Good on you fella’s for saving these old carriages for future restoration! I think it’s the same as restoring old cars & trucks as they deserve it! And it doesn’t matter what part of the world we are in, it’s good to see like minded people who care about our transport history! Greetings from Melbourne, Australia.
Update, July 2018: the cars are in various stages of restoration - the Lion Gardiner was sold and shipped out to be restored - and with some additional track work, this section of track is once again "high iron." The volunteer staff at CMRR is a pretty amazing bunch!
Thanks for posting this, each one of those cars represents a big part of our history, I’m Canadian, but this is obviously in the United States, but both of our great nations were connected and founded by the railways. I hope they take those beautiful old cars and totally restore them back to their original grandeur. If ever you’re in Toronto, which is where I live, just near the base of the CN Tower, is the old railway round house, which is now a railway museum that has cars from the 1800s all the way up to today, all in perfectly restored order. I can’t explain the feeling you get when you walk into it, it’s like stepping back in time. Much like every major city in North America, Toronto had a huge railway system, which is now completely gone, replace mostly by trucks and public transit trains. But I’m glad that the area where the railway lands used to be, at least a small part of it, has been saved and restored back to the original condition. They even restored one of the conductors booths, one of the very first train stations from the mid-1800s. I’m assuming it’s the same in the United States, because I’ve been to most of your cities, and it’s the one thing we all share in common. Because were a waterfront city, as is most of the East Coast from Nova Scotia all the way down to Florida, goods were brought in by ship, and then distributed via railway. It’s more than just nostalgia, it’s almost romantic in a strange sort of way, as you walk through all the old rail cars, or climb on board the old steam engines, and first diesel trains, you feel like you’re connected to the time period. And while that era is long gone, it’s nice to see that they have preserved so much of it, which is why I pray to God they do the same to these real cars in the video. They have no price, because they’re irreplaceable.
It’s sad to see them in that condition. I love seeing the trains and see there are people who actually care to try and bring them back to life. Those cars are a big part of our history.
Me and my family rode the train last year with the 0-4-0, enjoyed it very much. Every one needs to remember it takes money and muscle to make it happen.
On one side of our family we're descended from Lion Gardiner, and on the other side we had a mason who actually built the station at Hurley(ville), Middletown and others. Nice to see!
Update, end of September, 2019: NEW WEBSITE: www.catskillmountainrailroad.com. NEW TRACKAGE: The CMRR is running on all available track, from MP3 at Kingston to the east, all the way west to MP 8:33, Route 28A at Stony Hollow. All track has been upgraded by mostly volunteer workers, and the derelict-looking cars are either off the property or have been restored! Unfortunately the 28A crossing was paved over by Ulster County, but CMRR is trying to get it reopened as the track is still on the ground further west to just before Basin Road (around MP10); it easily hosted inspection trains about 3 years ago. Unfortunately, the county has removed the rails west of there, but restoring an additional 1-to-1.5 miles of track would bring CMRR to Glenford Dike, a scenic point of interest on the Ashokan where the tourist ride could terminate. In the meanwhile, if you're reading this is 2019, some great fall foliage runs, pumpkin trains and the Polar Express are all scheduled for the rest of the year. Come on up to Kingston!
What happened to the tracks beyond that point? Wasn't there a bridge washed out? Isn't the track used out of Phoenicia any more? They had a few ex-Lackawanna open window coaches.
I love the American railroads especially the short lines.I used to read that trains magazine when I lived in England and I loved the old tales of the railwaymen from the old days!
Aren't those the ones that were being restored after a museum was built before politicans got involved. I talked to the workers there they were pretty upset after putting in so much effort the money spent only to have it all ripped away
yeah that sounded like rust falling off, when they coupled the second car. I think not having those air brakes hooked up might have been a good idea as long as they were going slow. probably keeps those brakes from locking up because of the rust
Once, they were the most luxurious cars any railfan can enjoy. Now, they lay derelict. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust. Wood decays, And metal rusts. They once made many happy. Now they are looked upon in disgust.
Alex Twist pushed them up about 1,000 feet up the track.video called first train to cross hurley mountain road! Then sod most of them to tourist railroads.
Dam I don’t ever remember having to do that with my train. Nowadays you just push the button and the fist opens. Guess real trains are different than toys?
I recognized the Lackawanna MU immediately. I rode those electrics countless times in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s until they were taken out of service. Are these coaches going to be restored? They look very rough.
+g bridgman That diner's scrap, for sure, salvage the trucks and some other stuff. The rot's incredible, and there's a fair amount of collision damage.
Expected to see the loco move away and just tear the bogies clean out from under the coaches! They shoulda stopped and freed off the brakes they would have been rusted on! I worked on the railroads as a commissioning engineer for many years, nice to see them rolling again , but those stuck wheels with just get flats worn on them if they dont free the brakes off 😕
These coaches all have celestial roofs reminiscent of the 1890's and non-roller bearing trucks. The Jaeny Couplers were no-doubt affixed later in the car's shown here in their early lives.
Clerestory. "Janney" (knuckle) couplers were standard well before these steel cars were built. Later passenger train cars have Tight-Lock couplers that won't override. Roller bearings came in beginning around 1940. The NC&StLRy J3 576 built in 1942 had all roller bearing axles yet plain bearing rods. The J3s' predecessor class J2 built n the 1930s was all plain "friction" bearings axles. The J3s had one-piece cast steel bed frames. The leading two driver axles had side play in the bearing boxes. The lead truck guided the locomotive. One old engineer said the "Stripes" (J3s) rode as smoothly as a six-wheel trucked Pullman car, while other locomotives pounded, jerked around, rocked and swayed so hard at speed that his feet were off the footplate (cab floor) much of the time.
Maybe the A-hole that set this car a fire has a few jollies left to enjoy seeing the departure of its damaged work that day. These days there seems to be too many are ready to destroy any part of valu history just because it may be placed into a remote idle state for days or years.
Sad, I just read that the CMRR is closing. I did some environmental work for them in 2013 on the Dining Car 154, Coach Car 4322, Coach Car 1198, Coach Car 1204, Freight Car - Ballast Hopper - 51467 and Freight Car - Gondola 51899.
alan young They are actually very much so alive and well. They have a brand new website. It's actually worth a visit. I would but I live all the way across the country.
R U kiddin? RR wheel "tyres" are flatted by locked brakes and being dragged along without rolling. Most RR wheels are solid forged one piece. Steam locomotive drivers have separate tires shrunk onto the wheel centers. Chilled cast iron wheels were cast in one piece. They have been illegal for interchange for decades.
+huggable cactus I too was wondering why the air brake lines weren't connected. I didn't think about them being in bad shape sitting for so long. That makes sense.
Good on you fella’s for saving these old carriages for future restoration! I think it’s the same as restoring old cars & trucks as they deserve it! And it doesn’t matter what part of the world we are in, it’s good to see like minded people who care about our transport history! Greetings from Melbourne, Australia.
Much love Atlanta Ga.
just to think those railcars were once state of the art
They are a unique link with the past and therefore must be saved. Not an easy job to restore but certainly possible
With those six wheel Commonwealth trucks, they rode better than today's Amfleet rolling stock. Seriously.
I can also confirm this!
they sure as hell do. I rode amfleet cars from Chicago to NYC to see the USS intrepid memorial. they sure aren't 'superliners.'
Terry Witkowski lol, I never rode in the Superliners
I remember seeing them sitting on the rails like that for many years and one day they were gone
Crazy seeing this after all this time
Update, July 2018: the cars are in various stages of restoration - the Lion Gardiner was sold and shipped out to be restored - and with some additional track work, this section of track is once again "high iron." The volunteer staff at CMRR is a pretty amazing bunch!
countrypaul REALLY (starts crying tears of joy)
Thanks for updating this clip. Do one of the restoration phase if you can.
countrypaul this railway back in use?
Those tracks are being used now? Any videos of restoration.?
@@kittycatlpsproductions2147 .
Thanks for posting this, each one of those cars represents a big part of our history, I’m Canadian, but this is obviously in the United States, but both of our great nations were connected and founded by the railways. I hope they take those beautiful old cars and totally restore them back to their original grandeur. If ever you’re in Toronto, which is where I live, just near the base of the CN Tower, is the old railway round house, which is now a railway museum that has cars from the 1800s all the way up to today, all in perfectly restored order. I can’t explain the feeling you get when you walk into it, it’s like stepping back in time. Much like every major city in North America, Toronto had a huge railway system, which is now completely gone, replace mostly by trucks and public transit trains. But I’m glad that the area where the railway lands used to be, at least a small part of it, has been saved and restored back to the original condition. They even restored one of the conductors booths, one of the very first train stations from the mid-1800s. I’m assuming it’s the same in the United States, because I’ve been to most of your cities, and it’s the one thing we all share in common. Because were a waterfront city, as is most of the East Coast from Nova Scotia all the way down to Florida, goods were brought in by ship, and then distributed via railway. It’s more than just nostalgia, it’s almost romantic in a strange sort of way, as you walk through all the old rail cars, or climb on board the old steam engines, and first diesel trains, you feel like you’re connected to the time period. And while that era is long gone, it’s nice to see that they have preserved so much of it, which is why I pray to God they do the same to these real cars in the video. They have no price, because they’re irreplaceable.
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@@GigglyMan42069 that makes 2 of us
It’s sad to see them in that condition. I love seeing the trains and see there are people who actually care to try and bring them back to life. Those cars are a big part of our history.
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Great job guys, that railroad is coming alone nicely.
Me and my family rode the train last year with the 0-4-0, enjoyed it very much. Every one needs to remember it takes money and muscle to make it happen.
AMAZING - great to see them roll again
Lots of history in just this video, thanks for sharing
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Glad you liked it! Thanks for the sub!
On one side of our family we're descended from Lion Gardiner, and on the other side we had a mason who actually built the station at Hurley(ville), Middletown and others. Nice to see!
that is amazing and a testament to how well they're built
Update, end of September, 2019: NEW WEBSITE: www.catskillmountainrailroad.com. NEW TRACKAGE: The CMRR is running on all available track, from MP3 at Kingston to the east, all the way west to MP 8:33, Route 28A at Stony Hollow. All track has been upgraded by mostly volunteer workers, and the derelict-looking cars are either off the property or have been restored! Unfortunately the 28A crossing was paved over by Ulster County, but CMRR is trying to get it reopened as the track is still on the ground further west to just before Basin Road (around MP10); it easily hosted inspection trains about 3 years ago. Unfortunately, the county has removed the rails west of there, but restoring an additional 1-to-1.5 miles of track would bring CMRR to Glenford Dike, a scenic point of interest on the Ashokan where the tourist ride could terminate. In the meanwhile, if you're reading this is 2019, some great fall foliage runs, pumpkin trains and the Polar Express are all scheduled for the rest of the year. Come on up to Kingston!
What happened to the tracks beyond that point? Wasn't there a bridge washed out? Isn't the track used out of Phoenicia any more? They had a few ex-Lackawanna open window coaches.
Hi! Very nice video and interesting carriages. Greetings from Italy. Ciao, Stefano :-)
Awesome Video! First car across 209 looks like a Blue Comet car.
Nice. I must have driven by them 100 times when I lived up in Grahamsville.
Love he hand and whistle signals, my conductor and I use them all the time.
You call those hand signals? They're a joke.
smashing footage. love the horn
Great work.
I remember driving by them many times.
I love the American railroads especially the short lines.I used to read that trains magazine when I lived in England and I loved the old tales of the railwaymen from the old days!
well I HOPE the cars will be restored & not scrapped
microbusss .All but 1 were sold for restoring. We kept 1 for ourselves to restore.
Aren't those the ones that were being restored after a museum was built before politicans got involved. I talked to the workers there they were pretty upset after putting in so much effort the money spent only to have it all ripped away
they all lieng they got scrapped
@@GroovyCAAMPer1974... lie lying liar.
Thanks for the Video. An for the one's who updated in the comments.
I've seen those things a hundred times going to Kingston .
Good video......................
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Nice old carriages, hope they are nicely restored 💖
They're called coaches not carriages.
@@markfrench8892 In British English carrige means also coach.
@@markfrench8892 Same thing.
I'm more then amazed someone didn't steal the journal brasses from those cars sitting so long.
Great video loud train to overall score: 89 Good job
nice video
Thumbs up !
It's amazing that they can move, many things when severely oxidized, will not spin.
But that locomotive is strong so I really shouldn't be impressed.
I hope they are restored, but it won't be too easy.
yeah that sounded like rust falling off, when they coupled the second car. I think not having those air brakes hooked up might have been a good idea as long as they were going slow. probably keeps those brakes from locking up because of the rust
So those cars rusted that bad after only 15 years? wow!
Scot Caraway iiiiii
Judy Roberts what type of reply is that
Only?
Scot Caraway ikr
They were probably already old when they were left sitting. If they were in good shape, the RR probably would have moved them off the line to a yard.
É top a nossa Ferrovia
It is a shame these cars could not be rescued and restored 15 years ago.
Highlinerlocal66 Yeah... it almost makes me cry whenever I see an old train set rust away. Especially the beautiful 1st-gen diesels. :(
Highlinerlocal66
The train of the forgotten cars.
Once, they were the most luxurious cars any railfan can enjoy. Now, they lay derelict.
Ashes to ashes.
Dust to dust.
Wood decays,
And metal rusts.
They once made many happy. Now they are looked upon in disgust.
I don’t look at them with disgust, I look at them with awe
If you can go back in time. Can you imagine all those many faces looking out?
Those cars ere built back when things were made to last. I'll bet those cars are over 100 years old
What happened after these were removed? Were they restored, and where are they now?
the rear coach looks like it is in better shape. what did they do to the coaches when they moved them?
Alex Twist pushed them up about 1,000 feet up the track.video called first train to cross hurley mountain road! Then sod most of them to tourist railroads.
I wonder how many miles those old cars went, before being abandon..?
Okay so there is a pneumatically ran whistle on the diesel. Lol haven't seen that in a while
I hope that they were restored to
is there where 209 is very near 87? I remember there were a couple cars right next to 209 i think it was the kingston exit off 87
I'm getting all emotional watching this.
Did they oil or grease any wheel bearing before setting off?
No. Didn't bring them far. Maybe a half mile .
@@train5974 half a mile is enough to do damage.
They were not scrapped. one we kept for restoration and the other ones were sold to other railroads..
Where's part 2 ?
We're wheel journals lubricated before moving? Hate to see anything needlessly damaged.
Moved where? To be restored?
Thank you.
Is it me or does it sound like that diesel has an air steam whistle
It's a Hancock air whistle from a fl9.
Hi
Dam I don’t ever remember having to do that with my train. Nowadays you just push the button and the fist opens. Guess real trains are different than toys?
will these carriages be restored?
We kept the one on the left. All the others were sold to other railroads.
super cool
I thought you had to hook the hoses up first like a semi.
Is that a diesel with a whistle?
Those cars seem to be the former NJT MUs that were retired in 1984!
The second coach looks like a former MU, but not the first one - no six wheel trucks on motorized MU's.
glen rock railfan seems all the info in in the description..
How can the coaches move without the air hoses being connected? 4:40
Air hoses don't have anything to do with moving a train or a car.
There is no air in the brake reservoir. Brakes only work when the air is released to the pistons.
@@train5974 thank you!
I recognized the Lackawanna MU immediately. I rode those electrics countless times in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s until they were taken out of service. Are these coaches going to be restored? They look very rough.
+g bridgman That diner's scrap, for sure, salvage the trucks and some other stuff. The rot's incredible, and there's a fair amount of collision damage.
awesome! thx for sharing, new sub for life too :)
looks like total restorations
EEUU you still love trains and you know it.
Were those coaches restored and used on the trains, or did CMRR never get a chance to restore them fully?
it should have been DCC DIRECT RAIL
Were did they go
So well the 2 passenger cars be saved?
Look closely at the second passenger car it’s a New Jersey blue comet
Expected to see the loco move away and just tear the bogies clean out from under the coaches! They shoulda stopped and freed off the brakes they would have been rusted on! I worked on the railroads as a commissioning engineer for many years, nice to see them rolling again , but those stuck wheels with just get flats worn on them if they dont free the brakes off 😕
what about the blue car further down the track @ 3:09
It was moved about 3 months later.
How did those cars get there
Great hand signals. No radio needed.
Thats the sense of handsignals...
I wish I could volunteer I’d love to help out and learn a few things
Why can't you? After a while you will get paid too!.
Why no air connections? I have no clue so... I thought the brakes were locked with no air to them?
You need air pressure to apply brakes. System probably won't hold air. Seals beed replacing.
where are those cars now?
rez ones I personally painted on them with ewoke.
@@andrewdannunzio146 ur telling lies
@@chumgalaxyaltk3723 you are an ass hole
And Rez they still run! I lived right behind them,And have vids
does it have an air whistle?
NostalgiaKarl K.F. That whistle is from a new haven fl9
amazing how careful they are. how old are the cars?
1920 - 1935
@@train5974 Sure would like to know what the container on the flat car was used for.
@@raywyatt5368 used for tools. Spike pullers and things.
@@train5974
Ok. Thank you.
update for these cars in 2020?
We have one we are currently restoring. Not suer ab5the others.
Are they planning on restoring these once beautiful cars?
Yes
I thought they would join the air hoses together for the brakes
Robert Chinnock didnt need brakes. only moved them about 300 feet. all uphill.
Putting air to that old system woulda made more problems, that old gal can handle it
@@jasonmatthew9194 not really. Just would of leaked out. That's why they didn't bother.
I woul love to help you restore them, and do crew too like I do here on the NCRy.
These coaches all have celestial roofs reminiscent of the 1890's and non-roller bearing trucks. The Jaeny Couplers were no-doubt affixed later in the car's shown here in their early lives.
Clerestory. "Janney" (knuckle) couplers were standard well before these steel cars were built. Later passenger train cars have Tight-Lock couplers that won't override.
Roller bearings came in beginning around 1940. The NC&StLRy J3 576 built in 1942 had all roller bearing axles yet plain bearing rods. The J3s' predecessor class J2 built n the 1930s was all plain "friction" bearings axles.
The J3s had one-piece cast steel bed frames. The leading two driver axles had side play in the bearing boxes. The lead truck guided the locomotive. One old engineer said the "Stripes" (J3s) rode as smoothly as a six-wheel trucked Pullman car, while other locomotives pounded, jerked around, rocked and swayed so hard at speed that his feet were off the footplate (cab floor) much of the time.
How many years were they stationery?
About 30 years
O descaso com os trens de passageiros não e só no Brasil.
Maybe the A-hole that set this car a fire has a few jollies left to enjoy seeing the departure of its damaged work that day. These days there seems to be too many are ready to destroy any part of valu history just because it may be placed into a remote idle state for days or years.
Is there more videos on these?
Yes.
@@train5974 ok
First train to Hurley mountain road. Name of video. Pushing all 5 coaches up a grade.
Sad, I just read that the CMRR is closing. I did some environmental work for them in 2013 on the Dining Car 154, Coach Car 4322, Coach Car 1198, Coach Car 1204, Freight Car - Ballast Hopper - 51467 and Freight Car - Gondola
51899.
Their lease didn't get renewed en toto, but they now have a lease for about 5 miles of track near Kingston.
Thanks for letting me know that they will continue.
alan young They are actually very much so alive and well. They have a brand new website. It's actually worth a visit. I would but I live all the way across the country.
Where is this ?
emdman1959 Kingston NY
I used to go down the highway to Kingston that those cars were next to. I was wondering where they went...
Cool
PLEASE TELL THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SCRAPPEED
coshyno No they were not scrapped. All but one were sold to other railroads for restoration. We kept one. It's in phoenicia. At railroad museum.
Their tyres must have gone flat??
R U kiddin? RR wheel "tyres" are flatted by locked brakes and being dragged along without rolling.
Most RR wheels are solid forged one piece. Steam locomotive drivers have separate tires shrunk onto the wheel centers.
Chilled cast iron wheels were cast in one piece. They have been illegal for interchange for decades.
That looks beyond restoration
I've seen way worse restored.
This should be done with the NY Central T3 and S motor in Albany
I thought the CMRR was finally closed down?
video was back in 2013
how come the air lines were'nt hooked up? ive been following your progress so i know you had them checked.
I think the purpose of the flat car is to provide the braking that is absent from the cars?
The air lines are rotted and would rupture causing a massive air leak
+huggable cactus I too was wondering why the air brake lines weren't connected. I didn't think about them being in bad shape sitting for so long. That makes sense.
@@tomtremil- Can't imagine the air brakes are in operable condition.
How opened they the brakes without airpressure?
those cars look they are from a ghost train
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