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Pawel Jastreboff on Tinnitus Retraining Therapy -
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In the 1990s, Pawel Jastreboff created the neurophysiological model of tinnitus and based on it Tinnitus Retraining Therapy to help patients habituate to tinnitus. However, a recent study found TRT is no more effective than standard of care and the European guideline for tinnitus gave TRT no recommendation but a strong recommendation for CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). Jastreboff discusses the mechanisms behind TRT and looks back on over thirty years of working in the tinnitus field.
Man who held tinnitus research back 20 years.
Yes its awfull All that TRT habituete CBT bullshit aint going to HELP we need Real threatment s to reduse the loudness of tinnitus Oure only HOPE is the Susan SHORE device or Dirk de RIDDER magnet cap or acustic reset neomodellation stimulation or OTO 313 or fx 322
@@charlottebirgittethomsen4273 You clearly forgot that there are ways to cope with tinnitus. This therapy is one of them. More then 80% of people who did this therapy have managed to become accustomed to their noises and lead a normal life again.
I told you to stop spreading false messages regarding treatments for tinnitus. There are more people who manage to get control on their tinnitus then you think. Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it works for no-one.
@@wolterzz3267 well said!!
Man who read a comment and reposted the same thing
@@wolterzz3267 yes but for the doctor it is his way or nothing, he even said if it doesn't work on someone, the person automatically falls into one of those groups he mentioned which is not true.
I am Polish, Jastreboff is also by his origin; he escaped from Poland when the communist regime ruled here. What it says is terrifying to me. He openly accuses people who cannot get used to it, that it is their intentional action that they do not want.
Oure only HOPE is the Susan SHORE device or lenire No body CANT get use to a server tinnitus torture Hell tHIS MAN dont know what PAIN is😥😥he is useless
A true sign of a quack. It is his way or the highway. His comments are indicative of someone who is trying to shut out and block challengers to his views.
@@johnstone3630 you are so so right l realy Hope we get REAL treatment SOON because this tinnitus Hell 😧 is getting wors over time because the nervscells in the brain are getting more and more overaktive and Damage + we have to Much glutamat inflammation TINNITUS is SERIUS 😖 been suffering from Tinnitus 19 years now 😞 about to give Up Oure only HOPE is the Susan SHORE device or lenire devise or Dirk de RIDDER devise to reduse the hyperaktivitet in the brain + OTO 313 and fx 322 and GW 201 also check out BIONIC TINNITUS INSTITUT they can finely measure tinnitus prayers 🙏 to All tinnitus suffers Out there Hope we get relief very SOON 😳😭
Just like cult leaders “you didn’t believe in it” that’s why it didn’t work. You are not free-minded. It’s YOUR FAULT
Hes a murdering narcissist for sure. @johnstone3630
"I start thinking, as a good scientist..." - well, you did nothing for us with that thinking.
He needs to change his profession complete disgrace to the medical industry. He is completely wrong and i disagree with him 110%.
You are so right this man is useless many others rechersers are working on many things to help us SOON the Susan SHORE device or lenire devise they are also working on neofeedback and vagusnervestimutatio to HELP tinnitus suffers
What does he say that you disagree with? He's quite factual in everything he says. The only thing I don't like it that he is seems to be only interested in habituation, instead of an actual cure.
@@FlightSergeantRose he DONT take tinnitus SERIUS we NEED a REAL thritmemt to reduse the hyperaktivitet in the brain because tinnitus is getting wors over time the nervecelles becomes more and more overaktive over time we cant just retaining the brain l trayd everything zen terapi massage TRT habituete ect vitamines fasting crainiel terapi relaxing terapi NOTHING Works l dont like this man her is useless
FlightSergeantRose the gaslighting (the flag wavers comment) for one. Do you think we want this shit? Do you think we want to not sleep? Seriously bro. The shocking blame he has for sufferers is disgusting. And aside from military vets who the fuck has ever profited from claiming tinnitus as a disability??
@@FlightSergeantRose If you saw the whole video you will know what we all disagree with. Pawel Jastreboff, the creator of Tinnitus Retraining Therapy, says the only people that don't benefit from it are negative, whiny & just don't want to get better.
This man has had a huge impact on tinnitus treatments, tinnitus research & how tinnitus, in general, is seen. He's one of the main reasons why tinnitus loudness is seen as irrelevant and why sufferers have to fight against the misconception that everyone can learn to tune it out.
What the hell is this guy saying at 5:21 ?? This is a so called Tinnitus expert. My god, no wonder that we make slow progress.
There are rechersers working on many things fore tinnitus suffers Out there the Susan SHORE device or lenire devise or Dirk de RIDDER devise ,+OTO 313 and fx 322 and the Hough pill from Hough ear Institut +many more
Hes on par with so called Caroline Leaf who tries to pass herself off as a neuroscientist but is actually an audiologist
@@kb1527 Lots of grifters in the Tinnitus field
why he ruined tinnitus research : ua-cam.com/video/IjI7sZos_Dg/v-deo.html
One of his statements I find concerning: "We have a cure for tinnitus reaction but not tinnitus perception." So his success is that people aren't reacting to tinnitus but continue to hear it just the same.
Yep this man is awfull tinnitus is NEVER going to vgo away with out any Real threatment to reduse the hyperaktivitey in the brain
Amen !
@@bobhope3716 Google tinnitus secrets shared by founder of TRT Pawel jastreboff phd
@@bobhope3716 did you find ben Thompson video tinnitus secrets shared by founder of TRT Pawel jastreboff phd??
If you learn to live with it, you won't even know it's there.
You can only hear the sound if you pay too many attention to it.
Quack selling quackery
How many deaths has this guy caused directly with TRT & gaslighting and indirectly by holding research back? I'd guess tens of thousands, if not 100k. It is very unfortunate that he was born.
This guy is rubbish, he should change profession as he is doing NOTHING for the tinnitus sufferers, actually the opposite, he has been delaying proper treatment for 20+ years.
Thought i would share. So hard i swore to myself id come back onto those "forums" once my T would be gone. 80% of the sound is gone, now very tolérable, 2 weeks (16 days to be exact) after they started. Been ordeal free for 5 days. My ENT gave me Piracetam, corticoids and vasodilatators. Don't know which did the trick (if any of those or combination) but sthg worked. I would say worth a try depending on what your country allows. Also listened to Joe Dispenza's meditations, helped a lot. This is a re-birth. Folks do not lose hope. Sending you prompt healing and solace thoughts from France.
You have in one ear or both?
What about hearloss?
The only good thing he said is that benzodiazepines are bad for tinnitus/ auditory damage. Other than that he is wrong as can be. I know more about tinnitus, hyperacucis and noxacusis than his gaslighting self ever will.
Yeah, but I was suicidal with T&H in late 90’s and TRT helped dramatically.
@williamperri3437 sounds like you had anxiety about some mild ringing and sound sensitivity. TRT is just listening to sounds. It doesn't do anything just mask the sound.
@williamperri3437 TRT is the same as listening to sounds. Quit claiming it helped you when you had normal remission or habituated to a very low level of tinnitus and hyperacusis.
@@TheDallasxt Woo! What’s your story man? For real, not being confrontational but I’m trying to figure out where your heads at. First of all, TRT is NOT the same as “listening to sounds” because I followed a very specific protocol over 18 months. And, it was “white noise” which worked for me. Also, the first month the DB level was practically in audible, and every 1 to 3 months there was a very small increase in sound. Even at maximum volume the ear devices were always lower than the ringing in my ears! And, when you say a very low level of tinnitus and hyper is pertaining to me, are you saying that the ringing in my ears wasn’t that loud in my Hyperacusis wasn’t that severe? I may be wrong, but I feel that’s what you’re suggesting because it’s been suggested by many other people over the years when I said I made improvement with TRT. and I can tell you if that’s what you are suggesting let me just give you a quick idea. The ringing in my ears was so loud by the time I was 20 or 21 that I could hear it over a crowd of 7 to 10 people talking or walking down a crowded street. hyperacusis severity? I’m pretty sure there’s not a specific scale for measuring the severity of Hyperacusis but from what I was experiencing and From 25 years of dealing with other people if there is a level 10 I was a 9.8! I’m talking about so sensitive to sound that I could not tolerate my dogs tail wagging and hitting the couch! Of course chewing potato chips and nuts was a problem 90% of the time, then there’s door knobs opening and closing, the wind blowing, taking a shower, flushing the toilet, most peoples voices, my voice, oh and clearly the dreaded clinging and clanging of silverware and plates. Oh, I almost forgot about just turning my head on the pillow. Yeah buddy after over a decade of gunshot level snare drums, Marshall stacks, gigging playing being on tour, and never wearing earplugs and then the dreaded summer of 1997 I’d say I had basically a level of tinnitus and Hyperacusis that could not be any more severe. I can hear my ears ringing over almost anything. Running, crying freaking out, stretching running Moore smoking weed deep breathing meditation still insanity in my ears, still thinking how am I not going to kill myself how can I even consider surviving this if this stays this way for the rest of my life. Naturally I thought who would not kill their self this is torture! Nothing was working at Best I’d get 10 to 25% improvement for two or three days and then a severe relapse but I had about 18 months of total torture from sound with none of the above really working until I tried TRT through Gail Brenner at the University of Pennsylvania. Hearing technology associates.
Now, I hope that was clear cause I’m doing voice text at 7 AM in the morning, and let me add you are coming off next level beyond negative, and I say that with sympathy because if I never got better since 1997 and I had to deal with this relentless torture for almost 30 years I’d be bitter as hell too. Maybe you’ll feel better that I’ve been having relapses for the past 25 years and I was never completely healed from TRT maybe that’ll make you feel better. But! If I didn’t try to go back to being a musician, and I wasn’t riding a motorcycle as well within a year and a half of a bit of recovery i’m pretty sure by two years of TRT I would’ve been fully functional aside from going into loud sporting events with people whistling etc. I would’ve been 85 to 90% recovered but not being a professional musician anymore probably some people say I would’ve but it seems that’s not the case. I do know one thing TRT has helped countless people and it is the best thing I’ve ever done for this condition. No I’m not capable of saying TRT is a cure for Hyperacusis but I can definitely say it can dramatically help Hyperacusis and change your life under the right circumstances. Maybe not everybody, but many. As for tinnitus? TRT is the number 1 best thing. It was a miracle worker. Brought my tinnitus down 75 to 90%, in fact, I remember having to listen for the ringing in my ears it was so distant and low and then when I finally heard it it was just like a dull white noise that was very tolerable. My brain habituated the ringing in my ears ! But, I went back to trying to play drums, I went back to trying to get a major label record deal, I went back to jamming with my friends, and playing with people that produced flaming lips albums, and worked with NIN, and started bands with members of Maroon 5. You gotta stop being so damn negative and open your mind up you are not an authority on anything other than yourself brother!
You lost me at TRT is not just listening to sounds. Wish i had what you have. You should be thankful you didn't get more damage.
@williamperri3437
TRT is a crock.
Worked for me. Not a total healing but helped immensely.
Doesn't work for a vast majority of patients, (tried it myself) its like saying a good leeching helped your blood pressure, sure it benefited you but the modal model was outdated and wasn't optimal when it came to treating the condition for a vast majority..@@williamperri3437
@williamperri3437 resting auditory system would of helped you more.
I`m not flag waver, I`m not having financial interest in having tinnitus and I`m not on any drugs. I`m having TRT treatment for almost one year with doctor, that has biggest experience (23 years) in TRT (except for Jastreboff himself). I have ear sound-generators. I`m living with a respect to TRT protocol. No improvement so far. We need cure for tinnitus perception. Simple as that. However it is true, that there are some people, that are satisfied from this treatment.
TRT is bullshit. It doesn't work. It's just the same as listening to sound on a speaker all the time. Which is better than pumping sound directly in the ear. You are doing a damaging thing playing sounds so close in your ear. PAWEL Jasterboff is a killer.
No improvement so far because it's not a treatment. You would be better of resting your auditory system. Instead you are pumping more sound into it and could be fatiguing it more.
When one has a choice of taking his life away or use clonazepam to reduce tinnitus I choose clonazepam. I suffer less and I can actually function.
me but with Xanax
I understand, but how long before it stops working?
Shit is poison.. you are killing yourself taking that and everything will get worse.
I saw Pawel Jastreboff at a grocery store in Warsaw yesterday. I told him how he was holding back the entire audiology field, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for evidence TRT works or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
A Quiet life, rest, time, no drugs, no meds, grounding, cold bath, eating healthy, posture work, tmj work & living in the country & wear ear pro doing anything remotely loud should be the only thing promoted for ear damage. Ears should be protecter like fine china from day one. No vaccines at birth, no penie cutting. Let a baby be all natural and promote a quiet peaceful life for them & they will grow up strong.
impossible in today's world.
@@danielbroomhall8882 don't have a kid then if you think that way.
Agreed, TRT and a med only worsened my auditory damage. Now I'm in a homebound tortured hell wishing I never tried any of it, only time and silence helps me. Anyone who disagrees doesn't have bad damage.
I STOPPED TAKING AMLODIPINE AND MY TINNITUS WENT AWAY .
urine-therapy for tinnitus is pouring & pooling some of your own (sterile) urine which heals wounds in your ear for a short while, regularly to help restore ear hair follicles properly based on your particular biology.
Good sounds to tune into are open windows, some background music or show or especially the outside breeze, birds chirping or wind gusts or oceanside tide etc. (potentially"pink noise" or organic pink noise / ocean tide played through open-ear headphones to also hear ambient acoustic sounds inclusively) regularly or often, thus combining physical and mental neural pathways plasticity restoration recovery. Plus, protect yourself and reduce or eliminate stress, strain and abuse on the body and mind to allow steadfast recuperation
Literally taking the piss! 😂
All thanks to Dr. Akintola, the buzzing sound in my ear has finally stop...life is back again.
🕊
I don’t see why what he’s saying is so controversial. I have tinnitus. It’s like a *LOUD* tea kettle in my head. Like sight, it never goes away: 24/7/infinity. Unrelenting. One can only learn to ignore it - Jedi style. I’m not there yet.
Hi Harry, did you manage to habituate your tinnitus?
You can only speak like this because you don't have hyperacusis. Tinnitus has no limit and can make you homebound with noxacusis and hyperacusis. Pain with all sound and increased ringing with all sound...no way to think away from it.
@@TheDallasxt Yeah, keep copypasting your nonsense everywhere you see someone who succesfully followed this therapy. Says a lot about yourself, mr. attention-seeker.
@@TheDallasxt The fact you copypaste the same message you sent me already says enough about you.
@wolterzz3267 quiet is the best "treatment " for a damaged auditory system.
Ma nessuno ha capito che vogliamo un farmaco per guarire
People here seem to forget that 80% of the people who followed this therapy actually managed to cope with the fact that they had tinnitus and lead a normal life again.
They should take that into account next time before they make a comment about it.
Yes! I was one of them
It's not the most optimal form of dealing with it though, no one is saying that coping doesn't help but focusing on it in lieu of more effective treatments is kinda fucked, there are better methodologies that mainstream audiology is being distracted from.
why are you saying cope??? your first comment said reducing noise to low level or disappearing all together
You can only speak like this and have this view because you have damage but its not as bad as it can get. What you are saying is basically my sprained ankle is easy to think away from and the guy with his leg caught in a bear trap is just not thinking away from his leg pain. Wake up. Stop gaslighting. Tinnitus has no limit and can make you homebound with noxacusis and hyperacusis. Pain with all sound and increased ringing with all sound...no way to think away from it. Auditory damage has no limit... how are people so ignorant.
@@TheDallasxt I don't gaslight. I'm being objective. The majority of tinnitus patients have no problems with their tinnitus. But some people here, yourself included, tries to say otherwise. Now that's gaslighting.