Great to see someone giving it a go. We bought a used leaf in 2019 and honestly, it's been super. OK we have other cars, so it doesn't have to do everything, but if you use it for the journeys which make sense for it, it's great - like you say very spacious and practical, comfy etc. They really come into their own if you have solar panels or work somewhere where you can charge at their expense, then, they are practically free to run. Maintenance is far lower than engined cars. We actually make money from ours as we lucked into getting a bidirectional charger on a trial, which means we can store electricity in it bought at night and export it back to the grid at teatime benefiting from the price differential. Vehicle to grid V2G and V2H (home) charging really is the future - using the fact that cars are parked up 90% of the time and enabling that energy storage to be used to flatten out the country's power demand peaks means less need to cater for the peaks in demand with nuclear or fossil fuel power stations. The Leaf is the only car that can do that right now - because chademo, although it's dying, chademo really is the betamax of charging connectors. sorry for the essay - only one more thing to add. Some 30kWh leafs are still in 8yr battery warranty and close to being eligable for free replacement battery from Nissan, might be worth looking into for anyone considering a used leaf at the moment
Most important questions for the old Leaf are - 1. Can you charge at home? 2. Do you usually only do short journeys? 3. Do you have access to another car for long journeys? Answer yes to these and its a no brainer economic great car If anwers are no best give it a swerve.
I've been driving round in a Leaf exactly like this one for years and it is the cheapest vehicle to run I've ever owned. I charge overnight on cheap econmy 7. Never needs anything other than tyres & wipers. Only good for local stuff due to 65-85 mile range depending on season. Not good on big journeys as charging take 45-60mins on chademo. Can be done but a bit of a faf.
And Leafs have got much cheaper since this video was made. I bought mine for under £2000 and absolutely love it. If you can charge at home on cheap electricity they're easily the cheapest commuter available.
As a long time owner of a 2013, purchased in 2016 for a mere $6995, I would answer the question of whether or not it's worth buying as follows... My short answer is yes, but with this disclaimer; This should not be your only car, that (in my humble opinion) would cause way too much stress in your life. But if you use the leaf for what it was intended for, a grocery getter/commuter car, it is a great choice. But if your commute is more than about 30 miles each way (your mileage may vary depending on whether you charge to 80% or all the way to 100%) , you'll be pushing the envelope of range anxiety, in my opinion. To me, it's like driving a car with only about an eighth of a tank of fuel (maintaining between 20-80% in my case). It might feel more like a quarter tank if you charge to 100% but I set my charger to stop charging at 80% and at the end of my daily commute (depending on traffic) it's usually around 20-30%. My daily commute is about 34 miles roundtrip and it's about 90% freeway (yup, I live in LA). It seems counter intuitive but the heavier the traffic, the longer the charge lasts. At regular freeway speeds the battery discharges much quicker. It's funny, I've actually had times when I would get on the freeway with about 50% of charge (in bumper to bumper traffic) and 15 miles later when exiting the freeway (driving in 'B' mode), the battery had actually gained charge! As for maintenance, the only thing we've had to replace are tires and windshield wipers. Also, this may be because I drive almost exclusively in 'B' mode, but it still has the factory brake pads and rotors and my mechanic told me a couple of months ago that they still have about 50% of life left in them. I don't know how much this car has saved us over the years but I would say it is significant. No fuel, no smog checks, no oil changes, no radiator, no belts, no hoses, etc. If you use it for what it was intended for, it is a great little car.
@Tron-Jockey Yeah, right, that company has been talking about this miracle battery for over a year and promised in early 2023 for release. They have been quiet for the last 6 months. Also, at $20k, it's hardly affordable now that used 40kwh Nissan Leaf are now close to that $20k after rebate for the entire car! They are still a great company for servicing the Nissan Leaf, as well as software upgrades, but that battery is pretty much dead on arrival.
lol can I help you a little being a leaf owner (30kw). For a start you can get any dead cells replaced not the entire battery pack. If you had to charge at Tesco via the app then it was a 7kw fast charger. Same power as the wall box at home. If you used the rapid charger at Tesco you would of just tapped your credit card on the 50kw charger and you would of had a 80% charge in about15/20 minutes. Also if charging at home you get a tarrif for evs. I’m with octopus and for 120 mile range it costs me at the most £1.40. I charge every night as I deliver Amazon in mine doing 32500 miles a year. Faultless. I also visit events countrywide. Bought it in Scunthorpe. And visit the northern canals which I love and the midlands too. I live near Portsmouth. You need to do a leafspy to get a battery state of health for reassurance to the next buyer. Also check to see if it’s got the optional 6.6kw charger for faster overnight charging. ( not via 3 pin plug). If you would like to chat anymore about it. I’m happy to help. Previously had Hyundai ioniq 28 and Tesla model s. Best wishes.
Hello. I bought a used 2013 Nissan Leaf with 11 bars. Just about under 50000 kilometers in a wonderful shape. I think it’s great to commute with. And it saves us a lot of money compared to our old “second” car. If I compare the cars consumption the Leaf is outstanding. If I charge it up it costs about 12 Swedish crowns, and I can go to work and home 2 days for one charge…. That’s winner for us. Via Chademo I charge it up to 80% in about 30 minutes.Have a great 231117 ❤️
Hi there. You did not mention the Leaf will charge at 50KW on Chademo rapid charger, i.e. adding 10 to 80% battery in around 30 minutes. Still enjoy all your videos, thank you Murray
You also said it will only charge upto 80% on a 13amp connection which is wrong, I think you need to try the very last of the 1st gens , maybe as a 30kwh model and then things get a little different - especially if you have a 6.6kw on board charger.
Good second car - school runs, supermarket visits etc etc. I'm retired and a car with, say 60 miles of range, would cover most of my trips but here's the thing - we went to the coast a few weeks ago for the day - 120 mile round trip. Went up to Scotland last year - did 600 miles. I'll stick with my hybrid for the time being.
The government seem to think this isn’t a problem. 2030 is not a long way away and we’re still dealing with these issues today. They’re hardly eco friendly either. The most carbon-heavy part of a car’s life is it’s production; EV production has been shown to be carbon-heavier than conventional vehicles. Until I can charge an EV to 100% full in less than 5 minutes, and get 850 miles to a charge, I’ll be sticking to my diesel VW Passat - which, incidentally, gets over 70mpg when careful and costs just £20/year to tax
At work we have the E-NV200 which is a small van but has the same running gear as the leaf... Great for urban work, 20, 30 & 40 mph roads. The moment you have to venture say from bristol to say swindon on the motorway the range just vanishes, I had to supercharge at the services on the return leg and still then it was touch and go as to whether I would get back with decent range (I got back but at less than half range)
The Leaf does have a Rapid charge on its CHAdeMO socket, so you can charge from zero to full in around half an hour, you dont need to wait for 4 hours as stated in your video. You can charge the leaf to 100% using a 13 amp 3 pin socket too, you dont have to only charge to 80%, there is facility in the settings to charge to 80% or 100% which you can change, may be worth having a look. Charging to 80% is recommended to prolong the battery life, but if you need to charge to 100% its okay, and every now and again is recommended to help balance the cells in the battery, just make sure you use the car soon after charging to 100%.
Glad this vid made I’ve had a couple provisional down to me 2400 in trade before fees motorway. Neither seller accepted bid so still not tried one for sale.
Problem is Tesco are 7 kWh chargers so they're slow (7 kw is for overnight ideally) Plus it's an old EV newer EVs i.e. my Model Y 2023 I charge it once a week and get over 300 miles. Appreciate this video is about the Leaf but in general EVs are getting better
You indicate charging to 80% only. The Leaf is capable of charging to 100% which is what you should be doing if you're concerned about range- you'll get another 15 miles of range which would be 75% of the Mrs daily work commute. We take our 2013 Leaf with 9 bars often on 45 mile round trips and it does well for a 11 year old car with 90,000 on it. In California, you can beat the economy this Leaf gives us - especially in that we have Solar and .13 per Kwh at night.
Where I am electric rate is cheap ($0.068 / kWh). 600 miles in a leaf is $13.60 600 miles in 40mpg car is $63.75 600 miles in my truck is over $210 For me if I charge at home, it is quite tempting for my 30 mile daily commute. 🧐
I'm definitely not a fan of these Joe. Far rather blast around in my Historic Lancia Fulvia Rallye, the sound, the smell no MOT, no TAX. However, I am a big fan of the channel 😊
I just bought a 14 plate one for 4.5k dies 90 miles and charges on the 3 pin granny charger in 7 hours from empty, considering the first owner paid 27k for it and the miles has only dropped by 15 miles maybe i think its a bargain, also when doing the math its about £6 to do 80 miles our peteol car is about £12 to do the same and when our tariff drops to 9p a kw soon it will be £2 per 80 miles, it is what it is a cheap run about cheap to run no tax whats not to like 🎉
Some countries' petrol is very expensive, here in NZ petrol is currently around $2.50 per lt vs 15.7 cents per kwh for night rate power. So the difference for us is much larger. Our ICE vehicle averages around 9lt per 100km in the city or $22.50 per 100km. The Leaf I used to own until I destroyed it last Monday in a car crash (my fault) would do around 6km per kwh, so around $2.60 per 100km. So, as you can see, a saving of $20 per 100km is quite a sizable amount over, say, 20,000km per year that I was travelling, or $4k per year just on fuel savings alone, and that was at worst as sometimes I would use a free local charger and save even more!
The trouble for us is the insurance cost. We have had my wives car for 18 years. It now has 50,000 mile on the clock. The insurance is £145. To insure the leaf they want £670, which is more than we spend on fuel each year.
As for traveling longer distances get a newer EV how far can you go between loo breaks? drive for 2-3 hours pull into a rapid charger plug in start the charge wiuth an App or RFID card, go for a comfort break maybe get a coffee by the time you come out the car is recharged, Unplug and resume your journey. On a longer journey I have never had to sit and wait for the car to charge its always charged up before we have finished our coffe or meal. In fact I could argue in this situation an EV is quicker, because in a pertol or diesel car you stop at the services go for a comfort break get a coffe etc THEN drive round to the pumps fill up the car, go in to pay and then resume your journey. so more time spent filling up and going in to pay.
We've recently moved to EV vans at work, ideal cause we do similar route every day so range never becomes an issue, but in family/home life im not conviced they are the answer
😂 i think the leaf single handedly scared everyone in the west into not buying evs . And thus gaved China years of advantage to develop their ev industry ...
If you are on a EV tariff at home then based on that 60 miles range in 24kwh will cost about 1.92. However What they dont tell you is that motorway driving they become a lot more thirsty so that 60 mile range drops lower than that. They do make sense as a second car to drive around town etc short slow journeys.
Sounds like you are not too up on EV tech or the car you are driving. You CAN charge it to 100%, you CAN put it in neutral, you CAN rapid charge it. And if you have the model with the little solar panel on top... that may well recharge your 12v battery if you should happen to kill it (though I have never known anyone else to kill said battery). I drive a 2011 Leaf... love it... still going strong in 2024... battery is about 70%... so range is getting low... but it is still our everyday driver... never once a mechanical failure... never once a trip to a gas stand (charged at home most evenings)... and only twice to a rapid charger in all that time.. it has needed tires, one 12v battery, one suspension boot... and that is it in 13 years of driving. Not even brake pads! Cheapest most reliable car by far that I have ever owned. Will be replacing it soon just because my sweetie gets range anxiety... even though she has never even come close to running it to empty. We are replacing it with a newer Leaf...
I don't ever drive more than 60km per day I am thinking of getting one of these second hand 5-7 thousand range and with with gas often being over $2 ltr in canada, if I save $200 a month in gas I can pay off one of these in savings in 3 years no problem
I say yes and no. Yes if your commute is short, hopefully not for a road trip. With lots of traffic lights or mandatory stops around town, any EVs will be a deal breaker.
Electricity must be a lot more expensive in the UK than here in California, my average weekly cost to keep it charged is about $10/week. (Driven about 150 miles/week)
With the cost of electricity at the moment I can just about afford to run a house let alone an electric car ! 😂 I can see this electric car future going tits up 😮 Apparently there is this amazing stuff called petrol, you put it in your old car that's been around for 20 years and you can travel over 400 miles, must be witchcraft 😊
@@bdeithrick not if you regularly do longer journeys....for a domestic town car and short commutes EVs are cheaper to run, but if you ever need to use public charging it is up to twice the price to run.
Didn`t the first generation Leaf have battery problems, where the batteries overheated due to them not having fan assisted cooling, leading to premature battery failure or mileage loss.
Yes, the chemistry in the battery was change on the 2015 model. Hence the one in this video having a low mileage but has lost 2 bars. My 2015 has the same mileage but still has 12 bars and 85% (18.8 KWh) of the usable 22KWh left. It can still do 85 miles on a 100% charge
My 1.6 diesel does 60 mpg... . It cost £100, in 2016....and still going strong.. Why would I give up my big car that cost nothing and doubles as a van for a cheap ev for say £4k... And an old one that only does 70 miles.... Love the EV tech.... But hate the price. 😂
With new EV's like the Nio ES6 offering a 150kw solid state battery giving a range of 578 miles, I think the future looks pretty rosie for leccy cars. By 2030 the idea of range anxiety being an issue will be for the birds.
Looks like a decent car but the range is terrible, 85 miles at best, if i fill my toyota yaris with petrol i get 450 miles, the leaf is ok if you are only driving short distances but a long journey would have to be well planned out for charging stops. I'm not knocking Electric cars but the range apart from Teslas is not very good.
economy?? what tarrif are you on?? Octopus go is 7p Kwh so set the timer between 0:30 and 05:30 and get that tarrif which makes any EV much cheaper than the mialage you are quoting I have a 2013 27Kwh battery Nissan leaf and it is charged overnight. To charge to 80% from a totally empty battery costs £1.50 (27kwh x 80% = 21.6 kwh x 7p = 1.512) 60 miles for 1.50 is not 40 MPG. carging at home on any overnight tarrif is way cheaper than filling up a pertol car for the same distace covered. Actually and as you point out my leaf does not get 60 miles on 80% charge in the winter it averages about 45 to 50 miles but it is a 13 year old car and I bought it with some battery degredation which can happen if the charging regieme is not well managed. Nissan Leaf's do not have battery management and these early ones suffer can from battery degredation. We also own a two year old EV which we bought new, that has a range of 270 miles (up to 300 in the summer) this is also charged overnight using a 7kw Zappie charger. OK I admit EV's are not for everyone and I also own a couple of motorcycles and a nice diesel car but for an everyday runabout such as you describe the leaf is a no brainer.
Some really cheap Renault Zoe Gts floating about in the trade 22/23 plates with 220 mile range ending up at £15-16k at the supermarkets IMO that’s where the value is in EV
I'm a petrolhead not an electrichead....1) i have no where to charge one as have no drive and have to park mon the road at work ...2) i do a 36 mile round trip commute........we haven't the infrastructure yet...and feel my 25 year old Rover is doing less harm to the world
Looking at the cost on standard tariff electric your figures stack up, However if you get your electric on the ev tariff you would be running that car at 50 % lower cost than a petrol,
You forgot one aspect,for tight budget. Electricity you pay at the end of the month ,so if you have financial issues you can go to work and pay after .in gas station you must pay at the moment
As both you and your partner have found, range anxiety is the biggest problem and 40 to 50 miles on a good day with no lights or aircon on is appalling, they were a good gimmick when then first launched, but now perhaps only good for the school run which is reflected in second price so low, parkers value yours at about 3K, but EV's in general do not hold their value and lose 50% in 2 years or less as overpriced from new
I work in the auction industry and the cars I see that comes through the doors some excellent some bad and some you just think why ie 2 seater smart cars lol this looks in good condtion ones I have seen haven't lol
No we had 6 on fleet at work one burst into flames at around 3 months old and took 3 others with it whilst on charge. We didn't keep the remaining 2 long afterwards 😅. Insurance bill was massive as it badly damaged the building aswell. I can't find the article as it was in the local news.
@ShiftingMetal apparently the battery overheated and ignited whilst charging, pretty scary. This was going back some years think they were 11 plates. They were a PR stunt to show the our company going green, kinda backfired 🤣🤣🤣 we have petrol octavia and diesel superb estates now.
Had this when it was new. Sold for 5k 4y later... Apart of the depreciation back then, I loved it. Flatout everywhere. Used to be the best car for London back thrn but still had to have 2nd car for any journey ohtside of the city. Due to paying over 60k back then, so close to 100k these days for 2 cars, around 3k each year in insurances ... No, these days one can buy single electric car ehich does all the job and that's the best way of going. These old electric cars simply don't have the range and with ChaDeMo charger they are doomed.
Ev cars are not for me I love the sound of an engine petrol or diesel. The ev cars are bulled up as eco friendly. But lithium batteries aren’t good for ozone layer either.
55 miles sucks. Why the world would anyone want to get something with that little range. If you are going to put something out, at least give it a big enough battery that will last more than a few days. I don't go a lot of places now, but if I have to do errands that are back to back, I want to be able to get home and not crap my pants trying to eek it home!
I lost count of the amount of inaccuracies during this review! It's like doing a review on a ford model T and complaining about it compared to modern vehicles.... This car will charge up on Chademo in about 20 minutes, not 4hours. With it's range it's designed for short journeys only. You said your wife does a 10 mile commute, you said that the car can do 60 miles to a full battery, why would you charge it every day?!?! You charge it every other day or every third day overnight at home. You also mentioned that the electric charging would cost the same if not more than petrol?!?! What's on earth are you paying per kilowatt at home!!! Even at 30 pence a kilowatt this would cost half the price of the petrol car to run.... And of course if you had an electric car you would have a cheaper overnight tariff, (usually around 9 pence per kilowatt) so this would make a "full tank" cost around £1.80, (60 miles at £1.80 equals 3 pence per mile!!! This also doesn't take into account how much cheaper an electric car is to run. Parts don't wear out as quick and servicing is much much cheaper...... The slow AC charging is due to the fact that the car will have a 3 kW on-board charger, (all modern EV's cars have a minimum 7 kW on-board charger AC). Terrible and anti EV review, very frustrating!!
Gawd, a range of 60 miles, top end E-bikes will do that these days. I SHOULD be tempted as my commute to work is 12 miles one way and there are free EV charging points at my place of work, so free travel right? Well yes, but every now and then I want to drive from Leeds to London or Scotland...or somewhere else more than 60 miles cos I want to. So now I resign myself to public transport or have a second (piston) car for long journeys? Doesn't stack up. The EV fad needs a revolutionary invention in electricity generation to make it stick. Might happen. I'm prepared to wait and see. 😉
Not sure where you get the figures from on cost being equivalent to a 40mpg petrol car. On 30p home electric (above the current price cap) vs the 157p a litre I paid yesterday for petrol it looks to be about half the price per mile to plug in at home! I'm pretty intrigued by the idea of a used Leaf as they are great if you just want a straightforward to drive car, it helps that I have a motorbike as well though so I wouldn't be fully committing to a shorter range vehicle.
Same here. Just purchased in may a 2015 24kwh leaf, replaced my old diesel car. Compared to that on standard tariff charged at home half a cost to cover the same miles. Now I went for octopus go tariff and day rate is just below 30p/kwh but during the night 4 hours window /slot I can charge the car on 9p/kwh. So more miles covered more money saved. I love the car. Covering about 30 miles a day
You bought one of the first generations of EV and your expectations are far too high. Today’s EV’s have a lot longer range and charge quickly. That Leaf won’t even come close to today’s charging speeds. Charging at home, as we do, is a damn sight lot cheaper than petrol or diesel. I’ll bring my new EV down and show you how today’s EV’s are a different animal to gen one.
No, not really. I’m just saying how the first gen is everyday. I know newer generations are much better but that doesn’t help someone considering buying a cheap leaf 🤷♂️ Sure, I’d love to try it
Buahahhahaha what a guy. Its like almost every number you gave was wrong, do you lie on purpose or you just bought horrible example of leaf? You dont even drive it daily because your wife does. Thats NOT an honest review
@@ShiftingMetal so I'm an incel because you're lying with numbers? Just drive it again but this time for a week not for 4 miles and do proper research. I don't mind you being anti electric cars but you've got sooo many things wrong. I may come off little aggressive calling you out but then you went with 'incel' insult?! Do you know what incel means? There is low life wannabe UA-camr who doesn't even know what words that he's using. 'incel' lol, so all you did was think about probably the worst insult you could imagine without even understanding what it means. If you want I'll make a comment with analysis of all the bs you are saying
I haven't deleted any comments and I called you an incel because you're getting all upset over Nissan Leaf.... I doubt the ladies (or men) are falling them over themselves to hear you recite EV stats 🤷♂️
Great to see someone giving it a go. We bought a used leaf in 2019 and honestly, it's been super. OK we have other cars, so it doesn't have to do everything, but if you use it for the journeys which make sense for it, it's great - like you say very spacious and practical, comfy etc. They really come into their own if you have solar panels or work somewhere where you can charge at their expense, then, they are practically free to run. Maintenance is far lower than engined cars.
We actually make money from ours as we lucked into getting a bidirectional charger on a trial, which means we can store electricity in it bought at night and export it back to the grid at teatime benefiting from the price differential. Vehicle to grid V2G and V2H (home) charging really is the future - using the fact that cars are parked up 90% of the time and enabling that energy storage to be used to flatten out the country's power demand peaks means less need to cater for the peaks in demand with nuclear or fossil fuel power stations. The Leaf is the only car that can do that right now - because chademo, although it's dying, chademo really is the betamax of charging connectors.
sorry for the essay - only one more thing to add. Some 30kWh leafs are still in 8yr battery warranty and close to being eligable for free replacement battery from Nissan, might be worth looking into for anyone considering a used leaf at the moment
Most important questions for the old Leaf are -
1. Can you charge at home?
2. Do you usually only do short journeys?
3. Do you have access to another car for long journeys?
Answer yes to these and its a no brainer economic great car If anwers are no best give it a swerve.
Liking your honesty!
Based on the Work vans we currently use with a 200mile range EVs are good as long as you have the charging facilities
I've been driving round in a Leaf exactly like this one for years and it is the cheapest vehicle to run I've ever owned. I charge overnight on cheap econmy 7. Never needs anything other than tyres & wipers. Only good for local stuff due to 65-85 mile range depending on season. Not good on big journeys as charging take 45-60mins on chademo. Can be done but a bit of a faf.
And Leafs have got much cheaper since this video was made. I bought mine for under £2000 and absolutely love it. If you can charge at home on cheap electricity they're easily the cheapest commuter available.
As a long time owner of a 2013, purchased in 2016 for a mere $6995, I would answer the question of whether or not it's worth buying as follows... My short answer is yes, but with this disclaimer; This should not be your only car, that (in my humble opinion) would cause way too much stress in your life. But if you use the leaf for what it was intended for, a grocery getter/commuter car, it is a great choice. But if your commute is more than about 30 miles each way (your mileage may vary depending on whether you charge to 80% or all the way to 100%) , you'll be pushing the envelope of range anxiety, in my opinion. To me, it's like driving a car with only about an eighth of a tank of fuel (maintaining between 20-80% in my case). It might feel more like a quarter tank if you charge to 100% but I set my charger to stop charging at 80% and at the end of my daily commute (depending on traffic) it's usually around 20-30%. My daily commute is about 34 miles roundtrip and it's about 90% freeway (yup, I live in LA). It seems counter intuitive but the heavier the traffic, the longer the charge lasts. At regular freeway speeds the battery discharges much quicker. It's funny, I've actually had times when I would get on the freeway with about 50% of charge (in bumper to bumper traffic) and 15 miles later when exiting the freeway (driving in 'B' mode), the battery had actually gained charge!
As for maintenance, the only thing we've had to replace are tires and windshield wipers. Also, this may be because I drive almost exclusively in 'B' mode, but it still has the factory brake pads and rotors and my mechanic told me a couple of months ago that they still have about 50% of life left in them. I don't know how much this car has saved us over the years but I would say it is significant. No fuel, no smog checks, no oil changes, no radiator, no belts, no hoses, etc. If you use it for what it was intended for, it is a great little car.
They're perfect for like you said short trips and short commutes. To put it in neutral, you hold the drive selector to the right for a few seconds
@Tron-Jockey Yeah, right, that company has been talking about this miracle battery for over a year and promised in early 2023 for release. They have been quiet for the last 6 months. Also, at $20k, it's hardly affordable now that used 40kwh Nissan Leaf are now close to that $20k after rebate for the entire car!
They are still a great company for servicing the Nissan Leaf, as well as software upgrades, but that battery is pretty much dead on arrival.
lol can I help you a little being a leaf owner (30kw). For a start you can get any dead cells replaced not the entire battery pack. If you had to charge at Tesco via the app then it was a 7kw fast charger. Same power as the wall box at home. If you used the rapid charger at Tesco you would of just tapped your credit card on the 50kw charger and you would of had a 80% charge in about15/20 minutes. Also if charging at home you get a tarrif for evs. I’m with octopus and for 120 mile range it costs me at the most £1.40. I charge every night as I deliver Amazon in mine doing 32500 miles a year. Faultless. I also visit events countrywide. Bought it in Scunthorpe. And visit the northern canals which I love and the midlands too. I live near Portsmouth. You need to do a leafspy to get a battery state of health for reassurance to the next buyer. Also check to see if it’s got the optional 6.6kw charger for faster overnight charging. ( not via 3 pin plug). If you would like to chat anymore about it. I’m happy to help. Previously had Hyundai ioniq 28 and Tesla model s. Best wishes.
Sounds like you’ve got it figured, I guess it takes some getting used to
Hello. I bought a used 2013 Nissan Leaf with 11 bars. Just about under 50000 kilometers in a wonderful shape. I think it’s great to commute with. And it saves us a lot of money compared to our old “second” car. If I compare the cars consumption the Leaf is outstanding. If I charge it up it costs about 12 Swedish crowns, and I can go to work and home 2 days for one charge…. That’s winner for us. Via Chademo I charge it up to 80% in about 30 minutes.Have a great 231117 ❤️
Let's hope that prospective owners of your Leaf don't watch this video Joe 🤣
😂 It’s only what I’d tell them in person!
@@ShiftingMetal I suspect it'll be the new Berrow Motors courtesy car 🤣🤣
Hi there.
You did not mention the Leaf will charge at 50KW on Chademo rapid charger, i.e. adding 10 to 80% battery in around 30 minutes.
Still enjoy all your videos, thank you
Murray
Thanks for the info!
You also said it will only charge upto 80% on a 13amp connection which is wrong, I think you need to try the very last of the 1st gens , maybe as a 30kwh model and then things get a little different - especially if you have a 6.6kw on board charger.
Some of these came with the he option of a solar panel on the roof to top up the 12 volt battery. Enjoying the channel.
Sounds sensible! Thanks!
Those were the very first Leafs that were made in Japan
I had one, and the solar panel is tiny! Probably 5w panel at most, so a bit of a joke really
Super in depth review and enlightening info. It was really great to hear your personal experience.
Good second car - school runs, supermarket visits etc etc. I'm retired and a car with, say 60 miles of range, would cover most of my trips but here's the thing - we went to the coast a few weeks ago for the day - 120 mile round trip. Went up to Scotland last year - did 600 miles. I'll stick with my hybrid for the time being.
The government seem to think this isn’t a problem. 2030 is not a long way away and we’re still dealing with these issues today. They’re hardly eco friendly either. The most carbon-heavy part of a car’s life is it’s production; EV production has been shown to be carbon-heavier than conventional vehicles.
Until I can charge an EV to 100% full in less than 5 minutes, and get 850 miles to a charge, I’ll be sticking to my diesel VW Passat - which, incidentally, gets over 70mpg when careful and costs just £20/year to tax
At work we have the E-NV200 which is a small van but has the same running gear as the leaf... Great for urban work, 20, 30 & 40 mph roads. The moment you have to venture say from bristol to say swindon on the motorway the range just vanishes, I had to supercharge at the services on the return leg and still then it was touch and go as to whether I would get back with decent range (I got back but at less than half range)
For someone undicided on weather an ev is suitable for you its a good entry level buy just to see
Would you recommend this car for a first-time driver?
The Leaf does have a Rapid charge on its CHAdeMO socket, so you can charge from zero to full in around half an hour, you dont need to wait for 4 hours as stated in your video. You can charge the leaf to 100% using a 13 amp 3 pin socket too, you dont have to only charge to 80%, there is facility in the settings to charge to 80% or 100% which you can change, may be worth having a look. Charging to 80% is recommended to prolong the battery life, but if you need to charge to 100% its okay, and every now and again is recommended to help balance the cells in the battery, just make sure you use the car soon after charging to 100%.
Glad this vid made I’ve had a couple provisional down to me 2400 in trade before fees motorway. Neither seller accepted bid so still not tried one for sale.
Love the honest frank perspective.
Problem is Tesco are 7 kWh chargers so they're slow (7 kw is for overnight ideally) Plus it's an old EV newer EVs i.e. my Model Y 2023 I charge it once a week and get over 300 miles. Appreciate this video is about the Leaf but in general EVs are getting better
How can you have a 7 kWh charger? Pls
You indicate charging to 80% only. The Leaf is capable of charging to 100% which is what you should be doing if you're concerned about range- you'll get another 15 miles of range which would be 75% of the Mrs daily work commute. We take our 2013 Leaf with 9 bars often on 45 mile round trips and it does well for a 11 year old car with 90,000 on it. In California, you can beat the economy this Leaf gives us - especially in that we have Solar and .13 per Kwh at night.
My old house and commute in North London it would have been ideal, also ULEZ exempt . Nowadays it just wouldn’t work for me.
10:09 greater kWh. kWh is the unit of capacity. kW is power. Battery not measured in power.
Where I am electric rate is cheap ($0.068 / kWh).
600 miles in a leaf is $13.60
600 miles in 40mpg car is $63.75
600 miles in my truck is over $210
For me if I charge at home, it is quite tempting for my 30 mile daily commute. 🧐
I'm definitely not a fan of these Joe. Far rather blast around in my Historic Lancia Fulvia Rallye, the sound, the smell no MOT, no TAX. However, I am a big fan of the channel 😊
I just bought a 14 plate one for 4.5k dies 90 miles and charges on the 3 pin granny charger in 7 hours from empty, considering the first owner paid 27k for it and the miles has only dropped by 15 miles maybe i think its a bargain, also when doing the math its about £6 to do 80 miles our peteol car is about £12 to do the same and when our tariff drops to 9p a kw soon it will be £2 per 80 miles, it is what it is a cheap run about cheap to run no tax whats not to like 🎉
Some countries' petrol is very expensive, here in NZ petrol is currently around $2.50 per lt vs 15.7 cents per kwh for night rate power. So the difference for us is much larger. Our ICE vehicle averages around 9lt per 100km in the city or $22.50 per 100km. The Leaf I used to own until I destroyed it last Monday in a car crash (my fault) would do around 6km per kwh, so around $2.60 per 100km. So, as you can see, a saving of $20 per 100km is quite a sizable amount over, say, 20,000km per year that I was travelling, or $4k per year just on fuel savings alone, and that was at worst as sometimes I would use a free local charger and save even more!
CX reg, that’s from north Wales Slaters of Abergele (not there now) keep up the good work
The trouble for us is the insurance cost. We have had my wives car for 18 years. It now has 50,000 mile on the clock. The insurance is £145. To insure the leaf they want £670, which is more than we spend on fuel each year.
Hi Joe. Yes I like those Leads. But i couldn't trust it on a Big journey. But nice colour Joe 😅 🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮
Can you keep it outside during the winter or will it damage the car? Also, does the battery degrade horribly or it’s not too bad ?
Yes of course. The cold weather effects it but you don’t have to keep it inside
How much does a battery cost & how much has it lost in value since it was new ?
Will you get an ICE car that's very efficient for 4k though?
As for traveling longer distances get a newer EV how far can you go between loo breaks? drive for 2-3 hours pull into a rapid charger plug in start the charge wiuth an App or RFID card, go for a comfort break maybe get a coffee by the time you come out the car is recharged, Unplug and resume your journey. On a longer journey I have never had to sit and wait for the car to charge its always charged up before we have finished our coffe or meal. In fact I could argue in this situation an EV is quicker, because in a pertol or diesel car you stop at the services go for a comfort break get a coffe etc THEN drive round to the pumps fill up the car, go in to pay and then resume your journey. so more time spent filling up and going in to pay.
We've recently moved to EV vans at work, ideal cause we do similar route every day so range never becomes an issue, but in family/home life im not conviced they are the answer
😂 i think the leaf single handedly scared everyone in the west into not buying evs . And thus gaved China years of advantage to develop their ev industry ...
If you are on a EV tariff at home then based on that 60 miles range in 24kwh will cost about 1.92. However What they dont tell you is that motorway driving they become a lot more thirsty so that 60 mile range drops lower than that. They do make sense as a second car to drive around town etc short slow journeys.
Great review very honest and i even learned bit more about the ev life but i still prefer the old diesel tho 😂
Maybe a car for Jordan, while his honda is off the road.
a good video A+😄
Sounds like you are not too up on EV tech or the car you are driving. You CAN charge it to 100%, you CAN put it in neutral, you CAN rapid charge it. And if you have the model with the little solar panel on top... that may well recharge your 12v battery if you should happen to kill it (though I have never known anyone else to kill said battery). I drive a 2011 Leaf... love it... still going strong in 2024... battery is about 70%... so range is getting low... but it is still our everyday driver... never once a mechanical failure... never once a trip to a gas stand (charged at home most evenings)... and only twice to a rapid charger in all that time.. it has needed tires, one 12v battery, one suspension boot... and that is it in 13 years of driving. Not even brake pads! Cheapest most reliable car by far that I have ever owned. Will be replacing it soon just because my sweetie gets range anxiety... even though she has never even come close to running it to empty. We are replacing it with a newer Leaf...
This would work best where EV's can get you into cities where congestion charges or certain inner suburban areas of cities like London.
About time someone gave us a portable spare charge . Like that can of petrol.
A generator in the boot....
Hi joe nice informative video I am not really on keen on ev's not very practical vehicles
I don't ever drive more than 60km per day I am thinking of getting one of these second hand 5-7 thousand range and with with gas often being over $2 ltr in canada, if I save $200 a month in gas I can pay off one of these in savings in 3 years no problem
At that age is it battery lease?
I think only the Zoe had a leased battery
Hi Joe,I haven't tried a electric car but when you urgently need to put the car on charge and no points to use then gets a bit nervous.
I say yes and no. Yes if your commute is short, hopefully not for a road trip. With lots of traffic lights or mandatory stops around town, any EVs will be a deal breaker.
Do you own the battery's on these or do you have to lease them from Nissan?
You own the batteries. But go 2015 model and above as the batteries last longer due to a change in the chemistry.
Thanks
If the 12v goes flat you can use a jump starter.
The future IS NOT electric ☺️
Electricity must be a lot more expensive in the UK than here in California, my average weekly cost to keep it charged is about $10/week. (Driven about 150 miles/week)
It sounds as if when you had the first 'fast charge' experience you didn't use the 'Chademo' port.
With the cost of electricity at the moment I can just about afford to run a house let alone an electric car ! 😂 I can see this electric car future going tits up 😮 Apparently there is this amazing stuff called petrol, you put it in your old car that's been around for 20 years and you can travel over 400 miles, must be witchcraft 😊
Petrol is 300% more expensive to run on
@@bdeithrick not if you regularly do longer journeys....for a domestic town car and short commutes EVs are cheaper to run, but if you ever need to use public charging it is up to twice the price to run.
Didn`t the first generation Leaf have battery problems, where the batteries overheated due to them not having fan assisted cooling, leading to premature battery failure or mileage loss.
Yes, the chemistry in the battery was change on the 2015 model. Hence the one in this video having a low mileage but has lost 2 bars. My 2015 has the same mileage but still has 12 bars and 85% (18.8 KWh) of the usable 22KWh left. It can still do 85 miles on a 100% charge
My 1.6 diesel does 60 mpg...
. It cost £100, in 2016....and still going strong.. Why would I give up my big car that cost nothing and doubles as a van for a cheap ev for say £4k... And an old one that only does 70 miles.... Love the EV tech.... But hate the price. 😂
With new EV's like the Nio ES6 offering a 150kw solid state battery giving a range of 578 miles, I think the future looks pretty rosie for leccy cars. By 2030 the idea of range anxiety being an issue will be for the birds.
Looks like a decent car but the range is terrible, 85 miles at best, if i fill my toyota yaris with petrol i get 450 miles, the leaf is ok if you are only driving short distances but a long journey would have to be well planned out for charging stops. I'm not knocking Electric cars but the range apart from Teslas is not very good.
You must have a rubbish tarrif or not using the night tarrif to charge the car if it works out at the same as petrol or diesel
I don’t have a night tariff
@@ShiftingMetal fair enough then that’s why it costs the same as a petrol/diesel car
Yeah, no way is it the same as 40mpg car, that's 16.2p/mile vs 1p/mile for the leaf (assuming fuel is 143p and 5p/kwh)
economy?? what tarrif are you on?? Octopus go is 7p Kwh so set the timer between 0:30 and 05:30 and get that tarrif which makes any EV much cheaper than the mialage you are quoting I have a 2013 27Kwh battery Nissan leaf and it is charged overnight. To charge to 80% from a totally empty battery costs £1.50 (27kwh x 80% = 21.6 kwh x 7p = 1.512)
60 miles for 1.50 is not 40 MPG. carging at home on any overnight tarrif is way cheaper than filling up a pertol car for the same distace covered.
Actually and as you point out my leaf does not get 60 miles on 80% charge in the winter it averages about 45 to 50 miles but it is a 13 year old car and I bought it with some battery degredation which can happen if the charging regieme is not well managed. Nissan Leaf's do not have battery management and these early ones suffer can from battery degredation. We also own a two year old EV which we bought new, that has a range of 270 miles (up to 300 in the summer) this is also charged overnight using a 7kw Zappie charger.
OK I admit EV's are not for everyone and I also own a couple of motorcycles and a nice diesel car but for an everyday runabout such as you describe the leaf is a no brainer.
But you can change to an EV tariff and charge for 7.5p per kWh
Some really cheap Renault Zoe Gts floating about in the trade 22/23 plates with 220 mile range ending up at £15-16k at the supermarkets IMO that’s where the value is in EV
that's expensive parkers value about 11K
Its amusing that this 10 year old Nissan Leaf has more torque than the latest MG4!
I don't think you plugged it into the right connector, it takes about 20 mins to charge on a rapid charger
I'm a petrolhead not an electrichead....1) i have no where to charge one as have no drive and have to park mon the road at work ...2) i do a 36 mile round trip commute........we haven't the infrastructure yet...and feel my 25 year old Rover is doing less harm to the world
Looking at the cost on standard tariff electric your figures stack up,
However if you get your electric on the ev tariff you would be running that car at 50 % lower cost than a petrol,
You forgot one aspect,for tight budget. Electricity you pay at the end of the month ,so if you have financial issues you can go to work and pay after .in gas station you must pay at the moment
As both you and your partner have found, range anxiety is the biggest problem and 40 to 50 miles on a good day with no lights or aircon on is appalling, they were a good gimmick when then first launched, but now perhaps only good for the school run which is reflected in second price so low, parkers value yours at about 3K, but EV's in general do not hold their value and lose 50% in 2 years or less as overpriced from new
I work in the auction industry and the cars I see that comes through the doors some excellent some bad and some you just think why ie 2 seater smart cars lol this looks in good condtion ones I have seen haven't lol
You do know there are EV electricity tariffs out there. Costs £1.80 to charge that
No we had 6 on fleet at work one burst into flames at around 3 months old and took 3 others with it whilst on charge. We didn't keep the remaining 2 long afterwards 😅. Insurance bill was massive as it badly damaged the building aswell. I can't find the article as it was in the local news.
Oh dear!
@ShiftingMetal apparently the battery overheated and ignited whilst charging, pretty scary. This was going back some years think they were 11 plates. They were a PR stunt to show the our company going green, kinda backfired 🤣🤣🤣 we have petrol octavia and diesel superb estates now.
Sign up for Octopus Energy and get the Intelligent Octopus tariff - £0.07 per kw for 8 hours. Costs me around £6 to “fill” my 90kw car.
I wonder why they only give you that if you have a smart meter?????????????? Hmm
@@fredflintstone1 They can't control the cheaper hours on an old meter.
@@robertpowell7672 I know 🙂 but they could sell an economy 7 meter that was dumb
they might be ok if you want to go the shop and back before you need to charge the batteries lol
Had this when it was new. Sold for 5k 4y later... Apart of the depreciation back then, I loved it. Flatout everywhere. Used to be the best car for London back thrn but still had to have 2nd car for any journey ohtside of the city. Due to paying over 60k back then, so close to 100k these days for 2 cars, around 3k each year in insurances ... No, these days one can buy single electric car ehich does all the job and that's the best way of going. These old electric cars simply don't have the range and with ChaDeMo charger they are doomed.
I never liked the leaf or any ev BUT I really hate em now good man Joe 😂
No I like the sound of an engine.
I would never own an EV I have a Peugeot diesel £35 a year to tax and getting 600 miles on a full tank👍🏻
Simple answer No.£6000 geeezzzz wouldn't give you £6 for it.
I wouldn’t even give 6p for it! 😂
@@priteshchampaneri5101 🤣😂🤣
I wouldn't give 1p
Ev cars are not for me I love the sound of an engine petrol or diesel. The ev cars are bulled up as eco friendly. But lithium batteries aren’t good for ozone layer either.
55 miles sucks. Why the world would anyone want to get something with that little range. If you are going to put something out, at least give it a big enough battery that will last more than a few days. I don't go a lot of places now, but if I have to do errands that are back to back, I want to be able to get home and not crap my pants trying to eek it home!
I will just stick too petrol
And I'll stick to planet destroying Diesel 💪😂
instant torque instant Battery miles lost!! if you plug in at work you would then come in for BIK tax Joe! even if its ur own car!
if your paying as much to charge your leaf as you did paying for fuel, your doing something wrong.
Good for a wheel chock😂
I lost count of the amount of inaccuracies during this review! It's like doing a review on a ford model T and complaining about it compared to modern vehicles....
This car will charge up on Chademo in about 20 minutes, not 4hours. With it's range it's designed for short journeys only. You said your wife does a 10 mile commute, you said that the car can do 60 miles to a full battery, why would you charge it every day?!?! You charge it every other day or every third day overnight at home. You also mentioned that the electric charging would cost the same if not more than petrol?!?! What's on earth are you paying per kilowatt at home!!! Even at 30 pence a kilowatt this would cost half the price of the petrol car to run.... And of course if you had an electric car you would have a cheaper overnight tariff, (usually around 9 pence per kilowatt) so this would make a "full tank" cost around £1.80, (60 miles at £1.80 equals 3 pence per mile!!! This also doesn't take into account how much cheaper an electric car is to run. Parts don't wear out as quick and servicing is much much cheaper......
The slow AC charging is due to the fact that the car will have a 3 kW on-board charger, (all modern EV's cars have a minimum 7 kW on-board charger AC). Terrible and anti EV review, very frustrating!!
Get a grip
The car for people who don't like cars
Gawd, a range of 60 miles, top end E-bikes will do that these days. I SHOULD be tempted as my commute to work is 12 miles one way and there are free EV charging points at my place of work, so free travel right?
Well yes, but every now and then I want to drive from Leeds to London or Scotland...or somewhere else more than 60 miles cos I want to. So now I resign myself to public transport or have a second (piston) car for long journeys?
Doesn't stack up. The EV fad needs a revolutionary invention in electricity generation to make it stick. Might happen. I'm prepared to wait and see. 😉
Hydrogen is the way to go.
Mr Putin agrees.💣
How many charging stations are there in the UK for hydrogen?
You are beginning to sound like High Peak the more vids you do... Unfortunately that is not a channel I like.
Agreed
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You made conclusions but accidentally thought you could only charge to 80% on the granny and really slowly at Tesco..both wrong sos mate
Not sure where you get the figures from on cost being equivalent to a 40mpg petrol car. On 30p home electric (above the current price cap) vs the 157p a litre I paid yesterday for petrol it looks to be about half the price per mile to plug in at home! I'm pretty intrigued by the idea of a used Leaf as they are great if you just want a straightforward to drive car, it helps that I have a motorbike as well though so I wouldn't be fully committing to a shorter range vehicle.
Same here. Just purchased in may a 2015 24kwh leaf, replaced my old diesel car. Compared to that on standard tariff charged at home half a cost to cover the same miles. Now I went for octopus go tariff and day rate is just below 30p/kwh but during the night 4 hours window /slot I can charge the car on 9p/kwh. So more miles covered more money saved. I love the car. Covering about 30 miles a day
Have had my 2013 for awhile now and I'll be the first to say it is the ugliest car I've ever owned but it is the most fun to drive.
No is the answer.
You bought one of the first generations of EV and your expectations are far too high. Today’s EV’s have a lot longer range and charge quickly. That Leaf won’t even come close to today’s charging speeds. Charging at home, as we do, is a damn sight lot cheaper than petrol or diesel. I’ll bring my new EV down and show you how today’s EV’s are a different animal to gen one.
No, not really. I’m just saying how the first gen is everyday. I know newer generations are much better but that doesn’t help someone considering buying a cheap leaf 🤷♂️ Sure, I’d love to try it
Electric cars R.I.P
Buahahhahaha what a guy. Its like almost every number you gave was wrong, do you lie on purpose or you just bought horrible example of leaf? You dont even drive it daily because your wife does. Thats NOT an honest review
Yes, I lie on purpose. It’s bait to bring out the incels in the comments 🏆
@@ShiftingMetal so I'm an incel because you're lying with numbers? Just drive it again but this time for a week not for 4 miles and do proper research. I don't mind you being anti electric cars but you've got sooo many things wrong. I may come off little aggressive calling you out but then you went with 'incel' insult?! Do you know what incel means? There is low life wannabe UA-camr who doesn't even know what words that he's using. 'incel' lol, so all you did was think about probably the worst insult you could imagine without even understanding what it means. If you want I'll make a comment with analysis of all the bs you are saying
You know what, have it. I don't need another sentence. I'm sorry I called your video out for mistakes
@@ShiftingMetal i hope the comment you deleted hurt enough to make video properly next time
I haven't deleted any comments and I called you an incel because you're getting all upset over Nissan Leaf.... I doubt the ladies (or men) are falling them over themselves to hear you recite EV stats 🤷♂️