Thanks Frank for the info. I repowered 18 months ago with an etec g2 300hp. It has been one issue after another. My dealer has gone above and beyond trying to get the motor to run correctly. I found this post searching "excessive knock" which is my latest issue. My motor runs great and then for no discernable reason, reduces power to idle with the code "excessive knock". Once at idle, it normally let's me power right back up and can last a few minutes or an hour. I'll share your findings with my dealer and see where that gets me. I certainly have no desire to run 30-40 miles offshore until these issues get resolved. BRP's sudden announcement to stop making Evinrude motors was a surprise after nearly 115 years, or was it.......
Ditto, I have a 2018 G2 and suddenly I'm getting this same excessive knock and reducing to idle. Code also said bad fuel service soon, so I talked to repairman and they think bad fuel. I always carefully treat my fuel so thats strange, but I use 87 octane no name fuel. Repair said to burn off, or remove remaining fuel and refuel and stick with name brand 91 octane. Havent done it yet, thats weird too because etec emphasizes runs fine on 87 octane. Guess I shoulda got a Yamaha
I have 2 e-tecs on the back of my boat for the last 4 years and I run them hard all summer off Gloucester Ma.. High RPM in high seas all the time. I've never had to bring my boat to the dealer for work, I have a crappy laptop and the right software to do it all myself and I'm 58 year tech shithead but manage easily. Motors get plugs and a new water pump and thermos every year even though they don't even need them, that's it and they run as good now as the day they were installed. My most concerning code ever pulled from emm was wrong barometric signal and that looks to be from having the air box off the motor at the time. If your having a problem with getting the service records from diff dealers, do it your self I know exactly what's been done to mine since day 1 Get your hands a bit dirty and save the cry
As a technician it is my responsibility to know and be qualified on the equipment I'm working on to quickly and accurately diagnose problems and inspect for any potential failures. It's the shops responsibility to know the type of work that can be done there before accepting any work to be done and taking responsibility for the work that is performed. You should look at any explanation of a problem with logic to determine either they are blowing off excuses because they don't know how to work on the equipment and to get you on down the road to make it another shops problem or are they trying to make a problem that should be covered under warranty into a bill that brings in thousands to the shop. All EFI motors will have a knock sensor. Running with a cylinder down is much better than running with detonation in the cylinder and having the motor grenade while 100 miles out.
I loved your videos, great work. I'm an engineer and product manager but not in the boating industry. When a company has a product near the top, they invest most of their money into it to stay at the top of their game. When they're not satisfied, like in Evinrude's case, they may launch a new product to catapult to the top. The problem with that, they generally underestimate the effort and have a small team, resulting in schedules that took way too long, and this is the case here. Pressure mounts and they are forced to release it to the market without proper testing. Which is also the case here. It is a pity because we will never know the potential of this new and very innovative technology. May have needed another two years of testing and small incremental changes. What I'm more curious about, is why the technology has not been picked up by another manufacturer, of course there's more to the story and they certainly had theses discussions, 2-stroke may have a stigma attach to it that nobody wants their money invested in it. Obviously I'm writing this after Evinrude stopped production, did you ever get compensated by them? These stories are not uncommon even for large manufacturers.
Airated water off the running surface of a hull is a true issue. Mercury actually put a dealer video together back in the 90’s with under water cameras capturing this situation. Typically caused by long hull chines with sharp edge stops. Stepped hulls disturbed a wide surface that it typically does not create this direct problem area.
I was seriously considering this exact motor for my new 24 bay boat but this video saved me from it... have no idea why other than what I have heard about the fuel efficiency claims... have 1200 hrs on my 2014 yamaha 250... it has had zero issues and i have not been easy on it... have heard a ton of BS about this thing now.. Yamerhammer all the way!
Enthused with the amount of time you have put in studying your G2s. I am in same boat, no pun intended. I am retired and purchased a bay boat with a 2006 115hp etec (not G2) in December of 2021. I have had it in water 2 times since then, and in shop rest of time due to overheating. Water pump, water pressure valve, 2 thermostats have been replaced. Each time I am told it's ready, pick it up, put in water to test and guess what, hot after about 4 minutes. I am presently trying to figure it out my self, tired of spending money on it.Hope we can get our problems solved soon.
Understand why Evinrude tried to differentiate themselves; but if you don’t have a sure fire product that out performs competitors in every aspect your days are probably numbered. Love their forward thinking. Wouldn’t want to face the CEO at Bombardier.
I worked at Evinrude in the late 90’s. Evinrude was the worlds largest marine company making good engines for years and years. They basically failed because they made EVERYTHING on the engines in their own factories and had a huge engineering group. The opening of global markets driving costs down and a large pension payroll pushed them into bankruptcy. BRP bought the company and a couple assets. BRP is Evinrude and put their stamp on everything. They built a whole new factory from the ground up and outsourced all the components. Funny to see how many parts on the engine are made in China. The joke was they employed more accountants than engineers. The wanted the technology to put into their other products jet boats, skidoo and others. Evinrude engineers had rotax engines in test dyno’s with the direct injection systems back in 99’.
I got bad engines before sounds like a nightmare dealing with who you had to. I got a 2020 G1 Etec 150HO i have not had one issue My boat went from 26 mph 5500rpm to now 36 5100rpm i got 600-750 rpm left it sets low on transom gonna try up a hole or two see if rpm gains. Plate is under water about 1/2 inch say should be just plane Has plenty of get Up out the Hole and on Plane!!! Fuel milage is great!!! I paid $11,500 installed new controls! I hope they get it right for you and you get a chance to run them Etec 300's!!! I love it i could afford a 150ho 300 was out my price range for sure. Sucks you got a bad engine i hope it all get worked out !!!! Long Live The Two Strokes !!!
Stainless Reed's can damage an engine for sure but most of the time they pass through the engine and score the cylinder cause major damage but never have I seen one stop and engine dead. Carbon Reed's are the way to go but the service life is shorter.
G1 against G2 300hp motors had similar issues; hot spots in the block, melting exhaust tube, water pressure relief value and EMM failure codes burning into memory. I believe BRP management wanted a new motor so bad to stop the issues, the pushed out the G2 out a couple years too early. Needed more time to find and fix the issues you have described in your videos
I have a 2019 g2 200 2 hours into the motor engine broke they sent a new power head now my power steering is leaking badly and cannot get parts was wondering if you ever sued them that’s my next step!!!
Mr. Hill, Thank you so much for all your work and making this public. I thought I was the only one. Can you please send me any additional information. For some reason, I cannot find video 5. Are the recalls you mention actual recalls? Now, I am scared shitless that my engine is going to explode. My dealer is, I am sure, stuck in the middle. Just received a letter from BRP that Evinrude is no more. Is your lawyer going for a class action? Or can he recommend a lawyer in Ohio to help?
Was in the end it was bad reed Or came loose? I was wondering why if air or something not other engine. Sounds like idiots doing maintenance. Check every nut and bolts before i run out 25 miles off shore is what i do. Havent had loose reed issues but have had nut or bolt loosen. Its an engine it vibrates. I learned to check everything touch everything put a wrench or socket to it. Most Important Have SeaTow or Boat Tow USA Or whoever but someone to help. So are you thinkin about sellin this engine for ? Or both ? Id hope you give it a real 100 hours I love the power and have no problem runnin down 200 4 strokes on boats my boats size about 21 ft walk around Anyways im just a happy owner who was gonna get a 4 stroke The new tech is outstanding of direct injection. The G1 i got because less high tech lol Hope it gets better
we have still yet to hear what actually happened. you have made several accusations. what is the dealership that you say is the best at rigging them? where are they, are they a brp dealership?
is there any way are a place to go to see repair or warranty recalls, or consumer reports for outboard motors? all brands have some problems and we only hear about the bad ones or a guy who had bad luck.
I have dual 4 stroke Yamahas on my saltwater boat and I will repower with etecs for the extra power and fuel economy all brands will have issues. I think Mercury is the worst you don't see them over 200 hours without a power head rebuild
Don’t try to use troll tactics on Yamaha and Mercury to cover the problems with Evinrude’s outboards. Your comment about Mercury exposes your ignorance and stupidity.
The picture of the girl in the back ground is disturbing, and I have the new g2 motor and it runs great with no problems and they have good to me. I had a Yamaha v max, it blew up
Well, as a boat owner for 25 years, I had a Merc V8 on a 29-footer that kept sucking valves. Yep. Got up to 11k in repairs out of pocket and said, Okay, I know what to do, simple: Got a good lawyer, filed suit against the dealer and Merc, won it, got them TO TAKE BACK THE BOAT, and furnish me with a 40-foot ship, instead of the 29. MORAL: Everybody loves to bitch about lawyers, but there are times when you NEED A GOOD ONE. As long as people misbehave, we need lawyers.... So I advise: Quit fucking around and get a good lawyer. You are waaaaaaaay beyond what any dealer or factory can do for you.
All these but hurt evinrude owners commenting on how good their motors are dont seem to realize that all brands have issues and just because urs work dont mean mine 100% will. Its the after sales service that counts and when manufacturers blame users or make excuses/theorys that makes a poor experience.
aha at 4:30 " #3 cylinder only fired 5 hrs out of 32hrs of service" Told ya it fired, or it wouldn't have been sooty the butt splice was a bad idea from the get go...and surely they are replacement plug wires available even in Nassau. all new engines have a knock sensors , not just evinrude But the ladder vibrating setting off the knock sensor is pretty funny, agreed. bad theory. Knock sensors have been around for a while. re: software revision, interesting that other motors were having knock sensor issues. at 12:50 - I don't know I'm starting to see things your way....not many stepped hulls in Wisconsin....but why just cyl #3 if the water is aerated? at 13:57 - reed valves hanging on by a thread!! well simple fix is loctite...but the sooty spark plug should have been a clue to the mech that A/F ratio was jacked...and if the factory told the mech to check the reed valves way back in nassau, did he fix the issue? If so why did the cyl #3 acted up again in hour 2 coming back to you in exuma on the second time. again starting to see things your way now :-)
Hello Mr. Hills thank you for posting this series of videos, they have been very helpful to me. My case is the same as yours and l still have the problem. Would you be so kind to disclose the name of the dealer who helped you here in Florida, also the lawyer who is helping you in this case? I will need their help also. Again thank you for your honesty, it helped me a lot to know that I was not the only one.
I really wanted a etec gen 1 200hp, but didn’t trust the G2. Too much tech and electronics for a water environment. The problems make sense knowing BRP just pulled the plug on Evinrude. Glad i Went with a Suzuki DF200A with mechanical controls. On the gulf coast, I see the majority of the off shore charters dropping yamahas for Suzukis. If the charters trust going to Suzuki, there must be a good reason.
I have a hard time seeing Evinrude not just giving you a dressed powerhead. I think the dealer is the issue. I had an alarm on my 2018 G2 250 for excessive knock on cylinder number 5 a few weeks back. Brought it to my dealer and Evinrude sent a fully dressed powerhead no questions asked.
Been around outboards, and inside outboards nearly all my life. $300k losses due to a faulty outboard ? From a business sense, are we not supposed to doubt this, or at least laugh ?
Did you almost single handedly kill Evinrude sales and sink there E-Tec division? A guy at my job was tasked with repowering the company boat and mentioned E-Tec. I had watched your videos and urged him to reconsider and watch your series. So last year he buys E-Tec anyways. Now they stopped production, and I'm counting the days to catastrophe. There is enough room for him to install a double set of orr locks to viking style row that thing back to shore though. Evinrude folks mention market share, four stroke engines, and the virus but a product they claim was better than there four stroke competitors would have survived. In a screwed up kind of way, the screwed unfortunately being you. There is some satisfaction in Evinrude not making anymore of those engines anymore.
No sir. Evinrude destroyed itself by making an inferior product and then using modern communication methods to spread a massive propaganda campaign. Satisfaction came last December when Evinrude once again denied the warranty claim on a motor with 100hrs on it. I simply told the dealer to remove the motors and keep them for his personal boat. The attorney I engaged in Florida informed me that me already has 7 of the same cases against Evinrude and that he himself was in the same predicament. He had two of these motors on his own boat. His advice? Buy new motors at the boat show. He had litigation we Evinrude three previous occasions. All ended the same, his client spent 40-50k in lawyer fees. Evinrude provided a new motor. The end
I have a 25hp etec that has never been right. It has ruined every fishing trip I have ever taken with it. Is there any legal action being taken that you’re aware ?
@@davidgill9840 Thanks for responding David. If you don't mind sharing, what problems did you encounter w/ your 25hp e'tec . I ask because I bought a used motor & don't have any experience w/ this model. It starts , runs , pumps & I just mounted it on my boat (15ft) today . Any heads up would be appreciated on its problematic operations for you .
How did you make out with your motor. My brother-in-law just over heated his etec with 350 hours in it. It locked up even after a full service. What junk motors.
i suspected the software program issue. BRP did not put it the new g2 for the real rough water test. it is their fault. it is not a joke when you are in the rough ocean. BRP must improve the testing flawlessly. with all my respect. it was the once the best. over confident QC department.
It has been 6 months. Can you let us know where you are now with this? Is it in a legal status? Based on this, I am done thinking of going to the twin G2's. I will go 4 stroke now period. Those new Merc's are very appealing.
Great for sir I was actually thinking of purchasing a 200 e tech for my bass boat, it's a shame that the highly educated fools at evenrude have no clue what they are doing.
If 2 strokes where the future every single car manufacturer would be sinking millions into R&D and pumping them out. The very moment the motors put my life on the line and failed in the Bahamas they would have been fucking sold. Why waist another second.
It sure doesn't look good on BRP when a division of it's brand appears to be preforming so poorly with a very high dollar product. I'm very curious to know if these E-tec marine engines are developed/engineered solely in-house by Evinrude or if Rotax has any involvement/input? Rotax engines are generally know to be well built/reliable and technically advanced and have been used for decades by BRP. they are competing with likes of Yamaha and Honda in the off-road/off highway markets with great success and you generally don't hear of this non-sense in other parts of the BRP products.
Can you give me the dealer in Florida you are working with? Going through a similar issue. Boat has been in the shop for 39 days so far and they have no clue as to what is causing the problem. Already replaced a power head from a blown cylinder #5 now this issue! Thanks.
I had a 2011 25 horse e tech. That thing left me stranded a lot . I put 1400 dollars In a motor that was seven years old and that sad it had low hours . Finally sold that junk
Runtime hours is not the only reason for having an engine in for routine service. An engine that sits most of its life doesn't mean it doesn't require routine service. That's why there's a 3 year/300 hour recommendation, whichever comes first. Negligence is no excuse.
after having my yamaha stolen,l repowered my robalo with a 2017 etec g2 200 ho. im on my 3rd replacement swivel bracket,steering failed day one, and failed again and again, also had fouled plugs in 20 hours and again at 125 hours,and a bad fuel injector causing my engine to run on 5 cylinders. also the key switch was replaced twice, and then they replaced the harness for the key switch. they keep fixing it. last time the swivel bracket failed i tried a new dealer, so far i have done 50 more hours since the last swivel bracket was installed. i have 367 hours total, would have a lot more but its spent a lot of time in the shop. average use for me is 250 to 300 hours a year. i worry about trolling too long and fouling plugs, shutting it off offshore[key switch], and losing controll of the boat due to faulty swivel brackets, 3 of them so far I spent a fourtune on gassing my truck to pull it to the shop and then pick it up only to have it break again. ps i did get a 10 year warranty. when it runs right it is a great motor
@@OptixLive98 I I think if they continue to do research and development, they're definitely heading in the right direction. Because when it does run right it's straight bad ass and gets 30% better fuel economy that my previous 2016 Yamaha 150 4 stroke. And from 42 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour. I wish Yamaha would copy their 2 stroke direct injected design and make one that isn't plagued with trouble. In my honest opinion the only place that a two-stroke excels over a four stroke is when it's spinning a propeller, tires on pavement would never stopped spinning from the extra power and torque, that's why it's not used for motorcycles, remember the Widowmaker H2 2-stroke 750 Kawasaki that claimed many lives, because of its 2 stroke power curve
BRP really over push with native advertising, in my opinion all the info out there on the web about these outboards is likely very very biased I’ve never had any such issues with any outboard I’ve owned, on the other hand I’ve also never owned an etec I would hate to have the issues and waste of personnel time that this etec seems to be causing you. Money is one thing but waste of time is something I cannot put up with Not sure what to think of this, why are the reeds valves loose???
No way, I didn't know much about E-Tec's but always wondered why I don't see many around up here in the Northeast, im out on the east end of Long Island, but anyway I had heard about them when the ETec first came out years ago, but I just never saw many around……. until I asked my dealer/mechanic, he told me to stay far far away, he said just about every boat in his marina that has an E-Tec on it has had major issues...… No thanks, ill stick with my Suzuki or Yamaha, which there are tons of around my area.... Im looking for a new boat, why do u see cheaper prices on boats that are Etec powered??? Now u know why.... shit company
@@bobbertee5945 suzuki is amazing..except 140 which is shit...I made 2500hrs on the 175 and no issues whatsoever with the engine..only a hydraulic steering line and a ground cable became loose that's it..
R yeah I have the 140 on a 20 ft Key West CC, wonderful motor, excellent fuel economy, still going strong since 2006, probably a little underpowered but it’s been great for me.... either Suzuki or Yamaha.. can’t go wrong..... there is a reason u don’t see many Evinrudes... a lot of dealers don’t want to deal with the headaches....
Are you saying "tits up" as in dead? You seem to be stretching the imagination quite a length to theorize that Evinrude is going out of business based on your primarily anecdotal account here. I don't think it stretches imagination too far to theorize that from the point the captain threw a hissy fit regarding the brand, you allowed that to color your perception of the brand and the process. Even with the best brands, it is going to take a team effort to rectify issues and if one member of the team has already made up their mind that product is poor, they may not be the best team player. At some point it can become more about making a company wrong or bad, or advancing a theory of failure/going "tits-up" rather than efficiently finding a solution to a problem. In the end you are one owner of a used boat with used outboards that has had difficulty with your engines and now we have heard one side of the story. At least you are finding many things to laugh at along the way.
I would sent you a brand new motor if I own the company the motor is a lemon once a while, at the manufacture a bad product slip through but that’s me.
@@trevormitchell4913 If he really had customers lined up he could have bought a new motor or borrowed a boat from a friend? It's just terrible business to throw $300k down the drain over a new $30k motor.
Guess im lucky cause i like things the easy way. It took zero brain power for me to know merc. Was my motor of choice. Just watched the races as a kid and saw who was boss. If you hook that boat to a good ole chevy life is wonderful. Boats are supposed to be fun, not a headache. I try to use simple, tried and true products. What about that 450 R. Evinrude dont want none of that for sure.
@georgio m I prefer to use it on things other than spending a bunch of money only to try find whats wrong with junk shit. If you have any proof that Merc. Doesnt dominate the water then give it. If you cant come up with anything then its all the proof i need about who has the brains. If you like evinrude thats fine, i can see why you are upset, most of yall are. When you tear into that junk and find port work that looks like a child did it you know why merc smokes you in every catagory.
@georgio m ya mine had issues with the power packs. one was 35 horse the other was a 25 horse. the crankshaft bearings went out on the 35 eventualy. but we overworked it because it was on a 18 foot boat.
I must say these videos are the most damaging testimony I have heard about E-TEC. I could only find #1 and #4 so far. My mechanic swears by them. He has an excellent reputation and service center with all the equipment to diagnose pretty much anything. Maintenance is the most important factor in any mechanical vehicle/business fleet, regardless of make or model. This isn't the first horror story I've heard, so I will take it with a grain of salt. Evinrude has been building outboards longer than anybody. And it is my opinion that the brand is under attack. Having said that, Suzuki did build some motors for Evinrude/ Johnson in the past. The G2 technology is impressive.
Technology is impressive? Any monkey can write up a presser about how their tech does this that and the the other thing, why you don't even need controls! Our engine reads your mind and adjusts accordingly! Impressive!! Except it doesn't, what happens is your tech is in the shop 98% of the time as technicians scratch their heads trying to figure out what is wrong with the POS. What's impressive is a machine that with minimal maintenance or even better, aggressive disinterest continues to reliably start and run flawlessly for years. The owner gets tired of the color scheme and gives the working thing to his nephew just to have an excuse to buy a new one. That's impressive. Not the pointless half truths at best spewed by marketing divisions.
I’m not argumentative . I don’t need to explain myself to anyone. They are junk from my experience . I feel no need to explain my experience with them and justify my statement to you. There overpriced junk. As I stated before the older motors in my opinion were way better than what they are producing now. Technology is good to an extent.
I switched to Mercury if you must know. Don’t take it personally that I had a bad experience with an E Tec. With that being said I understand your loyalty to Brp. I believe in my opinion these new Etecs are nothing but trouble.
It’s not what I like better. My Omc motors outperformed ant Mercury I owned to be honest lol. I just don’t feel the need to explain every problem I’ve had with a newer Evinrude. Pretty much I’m simply stating that I had bad luck with Etech. I would be here for two hours listing all ( MY) problems with the new motors.
Unfortunately the dealer is probably the best in the country at rigging these motors. I’ve further contacted BRP general counsel, turns out they are willing to do research and development as long as I pay for it!
Can you provide an update on this? I am dealing with a similar situation, I'm in Florida, boat's been at an Evinrude Platinum Certified dealer for a few weeks and they say that Evinrude is giving them the runaround. How can I contact you?
Sounds like a lot of good people were trying to help you by looking at All the possibilities. Too bad you already developed a hatred for these awesome American Built engines. Shame on you.
Thanks Frank for the info. I repowered 18 months ago with an etec g2 300hp. It has been one issue after another. My dealer has gone above and beyond trying to get the motor to run correctly. I found this post searching "excessive knock" which is my latest issue. My motor runs great and then for no discernable reason, reduces power to idle with the code "excessive knock". Once at idle, it normally let's me power right back up and can last a few minutes or an hour. I'll share your findings with my dealer and see where that gets me. I certainly have no desire to run 30-40 miles offshore until these issues get resolved. BRP's sudden announcement to stop making Evinrude motors was a surprise after nearly 115 years, or was it.......
Ditto, I have a 2018 G2 and suddenly I'm getting this same excessive knock and reducing to idle. Code also said bad fuel service soon, so I talked to repairman and they think bad fuel. I always carefully treat my fuel so thats strange, but I use 87 octane no name fuel. Repair said to burn off, or remove remaining fuel and refuel and stick with name brand 91 octane. Havent done it yet, thats weird too because etec emphasizes runs fine on 87 octane. Guess I shoulda got a Yamaha
I have 2 e-tecs on the back of my boat for the last 4 years and I run them hard all summer off Gloucester Ma.. High RPM in high seas all the time. I've never had to bring my boat to the dealer for work, I have a crappy laptop and the right software to do it all myself and I'm 58 year tech shithead but manage easily. Motors get plugs and a new water pump and thermos every year even though they don't even need them, that's it and they run as good now as the day they were installed. My most concerning code ever pulled from emm was wrong barometric signal and that looks to be from having the air box off the motor at the time. If your having a problem with getting the service records from diff dealers, do it your self I know exactly what's been done to mine since day 1 Get your hands a bit dirty and save the cry
Agree totally.
Evinrude is history. BRP stopped production of Evinrude.
Mel Rose they stopped production but evinrude isn’t history they r just going in a different direction look up evinrude project ghost
i ran an 150 etec for 4 yearz with no problems
As a technician it is my responsibility to know and be qualified on the equipment I'm working on to quickly and accurately diagnose problems and inspect for any potential failures. It's the shops responsibility to know the type of work that can be done there before accepting any work to be done and taking responsibility for the work that is performed. You should look at any explanation of a problem with logic to determine either they are blowing off excuses because they don't know how to work on the equipment and to get you on down the road to make it another shops problem or are they trying to make a problem that should be covered under warranty into a bill that brings in thousands to the shop. All EFI motors will have a knock sensor. Running with a cylinder down is much better than running with detonation in the cylinder and having the motor grenade while 100 miles out.
I loved your videos, great work. I'm an engineer and product manager but not in the boating industry. When a company has a product near the top, they invest most of their money into it to stay at the top of their game. When they're not satisfied, like in Evinrude's case, they may launch a new product to catapult to the top. The problem with that, they generally underestimate the effort and have a small team, resulting in schedules that took way too long, and this is the case here. Pressure mounts and they are forced to release it to the market without proper testing. Which is also the case here. It is a pity because we will never know the potential of this new and very innovative technology. May have needed another two years of testing and small incremental changes. What I'm more curious about, is why the technology has not been picked up by another manufacturer, of course there's more to the story and they certainly had theses discussions, 2-stroke may have a stigma attach to it that nobody wants their money invested in it. Obviously I'm writing this after Evinrude stopped production, did you ever get compensated by them? These stories are not uncommon even for large manufacturers.
Airated water off the running surface of a hull is a true issue. Mercury actually put a dealer video together back in the 90’s with under water cameras capturing this situation. Typically caused by long hull chines with sharp edge stops. Stepped hulls disturbed a wide surface that it typically does not create this direct problem area.
I was seriously considering this exact motor for my new 24 bay boat but this video saved me from it... have no idea why other than what I have heard about the fuel efficiency claims... have 1200 hrs on my 2014 yamaha 250... it has had zero issues and i have not been easy on it... have heard a ton of BS about this thing now.. Yamerhammer all the way!
Enthused with the amount of time you have put in studying your G2s. I am in same boat, no pun intended. I am retired and purchased a bay boat with a 2006 115hp etec (not G2) in December of 2021. I have had it in water 2 times since then, and in shop rest of time due to overheating. Water pump, water pressure valve, 2 thermostats have been replaced. Each time I am told it's ready, pick it up, put in water to test and guess what, hot after about 4 minutes. I am presently trying to figure it out my self, tired of spending money on it.Hope we can get our problems solved soon.
Understand why Evinrude tried to differentiate themselves; but if you don’t have a sure fire product that out performs competitors in every aspect your days are probably numbered. Love their forward thinking. Wouldn’t want to face the CEO at Bombardier.
I worked at Evinrude in the late 90’s. Evinrude was the worlds largest marine company making good engines for years and years. They basically failed because they made EVERYTHING on the engines in their own factories and had a huge engineering group. The opening of global markets driving costs down and a large pension payroll pushed them into bankruptcy. BRP bought the company and a couple assets. BRP is Evinrude and put their stamp on everything. They built a whole new factory from the ground up and outsourced all the components. Funny to see how many parts on the engine are made in China. The joke was they employed more accountants than engineers. The wanted the technology to put into their other products jet boats, skidoo and others. Evinrude engineers had rotax engines in test dyno’s with the direct injection systems back in 99’.
I got bad engines before sounds like a nightmare dealing with who you had to.
I got a 2020 G1 Etec 150HO i have not had one issue
My boat went from 26 mph 5500rpm to now 36 5100rpm i got 600-750 rpm left it sets low on transom gonna try up a hole or two see if rpm gains.
Plate is under water about 1/2 inch say should be just plane
Has plenty of get Up out the Hole and on Plane!!!
Fuel milage is great!!! I paid $11,500 installed new controls!
I hope they get it right for you and you get a chance to run them Etec 300's!!! I love it i could afford a 150ho 300 was out my price range for sure.
Sucks you got a bad engine i hope it all get worked out !!!!
Long Live The Two Strokes !!!
I was considering an etech till this . Thanks and good luck.
Stainless Reed's can damage an engine for sure but most of the time they pass through the engine and score the cylinder cause major damage but never have I seen one stop and engine dead. Carbon Reed's are the way to go but the service life is shorter.
Four strokes are the way to go, no reed valves
G1 against G2 300hp motors had similar issues; hot spots in the block, melting exhaust tube, water pressure relief value and EMM failure codes burning into memory. I believe BRP management wanted a new motor so bad to stop the issues, the pushed out the G2 out a couple years too early. Needed more time to find and fix the issues you have described in your videos
The high pressure fuel pump was replaced 3 times.
Seems like you got screwed over. Take em to court.
I have a 2019 g2 200 2 hours into the motor engine broke they sent a new power head now my power steering is leaking badly and cannot get parts was wondering if you ever sued them that’s my next step!!!
Mr. Hill,
Thank you so much for all your work and making this public. I thought I was the only one. Can you please send me any additional information. For some reason, I cannot find video 5. Are the recalls you mention actual recalls? Now, I am scared shitless that my engine is going to explode. My dealer is, I am sure, stuck in the middle. Just received a letter from BRP that Evinrude is no more. Is your lawyer going for a class action? Or can he recommend a lawyer in Ohio to help?
Was in the end it was bad reed
Or came loose?
I was wondering why if air or something not other engine.
Sounds like idiots doing maintenance.
Check every nut and bolts before i run out 25 miles off shore is what i do.
Havent had loose reed issues but have had nut or bolt loosen. Its an engine it vibrates.
I learned to check everything touch everything put a wrench or socket to it.
Most Important Have SeaTow or Boat Tow USA Or whoever but someone to help.
So are you thinkin about sellin this engine for ? Or both ?
Id hope you give it a real 100 hours
I love the power and have no problem runnin down 200 4 strokes on boats my boats size about 21 ft walk around
Anyways im just a happy owner who was gonna get a 4 stroke
The new tech is outstanding of direct injection.
The G1 i got because less high tech lol
Hope it gets better
we have still yet to hear what actually happened. you have made several accusations. what is the dealership that you say is the best at rigging them? where are they, are they a brp dealership?
is there any way are a place to go to see repair or warranty recalls, or consumer reports for outboard motors? all brands have some problems and we only hear about the bad ones or a guy who had bad luck.
The shadow around this guy's forehead from his glasses makes him look like he's got crazy eyebrows..
I have dual 4 stroke Yamahas on my saltwater boat and I will repower with etecs for the extra power and fuel economy all brands will have issues. I think Mercury is the worst you don't see them over 200 hours without a power head rebuild
Lake Side Bros keep us posted on how those G2’s work out
Don’t try to use troll tactics on Yamaha and Mercury to cover the problems with Evinrude’s outboards. Your comment about Mercury exposes your ignorance and stupidity.
@@melrose9252 why so angry, the Optimax is a pos
Get your E-Tec’s REAL CHEAP now
hows your etec now?
The picture of the girl in the back ground is disturbing, and I have the new g2 motor and it runs great with no problems and they have good to me. I had a Yamaha v max, it blew up
Maybe you would prefer a man?
Well I'm a kid
Well, as a boat owner for 25 years, I had a Merc V8 on a 29-footer that kept sucking valves. Yep.
Got up to 11k in repairs out of pocket and said, Okay, I know what to do, simple: Got a good lawyer, filed suit against the dealer and Merc, won it, got them TO TAKE BACK THE BOAT, and furnish me with a 40-foot ship, instead of the 29.
MORAL: Everybody loves to bitch about lawyers, but there are times when you NEED A GOOD ONE.
As long as people misbehave, we need lawyers....
So I advise: Quit fucking around and get a good lawyer. You are waaaaaaaay beyond what any dealer or factory can do for you.
All these but hurt evinrude owners commenting on how good their motors are dont seem to realize that all brands have issues and just because urs work dont mean mine 100% will. Its the after sales service that counts and when manufacturers blame users or make excuses/theorys that makes a poor experience.
aha at 4:30 " #3 cylinder only fired 5 hrs out of 32hrs of service" Told ya it fired, or it wouldn't have been sooty
the butt splice was a bad idea from the get go...and surely they are replacement plug wires available even in Nassau.
all new engines have a knock sensors , not just evinrude
But the ladder vibrating setting off the knock sensor is pretty funny, agreed. bad theory. Knock sensors have been around for a while.
re: software revision, interesting that other motors were having knock sensor issues.
at 12:50 - I don't know I'm starting to see things your way....not many stepped hulls in Wisconsin....but why just cyl #3 if the water is aerated?
at 13:57 - reed valves hanging on by a thread!! well simple fix is loctite...but the sooty spark plug should have been a clue to the mech that A/F ratio was jacked...and if the factory told the mech to check the reed valves way back in nassau, did he fix the issue? If so why did the cyl #3 acted up again in hour 2 coming back to you in exuma on the second time.
again starting to see things your way now :-)
I have an 150 Etec g2 with 1800 hours on it never had a problem
Isaac Fahey i ran a 150 etec for 4 yearz never had a problem
Hello Mr. Hills thank you for posting this series of videos, they have been very helpful to me. My case is the same as yours and l still have the problem. Would you be so kind to disclose the name of the dealer who helped you here in Florida, also the lawyer who is helping you in this case? I will need their help also. Again thank you for your honesty, it helped me a lot to know that I was not the only one.
I really wanted a etec gen 1 200hp, but didn’t trust the G2. Too much tech and electronics for a water environment. The problems make sense knowing BRP just pulled the plug on Evinrude. Glad i Went with a Suzuki DF200A with mechanical controls. On the gulf coast, I see the majority of the off shore charters dropping yamahas for Suzukis. If the charters trust going to Suzuki, there must be a good reason.
I have a hard time seeing Evinrude not just giving you a dressed powerhead. I think the dealer is the issue. I had an alarm on my 2018 G2 250 for excessive knock on cylinder number 5 a few weeks back. Brought it to my dealer and Evinrude sent a fully dressed powerhead no questions asked.
The only thing this guy is missing is a gold chain showing though that open jacket.
Been around outboards, and inside outboards nearly all my life. $300k losses due to a faulty outboard ?
From a business sense, are we not supposed to doubt this, or at least laugh ?
I'm laughing my ass off. This guy has to be full of shit or really fuckin stupid
Did you almost single handedly kill Evinrude sales and sink there E-Tec division? A guy at my job was tasked with repowering the company boat and mentioned E-Tec. I had watched your videos and urged him to reconsider and watch your series. So last year he buys E-Tec anyways. Now they stopped production, and I'm counting the days to catastrophe. There is enough room for him to install a double set of orr locks to viking style row that thing back to shore though. Evinrude folks mention market share, four stroke engines, and the virus but a product they claim was better than there four stroke competitors would have survived.
In a screwed up kind of way, the screwed unfortunately being you. There is some satisfaction in Evinrude not making anymore of those engines anymore.
No sir. Evinrude destroyed itself by making an inferior product and then using modern communication methods to spread a massive propaganda campaign. Satisfaction came last December when Evinrude once again denied the warranty claim on a motor with 100hrs on it. I simply told the dealer to remove the motors and keep them for his personal boat. The attorney I engaged in Florida informed me that me already has 7 of the same cases against Evinrude and that he himself was in the same predicament. He had two of these motors on his own boat. His advice? Buy new motors at the boat show. He had litigation we Evinrude three previous occasions. All ended the same, his client spent 40-50k in lawyer fees. Evinrude provided a new motor. The end
I have a 25hp etec that has never been right. It has ruined every fishing trip I have ever taken with it. Is there any legal action being taken that you’re aware ?
Hi divid , what has your motor 25hp been doing ? Any updates ?
@@jeffreyrudolph5061 I got rid of it 3 years ago.
@@davidgill9840 Thanks for responding David. If you don't mind sharing, what problems did you encounter w/ your 25hp e'tec .
I ask because I bought a used motor & don't have any experience w/ this model.
It starts , runs , pumps & I just mounted it on my boat (15ft) today .
Any heads up would be appreciated on its problematic operations for you .
As well, can you refer me to the attorney you are using because I am at that point.. Thanks.
This is why Toyota Landcrusiers sold to third world countries have no computer boards or fancy electronics they just keep running.
How did you make out with your motor. My brother-in-law just over heated his etec with 350 hours in it. It locked up even after a full service. What junk motors.
i suspected the software program issue. BRP did not put it the new g2 for the real rough water test. it is their fault. it is not a joke when you are in the rough ocean. BRP must improve the testing flawlessly. with all my respect. it was the once the best. over confident QC department.
It has been 6 months. Can you let us know where you are now with this? Is it in a legal status? Based on this, I am done thinking of going to the twin G2's. I will go 4 stroke now period. Those new Merc's are very appealing.
dear thoeny hills is it better not to buy enenrude is murcury the best boat motor to buy i am from south africa than you for video
Great for sir I was actually thinking of purchasing a 200 e tech for my bass boat, it's a shame that the highly educated fools at evenrude have no clue what they are doing.
If 2 strokes where the future every single car manufacturer would be sinking millions into R&D and pumping them out. The very moment the motors put my life on the line and failed in the Bahamas they would have been fucking sold. Why waist another second.
It sure doesn't look good on BRP when a division of it's brand appears to be preforming so poorly with a very high dollar product. I'm very curious to know if these E-tec marine engines are developed/engineered solely in-house by Evinrude or if Rotax has any involvement/input? Rotax engines are generally know to be well built/reliable and technically advanced and have been used for decades by BRP. they are competing with likes of Yamaha and Honda in the off-road/off highway markets with great success and you generally don't hear of this non-sense in other parts of the BRP products.
Rotax is bad..Sea Doo jet skis break down all the freaking time in my area..
Can you give me the dealer in Florida you are working with? Going through a similar issue. Boat has been in the shop for 39 days so far and they have no clue as to what is causing the problem. Already replaced a power head from a blown cylinder #5 now this issue! Thanks.
I had a 2011 25 horse e tech. That thing left me stranded a lot . I put 1400 dollars In a motor that was seven years old and that sad it had low hours . Finally sold that junk
Runtime hours is not the only reason for having an engine in for routine service. An engine that sits most of its life doesn't mean it doesn't require routine service. That's why there's a 3 year/300 hour recommendation, whichever comes first. Negligence is no excuse.
Muffler? This whole story smells fishy
How did you go mate they get it sorted for you ?
Thank you for this video I am definitely never buying anything evinrude
after having my yamaha stolen,l repowered my robalo with a 2017 etec g2 200 ho.
im on my 3rd replacement swivel bracket,steering failed day one, and failed again and again, also had fouled plugs in 20 hours and again at 125 hours,and a bad fuel injector causing my engine to run on 5 cylinders.
also the key switch was replaced twice, and then they replaced the harness for the key switch.
they keep fixing it.
last time the swivel bracket failed i tried a new dealer, so far i have done 50 more hours since the last swivel bracket was installed.
i have 367 hours total, would have a lot more but its spent a lot of time in the shop.
average use for me is 250 to 300 hours a year.
i worry about trolling too long and fouling plugs, shutting it off offshore[key switch], and losing controll of the boat due to faulty swivel brackets, 3 of them so far
I spent a fourtune on gassing my truck to pull it to the shop and then pick it up only to have it break again.
ps i did get a 10 year warranty.
when it runs right it is a great motor
Mike Bafumo but it doesn’t need service till 500 hrs!!!!
@@OptixLive98 I I think if they continue to do research and development, they're definitely heading in the right direction. Because when it does run right it's straight bad ass and gets 30% better fuel economy that my previous 2016 Yamaha 150 4 stroke.
And from 42 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour.
I wish Yamaha would copy their 2 stroke direct injected design and make one that isn't plagued with trouble.
In my honest opinion the only place that a two-stroke excels over a four stroke is when it's spinning a propeller, tires on pavement would never stopped spinning from the extra power and torque, that's why it's not used for motorcycles, remember the Widowmaker H2 2-stroke 750 Kawasaki that claimed many lives, because of its 2 stroke power curve
BRP really over push with native advertising, in my opinion all the info out there on the web about these outboards is likely very very biased
I’ve never had any such issues with any outboard I’ve owned, on the other hand I’ve also never owned an etec
I would hate to have the issues and waste of personnel time that this etec seems to be causing you.
Money is one thing but waste of time is something I cannot put up with
Not sure what to think of this, why are the reeds valves loose???
I love the poster in the background dude....is she a Ferrari....or is it just your hat? :-)
Part 5 ???????????????????????????????
Who else thought their phone was going off?
So sir has Evinrude finally take care of your engines?
Want some cheese with that whine?
hay thoeny hills if you need to choose motors will you go for mercury
Mercury are good engines as well as Yamaha.
Where's EPISODE 5 ??????
I’m pretty sure this guy’s hot air was causing all his motor problems.
No way, I didn't know much about E-Tec's but always wondered why I don't see many around up here in the Northeast, im out on the east end of Long Island, but anyway I had heard about them when the ETec first came out years ago, but I just never saw many around……. until I asked my dealer/mechanic, he told me to stay far far away, he said just about every boat in his marina that has an E-Tec on it has had major issues...… No thanks, ill stick with my Suzuki or Yamaha, which there are tons of around my area.... Im looking for a new boat, why do u see cheaper prices on boats that are Etec powered??? Now u know why.... shit company
@@bobbertee5945 suzuki is amazing..except 140 which is shit...I made 2500hrs on the 175 and no issues whatsoever with the engine..only a hydraulic steering line and a ground cable became loose that's it..
R yeah I have the 140 on a 20 ft Key West CC, wonderful motor, excellent fuel economy, still going strong since 2006, probably a little underpowered but it’s been great for me.... either Suzuki or Yamaha.. can’t go wrong..... there is a reason u don’t see many Evinrudes... a lot of dealers don’t want to deal with the headaches....
Are you saying "tits up" as in dead? You seem to be stretching the imagination quite a length to theorize that Evinrude is going out of business based on your primarily anecdotal account here. I don't think it stretches imagination too far to theorize that from the point the captain threw a hissy fit regarding the brand, you allowed that to color your perception of the brand and the process. Even with the best brands, it is going to take a team effort to rectify issues and if one member of the team has already made up their mind that product is poor, they may not be the best team player. At some point it can become more about making a company wrong or bad, or advancing a theory of failure/going "tits-up" rather than efficiently finding a solution to a problem. In the end you are one owner of a used boat with used outboards that has had difficulty with your engines and now we have heard one side of the story. At least you are finding many things to laugh at along the way.
Ironically, ETEC is no more...as of late May 2020. So Mr. Hills was in fact prophetic, as it turns out.
Oops 🙊
Easy fix it’s call loctite
ccm reeds won't blow up motor
Yes they can if you ingest them.
Evinrude is the best. Buying a 300 E-TEC next year
Mike Przlomski don’t those suck and shut down
Sounds like a pretty easy fix to me, pull those mufflers off.
I would sent you a brand new motor if I own the company the motor is a lemon once a while, at the manufacture a bad product slip through but that’s me.
i didnt see how it cost you 300k$ ?
He couldn't book the 250000$ tours smarty
@@trevormitchell4913 If he really had customers lined up he could have bought a new motor or borrowed a boat from a friend? It's just terrible business to throw $300k down the drain over a new $30k motor.
They went out of business because of problems like these ... Old two strokes were not great but these are complete garbage ..
Guess im lucky cause i like things the easy way. It took zero brain power for me to know merc. Was my motor of choice. Just watched the races as a kid and saw who was boss. If you hook that boat to a good ole chevy life is wonderful. Boats are supposed to be fun, not a headache. I try to use simple, tried and true products. What about that 450 R. Evinrude dont want none of that for sure.
@georgio m I prefer to use it on things other than spending a bunch of money only to try find whats wrong with junk shit. If you have any proof that Merc. Doesnt dominate the water then give it. If you cant come up with anything then its all the proof i need about who has the brains. If you like evinrude thats fine, i can see why you are upset, most of yall are. When you tear into that junk and find port work that looks like a child did it you know why merc smokes you in every catagory.
Agree my old merc 75 horse two stroke has never gave me any major issues. i have had two evinrudes and wasnt happy with either of them.
@georgio m ya mine had issues with the power packs. one was 35 horse the other was a 25 horse. the crankshaft bearings went out on the 35 eventualy. but we overworked it because it was on a 18 foot boat.
Frank, kick their A$$!
the evinrud motor sound really dangerus what will happin when you go true a rove bar and engine fail it can cost capsized
Buy a set of yamaha’s or Suzuki stop the bleeding!!!!!
Well you closed em down
I must say these videos are the most damaging testimony I have heard about E-TEC. I could only find #1 and #4 so far. My mechanic swears by them. He has an excellent reputation and service center with all the equipment to diagnose pretty much anything. Maintenance is the most important factor in any mechanical vehicle/business fleet, regardless of make or model. This isn't the first horror story I've heard, so I will take it with a grain of salt. Evinrude has been building outboards longer than anybody. And it is my opinion that the brand is under attack. Having said that, Suzuki did build some motors for Evinrude/ Johnson in the past. The G2 technology is impressive.
Evinrude has gone bankrupt once and now BRP has stopped production. Your opinion is evidence of your ignorance on this topic.
Technology is impressive? Any monkey can write up a presser about how their tech does this that and the the other thing, why you don't even need controls! Our engine reads your mind and adjusts accordingly! Impressive!! Except it doesn't, what happens is your tech is in the shop 98% of the time as technicians scratch their heads trying to figure out what is wrong with the POS.
What's impressive is a machine that with minimal maintenance or even better, aggressive disinterest continues to reliably start and run flawlessly for years. The owner gets tired of the color scheme and gives the working thing to his nephew just to have an excuse to buy a new one. That's impressive. Not the pointless half truths at best spewed by marketing divisions.
Absolute garbage. Last 2 were junk and will never own another
These are over priced junk! I feel for all the guys having trouble with these motors. These are nothing like the older omc motors .
I’m not argumentative . I don’t need to explain myself to anyone. They are junk from my experience . I feel no need to explain my experience with them and justify my statement to you. There overpriced junk. As I stated before the older motors in my opinion were way better than what they are producing now. Technology is good to an extent.
I switched to Mercury if you must know. Don’t take it personally that I had a bad experience with an E Tec. With that being said I understand your loyalty to Brp. I believe in my opinion these new Etecs are nothing but trouble.
It’s not what I like better. My Omc motors outperformed ant Mercury I owned to be honest lol. I just don’t feel the need to explain every problem I’ve had with a newer Evinrude. Pretty much I’m simply stating that I had bad luck with Etech. I would be here for two hours listing all ( MY) problems with the new motors.
Then why tell us at all if you refuse to identify the problem?
Unfortunately the dealer is probably the best in the country at rigging these motors. I’ve further contacted BRP general counsel, turns out they are willing to do research and development as long as I pay for it!
Can you provide an update on this? I am dealing with a similar situation, I'm in Florida, boat's been at an Evinrude Platinum Certified dealer for a few weeks and they say that Evinrude is giving them the runaround. How can I contact you?
E tecs are garbage.
Junk engine
Quit crying
Sounds like a lot of good people were trying to help you by looking at All the possibilities. Too bad you already developed a hatred for these awesome American Built engines. Shame on you.
You won, sorta. BRP went belly up--at least the Etec outboard part. I hate to see it, but maybe it will save lives.
I dont no why people keep buying evinrude motors it is a failing company the G2 motors failed the market place they are doomed
evinrude is a tiking time bomb wait for realy dangerus thing to happin