Election 2015: fear and loathing in Farageland | Anywhere but Westminster
Вставка
- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Election 2015: fear and loathing in Farageland
Subscribe to The Guardian ► is.gd/subscribeguardian
In a key Ukip target seat, John Harris meets Nigel Farage, picks daffodils alongside East European migrants - and digs into a story of immigration fusing with exploitation, low wages and sky-high rents to create huge local anger. Here, Britain's most insurgent new party seems to be defying talk of a slump, offering simple answers, and attracting big local support. But is the failure of politics and economics in the English East more complicated than Ukip make out?
Support the Guardian charity appeal for the refugee crisis and donate at ► www.theguardian.com/charity-ap...
Guardian website ► is.gd/guardianhome
Endboard videos:
A tale of two Kensingtons ► bit.ly/ABWkensingtons
The superheroes fighting for Legal Aid ► bit.ly/legalaidheroes
Guardian playlists:
Comment is Free ► is.gd/cifplaylist
Guardian Docs ► is.gd/guardiandocs
Guardian Animations & Explanations ►is.gd/explainers
Guardian Investigations ► is.gd/guardianinvestigations
Other Guardian channels on UA-cam:
Watch Me Date ► is.gd/watchmedate
Guardian Football ► is.gd/guardianfootball
Guardian Music ► is.gd/guardianYTmusic
Guardian Australia ► is.gd/guardianaustralia
Guardian Tech ► is.gd/guardiantech
Guardian Culture ► is.gd/guardianculture
Guardian Wires ► is.gd/guardianwires
Guardian Food ► is.gd/guardianfood
More Guardian videos:
Mos Def force fed in Gitmo procedure ► is.gd/mosdef
Edward Snowden interview ► is.gd/snowdeninterview2014
Bangladeshi Sex Workers take steroids ► is.gd/sexworkers
How your phone spies on you ► is.gd/phonespying
What is freedom today? ► is.gd/zizekcif
30 Stone man enters Mr Gay UK ► is.gd/stavros
Fighting Isis in Kobani ► is.gd/fightingisis
How does Ebola kill? ► is.gd/ebolakills
The SlumGods of Mumbai ► is.gd/slumgods
Jesus "would have been an atheist" ► is.gd/dawkinsjesus
The new global menace ► is.gd/owenjonescif
What is so wrong with work permits?
Leigh Eastham nothing, unless you're a Left-wing traitor.
Any normal person would say nothing but Leftist progressives would call them racist.
If an unskilled worker could earn £500 a week in 1996. A 16 year old school leaver would have been able to buy a 4 bedroom detached house outright at 19.
Re-watching this series in 2021, it seems like "I told you so"
Surely the problem of immigrants undercutting local people by working for lower wages and with less secure conditions can be solved by having stricter workers rights legislation and also stronger trade unions? I recall that Dennis Skinner mentioned that when he used to work down coal mines he didn't feel threatened by polish workers, because everyone was in a union, which protected their wage levels and working conditions. It all seems like UKIP have been blaming problems on the European Union, which have actually been caused by Thatcher's war on trade unions and a deregulated economy in general.
It's not that simple. As long as ths supply/demand dynamic is in favour of cowboy employers they just keep the wage bill down by charging you £100 for "registration, vetting and admin" and people will pay because they're desperate. Security firms do it. And as for Den Skinner's miners, the whole industry priced itself out of work. It's all v sad.
PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH INDUSTRY IN BRITAIN TODAY IS BECAUSE OF THE BLOODY UNIONS . THEY HAD THE WORKERS OUT ON STRIKE EVERY 5 MINUTES . I HAVE FRIENDS WHO WORKED THE MINES EARNING OVER A GRAND A WEEK . THE UNIONS SAID COME ON BROTHERS WE WILL GET YOU MORE , AND MORE , AND MORE . IN THE END IT WAS CHEAPER TO DIG IT IN POLAND AND SHIP IT HERE .
WHY DO YOU THINK THE SOUTH WALES AND NOTINGHAMSHIRE MINERS TOLD SCARGIL TO PISS OFF. THEY WHERE HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY HAD .
You can't have workers unions in a globalized world because like Farage said, there's an endless supply of low-mid skill workers out of the country with no solidarity to your union. Unions are only as powerful as their labour is in demand, but if a company can afford to fire every unionized worker and be none the worse for wear, then the union is worthless. If you stop immigration, you hand back power to the unions.
We just avoided further intergration, Britain is so different to Europe
Not a very enlightening comment, but I really like this presenter.
Good work.
"it's not because they have convincing solutions"
Better solutions than any other party.
As it is 6 years now, do you still think the same?
the hello at the start had me in stitches
After going through some of the comments here I think some people might be missing some fundamental points made in this video (regardless if it is punting for the left, right or whatever) ...
a) There wouldn't be many people in the UK who would be willing to do half the work some of these immigrants do for the meager pay they get. Our older generations may be willing to get stuck into doing hard labour but not so sure many of our younger generations would do it. Especially as many of these jobs don't give any job security or stable income.
b) If the cost of labour to harvest & grow our food goes up so does our living costs as we at the other end of the chain will have to pay more for it
c) If our food industry goes bust because they can no longer afford to pay for the labour for food production, the UK in the longer term will once again loose valuable industry that this country so desperately needs to grow and sustain itself. This no doubt will lead to more imports and higher deficits . and so the cycle continues.
Some control on immigration to this country could be a good or a bad thing all depending on how it is managed. Personally I would like to see the bill for controlling it i.e how much will it end up costing the tax payer in the longer run? Does that outweigh leaving things as they are? These are the kind of questions we should be asking. So in my mind UKIP's policy is not as simple as they make it out to be.
So many times I have seen political parties pandering to what they think appeals to the majority only to end up delivering us something totally different from what we anticipated and we end up paying the price. So wonder we are confused and disillusioned about voting in this election.
Project fea--- sorry, you were correct.
Support the Guardian charity appeal for the refugee crisis and donate at ► www.theguardian.com/charity-appeal-donations
+The Guardian what do you do with the interest argued from the holding of the money prior to its use?
Awesome. The Guardian discredits itself.
qetoun How exactly has it discredited itself?
Dave McShane By exposing its clear and bigoted Left wing bias.
I think you're exposing your clear and bigoted right wing bias.
The Left wing has been exposed as a failure... accepting this is logic, not bigotry.
Cool story, bro
It would be very interesting to ask the same people again, what they think now.
Man at 11 mins can't make a living but is wearing a stone island coat
Wayne and Waynetta were funnier.
Funny how John Harris didn't actually refute anything Nigel Farage told him, then spends the rest of the video saying how wrong he is.
dan bounds Probably because if you actually gave a shit about that information you're either already know it or would simply google it because it's been touted by so many different sources that to go into the ultimately long-winded and impenetrable discussion of immigration economics would have derailed the video from the point, namely the human cost of it all.
The people that most people want to keep out are the ones doing those jobs that for the most part nobody wants to do because of how poorly they pay and how cruelly they're run. The businesses won't change their practices because doing so would mean raising the prices on their food meaning they'd lose their competitive edge in the market namely that they're the cheapest solution. Those businesses need to run at the price that they do and in the way that they do because if they don't then the people suffering on or around the minimum wage can't live to the quality they should be able to.
So basically, the immigrants there are simply one of many symptoms of a far, far larger problem that needs sorting out on a national scale and that UKIP are unwilling to actually sort out either because they're paid not to by their big donors or because they're just really, really stupid and don't understand basic economics.
You think what I just said was easy to understand? Well good, because that was the easy part. Now you need to start factoring in all of the other elements like taxation, services, market competition, skilled/unskilled workers and the competition between them, and a lot of other stuff that professional economists could explain better than I can.
Suffice it to say he didn't have the time.
Bushflare Massive thumbs up for this response. To sum up, as John Harris said in the video, "it isn't as simple as that".
Bushflare Farage has run his own business and worked in commodities brokerage for over 20 years. I think he knows what he's talking about more than some dumb Guardian reporter.
dan bounds There you have it. "I think..."
You "think" he knows better but you aren't willing to actually do the legwork yourself and learn about the problem form multiple sources to create as unbiased a view as possible so you can objectively get as close to the truth as you can like reporters do. No, you just "think" you're right. You put your faith in Turtle-Face that he knows what he's doing despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
But in fairness if we're gonna do a little thinking I do think Farage knows what he's doing... and I also think you don't know what he's doing. He is fear-mongering and scapegoating the under-informed, lazy, set-upon, and/or the angry masses of the UK, hoping to provide for them a target that they can all agree are definitively the problem when the real problem is actually elsewhere. The problem is wealth inequality. The problem is austerity. The problem is corruption. The problem is the deregulation of capitalism and banks. The immigrants aren't the problem, they're the symptom. It's like blaming the sneeze for the cold. Nothing in this country will improve until the massive problems at the core of our economy and our daily lives can be fixed (things Farage appears to be stridently against... and why wouldn't he be, he's a businessman who has benefitted greatly from them his entire life.)
And y'know who else ran their own business? Mitt Romney and a bunch of other politicians throughout history famous for being corrupt, naive, and/or otherwise poor leadership candidates.
Farage's life has been about the acquisition of money thus-far whilst the reporter's life has been about political and economic truths.
All Farage's background tells me is he probably has a lot of rich, right-wing friends in the business world similarly to David Cameron and his actions reek of a man comfortable with exploiting people like you who are unwilling to actually learn what the real core of your woes are.
Bushflare I chuckled a bit at the part where you suggested a reporter working for a left wing partisan newspaper is interested in 'economic and political truths'. Your primary argument against Farage seems to be the fact that he's rich, which is pretty idiotic in and of itself. You talk of austerity, it was the Labour government who left this country in such an economic mess in the first place. If Farage was on the side of big business, surely he'd be in favour of mass immigration, because rich employers benefit hugely of an oversupply of cheap labour.
Hard core, severe hard work. X
The daffodil farmer basically admitted on camera, he could get English workers if he paid better wages.
If English workers are too lazy, then reduce their benefits (excluding children, disabled, and pensioners).
1) its 2022 how do you still think like this
2) He said at any wage he highly doubts that he would get anyone to work those sorts of jobs without foreign labour, evidenced clearly in the current farming labour shortage
Excellent documentary. Makes the picture a bit clearer. UKIP are all talk. It's all just talk that sounds appealing to a fairly large number of pissed off people. If they ever had to try putting their words into actions it would be disaster.
Nigel is just a bottom feeder and he's taken us all down with him
Well this definitely showed how wages are suppressed by mass immigration. However with FPTP the SNP with about 4% of the vote will get 50 odd seats, UKIP with maybe 12% will be lucky to get two seats.
they got 1 seat, 4 million voters with no representation, Its no wonder the tories and labour desperately cling onto fptp.
Want an Australian style points based system? Simple! Go to Australia.
it is simple as that - yes
Well immigration's still an issue in Australia so - no.
Mostly dislike Farage but I agree with him populism it just got more popular. Brexit wasn’t the problem it was the mps
Mr Guardianista What UKIP are proposing is that immigrant Labour is managed not completely blocked,that the UK decides exactly what workers are needed not a free for all as is the case now where we are flooded with immigrants,and their families from not just the EU,but the world over. If Farmers need overseas workers to gather in crops or building contractors need skilled workers why can they not be required by law to obtain permission to bring over said workers on limited contracts that subject to need and requirement may be renewed ,There is no reason why permits cannot be issued subject to those being issued permits to work complete the task required,but they will remain on a limited contract and not take up residence in the UK or have permission to work for anybody else ,but the specific employer issued with the permits or bring families to settle here or be permitted to enter the UK if they have serious criminal records or are in need of medical treatment. Why oh why is it unreasonable to place such limits Its high time the indigenous people of the UK were given a chance to live without everything from housing to transport to the health service and our prisons being artificially overheated and overcrowded by the treachery of an EU superstate that morphed from a limited trading alliance between a few of the wealthiest European nations into an unaccountable ruler of our nation which not a living soul in the UK ever had the opportunity to vote to join let alone vote to leave.
Its Time Mr Guardianista that you stopped twisting the facts and allowed the children of the UK to have a future in which they can look forward to finding affordable housing,education,a Health System that is sustainable,and a job that pays more than is dictated by a massively inflated workforce.
Domestic problems blamed on Europe...What could possiblly go wrong.
domestic problems created by eu policies and rightly blamed for the messes they create. oh and Europe is a continent, the eu is a political scam derived from a shopping area.
It is as simple as that,then people who are skilled like me could find it far less hassle to live in the UK being from thailand :) with no criminal record
Come Brexit,
and Herr Farage had his German citizenship and EU passport in hand, and in receipt of his generous lifetime EU Parliamentary pension-and the fishers of Grimsby, the whining farmers of Yorkshire, and the mass of old xenophobes of Team GB all voted to push their children's lives into poverty not seen since the 1930s.
FO Herr Farage.
There seem to be a lot of ex BNP who have left one failed party to then support another doomed party.We didnt fight this ilk in the 1940's to then vote for them now!
as an aussie hes rigth and your wrong john
Anyone checked the lead levels in the water?
I totally agree with the implication re the low cost food. We've become addicted to low cost things, whether its Primark selling throw away clothes or supermarkets with their unrealistically cheap food. If you're not willing to pay more for things, or simply have less of them then the money has to be squeezed somewhere, and as has been shown over the last few decades it won't be coming from the profits so the squeeze comes at the bottom and causes a never ending cycle of desperate people being forced to accept less than they deserve for the work they do. Don't blame the immigrants, who are basically helping us continue the charade, but blame those at the top who keep pushing this shit on us.
It's March, 2020. Britain has left the EU, and the government are introducing an Australian style point's based system. People like the Guardian used to say, "If the silent majority agree with Farage, why don't UKIP win any seats?" - Because first past the post wouldn't allow it. The people had to go the long way around through the Tories. Farage was the pressure group, vote for Farage in the EU elections to frighten the Tories, then vote the Tories in at the General Election on promises to implement UKIP style policies. It worked, and here we are. The people of this country aren't fools, we knew exactly what we were doing, and it took many years. The Europhiles completely missed what was happening, until it was too late.
Spot on. We've got control of our boarders now haven't we. We got our country back and everybody's better off because of Brexit.
if its bad in Lincolnshire, try doing the same in Norfolk.
Why do people have a problem with media reporters sharing their opinions?
Oh the benefits state!
Okay.
Can I just point out, that the idea that the answer to our problems DOESN'T Lie in immigration, is not "LEFT WING". Its Not RIGHT WING.
Immigration is not a Left/Right issue.
Here is a question:
Will someone explain how the "Immigrants" are simultaneously taking both our jobs and our benefits? Now I am not expert, but that doesn't sound quite right.
Here is an Answer:
The issue isn't with immigrants. Its with some "Native" British-Born people, who believe Farage's lunacy. Here is a piece of REAL Common sense.
If there are not enough Schools, Jobs, or Houses, the solution, is to invest in this economy, and create More Schools, Jobs and Houses?
If we can provide these, then there shouldn't be an issue. Immigrants can keep on coming over, working, and improving their lives, whether that be as an unskilled labourer, or as a doctor. They are Happy. We are Happy. Everyone is Happy.
So. How to make everyone Happy? Well, despite the common phrase to the contrary, this will require cash - and Time.
So how will be pay for this?
Well, obviously, the money has to come from somewhere.
So the next step is to prioritise essentials.
In short, we can screw over the rich, or the working class. Except that the working class are the people we're trying to help in the first place.
And the rich are - by definition - able to cope with a greater financial burden.
So - for all of you people crying "GUARDIAN LEFT WING AAAAAHHHH" Down below.... Take a moment to consider the fact, that Left Wing finance, would actually solve this problem.
Problem is, the Tories are only interested in making money for the top 1%,
I agree that ukip's fundamental policies are wrong, however its very difficult to pull money out of the air to build new public services.
Haradion Drogon There is another place money can come from.We give 85bn in corporate subsidies. Much of that to corporations which make ridiculous profits.
Some of that cash would be pretty handy to spend on the NHS, education and whatever else.
Haradion Drogon Flooding the labour market with cheap foreign workers doesn't help the working classes dopey, it forces them to compete for lower wages... but it does immeasurably aid the rich and wealthy classes as they have a never ending supply of cheap labour to cream off of and exploit to the max.
I find it truly amazing that you Left-wing numpties just can't get this simple fact of logic to penetrate through your thick marxoid skulls. It's a no-brainer - a child could understand it... but for you idiots it's like giving a chimp a spanner and asking it to service a car. Absolutely clueless.
eric lovelace
If a business will willing to exploit migrant workers - it is THEM who are the ones commiting wrong. Not the migrants.
If they are willing to work for less, why shouldn't they? Because they are immigrants?
Raise minimum wage.
Haradion Drogon By working for less these immigrants undercut the local working classes. We spent years in this country fighting to get a fair wage for our labour and now all that struggle has gone out the window because with the deconstruction of our borders the rich and powerful now have access to a massive pool of cheap foreign workers who are more than happy travel here to work for less.
It's a lose, lose situation for the local working classes and win, win for the wealthy classes.
You say raise the minimum wage but I'm afraid that you are just showing a piss poor grasp of market forces with this comment; If you flood a market with a commodity then that commodities value will drop because of its wide spread availability and therefore if you flood a labour market with cheap labour then the value of labour will drop because of its wide spread availability... which is exactly what has happened.
UKIP feels like today's modern Republican party in America
So pathetic how if you even slightly suggest any opposition to immigration you're pounced on by the hippies, why is this topic so sacred?
Quadrupled in a decade, well there's a surprise. Considering that over 800 per day where and probably still are, coming into the country.
4:59 kinda encapsulated the situation. English people dont want jobs that are deemed to hard and not well paid. However all these english people bring are six teeth and one gcse. Migrants are more adapt and work harder. Its a kill or be killed world. If you’re not willing to work you will suffer.
What a horrible way of seeing things. That's the nature of capitalism
@@chilldude30 we dont live under capitalism, we now have globalist corporatism forced onto us, and the only trickle down leads to food banks. greedy banksters dictating to the eu via lobbying, they call it lobbying, we call it bribery.
what goes around in a circle whilst the corporarions lie back and let us scrap over the crumbs!
Here in 2022 the consequenses of brexit is clear. BIG mistake
I'm from 2023, and i'm here to tell you its ok. Rishi is making those pesky youths do an extra 2 years of maths so they can take better care of the finances. Problem solved.
How did farmers manage before 2004? I'll tell you they used English workers. Most farms still do, go to Cornwall, Devon much of the south and the midlands and much of the north and its all English people still working the land. They'll be the odd polish or latvian person here and there but mostly its still english.
Pish.
you probably dont care at all but does any of you know a trick to get back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly lost the password. I would love any assistance you can give me!
@Jared Zayden instablaster ;)
@Remy Canaan i really appreciate your reply. I found the site thru google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
Takes quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Let's get some robots out in the field ffs it's 2015. No immigrants and no poor sod wrecking their back doing this job.
Sad that the Guardian is so tethered to labour
22??? Guy looks 40. Hate really does age you.
Nigel for PM!
Typical yob at 05:05
TheGava4 probably a staged event as well.
qetoun No. It isn't.
edited for effect at the very least, but you'll forgive me if I view the word of the 'guardian' as less than nothing.
The Guardian The middle class gaurdian loves to put down the British working classes.
His chief concern is making the very rich happy. Whether you're a British billionaire or a Russian billionaire he could care less.
His concern is: serve the super-rich and keep 'em happy and divide the British people.
He's a racist, a homophobe... who doesn't care about the working class. Again, his concern is the upper class and those in the upper income strata.
Anyway, he's trailing behind both Labour and the Cons at a piddly 14 percent. Yes, he may pick up a few seats here and there. But the worst case scenario is a Tory minority with the backing of the U-Racist-IP....
Edward Black How embarrassing for yourself.
More sneering from the guardian.
the local economy need trade unions, not divisive politics that scapegoat supposed factions of society
3:55
I bet the Guardianistas would like Bangladesh to be an EU member. Hey! Even more cheap labour.. in fact they'll pay YOU to let them work here!
"The EU has been good to farmers." That's all you need to hear to know this is a bias video against ukip. Ask Jamie Oliver (someone who's opinion isn't influenced by his financial situation), and see what an unbias food expert says.
4:36 Woman for PM
Robin'!
Alba
Runrig Alba
NIGEL FARAGE...Best prime minister we never had
lol now the Guardian lives and Ukip is dead hehe
0:34 - Nigel is so quick with his rebuttals! Legend
He has learned a handfull of simple, broad slogans. That is called manipulative and cunning. It's the same thing fortune tellers do. Throw broad slogans and it'll catch something but miss the majority of factors and facts.
Tho he had his priveleged private education. Most of the Labour Party forgot the working class in recent times, after being Blairified
Farmer getting fat EU subsidies does not want to leave the EU, wonder why?!
What is shocking is the exploitation of eastern european labour, new rules should be put in place to stop this.
NIGEL MIRAGE .
8,07 if you smoke whilst working you're going to end up DOWN at the end of the day!
Love the old videos, exposing how intellectually bankrupt John's questions and commentary are.
Blody hell, you can tell the Guardian don't like ukip after this biased video........
What do you expect? The Guardian are just a bunch of loony lefty liberals.
The Fall of Nigel Farage
"It's not as simple as that"... well it basically is... so... yeah. Perhaps they should hire some smarter journalists.
What a biased reporter.
Based*. I'm surprised you know that word in 2014.
Out out out
lol this propaganda...
Farage is a national HERO!!!!!!
Britains las t hope...
hernandezrivas Said someone called Hernandez Rivas lol
Farage for prime minister.