People need to realize that unless you are a full time professional, you only need to put your bucks into some fat glass instead of upgrading every generation.
I think, the biggest overall jump was the A7RIII. As you said, the image quality is still on par with the newest cameras. For me personally, it's still one of the best Sony cameras to buy in 2022. In terms of ISO performance, it's better than the A1. Stacked sensors always come with some downsides. I still use the A7RI for my private landscape pictures and I still love, what this sensor is capable to produce. Also the JPGs have this really special look, that I still love. The A7RIV was a step back in ISO performance, so it was directly out. It also felt a kind of slow. This camera came just to early after the RIII. All the nice new tech came after the release of the RIV. It always felt like someone just wants to put a 61mpix sensor in a body, even if the rest of the camera can't hold up to it. The A7RV feels completly different. It's not just the nice Af system. What makes the A7RV special is also the new IBIS and the sRAW. These two things are the reason for me to upgrade from the RIII. I was able to handhold more than 1sec with a 50mm F1.2, thats such a huge jump for Sony. It's something the others said, it's not possible with the E-mount, but they proofed them wrong, again.
@@jakeshootsstuff8187 Same here :) Got the a7r III and I will use it until it dies. And then probably try to repair it. The whole black color of the metal is already "scratched" away because of holding and wearing it on my body so much. :D
Same. I got a used A7R. Then I got an A7RII. Then I got an A7RIII. Then I kept the a7RIII. In my experience, it has the best image quality of all Sony sensors when it comes to dynamic range and low light. None of the newer A7R, A9 series, or the A1, quite match the A7RIII's performance for DR and low light. With that said, image quality alone is not what made me upgrade from the A7RII. The bigger battery, faster operation and dual SD card did. Autofocus improvements didn't make me upgrade either, but they were nice to have.
@@wandererstraining I thought a7rII and a7rIII had IDENTICAL sensors, why are you saying that "image quality alone... " implying that a7rIII is somehow better in image quality?!
@@SuperDamny It is. They have the same sensor, but the electronics around it are different, and it gives the A7R3 a slight edge in signal to noise ratio. If you look at DPreview's studio comparison tool, you can see the difference at high ISO. Again, on its own, it's not worth the upgrade, but with the other upgrades that the A7R3 brought to the table, it was worth it for me.
First, in an age where true unabashed opinions are getting rarer and rarer-thank you. I have been a Canon (all Iterations of 5D) and now Fujifilm shooter (X-Ts 2-4), seeing your analysis was very interesting. You commentary is honest without being harsh, but also somewhat hopeful. You clearly enjoy Sony A camera line! Your photographic work is very lovely. Your b-roll is also very attractive almost sexy. Your fluorescent tube lighting is just awesome! I want to shoot like Manny Ortiz when I grow up! Please keep up your great work. More importantly though, please take time to enjoy yourself, your awesome wife, and your family. May you have a blessed Christmas and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!
Very true. I just picked up an A7R2 in 2022 because it has everything I need for a fraction of the price of the newer models. There is a lot of new tech happening in the camera space, and a lot of it is great, but so much of it is just vanity specs to sell more cameras to people who already own cameras, just like the cell phone industry. Aside from bragging rights, most of it has no real world application for the majority of people buying them.
I bought my A7R2 in 2020. Sure the auto focus could be quicker but honestly the camera is great. Nothing massively appealed to me from an upgrade prospective and I don't think there is anything close in price to performance. The only thing it's been missing is the swivel screen...that Ive really been looking forward to. But will spend almost 3 times what I bought my A7R2 for, nope. A7R2 for the win.
I agree...my a7r2 is a BEAST...I use it all the time and never want to upgrade because it produces such beautiful photos...yea everything is faster these days but the r2 just gets the job done
I totally agree with you. I have the A7Rii as well, for landscape photography I don’t see the point of upgrading 🤷♂️ sure it’s slow but the image quality is still 🤯…
When I upgraded from the A7Rii to the A7Riii it was the faster buffering and faster focusing that won me over. It was so good I have not thought of upgrading since the A7Riii came out and I usually upgraded about every two years.
Just wanna acknowledge your time and hard work you put into making this video. We the viewers can sometimes take it for granted. Keep grinding Manny Ortiz!
Still got my a7R3, but the big improve for me with the newest cameras (i got the a74 to) is the AF. That's the first thing that make me upgrate my camera as wedding photographer. I also like the raw files sizes upgrade on A7R5 as it save a lot of space on storage. I agree with you that my A7R3 files are still good today, but i miss some af features. Anyway it still make the job for me...thanks for your great video.
I second this, I have the a7iv and A7Riii as well. I prefer the a7iv for the real time tracking autofocus and faster processor, but the image quality coming out of the a7riii is still the king.
Not a pro here but an enthusiast- I think the progress has been the tech around the camera progressing to the point where frequency of capturing a good image increases. I know when I started out, it was difficult to understand why my pictures were blurry etc and as I’ve progressed, I see how the current cameras “save” the picture if you know what I mean. Think low light, oss etc.
I am a Canon shooter and always have been. I agree that image quality intact has not changed much since the onset of digital which I know a lot of people don’t like hearing but it is true. I own a Canon R5 and have done some work with it but I still find myself using my 2009 1D MKiii with only ten megapixels on Wedding’s and Quinceanera’s still today. The R5 is so good that it makes me feel disconnected from the process of photography and it makes my day dull and unsatisfying because it takes away all my thinking, if that makes sense.
thanks so much for all your efforts all those years. i am a professional photographer and you are the only photography content producer I regularly and consistently tune in for. 😀🙌🏽
Damn, Manny. It's been a while since i stoped by your channel. Cant remember why it sliped but I promise to be better this year. And your vids are high quality and a great balance between inspiration and technichal focus. keep up the great work man
At 4:34 in the time stamp I can see a difference in the sharpness on youtube. The picture on the right side is more soft than the picture on the left side. I can see it in the skin detail. Its almost like there is a very slight haze in the picture on the right side that makes it seem slightly more soft and flatter feeling
I was one of the early adopters of Sony A7R in 2013 and still have the camera. I never saw the need to upgrade and am very happy with IQ. I appreciate the video and information you put out there.
Wow, honestly beautiful cinematography. Excellent shots and b roll. You deserve a much larger audience. My only wish was for more in depth video comparisons.
Great video. I'm happy with the image quality from my A7II which has everything I need. I don't shoot videos, and I've decided to resist the temptation to upgrade, and instead to concentrate on improving my photography skills. Try to ignore the GAS folks.
Same for me. I don`t shoot video, so the A7II is great. I`ve considered upgrading to the A7III, because the lack of the joystick and the sometimes a little bit fiddly autofocus bother me, but its over three times the price of my A7II (payed 400€ for it).
This video is spot on. I am still shooting with a D800E and I am ready to finally make the move to mirrorless. I don't expect much improvement in image quality of my still photos. The reasons to upgrade is mostly because of video and autofocus ability.
I finally upgraded to the a7iv from the a7iii and found that hard to justify based on my requirements which fall primarily into photography,. I couldn't justify the price of the a7rv nor do i need all those megapixels, or AI autofocus. Coming from the time when I had to manually move the focus point , I mean how much help do people really need autofocusing??? Great video, I've been watching and learning from you for a very long time, you are and continue to be an inspiration to us all. Thank you!
The A7RIII was years ahead of it's time. The sensor is still the highest rated of any Sony cameras for image quality and it's great in low light and even night photography. It lacks the bells and whistles of more recent models but it's a workhorse that is as solid as any other mirrorless cameras, much less Sony cameras.
Thanks Manny. I've been looking for a comparison between the A7RV and the A7RIII. All the comparison videos compare the A7RV to the A7RIV. This has been very helpful. I think I'll stick with my A7RIII for now.
Really appreciate seeing a review of the Sony line of cameras that isn't just trying to shill the latest newest most expensive camera. I agree with a lot of other people that I feel like there was a significant upgrade between the II and the III though I can't 100% put my finger on it. It may simply be the color processing that improved. I just got the IV but haven't shot with it yet but honestly am not expecting too much. I totally agree that its a shame that smartphone quality screens aren't being put on the backs of these cameras. Ultimately, I've found the biggest improvement to my photography since starting with the Sony a7 has been getting better glass and using primes when possible
I agree that glass>bodies so pick your body based on who has the glass you plan to get, or already have. Rather than just making BSI more common in all tiers of bodies, for me at least, a jump in low light performance is the thing that would make me think about a body update, even if the MP count dropped down to the original R's 36.
I mean the regular a7IV has a 33mp sensor, so that’s always an option if you want higher MP than normal 24 mp cameras and better lowlight system tHan the 60mp A7RV.
@Rebel Hikes: having jumped from A7M2 I am not bothered all that much by the articulating screen. It is certainly more useful when paired with a battery grip. Does it take slightly more effort to start using? Yes. But it also helps me take better pictures and stabilize the camera better. Luckily, it seems like we can have the best of both worlds now. I hope Sony will only use the hybrid hinge setup from now.
The next big step will come eventually, but both two-layer transistor and SPAD (single photon avalanche detection) sensors are still years away for full frame cameras unfortunately.
I shot with the a7rv this weekend and holy hell I was blown away with the autofocus. Huge improvement. I never pull the screen out so that means nothing to me. However the image quality is exactly the same as my a7riv, I saw no difference whatsoever. It is nice having every single shot nail focus though, that is an awesome improvement. I am really disappointed they stayed with the same sensor, why not make a jump in megapixels? Anyone that thinks megapixels don’t make a difference needs to watch Matt grangers hasselblad x2d vs Nikon video…the difference is comically huge. Thank you for not settling Sony couldve easily done better but they’re too busy listening to photographers that are afraid to slow down their workflow
I used one at the weekend....autofocus and tracking especially for eye/face was vastly improved also the colours seemed better. This is a mainly stills camera in my eyes, im not interested in the frames a second or video or i would get the A1.
@@mikeleighton9891 I always use manual white balance didn’t notice much of a difference. Are your talking about auto white balance or actual color in general? I didn’t notice any difference but I was in a total different environment than normal
Great video as you've put out for all these years! So many Canon people left the system before the 5D IV and 1DX2 came out. Those cameras upped the IQ to Sony levels even before the R cams came out. In fact the 5D IV was heaps better than the EOS R despite having the same sensor. The R5 and R6/II are slightly better, but the 5D IV still holds it's own for IQ (but the AF is mediocre at best). I remember a few of my friends getting the original Sony cams and though they couldn't support my work, they did seem like cool "toys" to me 10 years ago. LOL. For low light I suggest trying DXO PureRaw2. This is a game changer pre-raw converter/noise reduction software unlike anything I've tried in 18 years. I already shoot ISO12800 without a second thought on the R6 II but this software makes it next level (though I've only tried on R6 as the R6 II isn't supported yet). The bad design and bad LCDs are the reason after 18 years shooting Canon (and selling my gear during the lockdowns) I didn't go with Sony. I tried the A7IV but that LCD seemed so dated and the day to day user experience is at least as important to me as IQ. I ended up getting the R6 II instead, for less money (some great xmas sales for Canon) and I got full frame 4K and a nicer user experience. The 24 MP on this camera are crazy sharp (some say super weak AA filter) and upscale well and can actually be more detailed than the A7IV at 33 MP. I also got EF lenses and adapted them (Sigma Art lenses) and they are spectacular. The 50mm Art is about as sharp as the RF50 1.2 (arguably the sharpest 50mm you can buy), the AF is actually faster (the RF mount adapted with EF lenses actually improves AF speed vs native on DSLRs... Sony nor Nikon can make this claim with adapted lenses) and it's smaller. And the lens is 3x cheaper. I don't think you can get a 50mm 1.4 lens of this quality for the Sony system at this price. So while the lack of RF third party lenses does suck, it's not the end of the world on the RF system.
Awesome video man. I feel like we all get caught up in having the latest and greatest even though what we currently have is more than enough. This is coming from someone who just upgraded from the Sony A7Riii to the A7RV. I really agree with you that aside from a few upgrades when it comes to images they are all still very good.
I use to use your same mic, biggest regret is selling it off to pay bills. The self noise bothered me but nothing I couldn't technically edit out. With your great audio tone I regret even more selling it again.
What's up my friend. Just got a Sony A7iv and the main reason is the 3rd party lenses are more affordable. The body to me is to small for my hands so I got a smallrig cage to make it perfect. Canon and Nikon have been in this game for a while and in the future Sony needs to step up there game. And I feel that the right canon camera could have you switching your main camera of choice. If I had the money I would have rather had the canon but body and 20-70 lens to start would have cost me over 5000 dollars since they only have the RF mount available.
As someone who jumped on since the Sony NEX-5N (then NEX-7, then a7), I've noticed the drastic innovations Sony has made in each body. Yet, I totally agree & have been saying for years that I want more dynamic range ... of course, I get trolled by Sony fanboys that the dynamic range is already too good. I beg to differ. Here's my question. Is the current 15 stops of dynamic range directly or inversely related/proportional to the megapixels? In other words, does more or less megapixels mean more dynamic range?
Sony is always stubbornly. They never make the top OLED screen for the parameters same like Nikon Z6/7/9 series and Canon R5 R3. That's the reason I never use Sony.
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting to see. I’m a slow, walk around photographer. I don’t need AI autofocus, although I think it’s cool. Flowers and landscapes don’t have faces or pose any sort of way. So a camera like the a7ii would be a great upgrade from the crop sensor Canon Rebel that we all started out on.
As a Canon shooter who happens to own the A7Rii, I find Sony menus cluttered and hard to comprehend. So: 1. Did the menu system get better? 2. What are you using to make that lightning effect in the bg? 3. Please tell Kayla I said “heyyyyy”
Great comparison video, Manny! I'm considering the A7RV in large measure because of the significantly improved IBIS and AF, plus other evolutionary tweaks to the user experience such as the new 4-axis LCD mechanism and viewfinder. My hesitancy about the A7RV is its price (too high). I also have the A7RII, A7IV and A7III. The A7RV would give me additional resolution which is desirable to me, including for cropping purposes. The A7RV would extend the range of sensor resolutions I currently have.
I'm still shooting with the same sensor from the A7Rii and A7Riii, in the A99ii. I'm happy if the actual image quality doesn't get any better, as I think the quality it produces is outstanding. I haven't upgraded yet because of cost and ergonomics, as the A99ii still feels so much better than the mirrorless, although the A7Rv is not bad at all (I have pretty big hands). We are well past the point of image quality, it's now down to everything else that goes into the process to make shooting better and easier.
I jumped onto A7R from my NEX-3 on the release date. Still using it today. However, I will probably jump to A7iv instead of A7R#...... 36MP is sufficient and I now see AF the higher priority, right behind $$....
Nice overview! The NP-FZ100 battery would be where I'd personally make a cutoff of considering one of the Sony full-frame cameras. Though, even then the previous ones are just fine like a lot of cameras for a good long while.
This is why i am keeping my Canon R5 and only adding lenses from now on. I have the RF 24-70 and RF 100mm macro, next lens will be the RF 70-200 and whatever wide angle zoom they come out with (Canon needs a RF 11-24 f2 lens!)
@Manny ortiz I strongly recommend you to take the old canon 5dsr for a test. this is a fantastic camera, with a very serious picture, which is even better in depth than the R5.
If you want to understand the diminishing returns of sensor technology, research the diffraction limits of different censor formats in relation to lens aperture. I did this after studying why my photos weren't getting better with 61 mpx. It led me to adapting MF lenses on my FF camera and shooting below f/5.6.. this actually gave me the improvement I sought but it was such a pain to work with that I returned the camera. For professional work it might be worth the struggle... But it was way too much trouble for non paid work.
Just glad to see you drive a MK 7! I get new camera envy often but when I delve into it, hard to replace my a9 as my do everything camera. Nothing blows it away yet in my opinion.
I've had three of these cameras and the differences would be more obvious to you if ya shot outside the studio or beyond portraits. The way in which they became more multifaceted for multimedia purposes is quite obvious put him on a gimbal or shoulder rig or shooting fashion runway, festivals nightclubs etc.
I now have the A7RV, guys and the difference is absolutely obvious if you're a video shooter or run n gum photog, shooting live events or doing journalism it is way more reliable than the A7IV
I just came back from a trip to Bangladesh. Shot everything with a Fujifilm x-t20 and x100f (for a book and expo) and left my Sony A74 and A73 at home. My clients haven't noticed it at all ;-)
Still rocking the a7r2 since I haven't seen a camera that's given a fundamental leap in quality to be worth upgrading since the 2. The handling and battery improvements in the newer cameras are nice, but not THOUSANDS of dollars nicer, especially since I don't regularly shoot weddings or videos anymore (I can always rent for the few times I do)
I tried a Sony camera and when walking down the street my settings would change as the lcd banged into my body. Th3 battery would lose its charge super rapidly just sitting there. After that I sold it and went back to Nikon. The Nikon I have now doesn’t do that and the battery lasts for a very long time. I am not a pro but that’s my opinion.
Image quality is very good now. People are switching for numbers and features they don’t even use. The autofocus system was a reason to buy but now Canon and Sony have excellent AF. If you are’t getting good images today it might be the photographer.
Good video Manny, I always wondered about the basic image quality over the years. When you think about it , the sensors still work in much the same way, just later models sensirs have some extra functions added on. The main gripes for me on my trusty A73 have been pretty much the most common complaints with Sony mirrorless over the years i think. The less than user friendly menu system. The less than user friendly touch screen functionality . And as mentioned the quality of the rear screen and maybe even the brightness in sunlight was pretty average. The grip for me as I have large ish hands does feel a tad cramped between the lens and the grip , but not a deal breaker , as you adapt to these things. Good to see sony finally addressing some of these issues in recent models. As far as the body being almost unchanged for some years , that does have some good points , for example , a lot of accessories for the Sony A series have been interchangeable between models, so that is a good thing. I still love my old A7.
I agree with your thoughts on technology improvements and AI making photography more sterile. I actually saw a pro on the sidelines of a football game shooting with his cell phone. I am no pro, but under the right conditions, I find myself envious of the people that have the high end cell phones. For quick, well lit close shots, it's tough to beat, although I still get better images with my ILC and a good prime. May be my imagination, but I think people are less intimidated when you point a cell phone at them than they are with an ILC. I have adopted your LCD style of shooting when possible. I think people are less intimidated by that as well, and it makes it easier to hand the camera to a novice to take some shots. Thank you for all you do for us.
As a long time Sony shooter, I would say the one item most in need of an upgrade from Sony is the camera body itself. Why Sony is still stubbornly sticking to this ergonomically and durability inferior body blows my mind. I believe they could simply upgrade this one item, and drastically increase sales across their lineup. Imagine if Sony developed an entirely new body similar to Canon, Nikon, or even Hasselblad. I believe this is the main issue preventing Sony from completely taking over the market. This video proves how little Sony has innovated in this department since 2013.
I think they keep it that way because they think it looks more "simplistic" and "modern" than traditional hand grips, but I think I can speak for most shooters here that we care more about a more comfy tool for taking nice pictures than a nice looking camera body lol
@@swegmastur614 it’s a matter of taste of course but IMHO Sony cameras do not look prettier than a canon or nikon body. Less traditional for sure but I prefer those ruberised bodies. And still I probably gonna get an a7r5. Tired being with the underdog. Fuji I meant 😁. We want same autofocus performance in video and still Fuji !!!!
Love this, definitely have to agree with the jumps between the R-R3 made upgrading feel worthwhile. Still have my R3 and love the balance it has and the video is good enough for general use. Love love love your analysis of this and glad you parted ways in the Sony artisans program but sad I wasn’t able to meet you when doing my sales training for Sony while you were in it.
Great commentary. Love my A7r3. Another unsung hero of the lineup is the original A9 - still a seriously great all-around camera. It's fast, has wonderful image quality, no rolling shutter, and that great mid-sized grip of the 3rd gen Sony system. And since you rarely need the mechanical shutter on the A9, even well-used ones on ebay have low shutter counts, and years of life left in them. My A9 and A7R3 complement each other beautifully.
@@M3mphislov3r I did a bit of checking to better answer your question, and I did confirm that while both cameras will shoot 4k/30fps, only the A9 will give you full frame, while the R3 has a significant crop (which bit me a couple of times). Like I said, I don't shoot much video, but I would think the A9 would be the better choice just based on that.
Hi James, I have an a9 and a7R lll as well. I couldn't agree more with your thoughts and assessment. Still extraordinary cameras in 2022 that I use frequently.
I have had a Canon EOS 7D for almost a decade now and two years ago I decided to switch to new camera because there are a lot of bad pixels on the sensor. I bought and returned GH5, a6600 and even Canon R. Why? Because the price to improvement of image quality was too little to justify switching. Unfortunately I had to buy something and at the end I went with Fuji XT-4 because it had everything I wanted and I fell in love with the dials and fuji color sience. The image quality isn't much better and if I had to go only with the image quality I would not buy anything though
The Sony A1 makes the A7R series feel a little redundant. 61MP is only 20% more resolution than 50 and the speed of the A1 makes it so much more versatile. And at 5500 vs 3900, you don't get THAT much of a cost savings either. Maybe there's a bit too much diversification in Sony's FF camera range now with the A7 IV at 2500, A7R V at 3900, A7S III at 3500. But the latter two just don't do reasonably more than the base A7 IV and you just get more value with the A1 as well.
If I could give constructive criticism on the video - I’m not sure you really did much to answer the main question the video was trying to answer. You kind of just did one test and even did it with a different camera and made an entire conclusion (then only mentioned low light improvement but didn’t show it). Plus the rest of the video was I guess a review of the camera? I’m not sure what the whole second half of the video was supposed to be about. It would be great to see a follow up video that did some more tests and showed more results. I hope this helps vs just sounding like complaining.
As long as you can get consistently sharp photos then the difference between 42 or 61 megapixels is not as important as the ability to track what you need with reliable auto focus.
Picked up an A7Rii when it first came out. Been researching a replacement over the last two versions and just can’t justify it. Even for video it still does everything I need and looks great. Maybe I’m used to it’s short comings but the ROI just isn’t there for me.
I have exactly the same opinion. I never cease to be amazed by the words of the ambassadors, who describe older versions as semi-professional or amateur, while three years ago they praised it as a great professional camera :-). I still have an A7r ii and iii foir my work. After trying the fourth generation, I didn't notice much of a shift and didn't feel the need to change. I'd rather save the money and get better glass
What would you suggest to enter full frame (on budget) for photography mostly, not video .. A7Rii or better go for Riii? Was also thinking about 7ii or 7iii (not R) series.
@@dasIDS a7rii is really good option, when you want also use crop mode or need really high resolution. You will need more batteries and shoot lowlight on high iso on crop mode. A7iii is for the beginers perfect and you can buy used for low price (probably best choice for you). a7ii is too AF slow..
How can image quality get better really from there sensors? I think they unlocked top quality a long time ago and others just needed to catch up, which took what? 10 years? I'm still a nikon shooter, but I respect what Sony has done.
Photography is a new hobby for me. I have a A7r because you can get an incredibly capable camera and amazing lenses for very little. As your hobby grows and you start hitting the limits of a 10 year old camera you only need to upgrade the body. Also the size is very positive because it feels less obvious. This helps build your confidence.
People need to realize that unless you are a full time professional, you only need to put your bucks into some fat glass instead of upgrading every generation.
I came from the A77/A99 to the A7R3 and hadn’t really put much thought in to how mirrorless evolved from the early days. Great analysis video bro 👏
Same here I shot with the a57 and then the a99 during the last few years of my ownership of the a99 I picked up the original a7.
I think, the biggest overall jump was the A7RIII. As you said, the image quality is still on par with the newest cameras. For me personally, it's still one of the best Sony cameras to buy in 2022. In terms of ISO performance, it's better than the A1. Stacked sensors always come with some downsides.
I still use the A7RI for my private landscape pictures and I still love, what this sensor is capable to produce. Also the JPGs have this really special look, that I still love.
The A7RIV was a step back in ISO performance, so it was directly out. It also felt a kind of slow. This camera came just to early after the RIII. All the nice new tech came after the release of the RIV. It always felt like someone just wants to put a 61mpix sensor in a body, even if the rest of the camera can't hold up to it. The A7RV feels completly different. It's not just the nice Af system.
What makes the A7RV special is also the new IBIS and the sRAW. These two things are the reason for me to upgrade from the RIII. I was able to handhold more than 1sec with a 50mm F1.2, thats such a huge jump for Sony. It's something the others said, it's not possible with the E-mount, but they proofed them wrong, again.
I'm still on my a7iii, I don't think I'll ever sell it.
@@jakeshootsstuff8187 Same here :) Got the a7r III and I will use it until it dies. And then probably try to repair it. The whole black color of the metal is already "scratched" away because of holding and wearing it on my body so much. :D
Same. I got a used A7R. Then I got an A7RII. Then I got an A7RIII. Then I kept the a7RIII. In my experience, it has the best image quality of all Sony sensors when it comes to dynamic range and low light. None of the newer A7R, A9 series, or the A1, quite match the A7RIII's performance for DR and low light.
With that said, image quality alone is not what made me upgrade from the A7RII. The bigger battery, faster operation and dual SD card did. Autofocus improvements didn't make me upgrade either, but they were nice to have.
@@wandererstraining I thought a7rII and a7rIII had IDENTICAL sensors, why are you saying that "image quality alone... " implying that a7rIII is somehow better in image quality?!
@@SuperDamny It is. They have the same sensor, but the electronics around it are different, and it gives the A7R3 a slight edge in signal to noise ratio. If you look at DPreview's studio comparison tool, you can see the difference at high ISO. Again, on its own, it's not worth the upgrade, but with the other upgrades that the A7R3 brought to the table, it was worth it for me.
First, in an age where true unabashed opinions are getting rarer and rarer-thank you. I have been a Canon (all Iterations of 5D) and now Fujifilm shooter (X-Ts 2-4), seeing your analysis was very interesting. You commentary is honest without being harsh, but also somewhat hopeful. You clearly enjoy Sony A camera line! Your photographic work is very lovely. Your b-roll is also very attractive almost sexy. Your fluorescent tube lighting is just awesome! I want to shoot like Manny Ortiz when I grow up! Please keep up your great work. More importantly though, please take time to enjoy yourself, your awesome wife, and your family. May you have a blessed Christmas and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!
Very true. I just picked up an A7R2 in 2022 because it has everything I need for a fraction of the price of the newer models. There is a lot of new tech happening in the camera space, and a lot of it is great, but so much of it is just vanity specs to sell more cameras to people who already own cameras, just like the cell phone industry. Aside from bragging rights, most of it has no real world application for the majority of people buying them.
I bought my A7R2 in 2020. Sure the auto focus could be quicker but honestly the camera is great. Nothing massively appealed to me from an upgrade prospective and I don't think there is anything close in price to performance. The only thing it's been missing is the swivel screen...that Ive really been looking forward to. But will spend almost 3 times what I bought my A7R2 for, nope. A7R2 for the win.
I agree...my a7r2 is a BEAST...I use it all the time and never want to upgrade because it produces such beautiful photos...yea everything is faster these days but the r2 just gets the job done
I totally agree with you. I have the A7Rii as well, for landscape photography I don’t see the point of upgrading 🤷♂️ sure it’s slow but the image quality is still 🤯…
When I upgraded from the A7Rii to the A7Riii it was the faster buffering and faster focusing that won me over. It was so good I have not thought of upgrading since the A7Riii came out and I usually upgraded about every two years.
Just wanna acknowledge your time and hard work you put into making this video. We the viewers can sometimes take it for granted. Keep grinding Manny Ortiz!
Seriously - the overall quality and density of information provided in just 12 minutes is fantastic.
Manny this is just a fresh take on the sony mirrorless... Loved it
Looking forward to see more of these
Still got my a7R3, but the big improve for me with the newest cameras (i got the a74 to) is the AF. That's the first thing that make me upgrate my camera as wedding photographer. I also like the raw files sizes upgrade on A7R5 as it save a lot of space on storage. I agree with you that my A7R3 files are still good today, but i miss some af features. Anyway it still make the job for me...thanks for your great video.
I second this, I have the a7iv and A7Riii as well. I prefer the a7iv for the real time tracking autofocus and faster processor, but the image quality coming out of the a7riii is still the king.
Not a pro here but an enthusiast- I think the progress has been the tech around the camera progressing to the point where frequency of capturing a good image increases. I know when I started out, it was difficult to understand why my pictures were blurry etc and as I’ve progressed, I see how the current cameras “save” the picture if you know what I mean. Think low light, oss etc.
I am a Canon shooter and always have been. I agree that image quality intact has not changed much since the onset of digital which I know a lot of people don’t like hearing but it is true. I own a Canon R5 and have done some work with it but I still find myself using my 2009 1D MKiii with only ten megapixels on Wedding’s and Quinceanera’s still today. The R5 is so good that it makes me feel disconnected from the process of photography and it makes my day dull and unsatisfying because it takes away all my thinking, if that makes sense.
thanks so much for all your efforts all those years. i am a professional photographer and you are the only photography content producer I regularly and consistently tune in for. 😀🙌🏽
Damn, Manny. It's been a while since i stoped by your channel. Cant remember why it sliped but I promise to be better this year. And your vids are high quality and a great balance between inspiration and technichal focus. keep up the great work man
Love this video! I currently rock with an a7rII...
Currently thinking of picking up an A7r iii but hesitant due to its age. Hearing you say it's the sweet spot is encouraging!
At 4:34 in the time stamp I can see a difference in the sharpness on youtube. The picture on the right side is more soft than the picture on the left side. I can see it in the skin detail. Its almost like there is a very slight haze in the picture on the right side that makes it seem slightly more soft and flatter feeling
I was one of the early adopters of Sony A7R in 2013 and still have the camera. I never saw the need to upgrade and am very happy with IQ. I appreciate the video and information you put out there.
Wow, honestly beautiful cinematography. Excellent shots and b roll. You deserve a much larger audience. My only wish was for more in depth video comparisons.
Great video. I'm happy with the image quality from my A7II which has everything I need. I don't shoot videos, and I've decided to resist the temptation to upgrade, and instead to concentrate on improving my photography skills. Try to ignore the GAS folks.
Same for me. I don`t shoot video, so the A7II is great. I`ve considered upgrading to the A7III, because the lack of the joystick and the sometimes a little bit fiddly autofocus bother me, but its over three times the price of my A7II (payed 400€ for it).
I’m still shooting the A7Rii for my purposes it’s perfect only thing I wish I had was touch screen
This video is spot on. I am still shooting with a D800E and I am ready to finally make the move to mirrorless. I don't expect much improvement in image quality of my still photos. The reasons to upgrade is mostly because of video and autofocus ability.
it's sony sensor in both, so..
@@izoyt image quality really has not changed for a long time
I switched from d800e to a7 classic and i happy. I used with Sigma 50 1.4 art and its af accuracy for static shot is better than d800e+nikon 50 1,8g.
I you will benefit from seeing live the image as you change settings you will go mirrorless. That alone had me switching in 2016.
I finally upgraded to the a7iv from the a7iii and found that hard to justify based on my requirements which fall primarily into photography,. I couldn't justify the price of the a7rv nor do i need all those megapixels, or AI autofocus. Coming from the time when I had to manually move the focus point , I mean how much help do people really need autofocusing??? Great video, I've been watching and learning from you for a very long time, you are and continue to be an inspiration to us all. Thank you!
I need all the AF I can get!
Good commentary that I agree with, Manny. I sold my a1, made some coin and bought an a7r4a body - happy as can be! Keep up the good work...
The A7RIII was years ahead of it's time. The sensor is still the highest rated of any Sony cameras for image quality and it's great in low light and even night photography. It lacks the bells and whistles of more recent models but it's a workhorse that is as solid as any other mirrorless cameras, much less Sony cameras.
Thanks Manny. I've been looking for a comparison between the A7RV and the A7RIII. All the comparison videos compare the A7RV to the A7RIV. This has been very helpful. I think I'll stick with my A7RIII for now.
I miss that “ker-chunk”! shutter. A car crash that made beautiful photos.
Really appreciate seeing a review of the Sony line of cameras that isn't just trying to shill the latest newest most expensive camera. I agree with a lot of other people that I feel like there was a significant upgrade between the II and the III though I can't 100% put my finger on it. It may simply be the color processing that improved. I just got the IV but haven't shot with it yet but honestly am not expecting too much. I totally agree that its a shame that smartphone quality screens aren't being put on the backs of these cameras. Ultimately, I've found the biggest improvement to my photography since starting with the Sony a7 has been getting better glass and using primes when possible
I agree that glass>bodies so pick your body based on who has the glass you plan to get, or already have. Rather than just making BSI more common in all tiers of bodies, for me at least, a jump in low light performance is the thing that would make me think about a body update, even if the MP count dropped down to the original R's 36.
I mean the regular a7IV has a 33mp sensor, so that’s always an option if you want higher MP than normal 24 mp cameras and better lowlight system tHan the 60mp A7RV.
@Rebel Hikes: having jumped from A7M2 I am not bothered all that much by the articulating screen. It is certainly more useful when paired with a battery grip. Does it take slightly more effort to start using? Yes. But it also helps me take better pictures and stabilize the camera better. Luckily, it seems like we can have the best of both worlds now. I hope Sony will only use the hybrid hinge setup from now.
The next big step will come eventually, but both two-layer transistor and SPAD (single photon avalanche detection) sensors are still years away for full frame cameras unfortunately.
I shot with the a7rv this weekend and holy hell I was blown away with the autofocus. Huge improvement. I never pull the screen out so that means nothing to me.
However the image quality is exactly the same as my a7riv, I saw no difference whatsoever. It is nice having every single shot nail focus though, that is an awesome improvement.
I am really disappointed they stayed with the same sensor, why not make a jump in megapixels? Anyone that thinks megapixels don’t make a difference needs to watch Matt grangers hasselblad x2d vs Nikon video…the difference is comically huge.
Thank you for not settling Sony couldve easily done better but they’re too busy listening to photographers that are afraid to slow down their workflow
I used one at the weekend....autofocus and tracking especially for eye/face was vastly improved also the colours seemed better. This is a mainly stills camera in my eyes, im not interested in the frames a second or video or i would get the A1.
@@mikeleighton9891 I always use manual white balance didn’t notice much of a difference. Are your talking about auto white balance or actual color in general? I didn’t notice any difference but I was in a total different environment than normal
Beautiful Golf R!! Need a photo shoot with it!!
I started with the A7Rii. Amazing. Then got the A7Riii. Totally happy. I got a A7 converted to infrared and was surprised how great that camera was.
Great video as you've put out for all these years! So many Canon people left the system before the 5D IV and 1DX2 came out. Those cameras upped the IQ to Sony levels even before the R cams came out. In fact the 5D IV was heaps better than the EOS R despite having the same sensor. The R5 and R6/II are slightly better, but the 5D IV still holds it's own for IQ (but the AF is mediocre at best). I remember a few of my friends getting the original Sony cams and though they couldn't support my work, they did seem like cool "toys" to me 10 years ago. LOL.
For low light I suggest trying DXO PureRaw2. This is a game changer pre-raw converter/noise reduction software unlike anything I've tried in 18 years. I already shoot ISO12800 without a second thought on the R6 II but this software makes it next level (though I've only tried on R6 as the R6 II isn't supported yet).
The bad design and bad LCDs are the reason after 18 years shooting Canon (and selling my gear during the lockdowns) I didn't go with Sony. I tried the A7IV but that LCD seemed so dated and the day to day user experience is at least as important to me as IQ. I ended up getting the R6 II instead, for less money (some great xmas sales for Canon) and I got full frame 4K and a nicer user experience. The 24 MP on this camera are crazy sharp (some say super weak AA filter) and upscale well and can actually be more detailed than the A7IV at 33 MP. I also got EF lenses and adapted them (Sigma Art lenses) and they are spectacular. The 50mm Art is about as sharp as the RF50 1.2 (arguably the sharpest 50mm you can buy), the AF is actually faster (the RF mount adapted with EF lenses actually improves AF speed vs native on DSLRs... Sony nor Nikon can make this claim with adapted lenses) and it's smaller. And the lens is 3x cheaper.
I don't think you can get a 50mm 1.4 lens of this quality for the Sony system at this price. So while the lack of RF third party lenses does suck, it's not the end of the world on the RF system.
The canon r6ii photos are mediocre at best. The a7riii is a much better photo camera.
I’m with Sony bro
4:29 I actually preferred the A7R image 😂
This is the reason I kept my OG a7r3 and went with a S3 for video
Man.. you give a lot effort for this video..
Awesome video man. I feel like we all get caught up in having the latest and greatest even though what we currently have is more than enough. This is coming from someone who just upgraded from the Sony A7Riii to the A7RV. I really agree with you that aside from a few upgrades when it comes to images they are all still very good.
I use to use your same mic, biggest regret is selling it off to pay bills. The self noise bothered me but nothing I couldn't technically edit out. With your great audio tone I regret even more selling it again.
Perfect timing on this video I have the A7R I wanted to retire it and get the 4 but I’ll go for the 3
my left ear really enjoyed this video
What's up my friend. Just got a Sony A7iv and the main reason is the 3rd party lenses are more affordable. The body to me is to small for my hands so I got a smallrig cage to make it perfect. Canon and Nikon have been in this game for a while and in the future Sony needs to step up there game. And I feel that the right canon camera could have you switching your main camera of choice. If I had the money I would have rather had the canon but body and 20-70 lens to start would have cost me over 5000 dollars since they only have the RF mount available.
Topic A7RV but used an A1 car salesman tactics. Good topic. Please actually use the actual camera you titled.
Still watch your channel though
A7r3 TEAM! 💪🏾💪🏾
As someone who jumped on since the Sony NEX-5N (then NEX-7, then a7), I've noticed the drastic innovations Sony has made in each body. Yet, I totally agree & have been saying for years that I want more dynamic range ... of course, I get trolled by Sony fanboys that the dynamic range is already too good. I beg to differ.
Here's my question. Is the current 15 stops of dynamic range directly or inversely related/proportional to the megapixels? In other words, does more or less megapixels mean more dynamic range?
Great video Manny 🥰
Sony is always stubbornly. They never make the top OLED screen for the parameters same like Nikon Z6/7/9 series and Canon R5 R3. That's the reason I never use Sony.
Because those are a 100% useless nowadays.
Can't wait to be able to afford this camera in another 9 years.
😅
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting to see. I’m a slow, walk around photographer. I don’t need AI autofocus, although I think it’s cool. Flowers and landscapes don’t have faces or pose any sort of way. So a camera like the a7ii would be a great upgrade from the crop sensor Canon Rebel that we all started out on.
Proof that you don’t have to upgrade as often as some UA-camrs and camera manufacturers suggest.
This is why I'm still rocking the A7III. It does everything i need it to do
As a Canon shooter who happens to own the A7Rii, I find Sony menus cluttered and hard to comprehend. So:
1. Did the menu system get better?
2. What are you using to make that lightning effect in the bg?
3. Please tell Kayla I said “heyyyyy”
Have to say that I prefer Sony A7R color science compared to Sony A1...
I bought A7R3 a few months ago and I am very happy. Excellent camera at a good price. In addition, it is still under warranty
Great comparison video, Manny!
I'm considering the A7RV in large measure because of the significantly improved IBIS and AF, plus other evolutionary tweaks to the user experience such as the new 4-axis LCD mechanism and viewfinder. My hesitancy about the A7RV is its price (too high). I also have the A7RII, A7IV and A7III. The A7RV would give me additional resolution which is desirable to me, including for cropping purposes. The A7RV would extend the range of sensor resolutions I currently have.
I own the A7R, got it for $350, think it's an absolute steal and really overlooked. Very relevant still for landscape photography.
I'm still shooting with the same sensor from the A7Rii and A7Riii, in the A99ii. I'm happy if the actual image quality doesn't get any better, as I think the quality it produces is outstanding. I haven't upgraded yet because of cost and ergonomics, as the A99ii still feels so much better than the mirrorless, although the A7Rv is not bad at all (I have pretty big hands). We are well past the point of image quality, it's now down to everything else that goes into the process to make shooting better and easier.
I jumped onto A7R from my NEX-3 on the release date. Still using it today.
However, I will probably jump to A7iv instead of A7R#...... 36MP is sufficient and I now see AF the higher priority, right behind $$....
Nice overview! The NP-FZ100 battery would be where I'd personally make a cutoff of considering one of the Sony full-frame cameras. Though, even then the previous ones are just fine like a lot of cameras for a good long while.
a9 and a7r3 are still the ones to beat.
This is why i am keeping my Canon R5 and only adding lenses from now on. I have the RF 24-70 and RF 100mm macro, next lens will be the RF 70-200 and whatever wide angle zoom they come out with (Canon needs a RF 11-24 f2 lens!)
Great vid Manny
Next sensor tech leap will be global shutter sensors and shutterless cameras.
Great video. This was very useful.
Excellent video!
@Manny ortiz I strongly recommend you to take the old canon 5dsr for a test. this is a fantastic camera, with a very serious picture, which is even better in depth than the R5.
If you want to understand the diminishing returns of sensor technology, research the diffraction limits of different censor formats in relation to lens aperture.
I did this after studying why my photos weren't getting better with 61 mpx. It led me to adapting MF lenses on my FF camera and shooting below f/5.6.. this actually gave me the improvement I sought but it was such a pain to work with that I returned the camera.
For professional work it might be worth the struggle... But it was way too much trouble for non paid work.
I would say Sony A1 still has Sony’s best sensor technology
Yeah man, let's push sony to make better screens and to keep updating the flagships SIII and A1.
Well said. Let’s hope Sony listen
Would you rather buy a used A7Riii for 1400€ or a used A7iv for 1900€ ? Will be used with the 24mm GM for general family/vacation kind of fotos.
Just glad to see you drive a MK 7!
I get new camera envy often but when I delve into it, hard to replace my a9 as my do everything camera. Nothing blows it away yet in my opinion.
Agreed. The A9 is a workhorse.
@Rebel Hikeswasn't early but picked mine up used as an upgrade from A7 ii, that felt like a tue upgrade.
Wow beautiful device I wish I could afford one
I've had three of these cameras and the differences would be more obvious to you if ya shot outside the studio or beyond portraits. The way in which they became more multifaceted for multimedia purposes is quite obvious put him on a gimbal or shoulder rig or shooting fashion runway, festivals nightclubs etc.
I now have the A7RV, guys and the difference is absolutely obvious if you're a video shooter or run n gum photog, shooting live events or doing journalism it is way more reliable than the A7IV
I just came back from a trip to Bangladesh. Shot everything with a Fujifilm x-t20 and x100f (for a book and expo) and left my Sony A74 and A73 at home. My clients haven't noticed it at all ;-)
Still rocking the a7r2 since I haven't seen a camera that's given a fundamental leap in quality to be worth upgrading since the 2. The handling and battery improvements in the newer cameras are nice, but not THOUSANDS of dollars nicer, especially since I don't regularly shoot weddings or videos anymore (I can always rent for the few times I do)
Same here! I have found NO reason to upgrade from my A7RII. Paired with my 24mm GMaster, I’ve gotten some of the most stunning images
I tried a Sony camera and when walking down the street my settings would change as the lcd banged into my body. Th3 battery would lose its charge super rapidly just sitting there. After that I sold it and went back to Nikon. The Nikon I have now doesn’t do that and the battery lasts for a very long time. I am not a pro but that’s my opinion.
Image quality really hasn't changed since DSLR's....
Great stuff
Image quality is very good now. People are switching for numbers and features they don’t even use. The autofocus system was a reason to buy but now Canon and Sony have excellent AF. If you are’t getting good images today it might be the photographer.
Good video Manny, I always wondered about the basic image quality over the years.
When you think about it , the sensors still work in much the same way, just later models sensirs have some extra functions added on.
The main gripes for me on my trusty A73 have been pretty much the most common complaints with Sony mirrorless over the years i think.
The less than user friendly menu system.
The less than user friendly touch screen functionality .
And as mentioned the quality of the rear screen and maybe even the brightness in sunlight was pretty average.
The grip for me as I have large ish hands does feel a tad cramped between the lens and the grip , but not a deal breaker , as you adapt to these things.
Good to see sony finally addressing some of these issues in recent models.
As far as the body being almost unchanged for some years , that does have some good points , for example , a lot of accessories for the Sony A series have been interchangeable between models, so that is a good thing.
I still love my old A7.
I agree with your thoughts on technology improvements and AI making photography more sterile. I actually saw a pro on the sidelines of a football game shooting with his cell phone. I am no pro, but under the right conditions, I find myself envious of the people that have the high end cell phones. For quick, well lit close shots, it's tough to beat, although I still get better images with my ILC and a good prime. May be my imagination, but I think people are less intimidated when you point a cell phone at them than they are with an ILC. I have adopted your LCD style of shooting when possible. I think people are less intimidated by that as well, and it makes it easier to hand the camera to a novice to take some shots. Thank you for all you do for us.
As a long time Sony shooter, I would say the one item most in need of an upgrade from Sony is the camera body itself. Why Sony is still stubbornly sticking to this ergonomically and durability inferior body blows my mind. I believe they could simply upgrade this one item, and drastically increase sales across their lineup. Imagine if Sony developed an entirely new body similar to Canon, Nikon, or even Hasselblad. I believe this is the main issue preventing Sony from completely taking over the market. This video proves how little Sony has innovated in this department since 2013.
I agree. I hope they improve the body to make it more comfortable to hold
@@MannyOrtiz - Exactly! I use the battery grip on my A1 simply because it is more comfortable to hold.
I think they keep it that way because they think it looks more "simplistic" and "modern" than traditional hand grips, but I think I can speak for most shooters here that we care more about a more comfy tool for taking nice pictures than a nice looking camera body lol
@@swegmastur614 it’s a matter of taste of course but IMHO Sony cameras do not look prettier than a canon or nikon body. Less traditional for sure but I prefer those ruberised bodies. And still I probably gonna get an a7r5. Tired being with the underdog. Fuji I meant 😁. We want same autofocus performance in video and still Fuji !!!!
I personally love the body tbh
You can get stacked BSI at “mid-tier” pricing now - the Fujifilm X-H2S.
The Nikon d3 610 FXa 750FX IS. AS. GOD. HIGH QUALITY. OF. THE. SONY A7-4 FACT'S 😭🚨😭😭😘😘😘. D750 NIKON. EQUALS. SONY A-4
Love this, definitely have to agree with the jumps between the R-R3 made upgrading feel worthwhile. Still have my R3 and love the balance it has and the video is good enough for general use. Love love love your analysis of this and glad you parted ways in the Sony artisans program but sad I wasn’t able to meet you when doing my sales training for Sony while you were in it.
Great commentary. Love my A7r3. Another unsung hero of the lineup is the original A9 - still a seriously great all-around camera. It's fast, has wonderful image quality, no rolling shutter, and that great mid-sized grip of the 3rd gen Sony system. And since you rarely need the mechanical shutter on the A9, even well-used ones on ebay have low shutter counts, and years of life left in them. My A9 and A7R3 complement each other beautifully.
Which would you pic for video: a9 or a7siii?
@@M3mphislov3r I don't actually shoot a lot of video, so I can't say.
@@M3mphislov3r I did a bit of checking to better answer your question, and I did confirm that while both cameras will shoot 4k/30fps, only the A9 will give you full frame, while the R3 has a significant crop (which bit me a couple of times). Like I said, I don't shoot much video, but I would think the A9 would be the better choice just based on that.
Hi James, I have an a9 and a7R lll as well. I couldn't agree more with your thoughts and assessment. Still extraordinary cameras in 2022 that I use frequently.
What do you mean by "you rarely need the mechanical shutter on the A9" ?
Not the promised comparison He says he can't open up the raw files on the a7rV yet. And uses another camera
I have had a Canon EOS 7D for almost a decade now and two years ago I decided to switch to new camera because there are a lot of bad pixels on the sensor. I bought and returned GH5, a6600 and even Canon R. Why? Because the price to improvement of image quality was too little to justify switching. Unfortunately I had to buy something and at the end I went with Fuji XT-4 because it had everything I wanted and I fell in love with the dials and fuji color sience. The image quality isn't much better and if I had to go only with the image quality I would not buy anything though
The Sony A1 makes the A7R series feel a little redundant. 61MP is only 20% more resolution than 50 and the speed of the A1 makes it so much more versatile. And at 5500 vs 3900, you don't get THAT much of a cost savings either. Maybe there's a bit too much diversification in Sony's FF camera range now with the A7 IV at 2500, A7R V at 3900, A7S III at 3500. But the latter two just don't do reasonably more than the base A7 IV and you just get more value with the A1 as well.
Glass and technique are always the best way to improve image quality
If I could give constructive criticism on the video - I’m not sure you really did much to answer the main question the video was trying to answer. You kind of just did one test and even did it with a different camera and made an entire conclusion (then only mentioned low light improvement but didn’t show it). Plus the rest of the video was I guess a review of the camera? I’m not sure what the whole second half of the video was supposed to be about.
It would be great to see a follow up video that did some more tests and showed more results.
I hope this helps vs just sounding like complaining.
yo car mad stance
lit af bro
I’m still using the Sony A7R
How do you set it when shooting a music video
@@officialvanky9272 I don’t shoot video on it hhahahaa photography by itself is so difficult! We’re talking about a camera with absolutely no IBIS.
As long as you can get consistently sharp photos then the difference between 42 or 61 megapixels is not as important as the ability to track what you need with reliable auto focus.
Manny great lighting in your videos!!! The A7R3 is still my go to for photoshoots!!!
Nice. I am still using the original A7R (with Minolta lenses and manual lenses) and the NEX7 APSC mainly for macro.
Low light capibility between the two. Which one better.
Picked up an A7Rii when it first came out. Been researching a replacement over the last two versions and just can’t justify it.
Even for video it still does everything I need and looks great. Maybe I’m used to it’s short comings but the ROI just isn’t there for me.
100%
Got my a7rii used for cheap
So froknowsphone jared polin was right is about glass glass upgrade than cameras.
the only competition was the nikon? what about the pentax k1??????????
I have exactly the same opinion. I never cease to be amazed by the words of the ambassadors, who describe older versions as semi-professional or amateur, while three years ago they praised it as a great professional camera :-). I still have an A7r ii and iii foir my work. After trying the fourth generation, I didn't notice much of a shift and didn't feel the need to change. I'd rather save the money and get better glass
What would you suggest to enter full frame (on budget) for photography mostly, not video .. A7Rii or better go for Riii? Was also thinking about 7ii or 7iii (not R) series.
@@dasIDS a7rii is really good option, when you want also use crop mode or need really high resolution. You will need more batteries and shoot lowlight on high iso on crop mode. A7iii is for the beginers perfect and you can buy used for low price (probably best choice for you). a7ii is too AF slow..
@@jamesssten TY!
How can image quality get better really from there sensors? I think they unlocked top quality a long time ago and others just needed to catch up, which took what? 10 years? I'm still a nikon shooter, but I respect what Sony has done.
I like your video, but sometimes there are some really weird pauses mid sentence. Why?
Photography is a new hobby for me. I have a A7r because you can get an incredibly capable camera and amazing lenses for very little. As your hobby grows and you start hitting the limits of a 10 year old camera you only need to upgrade the body. Also the size is very positive because it feels less obvious. This helps build your confidence.