This is actually the most valuable preamble for a field test you've ever done. Great context for everyone's thoughts on the trail. Looking forward to the harvest
5:26 my sentiments exactly, was about to order the new Orbea Occam LT but noticed they switched to through headset cable routing 😕 so I will buy something else.
This is spot on guys! Thank you! I want external cables, easy repair, no rattle, not so long chainstays, long dropper 180-210mm not too much travel, because I like jumping fun and nice cornering. Weight about 15-16kg - because very light bike is less stable downhills. Oh I just forgot - I already have it - Kona Process 153 AL custom build :-D :-D
I think most bikes with long seat tube are the one that really need that length because the frame design forces a kink in the seat tube close to the upper link pivot. Then the straight section of the seat tube from that kink up has to have certain length to provide enough insertion depth for a dropper seatpost. If it was shorter then you couldn't install longer dropper anyway because they have longer insertion depths. I know this sucks but it is not that the manufacturer doesn't want to make it shorter. Moving the pivot placement would not work for their suspension idea.
I was wondering if PB was going to do something this season. Late it seems. But better late than... After watching this vid, however, it looks like there's just one bike out of the lot that I have interest in. Can't say I'm not disappointed. I suppose I shouldn't think of this next series as a 'buyers guide', considering the exotic tastes of the Pink Bike commentators. Those who have no budget for an Unno will have to look elsewhere to learn about that bike down at their LBS that they have their eye on. Let them eat cake.
I do my own maintenance and repairs so easy to work on and no proprietary parts is a huge thing. On proprietary parts it can make local availability a nightmare so end up with high shipping costs and delays for something simple
And the same question we've asked every year since 2021. Is this years crop actually better than the Specialized Enduro or Rocky Mountain Altitude haha.
I’m 5’10” and ride a large bike. In have short legs so in like that the seat droppers are smaller as both I and an “average” person can use the same dropper - I can’t use a longer one that may suit leggier riders better.
gearbox is a no brainer for enduro bikes, and needle bearings in the linkage would be nice, using things that are actually correctly designed for their use case yknow.
I'm callin my 29 Devinci Kobain Hardtail a Hardtail Enduro these days, it can do everything except stupidly bumpy slower root sections that for me feel like having full sus wouldnt help at all. Its probably not quite as capable of huge drops due to lack of rear suspension, frame could snap if the landing is too flat but yeah, hardtail enduro wins the fun factor
I went 160/160 Lyric and Ultimate Air, Pedals great and still is pretty fun on calm trails. Feels Amazing at speed though, the silence it something I have never known. It's great.@@Tequila628
Really good video but I notice always with this kid of topic I cannot follow along. I've been mountainbiking for years now, but to understand what all the geometry and suspension stuff really means in the field, one really needs to have tried out a lot of different bikes combined with a lot of technical preknowledge.
Mines a 170mm. I’d prefer a shorter dropper to be the right height as opposed to a slammed taller dropper. I’m about to guess this is why the PB crew for 2024 expect shorter seat tubes.
Having raced quite a few regional enduros I find that from the race perspective the nuances of the bike matter way less than the fitness and skill of the rider. Especially around me, if the rider is fit, then they've already beat half the field. For the bike, it better pedal/pump well and it sure as hell better have a bottle cage.
@@WasntMeMTB As a BMXer, I love it lol. It's funny how bikes with low slung top tubes were considered 'womens bikes' for so long. While us BMX and trials riders were awkwardly looking over at them and how compelling they look. It will be interesting to see if it's the future of MTB or still too extreme. Because top tubes are lower than they were 10 years ago, no doubt.
@@WasntMeMTB I mean I was under the assumption it's still to provide structural rigidity to that part of the bike. Which may seem counterintuitive initially. But basically you are effectively wrapping/sheathing the entire dropper post in a nice tube of high quality carbon. The alternative is of course chopping the tube so it's shorter (seemingly stronger?) BUT it's possible that post then has more leverage when leaning against that short piece of seat tube. Potentially causing stress fractures at the clamp area. Which is already a suspect area due to the clamping itself. Not sure if that design would be better or worse... With aluminum. Obviously aluminum usually doesn't clamp crack it just holds until a major failure. I ain't no engineer lol
I have 4k and also a carbon stumpjumper that I am currently trying to sell, I am looking for a good enduro and as of now I only have been searching for nomads and bronsons so far but I need other options, I am doing alot of climbing and alot of down hill jumps/ drops/ flow. Can anyone help me with suggestions?
I have a full 29" stage6 speced with xt/xtr drivetrain and 4-piston brakes, ext and fox38 factorysuspension. indestructible skf mtrx bearing and it is handbuilt in uk. for 4k you can have it and keep the stumpy
I was so disappointed by Norco, i had a Norco Sight and cracked the frame after 3 days in Whistler, many of my friends cracked their Range and Aurum too. Customer service said to me the Sight is not designed to go to a bikepark lol.
Kind of a strange and useless comparison for most people really. PB has way too much love for the oddball boutique bikes lately. Test would be way more relevant with mainstream bikes, even if you've "tested" them before. A shootout is different than a solo test.
I've watched pros race enduros on 120 travel trail bikes and XC tires, and win. Outside of some enduros in the PNW or Europe or EDR level stuff, you can be competitive in most enduros on a trail bike. I raced my first one on a Ripmo and the bike did fine, my skills were another story haha
More choices between wheel sizes, not including the inbred mullet, 29 only and 27.5 only. Have both styles for both riders and moods. The majority of riders aren't racers and learning some skills before rolling over everything is going to make a better rider safer, more versed and a wider palette of fun!
@@dantindley5181 well, BMX's have fairly tall stacks, so no. But although I love slack and long, the ultra-low trend is ridiculous. Only serves well those who want to corner berm style turns with a flat stance. Comfy but unnecessary, as you can effectively lower your CG by slightly lowering the rear foot...
@@uldi1s if youre any taller than 5'11 like i am a tall stack is very necessary as anything lower than 630mm on an enduro bike can get wildly uncomfortable after a long day of riding. And i wouldn't call the 500mm stack of a bmx tall ny any stretch
@@dantindley5181 Well, I am 6'2", and still hate tall stacks. But to be fair there may be other ingredients to take into account, as I have ultra long arms and legs...
It was so unwitty to call this sport "enduro". The confusion with MX in the web is horrid... In our group, we get people not into MTB or irrelevant MX ads. 🙄
Stop it guys you dont have a choice you're just presenters period. Its the management and sponsors decision" try to shove that to your brains! Keep your opinions to yourselves 👻
Can’t wait to see how many times that Trek drops it’s chain.
Hahahahahahha 😂 exactly my thoughts
Ditto
It is chain?
Depends how often they pay pinkbike for comercials. If Trek is a good customer then the Review will be good.
@@shredthetrack6858 💯
This is actually the most valuable preamble for a field test you've ever done. Great context for everyone's thoughts on the trail. Looking forward to the harvest
5:26 my sentiments exactly, was about to order the new Orbea Occam LT but noticed they switched to through headset cable routing 😕 so I will buy something else.
This is spot on guys! Thank you! I want external cables, easy repair, no rattle, not so long chainstays, long dropper 180-210mm not too much travel, because I like jumping fun and nice cornering. Weight about 15-16kg - because very light bike is less stable downhills. Oh I just forgot - I already have it - Kona Process 153 AL custom build :-D :-D
Absolutely stoked for this... my favourite time of year where PB puts bikes through their paces on our gnarly west coast trails 🤘
Looking forward to this one. Not in the market for a new FS rig...but always fun to see what's out there
I think most bikes with long seat tube are the one that really need that length because the frame design forces a kink in the seat tube close to the upper link pivot. Then the straight section of the seat tube from that kink up has to have certain length to provide enough insertion depth for a dropper seatpost. If it was shorter then you couldn't install longer dropper anyway because they have longer insertion depths. I know this sucks but it is not that the manufacturer doesn't want to make it shorter. Moving the pivot placement would not work for their suspension idea.
Well, they could have gone with a frame design that allows longer dropper and they chose not to.
I think servicability should be a big factor. I dont wanna miss out a service interval because taking apart the bike is a nightmare.
The best field test of the Year here it comes
I was wondering if PB was going to do something this season. Late it seems.
But better late than...
After watching this vid, however, it looks like there's just one bike out of the lot that I have interest in. Can't say I'm not disappointed. I suppose I shouldn't think of this next series as a 'buyers guide', considering the exotic tastes of the Pink Bike commentators. Those who have no budget for an Unno will have to look elsewhere to learn about that bike down at their LBS that they have their eye on. Let them eat cake.
I do my own maintenance and repairs so easy to work on and no proprietary parts is a huge thing.
On proprietary parts it can make local availability a nightmare so end up with high shipping costs and delays for something simple
UDH is cool even if you’re not doing to use SRAM transmission
I wonder what the bike covered in the corner is @0:41
Stoked for this series!
number 700 heck yea and im currently running a hardcore hardtail and an enduro is my next big purchase
And the same question we've asked every year since 2021. Is this years crop actually better than the Specialized Enduro or Rocky Mountain Altitude haha.
Looking forward to the Pole review!
That Pole bike looks amazing
I’ll personally rank it the worst looking bike ever
@@youling1997 that surely means it's gonna ride amazing
That bike is probably the ugliest bike I’ve ever seen in my life…but I respect your opinion bruv!
i've only ridden a few.. but that propain Tyee is CHOICE
Except for that 55mm stroke shock. Really limits the bike to smaller riders ... like Remy haha
eh, it's still 160 travel. im running a Jade X and it's pretty smooth. @@mrvwbug4423
@@mrvwbug4423 please explain how shock's travel corresponds with the shorter riders.
I’m 5’10” and ride a large bike. In have short legs so in like that the seat droppers are smaller as both I and an “average” person can use the same dropper - I can’t use a longer one that may suit leggier riders better.
gearbox is a no brainer for enduro bikes, and needle bearings in the linkage would be nice, using things that are actually correctly designed for their use case yknow.
HELL YES LET'S GET IT!!!
Big ass bearings, forged monolinks, nice hardware with expansion features to delash frame. Why is nobody talking about this.
Finally one of the new Pole bikes!
Levy? I hardly knew yee 🥲
Very hyped for this
hey guys , suggestion here . Could you please upgrade to a higher Frames per second recording , the current fps is making the video jittery
I'm callin my 29 Devinci Kobain Hardtail a Hardtail Enduro these days, it can do everything except stupidly bumpy slower root sections that for me feel like having full sus wouldnt help at all. Its probably not quite as capable of huge drops due to lack of rear suspension, frame could snap if the landing is too flat but yeah, hardtail enduro wins the fun factor
As a Proud 23' Tyee owner I'm dying to see what The Pink Bikes have to say.
Looking to buy one, what's your height, inseam and frame size?
@@Tequila628 Take me out to dinner first, you sly devil you haha! 6’2, 34”, XL
Burgers or Pizza? I'll definitely go with an XL then, thanks @@DeandreMurray
I went 160/160 Lyric and Ultimate Air, Pedals great and still is pretty fun on calm trails. Feels Amazing at speed though, the silence it something I have never known. It's great.@@Tequila628
Still waiting for proper test new Meta v5🙄
Check out Jon Mottern's review on a V5 29er.
Could you guys compare the revel rail29 to the hd6 some way? Two very nice bikes imo and I hesitate which one to buy
Cool diverse bikes!!!
a suggesttion i wanna make is to put time stamps/ chapters in videos
Guys… How do U like (or not) Met Vanguard? What are its pros and cons?
Really good video but I notice always with this kid of topic I cannot follow along. I've been mountainbiking for years now, but to understand what all the geometry and suspension stuff really means in the field, one really needs to have tried out a lot of different bikes combined with a lot of technical preknowledge.
Honestly the perfect dropper length for me is 150mm
Mines a 170mm. I’d prefer a shorter dropper to be the right height as opposed to a slammed taller dropper. I’m about to guess this is why the PB crew for 2024 expect shorter seat tubes.
200mm is OK for me, but I can move up to 230mm.
low anti rise value or high anti rise value? which is better and why?
Ohhhhhhhh this is where he went 😇 👍🏼
I want a threaded BB to start with
That nicolai might be an aluminium bike to consider
what a great bunch of bakes
I'll ring the bell when the bike is "poppy and playful" "good and efficient climber and stable and planted when pointed down"
Having raced quite a few regional enduros I find that from the race perspective the nuances of the bike matter way less than the fitness and skill of the rider. Especially around me, if the rider is fit, then they've already beat half the field. For the bike, it better pedal/pump well and it sure as hell better have a bottle cage.
And still wins bike of the year.
Is it possible to get that pinkbike longsleeve?
I want you create a new enduro bike!!!! (donut docet😛😂)
200mm droppers should be standard on all size frames.
Is that a frame crack at 2:25?
A lot of mullets in this years lineup
I am waiting for the fist fight video, where Monopoly dolla doola bills rain down.
Now do it all again with riders on small/xs bikes.
Looks like a lot of EDR riders are going back to less travel and steeper head tubes
Niceeee! I've waiting the whole year for this so stokeeed! I would love to know if they're doing an ebike field test
love how far Henry has come from GMBN
Unless it's $10,000 it's junk. Everyone knows the most expensive bike is the best and it changes every year. 🧐
short seat tubes
Pinkbike nailed with the bike lineup!
Most important topic they did not talk about price companies need to chill as they don’t cost fortune to make
well I think Scott didn't listen to this video before making the new Ransom...
Does it have to have rear travel?
Yes, hardtails are stupid for trail riding/enduro/downhill and they destroy your knees.
Maybe these guys should get together and design a bike🤔
UNNO Burn is gonna smash this test... Likely even harder than it smashes your bank account...
Looks like a sailboat with that mast & costs just as much..
@@WasntMeMTB As a BMXer, I love it lol. It's funny how bikes with low slung top tubes were considered 'womens bikes' for so long. While us BMX and trials riders were awkwardly looking over at them and how compelling they look. It will be interesting to see if it's the future of MTB or still too extreme. Because top tubes are lower than they were 10 years ago, no doubt.
@TeddyParker I love the low top tube and standover height, really not a fan of long seat tubes though! No need at all with the droppers available now.
@@WasntMeMTB I mean I was under the assumption it's still to provide structural rigidity to that part of the bike. Which may seem counterintuitive initially. But basically you are effectively wrapping/sheathing the entire dropper post in a nice tube of high quality carbon. The alternative is of course chopping the tube so it's shorter (seemingly stronger?) BUT it's possible that post then has more leverage when leaning against that short piece of seat tube. Potentially causing stress fractures at the clamp area. Which is already a suspect area due to the clamping itself. Not sure if that design would be better or worse... With aluminum. Obviously aluminum usually doesn't clamp crack it just holds until a major failure. I ain't no engineer lol
Take Atheron, Forbidden and Deviate into eqation
I have 4k and also a carbon stumpjumper that I am currently trying to sell, I am looking for a good enduro and as of now I only have been searching for nomads and bronsons so far but I need other options, I am doing alot of climbing and alot of down hill jumps/ drops/ flow. Can anyone help me with suggestions?
My previous bikes were a Ripmo AF , meta AM and just got a new spectral CF8 mullet. It’s my fave by a long shot so far 😊
I have a full 29" stage6 speced with xt/xtr drivetrain and 4-piston brakes, ext and fox38 factorysuspension. indestructible skf mtrx bearing and it is handbuilt in uk. for 4k you can have it and keep the stumpy
Woohoo
liked cuz dario
My norco range is definitely not an enduro bike .maybe if you link a steroid’s subscription to the purchase
I was so disappointed by Norco, i had a Norco Sight and cracked the frame after 3 days in Whistler, many of my friends cracked their Range and Aurum too. Customer service said to me the Sight is not designed to go to a bikepark lol.
Giga
Kind of a strange and useless comparison for most people really. PB has way too much love for the oddball boutique bikes lately. Test would be way more relevant with mainstream bikes, even if you've "tested" them before. A shootout is different than a solo test.
am I the only one that felt really weirded out by that bike with the gold seat tube?
pls turn up as pro magazin to upload video in 60 fps bcs its horrable view expirience on oled panels
👍🏼👍🏼
My friend races enduro with his stumpy evo
I've watched pros race enduros on 120 travel trail bikes and XC tires, and win. Outside of some enduros in the PNW or Europe or EDR level stuff, you can be competitive in most enduros on a trail bike. I raced my first one on a Ripmo and the bike did fine, my skills were another story haha
Depends on where you are, the difficulty of the race and the level of your competitors are different
Not all trails are created equally.
More choices between wheel sizes, not including the inbred mullet, 29 only and 27.5 only. Have both styles for both riders and moods. The majority of riders aren't racers and learning some skills before rolling over everything is going to make a better rider safer, more versed and a wider palette of fun!
You want servicability and you are showing Dominion brakes. Good luck with finding parts 😅
Tall stacks and ultra low BB's... no, no, no, no, no
So basically you want a bmx
@@dantindley5181 well, BMX's have fairly tall stacks, so no. But although I love slack and long, the ultra-low trend is ridiculous. Only serves well those who want to corner berm style turns with a flat stance.
Comfy but unnecessary, as you can effectively lower your CG by slightly lowering the rear foot...
@@uldi1s if youre any taller than 5'11 like i am a tall stack is very necessary as anything lower than 630mm on an enduro bike can get wildly uncomfortable after a long day of riding. And i wouldn't call the 500mm stack of a bmx tall ny any stretch
@@dantindley5181 Well, I am 6'2", and still hate tall stacks.
But to be fair there may be other ingredients to take into account, as I have ultra long arms and legs...
@@uldi1s well being 6'3 with a 38' inseam, my current bike with a 650mm stack still hurts my back because its still to low.
phew, I don't need to drop $8k on a new bike just yet.
Just wait til the end of the season, and get an $8k bike for $5k like I just did with my new bike. RM Altitude C70 for a hair over 5k :)
Hey henry try speaking English.....lmfao
So basically buy what you want and ride it like you stole it.
Pinkduro- 10 water bottles, climbs better than XC, the most expensive useless wireless drivetrain, descending doesnt matter and a Canada ego mmmmmm!
2nd
Sausage Party
What about a light YT Izzo with gnarly tires on it?
What about it?
It's basically a downcountry bike.
wrong geo
Please for the love of god, get rid of Henry. He sounds like he's chewing on marbles. He's horrible
It was so unwitty to call this sport "enduro". The confusion with MX in the web is horrid... In our group, we get people not into MTB or irrelevant MX ads. 🙄
Not a valid video unless the Arrival podiums
First
Didnt know Jeffrey Dahmer rides MTB?
lol, he offed Levy and took over
Blah blah blah blah mumbo jumbo
Stop it guys you dont have a choice you're just presenters period. Its the management and sponsors decision" try to shove that to your brains! Keep your opinions to yourselves 👻
Running out of videos to make