Ishtar) still call him that. For all I know it was the people of Middle Earth that knew him as both Sauron and Gourthag but used Sauron more. Also, "Mairon" means "the admirable" so it makes damn sense no good Middle Earth guy calls him that anymore lol.
I think the most interesting aspect of Melkor/Morgoth is how incremental his fall from grace actually is. I would wager that it is a reference to Milton that he initially seems very much like Lucifer in Paradise Lost at the beginning of existence, simply excited/impatient for creation to begin and so he-unlike any other-seeks the flame imperishable. He goes from something of a free thinker to squandering his gifts and becoming the root of all evil.
As a Christian I immediately saw the parallels between Melkor and Lucifer, and how rebellion against their respective Gods led to war, a fall from grace, a dive into darkness, and funnily enough a name change.
Yet Lucifer never showed impatience but rather believed that he alone knew better than the God that made him. Such a tragic fall, too. Small wonder he was known as Morningstar and grossly ironic.
Melkor is ironically Tolkien's main protagonist in a roundabout way. The professor never wrote with any semblance of a coherent timeline, that was his son's work. But the Dark Lord is the one constant in all Tolkien's works. Moving the plot along more than Beren and Lùthien, more than Ëarendil, Morgoth is one of the very first villain protagonists in all of fiction.
I'm relatively sure he's one of the most mentioned characters (counting both the times when he gets reffered to as Melkor and as Morgoth) in the entire book lol.
I wouldn't say his being the most active characte ris enough to make him the protagonist, that would make Grendel and the Dragon the protagonists of Beowolf since it was their actions that drew forth Beowulf to fight them.
@@seekingabsolution1907 Villains can be as active of characters as the protsgonists, which makes sense seeing that with no villain there's no story lol
@@seekingabsolution1907 I'd agree with you, but Morgoth's actions drive the plot for every character across the First Age. Most of whom never meet. He's the only thing tying them all together, directly or indirectly.
Hooooo myyyyyyyyy, one of the greatest villains in literature and also a very underrated one that deserve at adaptation, the silmarillon was a very fascinating book to read and one of the reason was the role the melkor have in the story. Thank you vile eye for this video 👍
God damn, I'd hate to be the guy that had to adapt the silmarillion into a motion picture.. LOL Probably why it hasn't been done, there soo much to try to bring to life
@@morbidone88 I would adapt it into a series of different events scattered throughout the ages he was most prominent in. Kind of like how Tartakovsky made the clone wars volumes but do it for The Silmarillion. You could have an episode dedicated around Beren & Luthien, an episode or two depicting Ungliant devouring the trees of Valinor and how her offspring eventually spawned Shelob that also includes her betrayel of Morgorh. Another would be having the Battle of Unnumbered Tears being preceded by a narration & imagery of how things got to that point then just having an all put battle & the creation of Dragons. This would also be animated because there's no way live action could do it justice. I mean come on Balrogs riding dragons into battle in live action would be a logistical nightmare to pull off but not so much in animation.
@@kenjikune2565 that sounds awesome, but the problem is still the sheer amount of detail. These episodes would have to be 2 hours each, lol! Maybe an hour if you're reallllyyy trying to condense his work. But ya, as far as adaptation to a series goes, Amazon is proving that few can be trusted with Tolkiens work my man.. they finally admitted at comic con that this is their story and they are telling it their way bc no one told them they couldn't.. lol
‘No need to alter details and descriptions that are described perfectly in the source text’, if only those that made the Amazon show had a similar thought process
Vile Eye: “We’re analyzing all the evil of *Morgoth* Me: Pauses video {grabs snacks, a thermos of coffee, shuts ringer off, grabs pillows and gets comfortable) “Here we go”…{Presses Play}
Not gonna lie, I'm watching this while grinding in Elden Ring. Since I'm not 100% focused on it, it does start to sound like a lot of gibberish and made up words, lol.
Another Satan architype, he is based of a Eastern European Tail about a Man who made a deal with the devil that he should be immortal unless he sets foot in Rome but when he was trying to run away from the Devil when the "rent was due" it turns out the inn he was hiding on is named Rome so the devil took his soul.
If we are delving into fantasy I’d love to hear your analysis on a villain from Warhammer 40,000. Horus Lupercal seems the most likely candidate, as the chaos gods are beyond understanding, the tyranids and orks aren’t evil from a point of view, that leaves only Chaos’ human followers, and the Dark Eldar. While Vect certainly has done enough evil to make other villains shed a tear, I think Horus makes for a more interesting study. Hell from perspectives one could equally call The Emperor as he is currently a villain as well.
@@kiryukazuma8089 well he sees human civilization like human view an ant farm. Even his own "sons" were nothing more than tools to wins wars with. Hes beyond being a hero of a villan though, since hes basically a god with both good intentions and fatal flaws
For those who like hearing about Morgoth I really recommend The Red Book. The best Tolkien channel, especially when it comes to understanding evil figures in Middle-earth!!
The reason Eru didn’t simply kill Melkor as soon as Melkor started causing havoc is probably something like the answer in “Time Bandits” to why evil is allowed to exist: that if it weren’t allowed to exist, beings wouldn’t have free will. Eru didn’t want to go back on his goal of letting his creations do as they please.
In the simarillion eru says the melkor is nothing without him and that he should look upon what damage he has caused by sowing the discord into the song. He allows him to live because he is so insignificant to eru that hes willing to wait to just remake the world in a few thousand years to prove a point that what melkor did was completley meaningless as all will eventually return to eru.
Dwarves originally didn’t have souls and thus lacked free will. Once Eru decided not to destroy them he was like “yeah gotta give you free will though”
@@CheeseCrumbs00 Maybe, but ask yourself: What has Morgoth/Melkor with his new "freedom"? Did He invent a new world or did He just copy and corrupted what was already created? Did He try create to living beings with free will rather than make or/and esnlave monstruos creatures? Did He try to educate any Maiar what followed or did He enslave them to his will and armies afgter they fell willingly? Eru told Morgoth he was nothing without Him, because Morgoth trully have NEVER done anything in His existence what wasn't either trying to spite or get the attention of Eru. Morgoth has expent his enitre existence corrupting or killing the creations of Eru but never once try to make anything Original. Nor did He try to put in practice any of what He preached; as soon the Maiar what followed fell, Morgoth bend them to his will and enslkaved into his army, and latter did the same with the Orcs, Trolls, Dragons anmd everyone else.
@@alphalegionary7672 I respetfully disagree with you there. If We go by it's defenition, Evil is simply the "Absence of Good". So buy defenition Good can exist and both Destroy and Create. While Evil can only Destroy. It's incapable of creating things, it can only take what is already create it and try to distort it.
If there is an analyzing evil for book villains, there NEEDS to be a video made for judge Holden from blood meridian, probably the best and scariest book villain
@Thisis Gettinboring have you read any apocryphal books or the Bible? It’s all there on Lucifer It’s not certain to be divinely inspired but all that Tolkien used for Morgoth is all there
@@lordschnitzel7961 slightly off topic but not really lol if you wanna see an extremely interesting perspective on Lucifer Anne Rice did a fuckin awesome job in Memnoch The Devil.. never read anything like it I recommend that damn book to everyone 😂
The Vile Eye: Morgoth is a tricky character to analyse. *Proceeds to make an hour and twenty minutes video analysing the First Dark Lord. Haha in all seriousness absolutely brilliant video, I'm a massive fan of the Legendarium, and you did the world, language and Tolkien Justice.
I hope I can add something useful to this video with the knowledge I possess. Beginning with the music of the ainur, the ainur wove fabrics that created not just the world, but its events and inhabitants as well. I believe that everything that later came to pass in Arda already happened in the themes at the timeless halls. The Valar, when come down to Arda, were frightened because it didn't look like what they thought it would. At that point, only Illuvatar could understand time linearly, and the Valar took time to understand that much of their creations would arrive in ages to come. Morgoth fled the timeless halls in shame at his inability to understand the themes of Illuvatar. He already couldn't understand the music, and he emerged into a world that was empty, barren of any of his or his siblings' creations. The terror and confusion this caused Morgoth cannot be overstated. Time and time again, Morgoth becomes terrified at what he cannot understand, such as men and the sun. His lack of knowledge underlies everything. Illuvatar tells him that no matter what, he will be undone in time. I should also add that Ungoliant is most likely a spawn of Morgoth when he sang a melody that was discordant with Eru's. Illuvatar did not create unstable things, but Morgoth did: Ungoliant ate herself and his own lair was built on unstable ground. Aule is an interesting counterpart, because he created Dwarves without the permission of Illuvatar. Illuvatar spoke to him and told him he was to do no such thing, and Aule responded by saying his creation of the Dwarves was not out of spite, but out of eagerness for the arrival of Elves and men, a poor mimicry of his father's work. Illuvatar allowed the dwarves to exist, but only after the children awoke. Yavanna found out that the children of illuvatar would cut down the trees she so loved and use the Earth, and she didn't comprehend that this too was part of the plan of Illuvatar, but with the creation of the Ents she found compromise. Morgoth, when faced with a limitation, either believed it not to exist or raged against it. Feanor says that he could only make the Silmarils once as he put so much of his power into them. Morgoth didn't understand that the more he tried to shape Arda once he was already there, the weaker he became. Later in the first age, he was in constant agony and could no longer assume any form but that of the dark lord. In a conversation with Hurin, it is interesting to note that Morgoth only refers to himself as Melkor and tries to break Hurin. Once he realizes Hurin will not break, he binds Hurin to a place where Hurin would see everything Morgoth saw, hear everything he heard, but he would have to see it all through Morgoth's twisted eyes and ears. It was Hurin more than anyone who understood Morgoth best, as he shared his senses with him. Lastly and like all the Valar, he was unable to comprehend the power of the children of Illuvatar. Luthien goes to the halls of Mandos and sings a song so beautiful and so full of sorrow that she bent the Valar to her will, allowing Beren to come back from the dead. When elves die, they travel to the halls of Mandos and await their kin or reincarnation, but men are not bound to Arda in the same way. Their dying was initially referred to as "the gift of Illuvatar" because it allowed them to transcend the binds of the world, going to a place even the Valar could not understand. Morgoth believed simple emptiness awaited them, and he was the one who first put the fear of death into the hearts of men. But it should be noted, Tolkien once stated he did not believe in absolute evil, but he did believe in absolute good. One of the most torturous experiences in Beleriand belonged to Beren, who followed his father into battle and defeat, lived with him and his companions in the woods for years. It was a miserable existence and due to Sauron's villainy, they were betrayed and set upon. Beren, the only survivor, ran and somehow made it into the Girdle of Melian without the knowledge of Thingol (it is likely that Melian knew of his coming). There he saw Luthien dancing in the forest, and for that time, all ill-feeling, all the misery he had ever felt, all the mental turmoil, it all vanished and he was frozen the way Thingol was when he happened upon Melian. Once regaining control of himself, the only word that came to his mind after all the misery, was "tinuviel", nightingale, the birds Melian taught to sing.
That would be a great survey/contest for this channel: the most evil character of all fiction. I think it's a 4-way tie between Morgoth (Tolkien) Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) Ingsoc (1984) and AM (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream)
Analyzing Evil: Bane from The Dark Knight Rises Analyzing Evil: Shredder from TMNT 2012 Analyzing Evil: Baldur from God of War 2018 Analyzing Evil: Hama from Avatar: The Last Airbender Analyzing Evil: The Salamanca Family from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul Analyzing Evil: Dracula from Castlevania
"If a man dedicates his life to good deeds and the welfare of others, he will die unthanked and unremembered. If he exercises his genius bringing misery and death to billions, his name will echo down through the millennia for a hundred lifetimes. Infamy is always more preferable to ignominy." - Fabius Bile, The Clone Lord at the Desecration of Kanzuz IX Warhammer 40k
The difference being that good deeds are built upon by your successors, whereas evil deeds are undone and erased. They are remembered yes, but irrelevant. Good deeds live on and are a blessing to the future, so to speak. It takes an inferior being of small mind and wisdom to prefer infamy over constructive effort and creation.
@@Divinemakyr Well since he can create clones. I guess having good deeds be built upon by the next generation has become irrelevant, as a man like Fabius Bile does not desire to bring inspiration to others, but to immortalize his arts of evil, and be as dangerous as the Chaos Gods. If one transcends their frail mortal form, they are no longer held back by any physical limitations, so why would ethical limitations be any different?
Love it, as always!! Melkor is one of the greatest villain ever made. I would love to see an analysis on Cartman, the second… no let’s face it, THE greatest evil of all time and media.
You did a great job. I admire the fact that you understood the fact that Tolkien's words were better than anything you could come up with. I wish more people who are working with Tolkien's works realized this.
I was just scrolling and the thumbnail right above this one was "Make your own kind of music" by Cass Elliot and I was like " That's what this guy did". 😄
Why? There was zero "analysis" offered. It was just a synopsis. I mean the summary was okay but if you were looking for evil being analyzed through morgath you will have wasted your time.
Obviously I know that he has an ad break in his video to monetize his work somehow, but hearing the guy who tells me all of the evilest most vile things about these fictional characters also telling me that he loves a good bloody Mary from his decanter and he’s been looking for something to replace his addiction to coffee beans is quite humorous
I'm surprised you did Morgoth before Sauron(unless you already did, then nevermind), but I suppose it's appropriate since Morgoth was Sauron's predecessor.
And his superior. Sauron was said to be one of the most powerful of the maiar/lesser ainu, morgoth was confirmed to be the most powerful of all the ainu and second only to eru himself
Great expose on the events of the first age. Everything taken from Tolkien's writings with little extrapolation, which is appreciable. I noticed a few contradictory references though: -When referencing the Feanor and company's self-exile, it's said they traveled to Arda. Arda is the name for the Earth in its entirety (they were already in Arda, everyone was), they'd have travelled to Beleriand where the War of the Jewels of the 1st age takes place. Middle Earth is the region East of Beleriand past the Blue Mountains where the events of the 2nd and 3rd ages primarily take place. -Fingolfin is described as the son of Finarfin. Fingolfin and Finarfin are full brothers, both of whom are Feanor's half brothers by their father, Finwe (murder victim of Morgoth). -Cirdan was not assaulted at the Grey Havens by Morgoth's forces following the Nirnaeth. They were assailed at Eglarest on the West coast of Beleriand and forced to resettle at Arvernien to the South East. Cirdan did in truth establish the The Grey Havens at Lindon, but they were not built until after the War of Wrath; on the West coast of Middle Earth, which would effectively be the Eastern edge of Beleriand, prior to its destruction. This was great though. The epilogue sums up Morgoth's nature as the inventor of pain, suffering, deceit, misery etc. very well. Nice job...
@@Jamal1b1993 To be honest with you I have never watched any of The Lord of The Rings Movies. I tried to once, was late at night & instantly fell asleep.
@@futurewario9591 Yeah, understood. The Third Age is most popular, but the ages before are more intriguing to me which is why I enjoyed this particular content.
Thankyou!Thankyou!Thankyou! I never expected you to give an analysis to Melkor/Morgoth, THE ORIGINAL DARK LORD, this soon! Edit: 12:04 - Actually Sauron's true name was Mairon, which meant "The Admirable". Gorthaur was the name that the Sindar gave to him while he served Morgoth, which meant "Dread Abomination".
Melkor or Morgoth is one of the or best of Evils in different universes. Studied Tolkien for years and one thing that interested me was how mysterious Morgoth is. Pretty sure he had used his power to twist the Nameless things. Anyway cool to see this video.
The more that time passes the more that I appreciate Tolkien's work. I used to think that George R.R. Martin was the better of the two writers because his characters were all morally gray and because of that his world felt more realistic when compared to Tolkien's. But as time passed and I reread both works I'm now firmly on Tolkien's side.
Martin tried to capture the epochal scale of Tolkien's works (Like how Westeros' major houses remained intact for millennia despite extremely tumultuous history) without giving the same level of thought of cause and effect that Tolkien did. Tolkien did not add in any writing that doesn't serve a relatively solid purpose. And knowing Martin's schedule we'll get a "The Winds of Winter and other unfinished tales, compiled by Brandon Sanderson".
Morgoth's greatest failure was his refusal to humble himself and accepting that he was not the top being. While certainly guilty of all the classical sins, pride was the one chiefly ruling him. The mere thought of him not being greatest ruled him absolutely and much like a petulant child when told "no" he came to just destroy what he was envious of. In this, Morgoth is much lesser than Sauron ever was. Sauron at least wished to rule for the purpose of ordering things as he saw fit, to keep Millde-Earth in a sort of stasis because he feared it would become more and more mundane, the magic leaving the world (thus sealing it into Rings). Morgoth simply wanted to destroy because he was not the most powerful, all his actions a big tamper tantrum.
This is the guy that Satan wishes he could be, he is arguably one of the most powerful villains in fiction and probably the most powerful stand in for the Devil ever. He was able to effortlessly dominate the other Valar in his prime before investing any of his strength in marring the world and creating the concept of evil, it was only because of his spent strength that Tulkas could beat him, or anyone else later on, had he not relinquished any of his essence, he’d have ruled the universe without the intervention of Eru, lucky he spent his strength. It would be very hard for them to bring him to live action, he’d have to have an even more demonic or satanic influence in his design and portrayal to seperate him from Sauron.
There no filler in this content at all it’s amazing you have surpassed yourself. Genuine top quality stuff. I am jealous of your script writing and your narration
I don't think they could ever properly depict the pure power and majesty of Morgoth's wrath. He's just too larger than life to be ever depicted properly in live action.
Melkor got cabin fever due to Eru's restrictive boundaries of Arda. In essence, he sensed a greater universe outside of Arda. Thus, he sought the Flame Imperishable.
Imagine this, the songs we hear in every battle and what not during the movies, are the songs of the ainur watching over and shaping the events happening against Melkor and Sauron 🤯
I think Morgoth/Melkor is the embodiment of "If man was created in God's image, then god can be evil, therefore he isn't perfect" The fact that Melkor is a manifestation of one of Eru's facet, may hint at this, as he feels and has felt superior ever since he began his existence, he desires to create and control But unlike Tolkien's god, he lacks the other facets, the courage, the drive, maybe even the creativity, as he is an all corrupting force Of course, I don't know if that was Tolkien's intent, but it's interesting nonetheless
Imagine an empty blot on the face of the Mona Lisa caused by paint thinner left by a disrespectful tourist, is that empty space a part of Leonardo Davinci's work? No. Man and Melkor, made in the image of God/Eru we're not inherently evil, but chose to misuse their free will and commit evil, blotting out good in favor of ego and pride. Less Eru/God more of themselves. I think that Melkor's nature would have had him be the leader of the Valar had he obeyed Eru's will, but Eru wished to make him humble first. Melkor could have chosen to learn, but instead chose his pride and ego, willing to rule over ash than play second fiddle in paradise.
I think he had a facet of Eru but lacked the other aspects in order to be balanced. He desired to create and desired to be cherished by his creations but to a childish degree. Eru had the wisdom to give free will to his creations even Morgoth but Morgoth wanted to absolutely dominate and corrupt. I think it stems from his lack of other Eru’s traits to see what he was doing was literally evil.
Since we're on the topic of Lord of the Rings and Magic, here are a few suggestions for your next analysis: 1. Sauron (of course!) 2. Saruman 3. Emperor Belos/Phillip Whittibane from the Owl House.
Yoooooooo!!! I never would’ve thought Mr. Vile would do a deep dive analysis of Melkor/Morgoth aka the OG 1st Dark Lord of Tolkien’s Legendarium, very nice that you too are also in Tolkien’s Legendarium World 😁👍👌
No matter how goth you think you are Melkor is Morgoth.
I get the feeling that that's a meme regarding Melkor/Morgoth both in and out of the Tolkien community, as I've seen that phrase so many times (not to say I don't like it).
There are few puns in Middle-Earth. Well done
You sir win the internet for today
I came to the comments to say this. 😂
My friend, I applaud you
I love the fact that Tolkien's villains focus on lies, division, and fostering decay within their enemies' ranks. The satanic figures make some of the most satisfying antagonists.
Yep.
Agreed
Yeah, the silmarilion is basically the bible on cocaine so
@@g.c.4824 Ah, his villains are Republicans. 🤣
@hondaguy91 Get educated and realize that all politicians are on the same team. Pushing division amongst us only ensures we stay blinded in the social engineered matrix. Try to escape their cage my friend. Stop living in a closed minded existence. Bless you.
In high school, my literature teacher gave us the opportunity to present on our favorite literary passage, and I presented on Morgoth's dialogue with Hurin from The Children of Hurin. The series of lines on page 64 that goes, "but upon all whom you love my thought shall weigh as a cloud of doom... they shall die without hope, cursing both life and death" is the single most chilling passage I have ever read.
"And Morgoth came..."
Answering Fingolfin's challenge to single combat at the gates of Angband
What grade did you get?
@@LOTR22090able I got an A on the assignment and won my high schools English Department Award at graduation.
Still gives me goosebumps
That’s a good one!
*”Beyond the circles of the world, there is nothing.”*
- Morgoth
@pyropulse Which I think is kind of the point of the scene with Morgoth and Hurin.
But Earth is a flat square...
@@ProjectRedfoot Middle Earth was a disk at the time.
@@ProjectRedfoot no it’s a triangle
@@someguy4405 just like the Earth is right?
Even the Valar agree, the most evil thing that Melkor ever did was the creation of the Orcs. It's a direct mockery of Illuvatar and defilement of the Elves. Same with Saruman in LOTR. As soon as he started breeding Uruk-Hai he realized he was too far gone and could not turn back to good.
Except it wasnt Saruman who bred Uruks. Sauron did
Except you're both right. Sauron did it first but Saruman did indeed breed his own "homebrew" Uruk-hai as well.
@@david9243 They both did
@@johns1625: He did but the crossbreed wasnt Uruks. They were called half-orcs.
Saruman copy pasted Sauron at everything, even to the point were he created his own ring.
@@david9243 no, bree men and dunlendings are descendants of low men, they arent orcs at all.
The second I saw Morgoth's name I knew this was going to be a long video.
Gonna take me days to finish. But I will finish it.
Who’s Morgoth?
The biggest bad in Lord of the Rings. The heavy weight champion of entitlement. The one ton cringe lord. He's basically the devil of Lotr.
literally lol
@@DontDefuse “Who’s Morgoth?” Really? You have the internet, all you had to do was type the name in
Morgoths greatest evil was the way he could Influence the pure of heart into evil deeds, with whispers, lies and sewing hatred/confusion. Children of Hurins Turin’s discovery about his pregnant wife still hits hard.
True. He even corrupted other Maiar, such as Sauron and the Balrogs. It was like he wanted to corrupt others, even those that willingly followed him, simply to spite Eru and the other Valar.
@@lisboah that cynical, nefarious hatred is particularly more potent, than say just wanting to kill and destroy.
@@os8856 True. Despite being the second greatest being in all of existence, Morgoth was nothing more but a envious, spiteful and spoiled manchild. All the power and knowledge that Eru gave him was wasted due to this.
Indeed.
@@lisboah You're wrong. Melkor was by far the most similar being to Eru himself. Melkor wanted to create new things, he even went to look for the flame imperishable but he never found it. His corruption and destruction was a consequence of his limitations, due to him never being able to create anything original himself.
I think it's strongly alluded to that Eru himself knowingly designed Melkor this way since Eru makes perfectly clear in the very beginning that evedything in creation stems directly from himself.
In a way Melkor is a tragic character fighting against a god that controls everything (Eru), who knowingly created him with the role of the one that starts the creation of new things (which the rest of the valar were meant to improve afterwards, this is directly stated by Tolkien afaik) and yet Eru never give Melkor the ability to actually create anything new, that is, original.
My favorite interpretation of the orc's origins are that they were elves corrupted by black magic, a mirror of Melkor and thus Morgoth's fall from grace
Except that Morgoth's corruption was his own doing. The orcs, trolls, dragons and wolves were created by Morgoth to be evil. Sauron, the Balrogs and other Maiar were once good, but Morgoth used lies and corruption to bound them to evil.
Well they will never be as interesting as Da' Boyz in Warhammer40K. 😂
@@cheshire_skatkat9093 you're not wrong lol
Vile creatures, they are
Seems like the snow elf to falmer arc
What I was always wondering if there was any ainur way to cure the orcs.I don't think they are completely lost. Perhaps even iluvatar himself could turn them back to elves
Eru and Ainur: sings in angelic voices.
Melkor: *mixes free from jazz with thrash metal* YEAAAAAHHHHH
Melkor: *growls in death metal*
I see it more as a Yoko-Ono type beat
Summary of the episode:
Analyzing Evil: EVIL ITSELF
Lmao yh
Meh. This was a synopsis. There was zero analysis given. I watched the whole thing and although I felt the summary was well done I was disappointed I did not get anything new in terms of what you'd expect from an analysis.
@@michaels7325 kinda pointless to analyse Morgoth as he is relatively one-sided. He is simply the very definition of evil and there is little else to him.
@@settratheimperishable4093 summed it up perfectly
@@michaels7325 that’s because Morgoth isn’t a character who is super complex with some evil traits, he is evil incarnate, there is literally no redeeming qualities you can find in an entity who understands nothing but and is the source of all evil in the universe and beyond it. He is incapable of understanding anything even remotely considered “good”
I love Whenever Morgoth/Melkor gets shouted out. I love when there are Big Bad villains that everyone knows and then its like
"you think he's bad you should see his Master" and Morgoth BUSTED. Cant wait to watch this!
JaxBlade is everywhere.
Busted?
The wars with morgoth were so wild an entire country sank into the sea and Eru bent the earth into a sphere so people couldn’t sail to Valinor.
@@Scowleasy Indeed.
@@Scowleasy That was because of Sauron during the downfall of Numenor.
You can't get more evil than Morgoth. He's literally the root of all evil.
All ultimate evils are the same to that degree.
@@kiryukazuma8089 ye
He and Sauron are Tolkien's conception of what evil might look like if given form. They are different forms of evil. In this sense they are both ultimate villains, although Morgoth is of course much more powerful - at first, anyway.
In the end he's a creation of iluvatar. The evil started with the creator as part of the creation. All melkor does is part of his plan.
Cult of melkor
I always love tragic villains, but I always like full-blown villains who are pure evil. Because a tragic villain will have limitations and lines, while villains like Morgoth really don’t care about anything, they just want to destroy everything in sight, and it makes the villain more terrifying
its interesting seeing the difference between sauron, lucifer, and melkor. So different and similar but in the end powerful beings cursed with titanic baby like jelousy and evil. I like Orome, Manwe, Mithrander and Galadrial and luthien.GLorfindle etc
It’s interesting that Melkor/Morgoth is both a tragic villain and a pure evil villain. His backstory being a fall from grace makes it a tragedy that such a beautiful being fell to such a depraved state. However, it is when Melkor becomes Morgoth that he can be considered pure evil.
Then Papa Palpatine comes along like "ayo man that's fire, lemme try"
@@blueblaze5160 What is more tragic is that he was set up to fall from the very beginning: being burdened with belief that only he is fit to rule, which he inherited from his creator (and no one else did), he was pretty much like a maniac serial killer born with a broken brain, he had no other option.
Ironically i think Morgoth it the most tragic villain of all, he is the epitome of nihilism, what is left when you acquire consciousness that you have no free will? That your destiny is tied, from begining to end, to a fate someone else made to you? Morgoth is seeing the fourth wall, watching his existance as nothing but a story written by Eru Illuvatar, and him and all of the Arda are just a complete story he has to play, its basically madness, i guess thats why he doesnt care if he is defeates, if hes ruining the story for everyone else, SPECIALLY for Eru Illuvatar, he is winning cause its his choice, his way to break the fate at least
Lmao. First 10 minutes I am listening to the narration and I have in my imagination this beautiful, divinely created orchestra with each player the best possible virtuoso of their chosen instrument. The highs and the lows and the harmony the greatest in mathematical and sonic perfection.
Then off in the far back corner you hear Morgoth banging away randomly with a cowbell.
😂😂😂😂
Hmm. I always pictured his music by description, a dark electric guitar solo while the other voices were like monks chanting, like Halo music
And SOMEHOW God makes it fit and sound tragically wonderful.
death metal entered the chat
The first thing that came to mind when I read that passage in the Silm was everyone else singing along to classical melodies and Morgoth playing a meme metal song like that: "pepporoni and green pepper mushrooms olives" song, i'm sure many people know which song it is lol.
The fact that morgoth has never appeared visually, and is only described from an outside perspective, and you're still able to make over an hour long analysis of his character, I think, is a testament to Tolkiens writing
The children of hurin has him in it in a more direct way
The funny thing about Morgoth is that while he's an individual, he's also kind of an omnipresent force of nature.
Well, he was given a part of all the gifts of the other Valar, so it makes sense that he would have some power of corruption over any part of that nature.
@@jonp3890 he was literally the primordial source of all evil in arda
@@jakealter5504 One of the primordial sources. We have Ungoliant too
@@ChristianProtossDragoon she was a primordial hunger, not the source of all evil
I'd argue Melkor is, and that when he became Morgoth he was bound to the earth as an individual alone (yet, of great power)
I'm not much of a Tolkenite, but I'll gladly listen to The Vile Eye talk for an hour and a half.
I'm constantly impressed with the amount of work you put into these videos. Keep up the good work, Mr. Eye!
Oh bro, it's my favorite fantasy epic. Have you seen the movies at least?
@I am me • 25y ago hell ya!
@I am me • 25y ago we are the brohirrim 😎
Highly recommend reading ‘The Silmarillion’. Morgoth was a nihilist of high degree. Everything that the Valar built, he would destroy it. Basically how a kid will kick your son’s sand castle after working so hard. He was Satan of Middle-Earth
Mr evil
Tolkien set out to write a kind of Greek mythology for Great Britain. When you see how complex the entirety of the story is I think we can agree that he succeeded. It has to be the greatest fantasy universe ever written
More like the Norse mythology for which he had a lot respect and love
@@NP3GA Indo-European Mythology.
Mithrandir is inspires by Mithras, from Pre-Islamic Persia.
@@georgeschmall9254 inspired*
Perhaps all three mythologies.
There are few villains that evoke such a wave of pure awe in terms of their scale as Morgoth. Even other well known big-bads like The Emperor from star wars, there is something to the gravity of Tolkien's writing and his ability to concoct a story which READS like an ancient text that embodies Morgoth with an almost unattainable level of reverence. Very pleased to find this video today
I agree. I always held Morgoth on a similar level of H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos gods.
They are all so mysterious, massive, and almost difficult to comprehend. They operate on a level so high above even immortals that its impossible not to feel a terrifying awe from them.
It's the concept of original sin as translated into that universe. Your physical body is poisoned by Morgoth the second it comes into existence.
@@specialnewb9821 I didn't think about it that way. Isn't Morgoth supposed to be a "facet" of Eru, the "God" of Arda?
@@01What10 More than that. Ea (existence) contains Arda (the world). Eru is the god Ea, but exists outside of Ea. Tolkien described his writing process as subcreation. Think of Eru as a writer who does many things comepletely outside and unrelated to the fictional universe. Because Melkor shared in every aspect of Eru's thought, imo Melkor is the only one to sort of grasp this and that is why he desired to create.
@@01What10Yes, Tolkien mixed monotheism and polytheism when crafting middle-earth. Ea and the Aunir are similar to Christian's holy trinity, but split more ways, although they are Independant of him in much the same way as Greek or Norse mythology with deities such as Athena, Thor ect.
Tolkien doesn't get the recognition he deserves for his understanding of the human condition
Darth Sidious has been officially dethroned as the most evil villain covered in this channel. While Sidious is a being without redeeming qualities, Melkor basically invented all depravities in Tolkien’s Legendarium. He is no mere Dark Lord like Palpatine or Voldemort; Morgoth is the sentient force of evil itself.
Edit: Can't wait for Sauron getting his own well-deserved episodie now.
Damn straight he is.
He should do a video on lucifer from the bible then lol
@@7yep4336dfgvvh not a bad idea at all my bro
The only other sheer force of evil that I personally think could match up to Morgoth is Darkseid from DC comics. In many ways they are the same archetype.
Should also do Horus from 40K, very evil guy! Very much inspired by Tolkien.
You must have pored over every page of the Silmarillion and then spent dozens of hours selecting paragraphs and writing transitions between details. What a fantastic script, and then all the effort to edit that with the maps and artwork.... This is by far your best video yet.
There are plenty of demanding requests in the comments, but don't let the pressure get to you. Judging by the quality of this video, I could never be disappointed, no matter who you pick next nor how long it takes for you to produce the video.
Fantastically well done.
What's even more scary is the fact that he's not even destroyed but actually locked away in a void prison. And I think if I'm correct there's even a part of Tolkiens Legendarium that prophecizes Morgoth's return to the world of Men for one final battle which is essentially the Armageddon of Middle Earth.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Dagor-Dagorath
Dagor dagorath, I'm pretty sure that's not canon. Still a pretty cool bit of lore
@@rickplayzyt6277 You're correct good sir. I believe J R R Tolkien abandoned the idea. If I remember correctly, there is mention of a final battle in the Silmarillion.
Dagor-Dagorath just sounds cool af haha
Yes, The Vile Eye did mention this Armageddon in the video...
The only way to destroy Morgoth is to totally annihilate every piece of the solar system. But the Valar can't do it without killing the children of illuvatar so Morgoth survives.
"There he was bound by the power of Morgoth, and
Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again; and he said: 'Sit now
there; and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come
upon those whom thou lovest. Thou hast dared to mock me, and to
question the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore
with my eyes thou shalt see, and with my ears thou shalt hear; and never
shalt thou move from this place until all is fulfilled unto its bitter end" - Pg 213 The Silmarillion
Utterly chilling... What Evil festers in this beings dark heart.
Daddy issues most likely.
A God complex?
I think it’s hilarious how the most civilized and beautiful beings that could literally kill you with beauty and song just fucking jumped Morgoth and just kicked the shit out of him
Kinda shows how the ideas Morgoth had that set him on the dark path spread like wildfire and took root in all the others, though they may deny it, they are forever tainted by it :P
"True evil can never be destroyed." -- Voodoo Lady, Curse of Monkey Island
Well, they tried being nice and civil about it. Look where that got them.
"Eat that you freak!" - Some Valar probably after smashing the iron crown right off Morgoth's head.
Before tulkas arrived it was the other way around
They didn’t just kick the shit out of him. It took ALL of the with their most powerful champion, Tulkas, to just “kick the shit out of him”. Don’t get it twisted. Melkor could only be beaten by ALL of the Valar.
I think Melkor is fundamentally a manifestation of Eru's desire to create things, it makes sense that the first being eru made would be derived from that part of his mind. But without the wisdom and understanding that instilled the desire to see those things grow and change. That's why Eru applauded the strength and knowledge of Melkor after the song, and wove a harmony from the war of sound whilst Melkor simply forced other ainur to sing his tune in the song and throughout his time in arda, obsessing over controlling the work of others until he could no longer make things that were of himself only mockeries of others.
Wow, I've never thought of that, it makes a lot of sense. Being designed with only the will to create things of your own essence and not being able to is sure a one way ticket to insanity.
It's amazing how timeless all that is.
I don’t think so. Aule created the dwarves, and all the others had the will of creation in them as well, for they created the whole of Arda. The parts of Eru that beheld Melkor are things like Might, Will, and Command, in my opinion.
@@awillingham Technically all the Ainur created things, not just Aule or Melkor. Aule created the Dwarves, true, but the Dwarves were master craftsmen not creators. It's a fine distinction but think about it like the difference between an engineer and say an architect. An engineer invents something, aka the creation process, whereas the architect uses that invention to bring it to life, aka the construction process. Basically the Ainur created materials like Mithril which the Dwarves than used to great effect to construct superb weapons and armors among many other things.
I like how Sauron’s greatest deception was convincing the Elves to forge the Rings of Power, the tools that were meant to facilitate their own subjugation, then Morgoth’s greatest deception was the equivalent of saying “I’m sowwy! I pwomise not to be bad anymowe! *WINK* ”
he is on another level
Sauron had the ring, where he put his evil and power, Morgoth had the entirety of the middle earth
The entirety of the planet, actually. There's a whole volume in History of Middle Earth called "Morgoth's ring" which explains this (and i think explains all of Melkor's toughts whenever he does, basically anything ig). Essentially he put part of his spirit into the planet itself, which is why evil will never truly fade away, and which is why he gets defated by the Valar during the Battle of the Powers.
And just to arrest him again, the Valar had to shatter Beleriand. Like Sauron, Morgoth can no longer be totally destroyed unless that into which he has poured his wicked soul suffers the same fate.
@@Jesse-xg8rk And neither then was all the soul-pouring truly undone, Morgoth poured his soul into Arda itself, the whole planet. In fact he actually (fr this time) dies at the end of the Dagor Dagorath, Battle of All Battles and Tolkien's equivalent of the Apocalypse. During said battle Arda is completely destroyed to then be remade, this time with no Melkor and his burning will to make a Discord server.
@@grassblock7668 Dagor Dagorath doesn't happen, it is not canon
@@durshurrikun150 What makes you consider it as non-canon? It's a written work of Tolkien, only that Christopher didn't include it in the Silmarillion or other books, an argument could indeed be made that therefore it isn't canon, so perhaps you're right. But canonicity is strangely subjective when it comes to works published postume of the author, so I believe it is up to interpretation. The Dagor Dagorath being canon or not doesn't really make a big deal to me personally, tho.
The sheer power of Tolkien's imagination always leaves me with a sense of awe.
Great choice of villain! Please do more Tolkien. His villains are far more grey than most people realize. Feanor would make an excellent candidate for a video like this as well.
I would day Feanor would have been better than Melkor. Melkor is too inhumane to be a villain, and in many ways it is outside the normal analysis of this channel
I’ve always enjoyed the idea that ungoliant and Tom bombadil are the same kind of being. Both ethereal and ancient.
Where ungolliant burrowed her way into the world during its creation maybe Tom was let in during the worlds creation?
Same with the monster guarding the entrance to Khazad-dum.
I think like the nameless creatures in the depts of the Misty Mountains and the Watchers Pool Ungoliant was created through Melkor discord in the great music.
@@Schattennebel huh I thought she crawled in during the world's creation?
@@k9vendettathewolfofmordor529 Also possible. But from where and when? Wasn`t time and space created with the world itself?
My heart goes out to all of the people who have drawn such beautiful pieces of fanart as seen in this video. I could never ever draw something so beautiful as anything here, and highly respect the amount of time it would take to draw something as simple as a made up character from some book.
I find it hilarious how the grey elves just get repeatedly destroyed in this lore. It seems like every other event is just “and they massacred the grey elves” like bro can’t catch a break
The audacity of Morgoth suing for peace and pardon after all that took place, he wanted to be like Eru and saw himself above all Eru's creations yet fled from, begged mercy of and was repeatedly defeated by Eru's creations.
Its interesting how far Morgoth's ego and pride actually fell here, he's pleading for peace and pardon, after everything he's done. He led his army of orcs, dragons, werewolves, vampires, Balrogs to fight against the might of the Valar, the Elves, and Men in the War of Wrath, of whom are Eru's personal creations and kindred in that manner. In a way Morgoth really was fighting Eru's will and all of his creations came together against Morgoth's might and brought him low. Frankly, its one of my favorite moments ever.
@@VidsnStuff True evil has no redeeming qualities, ofc. It's why he's also a fucking coward despite him being the mightiest below only Eru.
@@danielpowell9891 Only false ones in the Dark Lord's eyes, for Eru is a truly flawless being. Since he is omnipotent, he practically has no flaws.
reminds me of lucifer, appolyon, the satan etc.
Like Lucifer, he was drunk on his own pride.
What I wouldn’t give to see a well executed version of Ancalagon the Black during the final campaign against Morgoth. Meant to be his mightiest weapon, Ancalagon was the largest, greatest and most powerful of the dragons. It took a valoncar wielding the force of several stars to kill this serpent and his mere crashing to the ground shattered an entire mountain range
(I'm saying this as a joke)
Only a mountain range? Seems like a skill issue.
@@xanmontes8715 (Also a joke) Ancalagon is mountain lvl Goku wins no diff, debate me
I'd absolutely love to see that dramatised, would be a sight to see.
I'd also love to see Fingolfin's duel with Morgoth, that would be absolutely epic and equally tragic.
"As there is no need to alter details and descriptions that are conveyed perfecty within the Source Material."
If only someone had told the RoP Writers . . .
Most of the time period the show takes place in could afford to be fleshed out more. There’s a lot of uncovered ground in the Second Age.
@@wildfire9280 that's the part that worries me. There are so much blank spots to fill in, but judging from the Trailers, there will also be rewriting of established characters like galadriel.
I still think they should have written a story centered around far harad.
@@vladtheinhaler9744 Galadriel’s interesting due to how Tolkien also seemingly tried rewriting her, I’m interested in where they’ll take that so long as it’s not dull.
Here’s the big one boys. The OG dark lord.
Wasn't Technicaly Sauron made by Tolkien before he made Morgoth?
Actually Tolkien had these storjes down long before LoTR. However the publishers wanted another Adventure Story, not a Bible. So instead of writing the Silmarilion he wrote LoTR. Morgoth was always apart of the Legendarium.
It’s interesting how in terms of the Tolkien legendarium, humans are kind of the balance between the extremes of good and evil, with the orcs being the extreme of evil and the elves being the extreme of good. Not universally of course but as a foundation and the fact that they can sway either way made them easy for Morgoth to corrupt to a certain extent.
Well, by most accounts Orcs are corrupted Elves, so they're kind of the same species. It's true though that Men in Tolkien's world, much like mankind, possesses free will and is therefore inherently neutral rather than inherently good or evil. It's our choices that dictate whether we lean more towards being good or being evil rather than anything we were born with.
Tolkien was such a great storyteller his gift of world building alone has no match .
which makes amazons disgusting rewrites even more insulting.
BuT wHaT wAs aRaGoRn'S tAx PoLicY?!
@@jamessalvatore7054 Is it really that bad? I haven't watched Rings Of Power but people are acting like it's the worst series ever created. Is it truly that awful?
@@anatoldenevers237For fun, as a writing exercise, I wrote a critique focusing only on the lore inconsistencies of the very first episode. It was over 1000 words
@@Longshadow213 Wow. That's impressively bad for just one episode.
12:05 Actually, it was the Elves that named Sauron, well, "Sauron" and "Gorthaur", his first name was Mairon.
Facts, but it's fine lol
@@morbidone88 Yeah true, it wasn't that big of a mistake at all, just a lil thing to point out
I actually just heard him and I didn't hear him say melkor gave him the name sauron, just that he got the name after joining him.
@@morbidone88 Yeah in fact i think Melkor probably still called him Mairon, and possibly all the Valar and Maiar (exept the Ishtar) still call him that. For all I know it was the people of Middle Earth that knew him as both Sauron and Gourthag but used Sauron more.
Also, "Mairon" means "the admirable" so it makes damn sense no good Middle Earth guy calls him that anymore lol.
@@grassblock7668 😆😅 yea. The elves knew him at one point as decent and knowledgeable, but men only ever knew him as Sauron
I think the most interesting aspect of Melkor/Morgoth is how incremental his fall from grace actually is. I would wager that it is a reference to Milton that he initially seems very much like Lucifer in Paradise Lost at the beginning of existence, simply excited/impatient for creation to begin and so he-unlike any other-seeks the flame imperishable. He goes from something of a free thinker to squandering his gifts and becoming the root of all evil.
As a Christian I immediately saw the parallels between Melkor and Lucifer, and how rebellion against their respective Gods led to war, a fall from grace, a dive into darkness, and funnily enough a name change.
Yet Lucifer never showed impatience but rather believed that he alone knew better than the God that made him.
Such a tragic fall, too. Small wonder he was known as Morningstar and grossly ironic.
At the beginning the gods singing the melodic hymns.
Morgoth: "y'all like heavy metal?!"
I think that this is the most exhaustive analysis of a villian Ive eve seen.
Melkor is ironically Tolkien's main protagonist in a roundabout way. The professor never wrote with any semblance of a coherent timeline, that was his son's work. But the Dark Lord is the one constant in all Tolkien's works. Moving the plot along more than Beren and Lùthien, more than Ëarendil, Morgoth is one of the very first villain protagonists in all of fiction.
I'm relatively sure he's one of the most mentioned characters (counting both the times when he gets reffered to as Melkor and as Morgoth) in the entire book lol.
Some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you did there
I wouldn't say his being the most active characte ris enough to make him the protagonist, that would make Grendel and the Dragon the protagonists of Beowolf since it was their actions that drew forth Beowulf to fight them.
@@seekingabsolution1907 Villains can be as active of characters as the protsgonists, which makes sense seeing that with no villain there's no story lol
@@seekingabsolution1907 I'd agree with you, but Morgoth's actions drive the plot for every character across the First Age. Most of whom never meet. He's the only thing tying them all together, directly or indirectly.
Hooooo myyyyyyyyy, one of the greatest villains in literature and also a very underrated one that deserve at adaptation, the silmarillon was a very fascinating book to read and one of the reason was the role the melkor have in the story. Thank you vile eye for this video 👍
God damn, I'd hate to be the guy that had to adapt the silmarillion into a motion picture.. LOL Probably why it hasn't been done, there soo much to try to bring to life
@@morbidone88 well you have a point, besides with the prequel TV series on Amazon prime as a big backlash even before it gets aired
@@morbidone88 I would adapt it into a series of different events scattered throughout the ages he was most prominent in. Kind of like how Tartakovsky made the clone wars volumes but do it for The Silmarillion. You could have an episode dedicated around Beren & Luthien, an episode or two depicting Ungliant devouring the trees of Valinor and how her offspring eventually spawned Shelob that also includes her betrayel of Morgorh. Another would be having the Battle of Unnumbered Tears being preceded by a narration & imagery of how things got to that point then just having an all put battle & the creation of Dragons. This would also be animated because there's no way live action could do it justice. I mean come on Balrogs riding dragons into battle in live action would be a logistical nightmare to pull off but not so much in animation.
@@kenjikune2565 that sounds awesome, but the problem is still the sheer amount of detail. These episodes would have to be 2 hours each, lol! Maybe an hour if you're reallllyyy trying to condense his work. But ya, as far as adaptation to a series goes, Amazon is proving that few can be trusted with Tolkiens work my man.. they finally admitted at comic con that this is their story and they are telling it their way bc no one told them they couldn't.. lol
@@kenjikune2565 the battle of unnumbered tears would definitely make me cry..
Morgoth makes the thought of having sauron rule over the world a comforting one...
That he does
‘No need to alter details and descriptions that are described perfectly in the source text’, if only those that made the Amazon show had a similar thought process
Vile Eye: “We’re analyzing all the evil of *Morgoth*
Me: Pauses video {grabs snacks, a thermos of coffee, shuts ringer off, grabs pillows and gets comfortable) “Here we go”…{Presses Play}
*I cannot imagine* how lost someone would be, listening to this, if they're completely unfamiliar with it 😂
Not gonna lie, I'm watching this while grinding in Elden Ring. Since I'm not 100% focused on it, it does start to sound like a lot of gibberish and made up words, lol.
Yeah, it took me a long time to tackle watching this, namely to remember the word drops, especially when Melkor had his name changed.
Definitely a struggle, but it's worth it.
I'd like to see an analysis of Gaunter O'Dimm from The Witcher 3, for me, he was one of those compelling and charming villains that you hate to love.
Ah, you are interested in a simple merchant like me?
Fucking amazing character, an evil you cannot kill only banish
Ah, so it's true what they say about speaking of the devil.
Ive always found him fascinating. Take the first letter of each of the words in his name.
There you have it.
Another Satan architype, he is based of a Eastern European Tail about a Man who made a deal with the devil that he should be immortal unless he sets foot in Rome but when he was trying to run away from the Devil when the "rent was due" it turns out the inn he was hiding on is named Rome so the devil took his soul.
If we are delving into fantasy I’d love to hear your analysis on a villain from Warhammer 40,000. Horus Lupercal seems the most likely candidate, as the chaos gods are beyond understanding, the tyranids and orks aren’t evil from a point of view, that leaves only Chaos’ human followers, and the Dark Eldar. While Vect certainly has done enough evil to make other villains shed a tear, I think Horus makes for a more interesting study. Hell from perspectives one could equally call The Emperor as he is currently a villain as well.
Tzeentch would be a good one
Most of the Chaos gods are easy yo understand tbh. They simply embody a particular aspect of morality, and generally to the worse degree.
How about the Imperium itself? Its about 90% evil, maybe less since Rowboat Gullyman returned. But still over 75% evil for sure
And how do you call the emperor a villain? Isnt he in the warp solely focused on keeping the chaos gods away from the empire?
@@kiryukazuma8089 well he sees human civilization like human view an ant farm. Even his own "sons" were nothing more than tools to wins wars with. Hes beyond being a hero of a villan though, since hes basically a god with both good intentions and fatal flaws
For those who like hearing about Morgoth I really recommend The Red Book. The best Tolkien channel, especially when it comes to understanding evil figures in Middle-earth!!
I’d also recommend the channel Men of the West
The reason Eru didn’t simply kill Melkor as soon as Melkor started causing havoc is probably something like the answer in “Time Bandits” to why evil is allowed to exist: that if it weren’t allowed to exist, beings wouldn’t have free will. Eru didn’t want to go back on his goal of letting his creations do as they please.
In the simarillion eru says the melkor is nothing without him and that he should look upon what damage he has caused by sowing the discord into the song. He allows him to live because he is so insignificant to eru that hes willing to wait to just remake the world in a few thousand years to prove a point that what melkor did was completley meaningless as all will eventually return to eru.
Dwarves originally didn’t have souls and thus lacked free will. Once Eru decided not to destroy them he was like “yeah gotta give you free will though”
@@CheeseCrumbs00 Maybe, but ask yourself: What has Morgoth/Melkor with his new "freedom"?
Did He invent a new world or did He just copy and corrupted what was already created?
Did He try create to living beings with free will rather than make or/and esnlave monstruos creatures?
Did He try to educate any Maiar what followed or did He enslave them to his will and armies afgter they fell willingly?
Eru told Morgoth he was nothing without Him, because Morgoth trully have NEVER done anything in His existence what wasn't either trying to spite or get the attention of Eru.
Morgoth has expent his enitre existence corrupting or killing the creations of Eru but never once try to make anything Original.
Nor did He try to put in practice any of what He preached; as soon the Maiar what followed fell, Morgoth bend them to his will and enslkaved into his army, and latter did the same with the Orcs, Trolls, Dragons anmd everyone else.
Good can’t exist without evil, life without death, etc. everything is balanced in nature.
@@alphalegionary7672 I respetfully disagree with you there. If We go by it's defenition, Evil is simply the "Absence of Good".
So buy defenition Good can exist and both Destroy and Create. While Evil can only Destroy. It's incapable of creating things, it can only take what is already create it and try to distort it.
If there is an analyzing evil for book villains, there NEEDS to be a video made for judge Holden from blood meridian, probably the best and scariest book villain
Honestly the best villain ever written imo
Absolutely agree! And also Nicolaj Stavrogin from Demons
Blood Meridian is such a fucked up book
He is literally Tolkiens Version of Lucifer. Only much more evil. A fallen god, which was cast out of „Heaven“ because he just was a huge Jerk.
Ya beat me to the lunch
Given that Tolkien was a devout Catholic, Morgoth is most likely inspired by Lucifer
@Thisis Gettinboring absolutely. Much more interesting
@Thisis Gettinboring have you read any apocryphal books or the Bible?
It’s all there on Lucifer
It’s not certain to be divinely inspired but all that Tolkien used for Morgoth is all there
@@lordschnitzel7961 slightly off topic but not really lol if you wanna see an extremely interesting perspective on Lucifer Anne Rice did a fuckin awesome job in Memnoch The Devil.. never read anything like it I recommend that damn book to everyone 😂
Can’t wait to see Sauron, Saruman, and Gollum too
Yes, Gollum
roberroberts my.... precious.
@@an-animal-lover my... precious
@@an-animal-lover my... precious
My inner Grima: "Even if it is a good idea, it would take thousands of requests to convince the Vile Eye."
My inner Saruman: "TENS of thousands!"
Evil isn’t always comprehensible.
I love the story of Morgoth in the Silmarillion. The mystique and horror of both him and his protege are so thoughtfully painted by the master JR.
The Vile Eye: Morgoth is a tricky character to analyse.
*Proceeds to make an hour and twenty minutes video analysing the First Dark Lord.
Haha in all seriousness absolutely brilliant video, I'm a massive fan of the Legendarium, and you did the world, language and Tolkien Justice.
Actually Fingolfin is the BROTHER of Finarfin and Fëanor and the son of Finwë, great video tho can't wait to see more of Tolkien analysis
That was awesome. Never imagined a cross contamination between the vile eye and middle earth lore.
Jareth The Goblin King from The Labyrinth could be a good one to analyze next.
I hope I can add something useful to this video with the knowledge I possess. Beginning with the music of the ainur, the ainur wove fabrics that created not just the world, but its events and inhabitants as well. I believe that everything that later came to pass in Arda already happened in the themes at the timeless halls. The Valar, when come down to Arda, were frightened because it didn't look like what they thought it would. At that point, only Illuvatar could understand time linearly, and the Valar took time to understand that much of their creations would arrive in ages to come. Morgoth fled the timeless halls in shame at his inability to understand the themes of Illuvatar. He already couldn't understand the music, and he emerged into a world that was empty, barren of any of his or his siblings' creations. The terror and confusion this caused Morgoth cannot be overstated. Time and time again, Morgoth becomes terrified at what he cannot understand, such as men and the sun. His lack of knowledge underlies everything. Illuvatar tells him that no matter what, he will be undone in time. I should also add that Ungoliant is most likely a spawn of Morgoth when he sang a melody that was discordant with Eru's. Illuvatar did not create unstable things, but Morgoth did: Ungoliant ate herself and his own lair was built on unstable ground.
Aule is an interesting counterpart, because he created Dwarves without the permission of Illuvatar. Illuvatar spoke to him and told him he was to do no such thing, and Aule responded by saying his creation of the Dwarves was not out of spite, but out of eagerness for the arrival of Elves and men, a poor mimicry of his father's work. Illuvatar allowed the dwarves to exist, but only after the children awoke. Yavanna found out that the children of illuvatar would cut down the trees she so loved and use the Earth, and she didn't comprehend that this too was part of the plan of Illuvatar, but with the creation of the Ents she found compromise. Morgoth, when faced with a limitation, either believed it not to exist or raged against it. Feanor says that he could only make the Silmarils once as he put so much of his power into them. Morgoth didn't understand that the more he tried to shape Arda once he was already there, the weaker he became. Later in the first age, he was in constant agony and could no longer assume any form but that of the dark lord. In a conversation with Hurin, it is interesting to note that Morgoth only refers to himself as Melkor and tries to break Hurin. Once he realizes Hurin will not break, he binds Hurin to a place where Hurin would see everything Morgoth saw, hear everything he heard, but he would have to see it all through Morgoth's twisted eyes and ears. It was Hurin more than anyone who understood Morgoth best, as he shared his senses with him.
Lastly and like all the Valar, he was unable to comprehend the power of the children of Illuvatar. Luthien goes to the halls of Mandos and sings a song so beautiful and so full of sorrow that she bent the Valar to her will, allowing Beren to come back from the dead. When elves die, they travel to the halls of Mandos and await their kin or reincarnation, but men are not bound to Arda in the same way. Their dying was initially referred to as "the gift of Illuvatar" because it allowed them to transcend the binds of the world, going to a place even the Valar could not understand. Morgoth believed simple emptiness awaited them, and he was the one who first put the fear of death into the hearts of men. But it should be noted, Tolkien once stated he did not believe in absolute evil, but he did believe in absolute good. One of the most torturous experiences in Beleriand belonged to Beren, who followed his father into battle and defeat, lived with him and his companions in the woods for years. It was a miserable existence and due to Sauron's villainy, they were betrayed and set upon. Beren, the only survivor, ran and somehow made it into the Girdle of Melian without the knowledge of Thingol (it is likely that Melian knew of his coming). There he saw Luthien dancing in the forest, and for that time, all ill-feeling, all the misery he had ever felt, all the mental turmoil, it all vanished and he was frozen the way Thingol was when he happened upon Melian. Once regaining control of himself, the only word that came to his mind after all the misery, was "tinuviel", nightingale, the birds Melian taught to sing.
Morgoth has to be the most evil character ever analyzed on this channel
we are talking about Tolkien's version of Satan so yeah he's in a league all his own with others that can be rightly called Satanic level villians
Palpatine is a close second
@@brandonmedina494 Sheev is up there
@@volrosku.6075 it’s crazy to think this dude was 100% responsible for almost
every bad thing that ever occurred in this universe
That would be a great survey/contest for this channel: the most evil character of all fiction. I think it's a 4-way tie between
Morgoth (Tolkien)
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
Ingsoc (1984) and
AM (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream)
This is one of the coolest most well told stories I’ve ever heard spoken, you sir are legendary.
Analyzing Evil: Bane from The Dark Knight Rises
Analyzing Evil: Shredder from TMNT 2012
Analyzing Evil: Baldur from God of War 2018
Analyzing Evil: Hama from Avatar: The Last Airbender
Analyzing Evil: The Salamanca Family from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
Analyzing Evil: Dracula from Castlevania
OH YES PLEASE
I would like to include John Kreese of Karate Kid and Cobra Kai series
Sure, Morgoth is evil... but have you met my 9th grade algebra teacher?
"If a man dedicates his life to good deeds and the welfare of others, he will die unthanked and unremembered. If he exercises his genius bringing misery and death to billions, his name will echo down through the millennia for a hundred lifetimes. Infamy is always more preferable to ignominy."
- Fabius Bile, The Clone Lord at the Desecration of Kanzuz IX
Warhammer 40k
The difference being that good deeds are built upon by your successors, whereas evil deeds are undone and erased. They are remembered yes, but irrelevant. Good deeds live on and are a blessing to the future, so to speak. It takes an inferior being of small mind and wisdom to prefer infamy over constructive effort and creation.
@@holysecret2 I wonder what Fabius would reply with to that, if only he wasn't fictional.
@@holysecret2 hitler and stalin would argue otherwise
@@holysecret2 this also could be said abaut good
@@Divinemakyr Well since he can create clones. I guess having good deeds be built upon by the next generation has become irrelevant, as a man like Fabius Bile does not desire to bring inspiration to others, but to immortalize his arts of evil, and be as dangerous as the Chaos Gods. If one transcends their frail mortal form, they are no longer held back by any physical limitations, so why would ethical limitations be any different?
Love it, as always!! Melkor is one of the greatest villain ever made. I would love to see an analysis on Cartman, the second… no let’s face it, THE greatest evil of all time and media.
Morgoth = Lucifer
What I enjoy most about silmarillion is how from the beginning LITERAL discord was the problem. Its such a great metaphor.
You did a great job. I admire the fact that you understood the fact that Tolkien's words were better than anything you could come up with. I wish more people who are working with Tolkien's works realized this.
Thank you so much for the credit given over the art
I was just scrolling and the thumbnail right above this one was "Make your own kind of music" by Cass Elliot and I was like " That's what this guy did". 😄
I see Morgoth, I see Vile Eye, I press play.
A simple man.
Why? There was zero "analysis" offered. It was just a synopsis. I mean the summary was okay but if you were looking for evil being analyzed through morgath you will have wasted your time.
@@michaels7325 Did I say I came for analysis? I said “I see Morgoth, I press play”. So no, I didn’t waste my time.
Obviously I know that he has an ad break in his video to monetize his work somehow, but hearing the guy who tells me all of the evilest most vile things about these fictional characters also telling me that he loves a good bloody Mary from his decanter and he’s been looking for something to replace his addiction to coffee beans is quite humorous
I'm surprised you did Morgoth before Sauron(unless you already did, then nevermind), but I suppose it's appropriate since Morgoth was Sauron's predecessor.
And his superior. Sauron was said to be one of the most powerful of the maiar/lesser ainu, morgoth was confirmed to be the most powerful of all the ainu and second only to eru himself
Great expose on the events of the first age. Everything taken from Tolkien's writings with little extrapolation, which is appreciable. I noticed a few contradictory references though:
-When referencing the Feanor and company's self-exile, it's said they traveled to Arda. Arda is the name for the Earth in its entirety (they were already in Arda, everyone was), they'd have travelled to Beleriand where the War of the Jewels of the 1st age takes place. Middle Earth is the region East of Beleriand past the Blue Mountains where the events of the 2nd and 3rd ages primarily take place.
-Fingolfin is described as the son of Finarfin. Fingolfin and Finarfin are full brothers, both of whom are Feanor's half brothers by their father, Finwe (murder victim of Morgoth).
-Cirdan was not assaulted at the Grey Havens by Morgoth's forces following the Nirnaeth. They were assailed at Eglarest on the West coast of Beleriand and forced to resettle at Arvernien to the South East. Cirdan did in truth establish the The Grey Havens at Lindon, but they were not built until after the War of Wrath; on the West coast of Middle Earth, which would effectively be the Eastern edge of Beleriand, prior to its destruction.
This was great though. The epilogue sums up Morgoth's nature as the inventor of pain, suffering, deceit, misery etc. very well. Nice job...
So far this has been the most enjoyable edition to Analyzing Evil for me.
The most enjoyable would of been Hal Stewart aka Titan or Tighten from MegaMind if he only read The Hundreds of comments I sent him.
@@futurewario9591 Ah. Perhaps you're right, but for me it's totally subjective but I get your point.
@@Jamal1b1993 To be honest with you I have never watched any of The Lord of The Rings Movies. I tried to once, was late at night & instantly fell asleep.
@@futurewario9591 Yeah, understood. The Third Age is most popular, but the ages before are more intriguing to me which is why I enjoyed this particular content.
@@Jamal1b1993 Would you agree that Tighten is one of The Best Villains ever?
Thankyou!Thankyou!Thankyou!
I never expected you to give an analysis to Melkor/Morgoth, THE ORIGINAL DARK LORD, this soon!
Edit: 12:04 - Actually Sauron's true name was Mairon, which meant "The Admirable". Gorthaur was the name that the Sindar gave to him while he served Morgoth, which meant "Dread Abomination".
Melkor or Morgoth is one of the or best of Evils in different universes. Studied Tolkien for years and one thing that interested me was how mysterious Morgoth is. Pretty sure he had used his power to twist the Nameless things. Anyway cool to see this video.
The more that time passes the more that I appreciate Tolkien's work. I used to think that George R.R. Martin was the better of the two writers because his characters were all morally gray and because of that his world felt more realistic when compared to Tolkien's. But as time passed and I reread both works I'm now firmly on Tolkien's side.
It helps that Tolkien finished his series.
There's a lot of different themes in Tolkien's works, and deep meaning. Martin went for realism, cruelty, and cynicism.
Martin tried to capture the epochal scale of Tolkien's works (Like how Westeros' major houses remained intact for millennia despite extremely tumultuous history) without giving the same level of thought of cause and effect that Tolkien did. Tolkien did not add in any writing that doesn't serve a relatively solid purpose. And knowing Martin's schedule we'll get a "The Winds of Winter and other unfinished tales, compiled by Brandon Sanderson".
Look at it this way, there wouldn’t be a game of thrones if not for the ground that Tolkien broke in his legendarium
Morgoth's greatest failure was his refusal to humble himself and accepting that he was not the top being. While certainly guilty of all the classical sins, pride was the one chiefly ruling him. The mere thought of him not being greatest ruled him absolutely and much like a petulant child when told "no" he came to just destroy what he was envious of. In this, Morgoth is much lesser than Sauron ever was. Sauron at least wished to rule for the purpose of ordering things as he saw fit, to keep Millde-Earth in a sort of stasis because he feared it would become more and more mundane, the magic leaving the world (thus sealing it into Rings). Morgoth simply wanted to destroy because he was not the most powerful, all his actions a big tamper tantrum.
This is the guy that Satan wishes he could be, he is arguably one of the most powerful villains in fiction and probably the most powerful stand in for the Devil ever. He was able to effortlessly dominate the other Valar in his prime before investing any of his strength in marring the world and creating the concept of evil, it was only because of his spent strength that Tulkas could beat him, or anyone else later on, had he not relinquished any of his essence, he’d have ruled the universe without the intervention of Eru, lucky he spent his strength. It would be very hard for them to bring him to live action, he’d have to have an even more demonic or satanic influence in his design and portrayal to seperate him from Sauron.
Tulkas Figth with him was probably a Dragon Ball like battle. Teleporting everywhere, shooting orbs of powers, going speed of light etc etc.
Morgoth and Palpatine are going to be fighting for top spot when Vile Eye does the next tier list.
Morgoth is easily more complex and way more evil
Morgoth is more evil by far, he's probably one of the most evil characters ever written.
Morgoth no diffs
@@abf7846 on Iluvatar, no cap
@@abf7846 I think only a few characters like Trigon, Darkseid, and Unicron might be more evil than morgoth
There no filler in this content at all it’s amazing you have surpassed yourself. Genuine top quality stuff. I am jealous of your script writing and your narration
I don't think they could ever properly depict the pure power and majesty of Morgoth's wrath. He's just too larger than life to be ever depicted properly in live action.
maybe anime?
Even in written form it's hard.
Ungoliant clears it's throat
@@johncampbell9107 Ungoliant is some queen shit
An hour and 20 minutes? REALLY? Whats the 100th episode gonna be? A four day marathon live stream of analyzing satan?
Melkor got cabin fever due to Eru's restrictive boundaries of Arda. In essence, he sensed a greater universe outside of Arda. Thus, he sought the Flame Imperishable.
Imagine this, the songs we hear in every battle and what not during the movies, are the songs of the ainur watching over and shaping the events happening against Melkor and Sauron 🤯
Love that we’re finally on Middle-Earth villains
I think Morgoth/Melkor is the embodiment of "If man was created in God's image, then god can be evil, therefore he isn't perfect"
The fact that Melkor is a manifestation of one of Eru's facet, may hint at this, as he feels and has felt superior ever since he began his existence, he desires to create and control
But unlike Tolkien's god, he lacks the other facets, the courage, the drive, maybe even the creativity, as he is an all corrupting force
Of course, I don't know if that was Tolkien's intent, but it's interesting nonetheless
Another thing he lacks is wisdom, and restraint
Imagine an empty blot on the face of the Mona Lisa caused by paint thinner left by a disrespectful tourist, is that empty space a part of Leonardo Davinci's work? No. Man and Melkor, made in the image of God/Eru we're not inherently evil, but chose to misuse their free will and commit evil, blotting out good in favor of ego and pride. Less Eru/God more of themselves. I think that Melkor's nature would have had him be the leader of the Valar had he obeyed Eru's will, but Eru wished to make him humble first. Melkor could have chosen to learn, but instead chose his pride and ego, willing to rule over ash than play second fiddle in paradise.
I think he had a facet of Eru but lacked the other aspects in order to be balanced. He desired to create and desired to be cherished by his creations but to a childish degree. Eru had the wisdom to give free will to his creations even Morgoth but Morgoth wanted to absolutely dominate and corrupt. I think it stems from his lack of other Eru’s traits to see what he was doing was literally evil.
My man gives us a feature film for a weekly upload. I’m not complaining.
Thank you so much for this, I been asking for this since I started watching your channel. love all about the Tolkien universe and this made me happy.
Try as I might, all Tolkien summaries turn into mush in my head trying to track all the names of people and places.
Since we're on the topic of Lord of the Rings and Magic, here are a few suggestions for your next analysis:
1. Sauron (of course!)
2. Saruman
3. Emperor Belos/Phillip Whittibane from the Owl House.
Analyzing evil: Horus lupercal
A split episode with the Emperor of Man, cuz he wasn't exactly a 'good guy.'
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj yup in 40K everyone is Evil in someway.
Negan, The Governor-TWD
Homelander-The Boys
Magneto-X-Men
Jadis the White Witch from The Chronicles of Narnia would make a great Analyzing evil.
Yoooooooo!!! I never would’ve thought Mr. Vile would do a deep dive analysis of Melkor/Morgoth aka the OG 1st Dark Lord of Tolkien’s Legendarium, very nice that you too are also in Tolkien’s Legendarium World 😁👍👌