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@@darthsidious6167 oh... HELLO THERE Emperor Palpatine i reallllllllly dont know of any death star and i LOVE the Empire and i even want to be a Stormtrooper.....ok ?
I love how a KV 1 casually takes a shot from a PZ IV H, while also missing 90% of their shots, and then the T 34-85 shooting while driving, without a stabilizer.
Germans had an excellent strategy here; first, scurry from cover, then rush uphill, shoulder to shoulder, through the open field, straight toward the enemy tank, without firing more than a couple of times.
Russian movies are not for sense or story, Russian movies are all for loving mother Russia and proud of handmade history no matter what. Don't look for a logic there.
@@LastZeel ok if you look at any war movie, or even just a movie. Russians fighting against Americans or anyone else, who’s gonna win? Russians. In American movies who’s gonna win against another? Americans. The list goes on. Everyone wants to prove they’re better than the other
Its a true story. German panzers were known to feast on random artillery explosions in the field, rushing towards it frantically. And the KV-1 tank was the roomiest tank in history. Sporting a 2 bedroom unit and a mezzanine.
In Russia, they laugh at modern Russian films about the war. They are all saturated with falseness according to the rules of Hollywood, the lack of logic, the ridiculous tantrums of the heroes and inappropriate religion, but real history in the society of the prevailing scientific approach and atheism. All this is nonsense and lies about the real war that the USSR and the Soviet people waged against Hitler, who was armed with the money of the capitalists, and who was supposed to destroy the state of workers and peasants, which prevented the rich from exploiters from all over the world. In Russia, they love films about the war made in the 60s and 80s, during the Soviet era, they were honest about people, albeit weak in terms of effects.
German tank platoon commander: C'mon guys lets advance as close as possible to them and shoot on the move . Also stay as close to each other as possible. It will look cooler and might intimidate the enemy.
You are a foreigner and you don’t know that in KV 1 it’s uncomfortable and all the more so in a place. Most of the place is occupied by the reservation of the tank. This is the biggest mistake in our tanks, and yes I am from Russia
@@billwhelpley6825 those are not tiger mockups, they are Panzer 4s with the late war modifications against AT explosives. If Im not mistaken versions H and J had those.
KV-1s were easy targets for long barreled Panzer IVs,it was the the ones with short 37mm and 75mm barrels which struggled to penetrate armors of KV-1s and T-34s.
Panzer IVs only had 75 mm guns (short then long). The 37 mm was on Panzer IIIs (which then got the 50 mm and then the long 50 mm which finally could do damage)
@@Spido68_the_spectatorthe 37mm/short 50mm could kill T-34s and KV-1s. Or did the insane amounts of T-34s and KV-1s being destroyed by the Pz IIIs in 1941 pass your mind?
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406 many Soviet tanks in the first few months of Barbarossa were abandoned or destroyed by their crews as they ran out of fuel and the logistics were in complete disarray
@@johnnyjohnson7022 you are right but i just wrote my comment as a joke. And if u compare by the ideology, than the nazi one is much more cancerus than the comminist ideology. Comparing stalin and hitler is a differnt topic, but we can agree both were extremely evil.
And even better is that panzer crews were trained to stop and fire, being instructed that firing on the move was nothing more than a waste of ammunition
I mean this is pretty much how it went when German tanks met KV's and T-34's in 1941. They got completely rolled over when ever they had actual meeting engagements, with panzers being unable to penetrate Russian armor from as little as 10 meters away in some cases.
@Ok Ok the 76mm gun on the T-34 was more powerful than anything mounted on German armor at the start of Barbarossa, the Panzer III would remain the most common tank in German service for the entire war. German armor on a technical level never outperformed its competition, exceptional gains were made by the German armor corps through strategic level decisions and widespread adoption of radio, but from the first weeks in France to the last days in Germany, German tanks faced better guns, armor and engines everywhere they looked.
@@nwomaimun821 don't need to read past your first line to know that you're a nazi and here to bad faith argue. German tanks were garbage, you get your tank knowledge from Mein Kampf? Don't reply, I know your type is willing to lie since this is directly attached to your world view so no evidence would actually be worth saying.
@@user-cm7uo3yc8z that 7,5cm kwk 40 is strong enough on that distance againts KV series armours, but again, they are shooting on the move so that could be an issue.
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-Tiger scene in Fury is the most ridiculous tank fight I have ever seen in a movie. This scene: Hold my vodka...
the tiger scene were the fakes, no tiger would charge forward, the tanks could hit the tiger into the driver area, both literally gave up their advantages.
@@MaliqIbrahim-1306 and the Tiger were suppose the hit the first tank of the tank squad not the last tank, that's how WWII Nazi Germany tactics works for tank battles, Fury have a very heavy plot armor for sure lmao
may not have been the most realistic movie with the tank scenes, BUT cinematically speaking was great. The faint music when he called the first target was a great start at the fight to come
Gets shot more then enough with no damage at all and even when it misses it still damages enemy tanks, idk but I think they were pressured that the Russians must win
@@kons37flyingreaperoldchann21 This actually happened but in 1941 (on that day 5 KV-1 tanks took out 43 panzers) so the T-34/85 and Pz IV ausf. H tanks are completely out of place (and out of time) and the only tank this scene got (mostly) right is the KV :D It faced mostly early Pz.IV (with short gun) and Pz 35(t) tanks which really couldn't cause much damage to it. Here's a good informative video on this battle :) ua-cam.com/video/UELuC69pszE/v-deo.html
Panzer: Ricochet! Panzer: That one bounced! KV-1; We hit them hard! KV-1: Enemy armour is destroyed! KV-1: Enemy Vehicle destroyed! VICTORY KV-1: 3 Kills/1500 Damage Map: Malinovka
Actually, The ZiS-5 gun has less destructive performance if you compare this to HwK40 gun that mounted on Panzer IV H, and HwK 40 gun that can penetrate up to 176mm. at 100m. can easily penetrate KV1 turret armor as it thick for only 90mm. destroying turret ring and injure crew member or worse trigger the ammunition rag and shit everything up.
@@ДмитрийЧернышев-щ2н Польская мова нафиг никому не нужна в России особо, как и любая другая славянская. Да она и сложная такая, что просто ппц. Даже мой брат-полукровка и то бросил идею польский выучить.
@@Lazarenko93 I never did say the tactics on this movie was blitzkrieg I just said there was a tactic called blitzkrieg and basically what the panzers was trying to do was rush the tank and out flank it.
Орк Ур-Шак By 1942 the Tiger had come out and ruined that armour record. And the next year in 1943, the Panther, Ferdinand and Brummbar existed. The Pak 40 could also penetrate it.
They're sloped like hell. The Panzers kept hitting the turret's head and side areas, which could easily deflect those 76mm rounds. If it was a Tiger II round, then it would most likely penetrate it. A T-34's opticals were less advanced compared to the Panzer IV's, but its sloped armour is strong enough to deflect a 76mm AP round from the Panzer IV
Ah,good ol Panzer IVs.Always the underdogs in movies.This could’ve been realistic if these tanks were early Panzer IV variants,not the fricking Aust H from 1943 which could easily destroy KV-1s.
actually the stupid thing on this scene is, an tank never takes shots while he is driving because it make the shots incredibly inaccurate, because your turret is wiggling and aiming is very difficult for your tank-crew.
@@zeparthe16thspiritofarsgoe15 that KV-1 gun could slice through a Panzer 4 armour easily, and a Tiger 1's armour from the front if the tiger wasnt angled like the KV-1 is in the video
There was a world war 2 Russian tank discovered not too many years ago (25 or so I think) with the dead crew still inside. It was covered with dirt and plants from the passage of time, so had gone undiscovered all those years. One of the tankers wrote what happened. They had gotten separated from their group and found themselves behind a column of german tanks. They decided to attack and destroyed a number of tanks, but got hit in the process. They got away with all of the crew fatally injured. The least injured crewman wrote the letter to his fiance describing the events and said he could die happy knowing he had done what he could to stop the invasion.
Let's see The KV1 is using the 76mm ZiS5 AT gun. The gun has around 75 millimeter of penetration at 500m with the BR350B APHE round. (No WW2 soviet tanks had APDS rounds, telling your loader to load sabot doesn't help magically spawn a sabot. Maybe he's referring to the APCR round (BR350P) which has 90 mm penetration at 500m, disregarding angles) The version of Panzer IV in the film is likely Ausf. H (judging by the L/48 KwK40 gun) which could fire PzGr 39 with 125mm of penetration at 500 meter range and had PzGr 40 APCR with 145mm penetration at 0 degree angles) The KV1 had hull armor of 100m (adding the front plates) and Turret armor of 90mm. The long 75 wouldn't have any trouble penetrating the KV1 at these ranges while the KV itself would be unable to penetrate the hull of the Panzer IV (with the upgraded 80mm hull armor in ausf H) and can only penetrate the 50mm turret. Even without considering the tactics, this video is factually incorrect.
Ozjasz Goldberg That’s where the kicking comes in. You exit your tank, enter your teammates tank and kick him in the head with 45 N exactly. Now he’ll know to say roger the next time you repeat this process and command him to fire.
@@Mr_Fancypants depends what time period this movie takes place. For example, if it were in 1941, then the Russian tankers would be using the flags. Because they don't have radios in their tanks yet. But If this movie takes place between 1943-44, then, yes, they uses radios.
@@gmwpphs1899 during the time of my military service from 1983 through 2014, most American combat vehicles had three flags (Green, Red, Yellow) to use during times of Radio silence, or if our radios malfunctioned. Keeping modern (1980's) radios such as the VRC 46 all up on a platoon/Company radio net was difficult. Even the SINGARS and other "ultra" modern radios up was not easy in Afghanistan, Iraq, or even in Training! More than once, we would perform a "commo check" in the motor pool, everybody would be up... We would drive the short distance to the ECP (Entry Control Point) of the FOB (Forward Operating Base) and one of the vehicles would have dropped off the net! Not to mention failures while we were on a Mission! That was a significant improvement from the 1980's! Now, imagine all the troubles with vacuum Tube AM Radios of the 1930's & 1940's! Russian Company, and Battalion Command Tanks had Radios, Platoon Leaders only had Receivers! Weirdly, a higher percentage of Pre-war Russian tanks had radios! ALL German tanks had radios.
This is a KV tank. It had a 3-inch armor thickness around. In 1941, near Leningrad, one KV tank destroyed 22 enemy tanks in battle. There were more than 100 hits on KV, when KV came out of the battle, his tower was jammed. The KV in that battle was camouflaged, and the enemy tanks were lightly armored. It was a real battle, the tank was put on the monument after, it was all like a sieve, but it did its job
This is misleading. -Yes, this happened, and yes, the KV-1 ended up with more than 150 hits and survived -HOWEVER, there is a bit of context missing : -The KV-1 was ambushing the German tanks and had a major advantage -The KV-1 was in a hulldown position so the turret could turn to fire, without exposing the hull. -MOST IMPORTANTLY the tanks the KV-1 took down were short barrelled Panzer IVs and Pz. 35ts, these tanks are not the same as the ones portrayed in the video (Long-barrelled Panzer IVs, which could take out a KV-1 with no problem)
@Christopher Fischetti i totally agree, the supply lines were to long. Nevertheless a big mistake of the Germans to fight at two fronts. The Russians had a non ending supply of troops, equipment and others. War is stupid, nobody wins, everyboby loses.
tolik lisiy Stalin wanted to buy time and stay on the defensive as to not show signs of agression to the Nazis. Hitler had to invade the USSR, destroying communism and exterminating the Slavs was a part of mein kampf and of the fascist ideology.
I’m glad they at least broke some of the common misconceptions about the KV-1 in this scene, specifically with its constant malfunctions showing off exactly why it was not as effective on the battlefield as it was on paper.
Yeah the russians didn't have radio in the tanks in 1941. They actually communicated using flags. Now, how easy do you think it was so see the flags during combat with all the smoke from the engine and gun? He-he. The russians had a lot of losses in 1941-1942.
From what I understood, I agree with what you say, but still the amount of explosion in an AP shell isn’t very much and not nearly as much as this movie showed
A few things: 1. Shooting on the move? The panzer 4 had no stabilization .. 2. The KV had good armor in 1941, but these Pz4's are late models (version H I think) with a long 75mm cannon (7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48) which could penetrate a KV's frontal armor (116 - 141 mm penetration at 750m - depending on the ammo). Also, they positioned their tank in such a way, that the frontal plate, which has a bit of a slope, would be hit at a 90 degree angle totally negating the slope advantage. And they could get hit under the bulge around the cannon - this angle makes that area a shell trap. 3. The pz4 H had 80mm armor in the front and 50mm on the turret - penetration was possible (depending on the ammo) even through the front armor, but German optics where better and they could engage at a much longer distance. The ammo they are using (looks like BR-350P armour-piercing, composite rigid (APCR)) had 60mm pen at 1000m and 92mm at 500. So, the German tanks could shoot from far away, penetrate the KV, probably not get hit in return and even if, only a turret hit would penetrate. Also, the shell would have to go through the front armor, through the crew compartment and penetrate the engine to do what the movie shows (light up the engine). And how does a tank keep going after it's engine explodes like that?
@@matztertaler2777 well since there's t-34-85 it's probably around 1944. They have radios on their tanks back then. The soviet isnt exactly lacking radio. But more like lacking reliable radios
@@cyka7705 that’s partially true, I didn’t recognise that these were t 34 85, anyway the soviets started to equip their tanks with radios in 1944, but only the new ones and very few of the old ones, so all of their tanks wouldn’t have radios, and also they broke very frequently, so it was nearly impossible to have a platoon of tanks all equipped with radios.
@@bonkey8235 KV-1 were easily penetrated by Panzer IV as we see in this scene. KV-1 were good against panzer II and III (version without 75mm long gun), but in this scene we have Panzer IV and Panzer III Ausf.G so it's a great mistake. Except for the T-34 in the mobility capacity, that was perfect for mud and swamp, Soviet tanks were not at the same levels of German Panzers, till JS.2, and this is history, no fiction! Russians last 15 years war-movies are the most unreallistic things ever created, see T-34, this one and lot of others.
@@doggy4721 Tank crews are trained for hit target in every situation, even movin and expecially the germans, who were the master of tanks in the world during that time. This scene is completely inaccurate and irrealistic but not problem: russian war movies during the Putin Era are made for create such myths of Red Army against Wehrmacht, so I can understand this. Red Army had good points and excellence as snipers, spy, some single soldier weapons (PPSH > MP40), good artillery, rocket katiuscia...but in panzers they always were under the germans from the beginning till the end, except for the T-34 in late 1941 early 1942. One of the last soviet tanks (JS-2) was created for oppose the King Tiger but it was used in the last two-three months of war in 1945 and it was perfectly at the range of King Tiger, even if he had a 122mm gun, but the high-velocity AP 88mm of King Tiger were enough for penetrate the flank of the tanks making him useless...
@@michelegiampieri4237 Trainin',well,inaccuracy goes up greatly while moving,better training won't mean that there's a high chance to hit the target.I understand that Germans were the best tankers,but firing on the move,especially a medium tank,and a T-4 Heavy,not too sensible.The Putin thing,ofc,propaganda has gone to a new lvl now,it's more complex than before,ofc they r just puttin' propaganda in their films,understandable.Then,the IS-2 wasn't there ONLY in the last 2-3 months,it was there from before that late,and even tho 122mm shells didn't penetrate the Tiger's armor reliably,it displaced major parts,deformed and deshaped most of the armor,many crews would die,and the shell would often reach the ammo rack,and thus kill the Tiger;IS-2 could do this from 600m.And T-34s,oh god,can ppl just stop overrating this?I mean,ofc,T-34-mod.45 was the best medium tank of WWII,but in 1942,they OVERsimplified the design of the tank,which led to loss of many parts,this was worsened cuz workers weren't well trained,and the tanks were rushed into production,so these tanks often broke down VERY quickly.Moreover,the T-34 tank's commander couldn't do his job effectively,crew survivability was WAY too low,and Panzer IVs(When equipped with those long cannons) could pen the armor.Also,it wasn't INVULNERABLE,as many ppl say.Many destroyed T-34s from the Pz-III times,were from shots from the sides,Pz.IVs could pen the frontal armor,not that it was invulnerable anymore,armor's thickness and crampedness led to even HOWITZERS havin' good effects,altho Germans just used their long Pz.IV guns more,and overall,the T-34s did perform very badly in 1942.In 1941,the only place they did good was head on facing,from around a mile,where they could easily penetrate the Pz.IIIs with inferior pen and armor,other than that,very few places where the T-34s had actual trained crews,and/or had a good kill:loss ratio. But this scene,well,it seemed weird to me too,even with more tanks,and a newer T-4 heavy being on their side,Germans wouldn't act THIS dumb out of overconfidence,that they'd straight up just rush the KV-1 and fire,whereas they could just move a little outwards,and fire
If this video was realistic it would be like this: KV1's are heading towards the village, and Panzers are not 10 feet away. And when KV1's are close eniugh, German Panzers fire at KV1's while still holding their positions. If German Panzers were this bad WW2 wouldn't last 3 months
In fact, the German tank crews were supposed to stand still to fire. German tanks have a more advanced targeting system than the Soviets. So they have a greater advantage when fighting from a distance instead of driving closer. Most of their crew members are also highly trained. That includes having multiple cars. While the KV1 was lonely and the armor of the KV1 was not angled correctly at that moment. So it will be weaker. I guess German tankers, they're conscripts who haven't learned the principles?
German Geography class Teacher: What is the largest city in the world? Student: Stalingrad. Teacher: Why? Student: My grandfather said that they walked on same street for 6 months and never reached the end. xD
@@andresdubon2608 you got it have right. You said that the German panzer 4 have better gun than the KV-1. Actually, KV-1 is armed with a 76mm gun, while the panzer 4 is equipped with a 75mm.
@@gmwpphs1899 I'm not just talking about the power, there is accuracy, resilience, general quality. And just for you, yes. Germans did gott you on the power side as well. Remember me the most powerful/effective tank gun of mid 1941- 1942. Oh, yeah. 88mm of the panzerkampfwagen VI.
Meanwhile in reality from captured German ww2 letters telling how the Soviets always attacked with 50 tanks and even a single 88mm could take all of them out
@@tiagomonteiro130 That is bullshit, no german tank of the WW2 has 50 grenades on board. Durin the battle of Kursk, a single Tiger I fought against 50 T-34 and take 22 of them out of the battle, the remaining T-34 retreated. Commander of that Tiger I was F. Staudegger. But in this clip, there are 3 medium sized german PzKpfw IV with 75mm guns and a heavy russian tank KV-1 (with a 76mm gun) and 2 medium sized T-24/85 with 85mm guns. So, the russian tanks are superior in firepower and armor. But in fact, no german tank commander would try to shoot while moving coz of the lack of gun stabilizers like in modern tanks. So, that scene is bullshit.
You´ve played to much video games! This is realistic! In 1941 and 1942 german panzers sucked against the KV Tank. pt-br.facebook.com/sovietmrs/posts/real-heroes-of-ww2-tankman-semyon-konovalov-tankman-semyon-konovalov-several-tim/1848600085158524/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank#Models en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankers_(film)
@@ULTRA_2112 tell me one videogame, where the german army dominates, bullshit they are always being showed as weak and incompetent, I think the only one who is wrong is you, youve listened to some soviet idiots which have been trained to spread propaganda. there are countless documentaries about the strength of German tanks e.g. the Panther or the (king) tiger tanks. ua-cam.com/video/raAx57MHH7k/v-deo.html the soviets relied on quantity instead of quality, the germans the other way around.
@@Gabriel-he6ih Ignore everything i put down before... The KV driver was center hull. It might be an IS with a removed turret like the T-54/PZ3... But it could actually be a real KV-1 with maybe a fake turret. Edit: Actually it is a turretless IS-1, because the driver is in the middle!
Absolute garbage director. His father (Bondarchuk) was a legend in Soviet cinema but unfortunately the son makes absolute garbage movies. Most modern Russian movies are total crap. Soviet movies are where it's at all day every day
I think that in real life the soldiers didn't miss so often, and they didn't drive straight into the enemy while shooting at the same time, they rather hid in the woods and behind the buildings
Finely a movie that sort of shows how much tanks break down. Why are there three panzers? Did the other tank also break down? And why are they moving towards the kv, in a close formation? They got the distance and the better gun. Why are one of the panzer 4 h's painted grey? And why are they firing on the move? They get the soviet tanks good. But german tanks B A D
It's possible one of them broke down. It happens. The reason they're moving towards the KV is that they had to get close to penetrate its armour, even when equipped with a KwK 40. KVs didn't have as much armour as a Tiger, but could still take a lot of hits. Although this was in 1942 and Panzer IVs weren't equipped with KwK 40s until later in the war. Grey was a common colour on German vehicles of every type at that time. The ones in Africa were painted tan to help camouflage them with the sand. Some were painted camo, but most were grey. The German troops and Officers wore grey uniforms. It made them harder to spot.
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 Bad Drivers of Moose Jaw the cannon I actually a kwk 40, a modified pak 40 to fit in the turret, also, the penetration of said gun could easily get through the kv1s armour as it has a penertating power of 97mm at 1000m. The kv1s armour is 90mm at the front, they were at a downwards angle, reducing the armour effectiveness, and thus could not of been over 90. The crew said 700m away, they were well within range of the panzers to destroy. The panzers would've stayed there for an ambush or flanked round, but not shot on the move. Even if it was the kv1e varient with added armour, it wouldn't of done anything as it only added armour on the sides of the turret. Send a Pzgr shell right through the 90m upper or lower plate, kaboom.
@@kimjongun7148 True, but I was also implying that the Panzer IVs used in this scene are wrong, since they weren't equipped with KwK 40s until later in the war, so if they used the designs that were used in 1942, this scene would be more accurate. Another thing wrong with this scene is that the T-34s are equipped with 85 mm guns and 3-man turrets. They never received those upgrades until 1944. They did that on Saving Private Ryan too. The 2 Tiger tanks at Ramelle were just T-34 85s with plywood attached and painted grey to make them look like Tigers. Another thing wrong with that scene was that the German division in that area didn't have any Tigers. They used Panzer IVs, so having 2 Panzer IVs like the ones in the video would've been accurate. That and the US Army only encountered 3 Tigers in the weeks after the breakout from Normandy. Most of the Tigers on the Normandy front were faced by the British and Canadian armies fighting north of the US Army and they too didn't encounter many, since the Germans didn't build many. Just over 1,400. Same thing as the KV. The Russians didn't build many and cancelled them after finding that an 85 mm gun could be fitted on the T-34. Also, the KV originally had the same 76 mm as the T-34, proving it was a waste to continue manufacturing them. Some KVs had howitzers, but still weren't many of them, although more than there were Tigers.
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 lol, I guess we are never gonna get a historically accurate movie. The closest I can think of is. Actually I don't know to be honest, but a historical film is probably gonna be boring, you have to throw in some Hollywood otherwise people won't be interested.
Only anti-aircraft gun could do a serious damage to KV thanks to very high initial speed of the shell, like tear the turret away, the armour still remained immune. My grandfather was a KV driver, he told me their KV was in attack on german positions and german anti-aircraft shell has torn the turret away, everybody were well, except the commander who was in the turret and received concussion.
ok it's based on a true story in reality they could reverse with broken gear and survive few hits in that tank no german commander would just go in the open like that
Every armchair general (especially from former soviet republics), know that Russian tanks can won only with superiority 800:1. And when J.V.Stalin personally sitting behind front line with Maxim MG and shoot retreating tanks 😉
On July 13, 1942, the tank crew under the command of Lieutenant Semyon Konovalov at the Nizhnemitakin farm in the Rostov region got up for repairs - the fuel supply system broke down at the "KV" ("KV" - Soviet heavy tank of the Great Patriotic War - ed.). We chose an advantageous position so that the enemy would not notice, the car was hidden in a hollow. German tanks soon appeared on the horizon. Without thinking twice, Konovalov commanded: "Fire!" The shell hit the target - the enemy tank was knocked out, the enemy could not strike back - the disguise of the Soviet tank was too successful. After the defeat of the tenth car, the Germans left the battlefield. Semyon Konovalov understood that the enemy would not just surrender and would definitely return with reinforcements. And so it happened. From the last forces the crew resisted, destroying a total of 22 German tanks, 4 gun crews and 2 armored vehicles. When an enemy shell immobilized a Soviet tank, Konovalov, along with two crew members, left the battlefield. For several days they wandered through the forest in search of their own. On the way, the soldiers saw an abandoned German tank. On it, the crew reached the front line, and in order not to be shot by their own soldiers, they turned the muzzle of the tank back, hung a rag and waved it like a white flag.
So true, the movie is too predictable that is russian, if that was so nazis would have fail invading france. their tanks were strong, as armor and engine.
The panzers had a range advantage, the Kv-1 had an armour advantage (able to absorb a direct hit from an 88mm). The panzers would have stayed in the treeline and fired from afar, also catching the 2 t34-85s from the side as they came back. From the range the panzers would have stayed at then the Kv-1 would have had a hard time penetrating them also. Although the longbarrel 75mm used by the panzers had a range and penetrating advantage, the frontal armour of the Kv-1 is just too thick but constant shelling from the panzers would probably have rendered the armour useless after a few direct hits thus causing the Kv-1 to be abandoned. Why do movies always make the germans leave cover and fire on the move? They knew they had the firepower and range advantage and always used that when possible.
I am not sure that the 8-8 wouldn’t punch clean through. The 75 on the F2 models as well. The KV1 was good against 50mm from P-III and the short 75 from P-IV but I don’t think the later models had problems with penetrating a KV-1
Because in real life, what you always tried do was to find every possible loophole, use every weakness the enemy had, and always rig the game in your favour if you only could, trying to get as unfair an advantage as possible, in order for the other guy to die instead of you. When transferred to film, it always looks patently unheroic and uncool. So, the filmmakers (with a few exceptions, and those films usually end up being unpopular) don't transfer it to film, they transfer to film what most people think WW2 looked like, and what looks cool. Germans charging full ahead in menacingly looking tanks and firing on the move is a German-looking thing to do. Germans being just puffs of smoke and flashes in the treeline that destroy your stuff before you know what's happening looks cowardly and un-German. So...
When you look closely at the Panzers, their suspension wheels are large and there are 5 of them. They're also conveniently placed just like the soviet suspension wheels. This indicates that they either didn't try to edit the Panzers to look like real Panzers, or they used T-54's/T-55's and gave them makeup cause it was cheaper.
Finding real working WW2 tanks is already hard, even harder is to find german tanks, a replica is expensive and takes time. The only option is using T-44s and that's correct, those same "Panzers" have been used in many russian war movies.
To find a working panzer 4 today you would need a lot and a lot of money, time and luck. Adding in a museum letting you use one for a film is even more rare, and these are pretty nice mockups adding that the side skirts almost perfectly hide the suspension
The KV tanks were practically immune to the 3.7 cm KwK 36 and howitzer-like, short-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 37 guns mounted, respectively, on the early Panzer III and Panzer IV tanks fielded by the invading German forces. Until the Germans developed more effective guns, the KV-1 was invulnerable to almost any German weapon except the 8.8 cm Flak gun. (WIkipedia)
@@tokarp390 Thats an error caused by the people who made the fake panzers for the film, the event this movie is based on was before any large scale deployment of Panzer F2's
@@impguardwarhamer then they also made an mistake on T-34s because if the Panzer 4s were F2s then the KV1 shouldn't have T-34-85s at the start, 85s were introduced in late 43 to early 44, the Panzer 4h got already introduced in June 43, and even the F2s/Gs had a decent chance of going through the armor of the KV 1 dependent on range ofc but at 500m and less its more than likely that it would have gone through
Wasn't the Panzer actually not yet the uber-tank realized ? Thought that didn't happen 'Till The Tiger 1 &Also, I believe the 2 was even tougher than that !
Germans didn't need to driver closer to shoot at the KV. They had superior optics, and the 75Mm cannon on those Mark IV's could have easily hit the Soviets at long range.
@@marekkolouch869 Tigers or not, German tanks had better crews, and better optics than the Soviets. They slaughtered Soviet tanks five to one or more. Even the humble Stug assault gun could pile up more kills than any other tank the Germans had. Now if the KVs and T34s were facing early war panzers armed with 37mms, sure, they would crush them like soda cans
@@blank557: "Now if the KVs and T34s were facing early war panzers armed with 37mms, sure, they would crush them like soda cans" Now you´r on it! The germans had Panzer III on July 13th, 1942. pt-br.facebook.com/sovietmrs/posts/real-heroes-of-ww2-tankman-semyon-konovalov-tankman-semyon-konovalov-several-tim/1848600085158524/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankers_(film)
This scene is almost as historically inaccurate as the on in Fury. Those Germans panzer IV's wouldn't come out of hiding... Especially not to engage a KV-1 in frontal fire combat. They're not children playing with toys...
Again, this is a movie, its all about action than realism. If the movie makers decided to put the real stuffs that happened then the movie is less thrilling and boring to watch because there is no action. Typical offended German tank fanboys...
I like how the Panzer 4's entire back compartment seemingly exploded (Which is where I assume the engine and ammo is) but the entire tank somehow kept moving
@Ssar1702 warthunder isn't always fully accurate, this is coming from a fellow warthunder player, as en example Is the e100, there was no plans to put a Maus turret on it as it was ment to be faster
Then the germans did drove like this they were doing it wrong. German tank driver stopped before they fired... Also very subspect that they coulnt hit a kv1 in 700m. The Pzv III and IV had such good acc.... maybe based on a true story but still very lucky for the russians.
Dont won't to repeat what others commented, like breaking cover for no reason, having optics, 88 and the best front armour, 'stop and shoot', and radio comm. Russians didnt have radio in tanks what the.... ?!?
It nice to see some of those famous tanks actually rolling again. The KV-1 lacked the speed, range, and flexibility of the T34 and thus was superceded by the upgunned T34-85 and then rather dramatically by the vaunted IS-2 series. Still, the KV-1 certainly was quite usable and could stand up to the opposition, though it was at a disadvantage compared to the best Panther and Tiger models...
I think you are overrating the KV1. Super slow, engine was crap, the gun was not great, though it did the job vs pz3s. Didnt have the range of a long barrel 75 pz4 so the last thing the germans would do is charge in on a kv1 (unless they could get around, but you are still going to take easy shots as you close instead of staying distant, where the german75 hv was more accurate and longer range), like in this clip. If you are going to compare them to pz3s and 35t or 38ts then yeah, much better. Not a fair comparison really. I'll take a 4F2 over a kv1 any day of the week. It didnt take the pz5 or 6 to make the kv1 obsolete.
In the 1941 KV-1 was juggernaut. Its front armor was unpenetrable for 50mm and 75mm tank guns from any range and side armor hold shell hits from long range shots. Several times KV-1 got 100-150 hits from Pz III and Pz IV guns during single battle and remained combat worthy or at least was able to retreat on its own for armor replacement. In the 1942 long-barreleed 75mm guns and Pz IVF tanks appeared. They were real duel threats to KV and Tigers clearly outclassed KVs. Despite that KVs were used until the 1944, slowly evolving in armor sense. Latest KV series tank was KV-85 designed in 1943 and produced for 3 month. 143 tanks were produced, than production lines were repurposed for IS tanks. Most of these tanks were lost and were replaced by IS-1 and IS-2 tanks, but some survived until the end of the war. And speed and range... To speed of KV-1 was 42 kph. So it had decent mobility for a heavy tank - quite comparable to Pz VI Tiger. Upgunned KV-85 armed with the same 85mm gun as T-34-85, it was decent threat for any Pz IV wehrmacht had and pose some threat for heavier german tanks, though it was still inferior to Panthers and Tigers. still had heavier armor than T-34 of any modification so these tanks were used as spearhed tip of a kind, much like IS tanks were used later.
@@sayanmitra5979 These were the long barrel panzer 4s, clearly late war with the armor skirts. This cannon would mop the floor with a direct hit on that KV-1. The 76mm cannon on that KV-1 is BARELY enough to penetrate panzer 4s late war 80mm armor at 90 degrees flat. That is at about a 100 meters and with i would say only 80% chance of success. At 500m it wouldn't even leave as much as a scratch. So yeah, the movie is a clear fantasy. But i enjoyed the russian chatter :D
@@ignacymoscickifilms670 yess i agree, and also thank you for the info you have given me. But in early war period, KV 1 was better, remember the Battle of Raseiniai where a KV 1 battle with an entire panzer division
@@sayanmitra5979 You could argue the same with french tanks such as the Char B series. There was also a story of it competing against multiple panzers. While what you say is true, the russian tanks were even more misused than the french ones. Often sent out alone, without infantry support, they encountered well combined german forces. While early on the argument could be made of some russian tanks beeing better (especially KV-1 KV-2, and early models of T-34), most of them were not the heavy beasts that stopped entire batallions. In fact, most of russian tanks were disposable garbage, such as T-26. Heavier russian vehicles posed a large threat to the german army, though were most of the times unsupported and therefore easily outmanouvered. Also due to poor russian communications and generally unorganised force, germans were successful in surrounding and outnumbering most of the heavy tanks. See how favorable the german kill ratio was in the early war despite russians having some tanks that were theoretically unbeatable. Isolated cases of germans beeing "unlucky" were not enough to change the outcome of the early war. Thats all there is to it
@@sayanmitra5979 there was a huge difference between early war and late war. So yeah, you're right, kv1 were OP in the early war, but tanks were fitted with better guns to penetrate better so in the end kv1 became inferior compared to others like the IS series
The KV 1 was feared by Germans as their guns could almost never penetrate their armour. However the KVs gun was also normally unable to penetrate German tanks either. So they were normally sponges capable of taking shots but not doing much damage either, the T 34s were much more capable of taking out German tanks then the KV.
*sighs* why get cracked up when your talkin' about Panzer IV? Do I need to tell you the armor of the KV1? Those Panzer IV, just scratchin' the paint by shooting the turret. Those guns are just using them puny 75's compare to the KV, 90mm turret armor so why expect it to pierce that armor? And what do you expect on watching a russian film you dumbass 😆 It's a russian based movie so what did you expect, huh? Hahaha!
@@Undertacoss: Yes, a KV 1 can pen german Panzers I, II and III, IVD, 35t and 38t only in the front chasis plate and the turret mantle! You are an idiot, so much is clear! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank#Models en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_I en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_II en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_35(t) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_38(t) The KV1 1 Tank and the T-34 was better than any German Panzer in 1941 and the beginning of 1942. And I say that as German citizen.
@@vichothekiller6876 This is KV-1E - reinforced version with extra armor plates added, so not penetrating shots were quite possible. Ofcourse other things in this film are innacurate and stupid
Godar14 but it was a late 7.5 long cm gun, means that have more pen that the one of the F2 variant of pz 4, because the pz 4 in the movie are the H variant, the best variant of the pz4 and even a reinforced front turret of a KV-1 can’t stop it, only IS-1 and 2 could stop it or the front of lucky T-34-85 cuz the angles
These are not Tigers. These are T-62s that pretend to be early war Pz.3s and 4s, which in that battle really were taken out. 19 of them, one was taken as a trophy.
@@cjnore4583 look closer in my comment. I said "T-62 that pretends to be early war Pz.4", I meant that in reality there were short-barelled Pz.3s and Pz.4s, maybe even Pz.2s, and in the movie they are long-barelled and shielded just because those are T-62s
Hollywood movies always show turrets to be the size of a school bus on the inside. M60s, pretty roomy, M1A1 not so much. Armor for 23 years, still love the movies!
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Dude, why didn't you make it for South Africa? I can't watch it cuz you didn't allow it to my country. 😞
I can't watch the movie cuz you didn't allow it for it to be watched by people in SA
There are more space in that tank than a normal apartment
exactly what im thinking
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@@milancurda8753 není, je to pravda... Ty tanky nemají tolik místa
Tank KV-1! Super!
They could put a table inside and then sit around playing cards.
Exterior : KV-1
Interior : Battleship Yamato
Armour : Plot armour
KV-1's Gun = Death Star
Recoil:off
@@daubeny7386 I think not
@@darthsidious6167 oh... HELLO THERE Emperor Palpatine i reallllllllly dont know of any death star and i LOVE the Empire and i even want to be a Stormtrooper.....ok ?
@@washyourhands2359 What are you talking about? Proton cannon has no recoil.
I love how a KV 1 casually takes a shot from a PZ IV H, while also missing 90% of their shots, and then the T 34-85 shooting while driving, without a stabilizer.
It's like in fury with Bratt pitt😂
T-34 85 was Help The KV-1
@@АнтонПанкратов-ь4г Nah, this is even worst.
@@АнтонПанкратов-ь4гFury has a stabilizer, Tiger killed 3 tanks
@@suhzewkie The tiger wouldve destroyed every tank if it wasnt plot armor
That KV has more room than my bathroom
They're not called "bath tubes" for no reason. ;)
Germans had an excellent strategy here; first, scurry from cover, then rush uphill, shoulder to shoulder, through the open field, straight toward the enemy tank, without firing more than a couple of times.
@Lịch sử Đường sắt Vlog Fury has a multitude of problems, but we will not get into that.
Yeah, right away I thought no way would they be bunched up like that. They would spread out wide.
Russian movies are not for sense or story, Russian movies are all for loving mother Russia and proud of handmade history no matter what. Don't look for a logic there.
And missing a stationary target or direct hits bouncing off like small arms fire.
@@LastZeel ok if you look at any war movie, or even just a movie. Russians fighting against Americans or anyone else, who’s gonna win? Russians. In American movies who’s gonna win against another? Americans. The list goes on. Everyone wants to prove they’re better than the other
Its a true story. German panzers were known to feast on random artillery explosions in the field, rushing towards it frantically. And the KV-1 tank was the roomiest tank in history. Sporting a 2 bedroom unit and a mezzanine.
LOL
Yeah... good joke
I was in a decommissioned sherman tank when I like 12 there was enough room for me and 2 more children if none of us had a big lunch.
In Russia, they laugh at modern Russian films about the war. They are all saturated with falseness according to the rules of Hollywood, the lack of logic, the ridiculous tantrums of the heroes and inappropriate religion, but real history in the society of the prevailing scientific approach and atheism. All this is nonsense and lies about the real war that the USSR and the Soviet people waged against Hitler, who was armed with the money of the capitalists, and who was supposed to destroy the state of workers and peasants, which prevented the rich from exploiters from all over the world. In Russia, they love films about the war made in the 60s and 80s, during the Soviet era, they were honest about people, albeit weak in terms of effects.
That tanks there are no even panzer
3 wehrmacht shooting 1 russian & almost miss everytime. I think their server is lag.
Rng
No i think they are hacker but the hacker 5 years old
It's from the Russians Germany was way much better..
@@felixb840 they wouldn't have shot on the move
Maybe a russian film 👎🏼
as a war thunder player, I can confirm this is indeed a fair fight
Ah a man of class
😐
totally no russian bias going on here
@@yousaywhat3363 like Fr how is that Kv 1 doing a 3v1
@@yousaywhat3363 Bro the KV during ww2 had insane storys ☠️
German tank platoon commander: C'mon guys lets advance as close as possible to them and shoot on the move . Also stay as close to each other as possible. It will look cooler and might intimidate the enemy.
No wonder those dipshits lost the war
@@lasselippert3892 yeah , german tank is strong and powerful but still defeated by their own stupidity and greediness
@@lasselippert3892
It's a movie, not a documentary.
[WR] Pilot
Exactly. Which is what makes all the comment section wehraboos sound so ridiculous.
German tank has high quality but allies tank has high quantity
Those KV-1 tanks sure are comfortable and large on the inside.
You are a foreigner and you don’t know that in KV 1 it’s uncomfortable and all the more so in a place. Most of the place is occupied by the reservation of the tank. This is the biggest mistake in our tanks, and yes I am from Russia
@@mejlokbshoptax577 Apparently you guys don't have sarcasm in Russia either.
Looks so real totally not like they put a cardboard cover over a car
@@mejlokbshoptax577 all russian ww 2 tanks are uncomfortable
@@mejlokbshoptax577 My goodness, it's sarcasm calm down.
3 unbeatable things in the world:
1. Chuck Norris
2. Russian tank in a Russian movie
3. Good Indian guy in a Bollywood movie
3 rd point😂😂😂😂
Underrated
Ruslan , You have forgotten the fourth thing - unbeatable stupidity of your mind.
Unfortunately, the Good Indian guy is unbeatable only in the movies! 🤪
@@billwhelpley6825 those are not tiger mockups, they are Panzer 4s with the late war modifications against AT explosives. If Im not mistaken versions H and J had those.
KV-1s were easy targets for long barreled Panzer IVs,it was the the ones with short 37mm and 75mm barrels which struggled to penetrate armors of KV-1s and T-34s.
Panzer IVs only had 75 mm guns (short then long).
The 37 mm was on Panzer IIIs (which then got the 50 mm and then the long 50 mm which finally could do damage)
This is based off a real tank battle, however the KV-1 fought PZ2 and PZ38s. Not sure if PZ3s were there but I dont think so.
@@firebat1320 It was Panzer 38t and Panzer III ausf N I think
@@Spido68_the_spectatorthe 37mm/short 50mm could kill T-34s and KV-1s. Or did the insane amounts of T-34s and KV-1s being destroyed by the Pz IIIs in 1941 pass your mind?
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406 many Soviet tanks in the first few months of Barbarossa were abandoned or destroyed by their crews as they ran out of fuel and the logistics were in complete disarray
"Fury is the most biased tank movie"
Russians: Hold my Radio
prefer a movie biased to the russians rather than to the germans to be fair :D
@@milckshakebeans8356 id watch a german one rather than russian
@@milckshakebeans8356 they were both mass-murderin war machine governments, just different flavors
@@johnnyjohnson7022 you are right but i just wrote my comment as a joke.
And if u compare by the ideology, than the nazi one is much more cancerus than the comminist ideology. Comparing stalin and hitler is a differnt topic, but we can agree both were extremely evil.
what radio? teh soviet tanks lacked radios..
Germans were perfectly hidden, but decide to come out in the open for no reason and miss several shots.
Sounds like Fury to me
And even better is that panzer crews were trained to stop and fire, being instructed that firing on the move was nothing more than a waste of ammunition
and on top of that, they had to close in when the long barrel 75mm L48 can take on that KV at those ranges..
Never shoot while moving. War thunder has taught me this much about tanks.
This movie is fraude...
Well if German tanks were like that WW2 would have ended in 1940
I mean this is pretty much how it went when German tanks met KV's and T-34's in 1941. They got completely rolled over when ever they had actual meeting engagements, with panzers being unable to penetrate Russian armor from as little as 10 meters away in some cases.
@@pxatm Yeah but German tanker knew how to aim at least...
@@bonkedwoofy4240 and not just drive towards the enemy like a Headless Chicken.
@Ok Ok the 76mm gun on the T-34 was more powerful than anything mounted on German armor at the start of Barbarossa, the Panzer III would remain the most common tank in German service for the entire war. German armor on a technical level never outperformed its competition, exceptional gains were made by the German armor corps through strategic level decisions and widespread adoption of radio, but from the first weeks in France to the last days in Germany, German tanks faced better guns, armor and engines everywhere they looked.
@@nwomaimun821 don't need to read past your first line to know that you're a nazi and here to bad faith argue. German tanks were garbage, you get your tank knowledge from Mein Kampf?
Don't reply, I know your type is willing to lie since this is directly attached to your world view so no evidence would actually be worth saying.
It is a very well known fact that the KV-1 carried Sabot rounds before they were in widespread use.
"Are there any problems?"
Yes, my dude- you're asking a KV-1 to go fast.
I see you haven't played war thunder yet. 😌
Да братука 😂😂😂
@@thelastdaygamer8702 кв 1 Сильные 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@@greenscreen1248 Да, товарищ, да
Slap a turbo charger and suspetion on the fucker, smooth ride and prem consumables
Three German tanks missing every shot on only just one Russian tank is what i call Hollyvood topic
i mean they were moving and german tanks didnt have stabilizers so everything is possibe
Ber Bo they are firing on the move like bellends
@@stealthcone yea thats what i said too its weird that people dont notice that stuff instantly
@@user-cm7uo3yc8z I mean if they hit the hull the shot would be an easy penetration since 75mm guns could easily go in the 90mm hull
@@user-cm7uo3yc8z that 7,5cm kwk 40 is strong enough on that distance againts KV series armours, but again, they are shooting on the move so that could be an issue.
-Tiger scene in Fury is the most ridiculous tank fight I have ever seen in a movie.
This scene: Hold my vodka...
Whaaat? I didn’t think it was so bad.
You know that teh scenes were pretty real compared to other ww2 movies, both of em
the tiger scene were the fakes, no tiger would charge forward, the tanks could hit the tiger into the driver area, both literally gave up their advantages.
@@paknamchan664 and Fury has a 76mm wich could already kill the Tiger!!!!!!!!!! Odd huh?
@@MaliqIbrahim-1306 and the Tiger were suppose the hit the first tank of the tank squad not the last tank, that's how WWII Nazi Germany tactics works for tank battles, Fury have a very heavy plot armor for sure lmao
may not have been the most realistic movie with the tank scenes, BUT cinematically speaking was great. The faint music when he called the first target was a great start at the fight to come
Só you saying that real life is not realist enought for you? 💀💀💀💀
Well, at least they got the part about the KV1 breaking down correct.
ua-cam.com/video/b9FunEkhTNo/v-deo.html ,.,..
Ya only that part apparently
Gets shot more then enough with no damage at all and even when it misses it still damages enemy tanks, idk but I think they were pressured that the Russians must win
@@kons37flyingreaperoldchann21 This actually happened but in 1941 (on that day 5 KV-1 tanks took out 43 panzers) so the T-34/85 and Pz IV ausf. H tanks are completely out of place (and out of time) and the only tank this scene got (mostly) right is the KV :D It faced mostly early Pz.IV (with short gun) and Pz 35(t) tanks which really couldn't cause much damage to it. Here's a good informative video on this battle :) ua-cam.com/video/UELuC69pszE/v-deo.html
I guess they also got wrong the point where Germany loses the war.
Panzer: Ricochet!
Panzer: That one bounced!
KV-1; We hit them hard!
KV-1: Enemy armour is destroyed!
KV-1: Enemy Vehicle destroyed!
VICTORY
KV-1: 3 Kills/1500 Damage
Map: Malinovka
World of tanks
3000 dmg wat? Even my IS Won’t do that much in a match lol
Lmao 3k dmg?
Don't forget: We did it! We won!
Actually, The ZiS-5 gun has less destructive performance if you compare this to HwK40 gun that mounted on Panzer IV H, and HwK 40 gun that can penetrate up to 176mm. at 100m. can easily penetrate KV1 turret armor as it thick for only 90mm. destroying turret ring and injure crew member or worse trigger the ammunition rag and shit everything up.
The only based on a true story part of this movie is the gear box grenading.
@@pepperminth8085 you fucking okay? Hes not even talking anything related to the Nazis
@@pepperminth8085 dude check what you are writing here
@@pepperminth8085 please tell me this is a joke, are you fucking insane???
@@pepperminth8085 lol what the dog doin
shut up usa kid
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviy_Kolobanov
That KV-1 looking hella spacious, you could put a jacuzzi in that thing
Beautiful like a lada!
Lol the whole Red Army could fit in that tank.
Tank looks like a empty box from the inside..
@@Mirda-bg3pi yea lol
They don't show scale - each tanker was probably only 5 foot 2 !
Ja
it was really like that.
the kv 1 was the most spacious tank of ww2.
If the Germans were this good they would never make it out of Berlin.
ty chyba historii nie rozumiesz cymbale jak walczyli na 2 fronty i nie mieli zasobów to co się dziwić
@@synek702 please use world wide understandable language. Thank you.
@@mrki412 use Google translate. Polska mova ничем не хуже английской.
@@ДмитрийЧернышев-щ2н for that bot languages? No way, TY.
@@ДмитрийЧернышев-щ2н Польская мова нафиг никому не нужна в России особо, как и любая другая славянская. Да она и сложная такая, что просто ппц. Даже мой брат-полукровка и то бросил идею польский выучить.
"Mum can we watch Fury?"
Mum: We have Fury at home.
*Fury at home*
Yeah, like Fury's any better.
@@reven06 The Germans in Fury and this film are concistent... lets drive towards them!
@@Lazarenko93 there is a tactic called blitzkrieg
@@wanderingman50 You really need to do some reading/research if you call this blitzkrieg...
@@Lazarenko93 I never did say the tactics on this movie was blitzkrieg I just said there was a tactic called blitzkrieg and basically what the panzers was trying to do was rush the tank and out flank it.
When you play chess against yourself:
Lamo 😂
They're walking around the inside that tank like is a size of a living room
🤣🤣🤣 yes. And the Germans were blind.
LMAO!!
@@StephanO.-qy6ny nah they are just moving without stabilizers
Try KV2
yes, due to budget cuts, they only showed you this. We never saw it's cellar, bedrooms and kitchen.
"Load Sabot"
"..."
"Sir this is a KV-1"
Wrong translation, they're just armor piercing and high explosive shells
Very bad subtitles
It is not KV-1 tank it is modifated T-34/85
@@urbangng496 depending on the suspension,it seems like it's a modified IS or IS-2
@@G_Ludwig I'm not seeing what you are. Where does the tank look like an is1 or is2?. I see a kv1 chassis and turret.
Looks like the Russians were playing with 100% plot armor enabled.
Орк Ур-Шак By 1942 the Tiger had come out and ruined that armour record. And the next year in 1943, the Panther, Ferdinand and Brummbar existed. The Pak 40 could also penetrate it.
@Орк Ур-Шак Not true, the KwK 40 L/48 of those Panzer IV could pierce it at 700m
They're sloped like hell. The Panzers kept hitting the turret's head and side areas, which could easily deflect those 76mm rounds. If it was a Tiger II round, then it would most likely penetrate it. A T-34's opticals were less advanced compared to the Panzer IV's, but its sloped armour is strong enough to deflect a 76mm AP round from the Panzer IV
Yeah but these are panzer 4s we talking bout the could go through that armour like a hot knife through butter
@@deVeresd.Kfz.1515 All I'm saying is that this Russian tank is obviously equipped with the rare but highly effective unexplodium armor plating.
Ah,good ol Panzer IVs.Always the underdogs in movies.This could’ve been realistic if these tanks were early Panzer IV variants,not the fricking Aust H from 1943 which could easily destroy KV-1s.
Совершенно верно, в точку!!! От танков с такими пушками спасал только рикошет. КВ-1 убивал немцев в 1941-42 году очень много, но здесь танки 43 года
You really wants 1943's tanks in 1941, you might bé really dumb
The movement tactics trigger me “Hans let’s all move out of cover at the same time and drive in an open field without covering each other”
They definitely get points off for not following established doctrine for either attacking or defending.
And also let's just blindly fire at the KV. It's not like all 3 of us would miss hitting a tank that is standing still right?
actually the stupid thing on this scene is, an tank never takes shots while he is driving because it make the shots incredibly inaccurate, because your turret is wiggling and aiming is very difficult for your tank-crew.
Low on Pervetin.🤣
Panzer 4 is flat
Of course the panzers don’t stop to shoot and they miss 80% shots of course
Propaganda at it’s finest
Ozy yep allied propaganda
Why the hell did they approached at all? I don't think a 75 mm can pen a KV-1 frontally.
Russian tanks is a best! 😊
@@carlphilipedmundbertil625 not even close
The fact that the Russian Tank Crew still keep their cool after seeing 3 panzers is ridiculous.
Right those Tigers are monsters
@@zeparthe16thspiritofarsgoe15 Those are Panzer 4s
@@zeparthe16thspiritofarsgoe15 that KV-1 gun could slice through a Panzer 4 armour easily, and a Tiger 1's armour from the front if the tiger wasnt angled like the KV-1 is in the video
Is-7
@@ИмяФамилия-н6н6и ?
Такое ощущение как будто это не танк, а двухкомнатная квартира, спокойно разгуливают внутри)))
There was a world war 2 Russian tank discovered not too many years ago (25 or so I think) with the dead crew still inside. It was covered with dirt and plants from the passage of time, so had gone undiscovered all those years. One of the tankers wrote what happened. They had gotten separated from their group and found themselves behind a column of german tanks. They decided to attack and destroyed a number of tanks, but got hit in the process. They got away with all of the crew fatally injured. The least injured crewman wrote the letter to his fiance describing the events and said he could die happy knowing he had done what he could to stop the invasion.
Thats true... Tank crews always wrote letters...during fight or when they wounded...or still dying... LOL
Is there a video n link available about that tank??
I love Soviet fake letters of propaganda XD
@@kamilnowak7015 не понял
@@БУХАНКА-х6ь реально
Let's see
The KV1 is using the 76mm ZiS5 AT gun. The gun has around 75 millimeter of penetration at 500m with the BR350B APHE round. (No WW2 soviet tanks had APDS rounds, telling your loader to load sabot doesn't help magically spawn a sabot. Maybe he's referring to the APCR round (BR350P) which has 90 mm penetration at 500m, disregarding angles)
The version of Panzer IV in the film is likely Ausf. H (judging by the L/48 KwK40 gun) which could fire PzGr 39 with 125mm of penetration at 500 meter range and had PzGr 40 APCR with 145mm penetration at 0 degree angles)
The KV1 had hull armor of 100m (adding the front plates) and Turret armor of 90mm. The long 75 wouldn't have any trouble penetrating the KV1 at these ranges while the KV itself would be unable to penetrate the hull of the Panzer IV (with the upgraded 80mm hull armor in ausf H) and can only penetrate the 50mm turret.
Even without considering the tactics, this video is factually incorrect.
its a movie, not some PhD mandata
you can see they tried to aim at the drivers cupola and the mg mantlet where the armour is thinner, may they actually hit it?
Thanks dude
IIRC, the movie is set in 1941, so the Germans would not have long 75 PZIVs anyway (or the Soviets T34/85s for that matter).
@@user-mo7dd1vt1s It is biased
If it were to be realistic, none of them would have a working radio
Ozjasz Goldberg
That’s where the kicking comes in.
You exit your tank, enter your teammates tank and kick him in the head with 45 N exactly. Now he’ll know to say roger the next time you repeat this process and command him to fire.
I was about to mention that. Didn't the commanding tank use red flags?
@@Mr_Fancypants depends what time period this movie takes place. For example, if it were in 1941, then the Russian tankers would be using the flags. Because they don't have radios in their tanks yet. But If this movie takes place between 1943-44, then, yes, they uses radios.
@@gmwpphs1899 during the time of my military service from 1983 through 2014, most American combat vehicles had three flags (Green, Red, Yellow) to use during times of Radio silence, or if our radios malfunctioned. Keeping modern (1980's) radios such as the VRC 46 all up on a platoon/Company radio net was difficult. Even the SINGARS and other "ultra" modern radios up was not easy in Afghanistan, Iraq, or even in Training!
More than once, we would perform a "commo check" in the motor pool, everybody would be up... We would drive the short distance to the ECP (Entry Control Point) of the FOB (Forward Operating Base) and one of the vehicles would have dropped off the net! Not to mention failures while we were on a Mission! That was a significant improvement from the 1980's! Now, imagine all the troubles with vacuum Tube AM Radios of the 1930's & 1940's!
Russian Company, and Battalion Command Tanks had Radios, Platoon Leaders only had Receivers! Weirdly, a higher percentage of Pre-war Russian tanks had radios!
ALL German tanks had radios.
Mid 1944 / 45 they could have
This is a KV tank. It had a 3-inch armor thickness around. In 1941, near Leningrad, one KV tank destroyed 22 enemy tanks in battle. There were more than 100 hits on KV, when KV came out of the battle, his tower was jammed. The KV in that battle was camouflaged, and the enemy tanks were lightly armored. It was a real battle, the tank was put on the monument after, it was all like a sieve, but it did its job
and the amount of propaganda that was, convenient that most of the crew and their relatives "disappeared"
This is misleading.
-Yes, this happened, and yes, the KV-1 ended up with more than 150 hits and survived
-HOWEVER, there is a bit of context missing :
-The KV-1 was ambushing the German tanks and had a major advantage
-The KV-1 was in a hulldown position so the turret could turn to fire, without exposing the hull.
-MOST IMPORTANTLY the tanks the KV-1 took down were short barrelled Panzer IVs and Pz. 35ts, these tanks are not the same as the ones portrayed in the video (Long-barrelled Panzer IVs, which could take out a KV-1 with no problem)
“Load sabot”
“IVAN GET THE TIME MACHINE”
best comment underrated
Wrong translation, in Russian they said High-Explosive and Armor-Piercing. Not HEAT and Sabot.
@@sting2death2 and HEAT shells are only for tank destroyer at that time
@@randomguyontheinternet6885 HEAT shells were developed for a number of guns and tanks, but they were very rare.
Hahaha my thoughts, underrated
I bet that tank has a bathroom, a shower, and a kitchen in it. It went all the way to Berlin without refueling.
Maybe in reverse.
You forgot the bedrooms for each person
Actually, this scene is what the russian tank chief is dreaming of
Russian tanks were destroyed by the Germans. Stupid unrealistic clip.
@Christopher Fischetti indeed. And the Russians missed while the Germans produced hit after hit.
@Christopher Fischetti i totally agree, the supply lines were to long. Nevertheless a big mistake of the Germans to fight at two fronts. The Russians had a non ending supply of troops, equipment and others. War is stupid, nobody wins, everyboby loses.
tolik lisiy Stalin wanted to buy time and stay on the defensive as to not show signs of agression to the Nazis. Hitler had to invade the USSR, destroying communism and exterminating the Slavs was a part of mein kampf and of the fascist ideology.
@@you4love2me a film maker.. 😉
I’m glad they at least broke some of the common misconceptions about the KV-1 in this scene, specifically with its constant malfunctions showing off exactly why it was not as effective on the battlefield as it was on paper.
- What are we waiting for?
- Calm down, I know for sure they will miss first 3 shots.
- how is that?
- i have read a screenplay
Radio-set in every tank. An incredible luxury at that time.
yeah most did not have radio sets early on and even mid way through the war
it's around 1944 tho, there're T-34-85s with S-53 gun in the film
@@namduong6051 This is not a documentary, but since the film about Semyon Konovalov should be 1942.
Yeah the russians didn't have radio in the tanks in 1941. They actually communicated using flags. Now, how easy do you think it was so see the flags during combat with all the smoke from the engine and gun? He-he. The russians had a lot of losses in 1941-1942.
You mean for Russians? Because radio was existend in every German tank
Those panzers have the aim of stormtroopers
"Only Imperial Stormtroopers Are So Precise"
To be fair, they didnt have stabilizers and were shooting while moving on uneven field so yeah they wouldve missed a lot actually
You could call them SturmPanzerd
@@sicariomonarch lol
@@_ZERO there are is such thing as an excuse for missing a shot -master oogway of tonks
Fury: highly accurate movie, bravo
I like how every time a Russian tank fires, an explosion happens where he shell lands, even when an AP shell hits the ground
Eh, these tropes are more common than not with most WW2 related movies.
The ap shells of the panzers were apcbc-he-t, they died have3 some explosive, albeit very little
From what I understood, I agree with what you say, but still the amount of explosion in an AP shell isn’t very much and not nearly as much as this movie showed
@@stopmotionwarehouse8986 yea dont mind the typos
Yeah, it’s ok, English is hard. Where are you from?
A few things: 1. Shooting on the move? The panzer 4 had no stabilization .. 2. The KV had good armor in 1941, but these Pz4's are late models (version H I think) with a long 75mm cannon (7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48) which could penetrate a KV's frontal armor (116 - 141 mm penetration at 750m - depending on the ammo). Also, they positioned their tank in such a way, that the frontal plate, which has a bit of a slope, would be hit at a 90 degree angle totally negating the slope advantage. And they could get hit under the bulge around the cannon - this angle makes that area a shell trap. 3. The pz4 H had 80mm armor in the front and 50mm on the turret - penetration was possible (depending on the ammo) even through the front armor, but German optics where better and they could engage at a much longer distance. The ammo they are using (looks like BR-350P
armour-piercing, composite rigid (APCR)) had 60mm pen at 1000m and 92mm at 500. So, the German tanks could shoot from far away, penetrate the KV, probably not get hit in return and even if, only a turret hit would penetrate. Also, the shell would have to go through the front armor, through the crew compartment and penetrate the engine to do what the movie shows (light up the engine). And how does a tank keep going after it's engine explodes like that?
Facts
I honestly thought those are Tiger tanks, which made the movie all the more ridiculous.
Pretty sure they're in the KV-1E. A KV-1 modded with thicker bolted armor.
Aye this guy plays warthunder/world of tanks and now he's a historian!
What year is this supposed to happen. T-34-85 operating with a kv-1. Seems mighty unlikely.
Fun fact! The Panzer 4 are modified T-54/T-55, you can see the roadwheels under the spaced armour. A Panzer 4 has 8 small roadwheels.
А Т 34-85 вас не смутили? По фильму лето 1942 года))
Good mocks ups, way better than the old movies where tigers where pattons and p4s were chaffees lol
Son panzer 3
They look really good tho
No this t44
Laughable tactics and historical inaccuracies aside - those are actually really nice Panzer IV mock ups!
Me : Let’s watch this movie scene
Russian tank commander : has radio
Me : ok, it’s time to go
@@matztertaler2777 well since there's t-34-85 it's probably around 1944. They have radios on their tanks back then. The soviet isnt exactly lacking radio. But more like lacking reliable radios
You would think that with a half-baked knowledge of history.
@@cyka7705 that’s partially true, I didn’t recognise that these were t 34 85, anyway the soviets started to equip their tanks with radios in 1944, but only the new ones and very few of the old ones, so all of their tanks wouldn’t have radios, and also they broke very frequently, so it was nearly impossible to have a platoon of tanks all equipped with radios.
Me + your Comment + 68 like + I'm a man of culture = You have 69 like
**waves Flag to pay respects to panzers**
German tank crews never would have missed a static target twice :P
And german tank crews would of never rushed so stupidly and they would of penetraged that kv-1 in no time 😅
@@bonkey8235 KV-1 were easily penetrated by Panzer IV as we see in this scene. KV-1 were good against panzer II and III (version without 75mm long gun), but in this scene we have Panzer IV and Panzer III Ausf.G so it's a great mistake. Except for the T-34 in the mobility capacity, that was perfect for mud and swamp, Soviet tanks were not at the same levels of German Panzers, till JS.2, and this is history, no fiction! Russians last 15 years war-movies are the most unreallistic things ever created, see T-34, this one and lot of others.
They wouldn't,but in this fight,they were firing while movin',so no wonder they couldn't hit
@@doggy4721 Tank crews are trained for hit target in every situation, even movin and expecially the germans, who were the master of tanks in the world during that time. This scene is completely inaccurate and irrealistic but not problem: russian war movies during the Putin Era are made for create such myths of Red Army against Wehrmacht, so I can understand this. Red Army had good points and excellence as snipers, spy, some single soldier weapons (PPSH > MP40), good artillery, rocket katiuscia...but in panzers they always were under the germans from the beginning till the end, except for the T-34 in late 1941 early 1942. One of the last soviet tanks (JS-2) was created for oppose the King Tiger but it was used in the last two-three months of war in 1945 and it was perfectly at the range of King Tiger, even if he had a 122mm gun, but the high-velocity AP 88mm of King Tiger were enough for penetrate the flank of the tanks making him useless...
@@michelegiampieri4237 Trainin',well,inaccuracy goes up greatly while moving,better training won't mean that there's a high chance to hit the target.I understand that Germans were the best tankers,but firing on the move,especially a medium tank,and a T-4 Heavy,not too sensible.The Putin thing,ofc,propaganda has gone to a new lvl now,it's more complex than before,ofc they r just puttin' propaganda in their films,understandable.Then,the IS-2 wasn't there ONLY in the last 2-3 months,it was there from before that late,and even tho 122mm shells didn't penetrate the Tiger's armor reliably,it displaced major parts,deformed and deshaped most of the armor,many crews would die,and the shell would often reach the ammo rack,and thus kill the Tiger;IS-2 could do this from 600m.And T-34s,oh god,can ppl just stop overrating this?I mean,ofc,T-34-mod.45 was the best medium tank of WWII,but in 1942,they OVERsimplified the design of the tank,which led to loss of many parts,this was worsened cuz workers weren't well trained,and the tanks were rushed into production,so these tanks often broke down VERY quickly.Moreover,the T-34 tank's commander couldn't do his job effectively,crew survivability was WAY too low,and Panzer IVs(When equipped with those long cannons) could pen the armor.Also,it wasn't INVULNERABLE,as many ppl say.Many destroyed T-34s from the Pz-III times,were from shots from the sides,Pz.IVs could pen the frontal armor,not that it was invulnerable anymore,armor's thickness and crampedness led to even HOWITZERS havin' good effects,altho Germans just used their long Pz.IV guns more,and overall,the T-34s did perform very badly in 1942.In 1941,the only place they did good was head on facing,from around a mile,where they could easily penetrate the Pz.IIIs with inferior pen and armor,other than that,very few places where the T-34s had actual trained crews,and/or had a good kill:loss ratio.
But this scene,well,it seemed weird to me too,even with more tanks,and a newer T-4 heavy being on their side,Germans wouldn't act THIS dumb out of overconfidence,that they'd straight up just rush the KV-1 and fire,whereas they could just move a little outwards,and fire
If this video was realistic it would be like this:
KV1's are heading towards the village, and Panzers are not 10 feet away. And when KV1's are close eniugh, German Panzers fire at KV1's while still holding their positions. If German Panzers were this bad WW2 wouldn't last 3 months
Uhm those T-34-85s are a sign ww2 was drawing close already
@@Akeno0002 KV2's actually
@@muki2259 Nope, they were T-34-85s medium tanks and a single KV-1 heavy tank.
@@Empirehog I tought genneraly, that KV2 tanks were the point of counter offensive, but you are right. We just didn't understand each other well
Lol but Kalabanov on kv1 kill more enemy tanks ! Learn History
In fact, the German tank crews were supposed to stand still to fire. German tanks have a more advanced targeting system than the Soviets. So they have a greater advantage when fighting from a distance instead of driving closer. Most of their crew members are also highly trained. That includes having multiple cars. While the KV1 was lonely and the armor of the KV1 was not angled correctly at that moment. So it will be weaker. I guess German tankers, they're conscripts who haven't learned the principles?
You forgot this is the type of WWII movie representing about their "great" allies with weak Germans running around without strategy and tactics
Yes, even if kv1 did not have a guidance system, he would have won at a distance, his gun penetrates t3, but the Germans do not have this
This film is russian fairytale. It has nothing from a real actions
Fury russian edition
@@ripandteartillthelast keep crying,the panzer 4 armor is thin and can be pen by any soviet tanks.
German Geography class
Teacher: What is the largest city in the world?
Student: Stalingrad.
Teacher: Why?
Student: My grandfather said that they walked on same street for 6 months and never reached the end.
xD
Clever 😂
Hahaha comrade
Burn!! 😂
How funny can you get!
U got the whole battalion laughing.
This is silly, German tanks would not have been firing on the move, even at that range. Frankly, they wouldn't have driven out of the village anyway.
Even if they would, german panzer had better guns, better sights even more preper crew.
Totally unimpressive.
@@andresdubon2608 Yep Russian tanks were made to run for about 1 battle. Just goes to show the ideology of quality vs quantity.
agree, german tankers use ambush tactical or long range attack most of the time, this is just dumb
@@andresdubon2608 you got it have right. You said that the German panzer 4 have better gun than the KV-1. Actually, KV-1 is armed with a 76mm gun, while the panzer 4 is equipped with a 75mm.
@@gmwpphs1899 I'm not just talking about the power, there is accuracy, resilience, general quality.
And just for you, yes.
Germans did gott you on the power side as well.
Remember me the most powerful/effective tank gun of mid 1941- 1942.
Oh, yeah.
88mm of the panzerkampfwagen VI.
Soviet Tank: 2 T 34 and KV 1
Germany's Tank: 3 Panzer
Meanwhile in reality from captured German ww2 letters telling how the Soviets always attacked with 50 tanks and even a single 88mm could take all of them out
@@tiagomonteiro130 That is bullshit, no german tank of the WW2 has 50 grenades on board. Durin the battle of Kursk, a single Tiger I fought against 50 T-34 and take 22 of them out of the battle, the remaining T-34 retreated. Commander of that Tiger I was F. Staudegger. But in this clip, there are 3 medium sized german PzKpfw IV with 75mm guns and a heavy russian tank KV-1 (with a 76mm gun) and 2 medium sized T-24/85 with 85mm guns. So, the russian tanks are superior in firepower and armor. But in fact, no german tank commander would try to shoot while moving coz of the lack of gun stabilizers like in modern tanks. So, that scene is bullshit.
@@tiagomonteiro130 what movie is this in?
That's the most unrealistic movie I have ever seen to be honest
ofcourse. It is made by russians what do you expect....
You´ve played to much video games!
This is realistic!
In 1941 and 1942 german panzers sucked against the KV Tank.
pt-br.facebook.com/sovietmrs/posts/real-heroes-of-ww2-tankman-semyon-konovalov-tankman-semyon-konovalov-several-tim/1848600085158524/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank#Models
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankers_(film)
@@ULTRA_2112 tell me one videogame, where the german army dominates, bullshit they are always being showed as weak and incompetent, I think the only one who is wrong is you, youve listened to some soviet idiots which have been trained to spread propaganda. there are countless documentaries about the strength of German tanks e.g. the Panther or the (king) tiger tanks.
ua-cam.com/video/raAx57MHH7k/v-deo.html
the soviets relied on quantity instead of quality, the germans the other way around.
@@ULTRA_2112 so ur telling me that the shitty Russian tanks can one shot a German tank??? And that obviously the Germans miss every shot??? Wtf
@@greatwhitetribe2714: I´am German and this battle was in 1942.
The german tanks were Panzer III G
HEAT? SABOT? Is this a KV-1 or a T-72?
*Sees the 'Panzer 4' up close*
Nope, T-54/55.
APFSDS!
Кв 1
Thats a Thin looking KV-1
But *damn* those are some thicc Panzers
@@Gabriel-he6ih
Ignore everything i put down before... The KV driver was center hull.
It might be an IS with a removed turret like the T-54/PZ3... But it could actually be a real KV-1 with maybe a fake turret.
Edit: Actually it is a turretless IS-1, because the driver is in the middle!
American-like fire commands and modern ammo selections. Still, fun to watch. (I try not to overthink these kind of movies)
ah, yes, the KV-1 with 6 feet of headroom in the hull.
Russian tank movies just hit different. Tankers, t-34, tanks for Stalin were all so much fun to watch.
They hit different for how unrealistic and dumb they are that KV-1 has more room then a family home😂
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@Adam Elektrik enerjisiコメント欄、返信等は殆ど観ません i don't speak chinesse!!!
ini film apa bro?
@@arayganakal T-34
Tier 5/6 match - in a nutshell.
“Like hell they’ll puncture the KV’s armor”
Me: but those guns, it ain’t the support variants
Can you stop having sex?
Those are the guns that were fitted to Panzer 4 specifically to deal with KV-1 and T-34
@@armchairgeneralissimo Little did the Germans know what KV-1 armor is made out of stalinium
@@BobuxGuy 75mm Panzer IV H variants can even kill a T-72. Yes Stalinium isn't match against Panzer IV Hs
@@timothyjonathan1599 penetrate a t72 from where? It's roof?
I bet This movie has same director as Stalingrad
i think it's the director of the movie Fury, not Stalingrad
Absolute garbage director. His father (Bondarchuk) was a legend in Soviet cinema but unfortunately the son makes absolute garbage movies. Most modern Russian movies are total crap. Soviet movies are where it's at all day every day
I bet its the same from fury dude the Quality
I think that in real life the soldiers didn't miss so often, and they didn't drive straight into the enemy while shooting at the same time, they rather hid in the woods and behind the buildings
That's just what you think, maybe the panzers couldn't penetrate it at long range? This was a tactic often used against heavily armoured enemies
@@atomica0914 The longer barreled Panzer 4 had no problem penetrating the KV. only the ones with a short barrel
Finely a movie that sort of shows how much tanks break down.
Why are there three panzers? Did the other tank also break down? And why are they moving towards the kv, in a close formation? They got the distance and the better gun.
Why are one of the panzer 4 h's painted grey? And why are they firing on the move?
They get the soviet tanks good. But german tanks B A D
It's possible one of them broke down. It happens.
The reason they're moving towards the KV is that they had to get close to penetrate its armour, even when equipped with a KwK 40. KVs didn't have as much armour as a Tiger, but could still take a lot of hits. Although this was in 1942 and Panzer IVs weren't equipped with KwK 40s until later in the war.
Grey was a common colour on German vehicles of every type at that time. The ones in Africa were painted tan to help camouflage them with the sand. Some were painted camo, but most were grey. The German troops and Officers wore grey uniforms. It made them harder to spot.
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 Bad Drivers of Moose Jaw the cannon I actually a kwk 40, a modified pak 40 to fit in the turret, also, the penetration of said gun could easily get through the kv1s armour as it has a penertating power of 97mm at 1000m. The kv1s armour is 90mm at the front, they were at a downwards angle, reducing the armour effectiveness, and thus could not of been over 90. The crew said 700m away, they were well within range of the panzers to destroy. The panzers would've stayed there for an ambush or flanked round, but not shot on the move. Even if it was the kv1e varient with added armour, it wouldn't of done anything as it only added armour on the sides of the turret. Send a Pzgr shell right through the 90m upper or lower plate, kaboom.
@@kimjongun7148 True, but I was also implying that the Panzer IVs used in this scene are wrong, since they weren't equipped with KwK 40s until later in the war, so if they used the designs that were used in 1942, this scene would be more accurate. Another thing wrong with this scene is that the T-34s are equipped with 85 mm guns and 3-man turrets. They never received those upgrades until 1944.
They did that on Saving Private Ryan too. The 2 Tiger tanks at Ramelle were just T-34 85s with plywood attached and painted grey to make them look like Tigers. Another thing wrong with that scene was that the German division in that area didn't have any Tigers. They used Panzer IVs, so having 2 Panzer IVs like the ones in the video would've been accurate. That and the US Army only encountered 3 Tigers in the weeks after the breakout from Normandy. Most of the Tigers on the Normandy front were faced by the British and Canadian armies fighting north of the US Army and they too didn't encounter many, since the Germans didn't build many. Just over 1,400. Same thing as the KV. The Russians didn't build many and cancelled them after finding that an 85 mm gun could be fitted on the T-34. Also, the KV originally had the same 76 mm as the T-34, proving it was a waste to continue manufacturing them. Some KVs had howitzers, but still weren't many of them, although more than there were Tigers.
Because its typical infantile Russian propaganda
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 lol, I guess we are never gonna get a historically accurate movie. The closest I can think of is. Actually I don't know to be honest, but a historical film is probably gonna be boring, you have to throw in some Hollywood otherwise people won't be interested.
I like how the 3 German tanks decide to engage the KV by lining up perfectly 10 feet apart from each other and shooting, rather than spreading out.
Holy shit Hans,Martin and Otto were drunk they didn't hit a single shot
They hot several hits but the KV-1 frontal armor was thick. Also Germans were shooting on the run, more difficult to aim.
@@RobertWF42 bitch they were perfectly covered they had no reason to rush,a normal driver would stop for the gunner this isn't World of Tanks boi
That was not KV armor that was unbreakable plot armor
@@fishy2584 thats what he was saying, SHOOTING ON THE RUN=MORE DIFFICULT TO AIM
I didn't talk about it
Only anti-aircraft gun could do a serious damage to KV thanks to very high initial speed of the shell, like tear the turret away, the armour still remained immune. My grandfather was a KV driver, he told me their KV was in attack on german positions and german anti-aircraft shell has torn the turret away, everybody were well, except the commander who was in the turret and received concussion.
ok it's based on a true story
in reality they could reverse with broken gear
and survive few hits in that tank
no german commander would just go in the open like that
Every armchair general (especially from former soviet republics), know that Russian tanks can won only with superiority 800:1. And when J.V.Stalin personally sitting behind front line with Maxim MG and shoot retreating tanks 😉
Fun fact : an irl KV 1 defeted 22 panzers in ww2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviy_Kolobanov 156 hits on KV1
now you know
oooh fuck off it is just a movie stop doin' your jerk
On July 13, 1942, the tank crew under the command of Lieutenant Semyon Konovalov at the Nizhnemitakin farm in the Rostov region got up for repairs - the fuel supply system broke down at the "KV" ("KV" - Soviet heavy tank of the Great Patriotic War - ed.). We chose an advantageous position so that the enemy would not notice, the car was hidden in a hollow. German tanks soon appeared on the horizon. Without thinking twice, Konovalov commanded: "Fire!" The shell hit the target - the enemy tank was knocked out, the enemy could not strike back - the disguise of the Soviet tank was too successful. After the defeat of the tenth car, the Germans left the battlefield.
Semyon Konovalov understood that the enemy would not just surrender and would definitely return with reinforcements. And so it happened. From the last forces the crew resisted, destroying a total of 22 German tanks, 4 gun crews and 2 armored vehicles. When an enemy shell immobilized a Soviet tank, Konovalov, along with two crew members, left the battlefield. For several days they wandered through the forest in search of their own. On the way, the soldiers saw an abandoned German tank. On it, the crew reached the front line, and in order not to be shot by their own soldiers, they turned the muzzle of the tank back, hung a rag and waved it like a white flag.
What pissed me off the most was when he said “load sabot” in a KV-1
ikr
Probably faulty translation, but I laughed my ass off when i read it
It’s supposed to say “armor piercing” I guess it’s just a translation mistake
He said AP round, but it doesn't matter. This whole thing is a joke to a joke
and translating 'фугасный' as HEAT!
The Germans must have had Star Wars troopers in there tanks.
So true, the movie is too predictable that is russian, if that was so nazis would have fail invading france. their tanks were strong, as armor and engine.
At least they hit the target, just didn't penetrate.
cough dont forget about their "strong" transmission
They were all red shirts
Technically yes
They don't know too much about ww2 .
The panzers had a range advantage, the Kv-1 had an armour advantage (able to absorb a direct hit from an 88mm). The panzers would have stayed in the treeline and fired from afar, also catching the 2 t34-85s from the side as they came back. From the range the panzers would have stayed at then the Kv-1 would have had a hard time penetrating them also. Although the longbarrel 75mm used by the panzers had a range and penetrating advantage, the frontal armour of the Kv-1 is just too thick but constant shelling from the panzers would probably have rendered the armour useless after a few direct hits thus causing the Kv-1 to be abandoned. Why do movies always make the germans leave cover and fire on the move? They knew they had the firepower and range advantage and always used that when possible.
I am not sure that the 8-8 wouldn’t punch clean through. The 75 on the F2 models as well. The KV1 was good against 50mm from P-III and the short 75 from P-IV but I don’t think the later models had problems with penetrating a KV-1
Because while gurilla warfare is great tacticly speaking its not very entertaining to watch if tou arent somone who enjoyes tactics
Because in real life, what you always tried do was to find every possible loophole, use every weakness the enemy had, and always rig the game in your favour if you only could, trying to get as unfair an advantage as possible, in order for the other guy to die instead of you. When transferred to film, it always looks patently unheroic and uncool. So, the filmmakers (with a few exceptions, and those films usually end up being unpopular) don't transfer it to film, they transfer to film what most people think WW2 looked like, and what looks cool.
Germans charging full ahead in menacingly looking tanks and firing on the move is a German-looking thing to do. Germans being just puffs of smoke and flashes in the treeline that destroy your stuff before you know what's happening looks cowardly and un-German. So...
Or the Germans could have sent out two tanks to engage at range and outflank with the third.
Ahaha. Do you know about Kolobanov's KV-1 ? Check it. How many hits it take. It will be surprise for you
When you look closely at the Panzers, their suspension wheels are large and there are 5 of them. They're also conveniently placed just like the soviet suspension wheels. This indicates that they either didn't try to edit the Panzers to look like real Panzers, or they used T-54's/T-55's and gave them makeup cause it was cheaper.
Finding real working WW2 tanks is already hard, even harder is to find german tanks, a replica is expensive and takes time. The only option is using T-44s and that's correct, those same "Panzers" have been used in many russian war movies.
To find a working panzer 4 today you would need a lot and a lot of money, time and luck. Adding in a museum letting you use one for a film is even more rare, and these are pretty nice mockups adding that the side skirts almost perfectly hide the suspension
And to be fair they do look very close to panzer IVs
They're actually T-54/55s.
@@gheelman my bad Xd
The KV tanks were practically immune to the 3.7 cm KwK 36 and howitzer-like, short-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 37 guns mounted, respectively, on the early Panzer III and Panzer IV tanks fielded by the invading German forces. Until the Germans developed more effective guns, the KV-1 was invulnerable to almost any German weapon except the 8.8 cm Flak gun. (WIkipedia)
on this scene are PZIVH tanks so good enough to destroy KV-1 .
@@tokarp390 Thats an error caused by the people who made the fake panzers for the film, the event this movie is based on was before any large scale deployment of Panzer F2's
Der KV-1 hat nicht mal Durchschlag bei einem Tiger
Sh yes the Flak 88
@@impguardwarhamer then they also made an mistake on T-34s because if the Panzer 4s were F2s then the KV1 shouldn't have T-34-85s at the start, 85s were introduced in late 43 to early 44, the Panzer 4h got already introduced in June 43, and even the F2s/Gs had a decent chance of going through the armor of the KV 1 dependent on range ofc but at 500m and less its more than likely that it would have gone through
No one can underestimate the nightmare of Punzar and Tiger tanks in WWII
Wasn't the Panzer actually not yet the uber-tank realized ?
Thought that didn't happen 'Till The Tiger 1 &Also, I believe the 2 was even tougher than that !
Germans didn't need to driver closer to shoot at the KV. They had superior optics, and the 75Mm cannon on those Mark IV's could have easily hit the Soviets at long range.
But those german tanks are not tigers, the thing you said is right, but only if those were tigers. In this case KV is way better then the panzers
@@marekkolouch869 Tigers or not, German tanks had better crews, and better optics than the Soviets. They slaughtered Soviet tanks five to one or more. Even the humble Stug assault gun could pile up more kills than any other tank the Germans had. Now if the KVs and T34s were facing early war panzers armed with 37mms, sure, they would crush them like soda cans
@@marekkolouch869 the longnbarreld 75 would punch right through the frontal kv1 armor.
@@blank557: "Now if the KVs and T34s were facing early war panzers armed with 37mms, sure, they would crush them like soda cans"
Now you´r on it!
The germans had Panzer III on July 13th, 1942.
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@@ULTRA_2112 ok u know what type of tanks germany had in 1942..so the tanks in this shit movie are pz 3 switch 37mm guns? Are u on drugs??
This scene is almost as historically inaccurate as the on in Fury. Those Germans panzer IV's wouldn't come out of hiding... Especially not to engage a KV-1 in frontal fire combat. They're not children playing with toys...
but, but skiiiillll4ltu, they are in game, bots...
@Zynthetic Nekki what's next, T-34 going 100km/h with double barrel guns?
@Zynthetic Nekki my name is from WoT account, if you want to buy it LOL...
@Zynthetic Nekki ua-cam.com/video/huYt8R0C6F8/v-deo.html Croatian cartoon from my childhood
Again, this is a movie, its all about action than realism. If the movie makers decided to put the real stuffs that happened then the movie is less thrilling and boring to watch because there is no action. Typical offended German tank fanboys...
0:15 giving me flashbacks of my old Lada Niva :D
Exactly !!! Had also one ... lol
man inside that russian tank is like it's a big as my room lmao
I like how the Panzer 4's entire back compartment seemingly exploded (Which is where I assume the engine and ammo is) but the entire tank somehow kept moving
Must've missed the transmission or the vital engine parts s o m e h o w
Somewhere help T 34
Ammo is at the front (war thunder player here), sits quite high and can be easy single shoot by soviet or american tanks
@Ssar1702 warthunder isn't always fully accurate, this is coming from a fellow warthunder player, as en example Is the e100, there was no plans to put a Maus turret on it as it was ment to be faster
@@xxkrazykrewxxl6254That isn’t really relevant though… the ammo location on a panzer IV is pretty widely known. There’s no reason it would be wrong.
Then the germans did drove like this they were doing it wrong. German tank driver stopped before they fired... Also very subspect that they coulnt hit a kv1 in 700m. The Pzv III and IV had such good acc.... maybe based on a true story but still very lucky for the russians.
Kv 1 mejor que los Panzer
Or just some Russian bias(how the original ww2 crew tell these stories)
Inaccurate just like fury
Im Russian and this film is full bulshit.
Better to see old film called "Javoronok"
Worth it.
Its Russian propaganda ;)
Actually, KV-1 is not a tank. It's an above-ground submarine.
Это как это? Сухопутная подводная лодка..Было такое кино"Подводная лодка в степях Украины." Думали,шутка..😁
* Overweight * Lmao
I know it’s fictional, but I hate how their is never any dispersion in tank movies. They’re always right next to each other making for easy targets.
Total bull...t. Whoever wote the script has no clue how things were ....
Agreed. The Germans would never advance in such a close and vulnerable formation.
Dont won't to repeat what others commented, like breaking cover for no reason, having optics, 88 and the best front armour, 'stop and shoot', and radio comm. Russians didnt have radio in tanks what the.... ?!?
Everybody here are correct. Supremacy of rus tanks is a filthy propaganda
Most of cinema in 21 century is shit, relax
@@kitpesec1536 relax, it's only a film.
It nice to see some of those famous tanks actually rolling again. The KV-1 lacked the speed, range, and flexibility of the T34 and thus was superceded by the upgunned T34-85 and then rather dramatically by the vaunted IS-2 series. Still, the KV-1 certainly was quite usable and could stand up to the opposition, though it was at a disadvantage compared to the best Panther and Tiger models...
*T-34 T34 is an american Heavy tank
@@romaboo6218 Ahah))
@@romaboo6218 iqless
I think you are overrating the KV1. Super slow, engine was crap, the gun was not great, though it did the job vs pz3s. Didnt have the range of a long barrel 75 pz4 so the last thing the germans would do is charge in on a kv1 (unless they could get around, but you are still going to take easy shots as you close instead of staying distant, where the german75 hv was more accurate and longer range), like in this clip. If you are going to compare them to pz3s and 35t or 38ts then yeah, much better. Not a fair comparison really. I'll take a 4F2 over a kv1 any day of the week. It didnt take the pz5 or 6 to make the kv1 obsolete.
In the 1941 KV-1 was juggernaut. Its front armor was unpenetrable for 50mm and 75mm tank guns from any range and side armor hold shell hits from long range shots. Several times KV-1 got 100-150 hits from Pz III and Pz IV guns during single battle and remained combat worthy or at least was able to retreat on its own for armor replacement. In the 1942 long-barreleed 75mm guns and Pz IVF tanks appeared. They were real duel threats to KV and Tigers clearly outclassed KVs. Despite that KVs were used until the 1944, slowly evolving in armor sense. Latest KV series tank was KV-85 designed in 1943 and produced for 3 month. 143 tanks were produced, than production lines were repurposed for IS tanks. Most of these tanks were lost and were replaced by IS-1 and IS-2 tanks, but some survived until the end of the war. And speed and range... To speed of KV-1 was 42 kph. So it had decent mobility for a heavy tank - quite comparable to Pz VI Tiger. Upgunned KV-85 armed with the same 85mm gun as T-34-85, it was decent threat for any Pz IV wehrmacht had and pose some threat for heavier german tanks, though it was still inferior to Panthers and Tigers. still had heavier armor than T-34 of any modification so these tanks were used as spearhed tip of a kind, much like IS tanks were used later.
KV: Fires a shot that doesn't land in the same time zone as any of the Panzers.
Panzer commanders: That's our cue.
I live the fact they are pretty chill inside the tank stuck but then win
Russian commander : "They are creeping out from the smoke.. Cockroaches..."
Me :" Ummm.. No sir.. You just woke up 3 DINOSAURS"..
Naah, Russian tanks were superior to German PANZERS in early war periods but then came the TIGER tank BOOM!
@@sayanmitra5979 These were the long barrel panzer 4s, clearly late war with the armor skirts. This cannon would mop the floor with a direct hit on that KV-1. The 76mm cannon on that KV-1 is BARELY enough to penetrate panzer 4s late war 80mm armor at 90 degrees flat. That is at about a 100 meters and with i would say only 80% chance of success. At 500m it wouldn't even leave as much as a scratch. So yeah, the movie is a clear fantasy. But i enjoyed the russian chatter :D
@@ignacymoscickifilms670 yess i agree, and also thank you for the info you have given me. But in early war period, KV 1 was better, remember the Battle of Raseiniai where a KV 1 battle with an entire panzer division
@@sayanmitra5979 You could argue the same with french tanks such as the Char B series. There was also a story of it competing against multiple panzers. While what you say is true, the russian tanks were even more misused than the french ones. Often sent out alone, without infantry support, they encountered well combined german forces. While early on the argument could be made of some russian tanks beeing better (especially KV-1 KV-2, and early models of T-34), most of them were not the heavy beasts that stopped entire batallions. In fact, most of russian tanks were disposable garbage, such as T-26. Heavier russian vehicles posed a large threat to the german army, though were most of the times unsupported and therefore easily outmanouvered. Also due to poor russian communications and generally unorganised force, germans were successful in surrounding and outnumbering most of the heavy tanks. See how favorable the german kill ratio was in the early war despite russians having some tanks that were theoretically unbeatable. Isolated cases of germans beeing "unlucky" were not enough to change the outcome of the early war. Thats all there is to it
@@sayanmitra5979 there was a huge difference between early war and late war. So yeah, you're right, kv1 were OP in the early war, but tanks were fitted with better guns to penetrate better so in the end kv1 became inferior compared to others like the IS series
Once the German rounds bounced off the Russian tank that did it for me.lets be more realistic.make German panzer tactics more real too
The KV 1 was feared by Germans as their guns could almost never penetrate their armour. However the KVs gun was also normally unable to penetrate German tanks either. So they were normally sponges capable of taking shots but not doing much damage either, the T 34s were much more capable of taking out German tanks then the KV.
*sighs* why get cracked up when your talkin' about Panzer IV? Do I need to tell you the armor of the KV1? Those Panzer IV, just scratchin' the paint by shooting the turret. Those guns are just using them puny 75's compare to the KV, 90mm turret armor so why expect it to pierce that armor? And what do you expect on watching a russian film you dumbass 😆
It's a russian based movie so what did you expect, huh? Hahaha!
@@konradschaible4716 a kv1 can pen german panzers only in the front chasis plate and the turret mantle
Totally agree. This is pure fiction. Why do they always make the Germans look stupid is beyond me.
Best war film to watch by far is Come and see.
@@Undertacoss: Yes, a KV 1 can pen german Panzers I, II and III, IVD, 35t and 38t only in the front chasis plate and the turret mantle!
You are an idiot, so much is clear!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank#Models
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_I
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_II
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_35(t)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_38(t)
The KV1 1 Tank and the T-34 was better than any German Panzer in 1941 and the beginning of 1942.
And I say that as German citizen.
Russian tanks with radios I’m amazed
And I’m amazed that a long 7.5cm gun did not pen the front of the turret of a kv1
@@vichothekiller6876 This is KV-1E - reinforced version with extra armor plates added, so not penetrating shots were quite possible. Ofcourse other things in this film are innacurate and stupid
Godar14 but it was a late 7.5 long cm gun, means that have more pen that the one of the F2 variant of pz 4, because the pz 4 in the movie are the H variant, the best variant of the pz4 and even a reinforced front turret of a KV-1 can’t stop it, only IS-1 and 2 could stop it or the front of lucky T-34-85 cuz the angles
Lend lease
@@muffy469 moron, russian tanks had radios since 1933 (called 1-TK-1, then 1-TK-2, 1-TK-3 and so on).
Imagine if the KV-2 outfitted with its howitzer joined the battle
Mom: What are you watching?
Me: Hollywood
if like fury there was only 1 tiger that would be fun
These are not Tigers. These are T-62s that pretend to be early war Pz.3s and 4s, which in that battle really were taken out. 19 of them, one was taken as a trophy.
SAINT_ALUCARD WarThunder the Pz.IV were late war nodel
@@cjnore4583 look closer in my comment. I said "T-62 that pretends to be early war Pz.4", I meant that in reality there were short-barelled Pz.3s and Pz.4s, maybe even Pz.2s, and in the movie they are long-barelled and shielded just because those are T-62s
this is essentially the eastern front fury movie, and i know i'm not the only one to say that.
A much worse verion, yeah :)
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At least they actually hit the thing
Hollywood movies always show turrets to be the size of a school bus on the inside. M60s, pretty roomy, M1A1 not so much. Armor for 23 years, still love the movies!