Second Reality X16

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  • Опубліковано 26 лис 2024

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  • @MobileICTHengelo
    @MobileICTHengelo Місяць тому +3

    Make Squidward proud

  • @akumanatt
    @akumanatt 2 місяці тому +23

    Finally an impressive showcase of 6502 load/store performance

    • @florianb3935
      @florianb3935 2 місяці тому

      For the newbies here, what do you mean? I don't know about this computer, but I wonder how a 6502 can do so much, is that all prerendered? For reference, I'd expect something more like the GX4000 with that power, where drawing a single column of tiles per frame for scrolling, is already really an amazing performance 😅

    • @MichaelPuterbaugh
      @MichaelPuterbaugh 2 місяці тому +1

      It's not necessarily PRE-rendered, but it's a common homebrew technique in 8-bit computing to offload intensive computation to a peripheral coprocessor, leaving the main 6502 with nothing to do but copy data from the coprocessor to the output ports.
      Some feel this is cheating, other consider it a valid approach; it was in fact used during the 8-bit era, with 1984's Atari 2600 version of Pitfall 2 containing a custom chip designed to feed graphics and audio data as fast as it could be read.

  • @lowstaar
    @lowstaar Місяць тому +1

    Cool

  • @alexandermirdzveli3200
    @alexandermirdzveli3200 2 місяці тому +10

    Loved the classic EGA font in the first scene.

  • @ZNZbane
    @ZNZbane 2 місяці тому +6

    I can't believe people are still making 2R ports, this rules

    • @AlphaYellow
      @AlphaYellow 2 місяці тому +3

      And why not, it's widely considered as one of the most influential and best PC demos ever created

  • @EOB16
    @EOB16 2 місяці тому +7

    That’s a absolutely incredible demo for the Commander X16 and it makes a good use of the VERA FX,
    I also very like the PC Startup reference in the beginning.

  • @HalyconDayz620
    @HalyconDayz620 2 місяці тому +2

    Absolute technical masterpiece. The audio surpasses the original Future Crew (Skaven / Purple motion score). Otherwise - it's all there!

  • @PeBesik
    @PeBesik 2 місяці тому +5

    great music conversion. demo, itself is masterful. I was amused by the simplification of the terrain effect 😅 - cool
    Bravo

  • @jacekdojwa5319
    @jacekdojwa5319 2 місяці тому +1

    awesome

  • @AiOinc1
    @AiOinc1 2 місяці тому +6

    Absolutely beautiful! Always love to see ports of this demo.

  • @madmax2069
    @madmax2069 2 місяці тому +2

    8:31 is what i was waiting to see. Well done

  • @kilianhekhuis
    @kilianhekhuis 2 місяці тому +13

    Respect, very impressive! The only thing I'm missing are credits to the original authors of the music and the art work. Iirc they're credited in the credits of 2nd reality, so would've been easy to add.

    • @jeffreyhullekes6866
      @jeffreyhullekes6866 2 місяці тому +2

      I think it is custom to refer to/credit the original authors as a group, not individual members, only if they personally know them or had contact with them. Maybe during the part-credits the original individuals could still be credited.

    • @kilianhekhuis
      @kilianhekhuis 2 місяці тому

      @@jeffreyhullekes6866 yeah, the individual members are credited in the original, so would've been easy to do

  • @f15sim
    @f15sim 2 місяці тому +2

    Holy forking shirtballs. WELL DONE!

  • @dbug64
    @dbug64 2 місяці тому +2

    Very well done, bravo!

  • @cosmicrdt
    @cosmicrdt 2 місяці тому +2

    The x16 would be nothing without the Vera fx.
    I'd love for you to release the source! Especially the 3d parts.

  • @Vampier
    @Vampier 2 місяці тому

    there used to be a time where you needed a 486dx for this :) well done!

  • @cmachador
    @cmachador 2 місяці тому

    How incredible... the magic returns again!!!

  • @antdude
    @antdude 2 місяці тому +1

    Nice! Can youv please post a MP3 of your soundtrack? :)

  • @AtariEric
    @AtariEric 2 місяці тому +1

    Awesome.

  • @ricksinca5969
    @ricksinca5969 2 місяці тому +4

    Very nifty, I thought some of these effects looked quite familiar and then I realized it was a remake of an OG demo for X16 ;) Is the relatively low rez of the plasma effect due to something VERA specific, or just due to early days of X16 exploration that'll inevitably refine?

    • @mooinglemur
      @mooinglemur  2 місяці тому +4

      We'll have to see. The plasma effect is heavy on the CPU but light on RAM usage (the loading pause is preloading for the subsequent effect). I'm sure it can be improved upon with more precalc, and I look forward to seeing this demo outdone by something even more spectacular!

  • @theoasisbbs
    @theoasisbbs 2 місяці тому

    Nicely done!

  • @Foster_MSX
    @Foster_MSX 2 місяці тому

    Cool, well done! :)

  • @pasromano75
    @pasromano75 2 місяці тому

    Very impressive .... Close to sega Genesis ....

  • @benbreeck3363
    @benbreeck3363 2 місяці тому

    Well, I'm still not certain that a 320×240 Doom port, even at the level of the Super NES version is possible unless it's on a cartridge with add-in chips, but I believe the likes of near perfect arcade ports of the likes of Space Harrier, Road Blasters, Aqua Jack, and Afterburner should be quite possible (within palette limits, of course), provided they're on a machine with at least 1 MB of High RAM. I even suspect that 640x480 ports of Pac Mania, Shinobi, and The Ninja Warriors are possible...

  • @maxbleatvt
    @maxbleatvt 2 місяці тому +1

    This theme reminds me of Miracle Matter 2:38

  • @map04wormhole
    @map04wormhole 2 місяці тому +2

    Wow!

  • @kroniqque
    @kroniqque 2 місяці тому +6

    nice but why voxel waves part is so weak? 7:52

    • @MarcSola7
      @MarcSola7 2 місяці тому

      It would be impossible to accomplish on something that is slower than a 486 PC, so they had to resort with Parallax scrolling.

    • @jeffreyhullekes6866
      @jeffreyhullekes6866 2 місяці тому +6

      It was also the last part added and there was time pressure to get the demo ready for release. There are several parts we could improve (a bit) but there is a point (after a year of work) you have to wrap it up. We are happy with the result: you can clearly see what kinds of things you can do with the x16. We hope it inspires others to create demos for this (or other) retro machines.

  • @kingdededelicious
    @kingdededelicious 2 місяці тому +2

    This is obnoxiously overpowered for something that only has an 8-bit CPU

  • @qdmc12
    @qdmc12 2 місяці тому

    Oo I just realized this was recent!

  • @Koutsie
    @Koutsie 2 місяці тому

    hahahah, this is awesome!

  • @darksword1
    @darksword1 2 місяці тому +2

    Are drawing to an off-screen buffer and then blitting it to the video ram? Or are you drawing directing to video ram? If so, I thought the X16 wasn't good at direct access to video ram? Did the hardware get changed?

    • @TheBeeshSpweesh
      @TheBeeshSpweesh 2 місяці тому +5

      The VERA recently got some "FX" extensions which allow certain types of drawing and bitmap manipulation to be done faster. Without them, this demo wouldn't have been as accurate to the PC original.

    • @darksword1
      @darksword1 2 місяці тому +3

      @@TheBeeshSpweesh yes, but my question still stands. Is the demo drawing directly to video memory or to some off-screen buffer and then blitting it to video mem? The CX16 was known for being very slow for writes to the Video mem because there was no direct access. So how are they drawing these effects?

    • @jeffreyhullekes6866
      @jeffreyhullekes6866 2 місяці тому +4

      ​​​@darksword1 there are roughly 15 demo parts and they use all different kinds of techniques to create the (visual) effect needed. Asking if the demo uses an off-screen buffer cannot be answered (easily), since all these parts work differently. But for most of them: no. The x16 can write to VRAM as fast as you can towards RAM (linearly). It was never really the lack of DMA that slowed things down, more a lack of knowing/imagining how to do it without it. The FX extension has several clever helpers inside of VERA to speed up things quite a bit, but its still behind a 8-bit VERA port. However those helpers were made in such a way that you could still benefit from them greatly despite the port-like access to the VERA chip. And they are specifically aimed to speed up what would otherwise be cpu or bandwidth intensive tasks.

    • @akumanatt
      @akumanatt 2 місяці тому +4

      X16 has no DMA or blitter at all. This is just pure unrolled loop of memory port banging to the FX helper.

    • @darksword1
      @darksword1 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jeffreyhullekes6866 I still don't like the cumbersome port access but the demo is impressive, it's good for the X16 to have such a demo to show off it's capabilities.

  • @sheaton319
    @sheaton319 Місяць тому

    Is there a name to the track at 4:55?

  • @danielmantione
    @danielmantione 2 місяці тому +1

    It's still not the original, but is is awfully close to it!

  • @jc33353
    @jc33353 2 місяці тому +2

    Depentagrammed

    • @MysteriousFoxy87
      @MysteriousFoxy87 Місяць тому +1

      That's right, I mean it's not even technically satanic since it's not inverted.. I guess they preferred to remove it so that it was "family friendly"..??
      Maybe it could be because they inspired themselves from the C64 version which also has this symbol removed, but for technical reasons