So why go to Miami? Why go back to Cleveland with Kyrie and recruit Love? Why go to LA and recruit AD and Westbrook? Draymond is delusional. He certified his silliness when he said he could guard Shaq.
🔥 I remember the years before Pippen came into his own there where articles and interviews talked about how Jordan helped and worked on Pippen's game during those earlier summers.
Are you that dense dude. How is what you’re claiming any different than skip bayless being a retard for 15 years and having the worst most biased takes ever? Hell, he’s probably the reason all of you guys even still like Jordan that much, cuz bro would never shut tf up about him
Lebron literally makes everyone that plays around him have to conform to a shell of themselves so he can dominate the ball, stat chase & get credit for wins & point blame for loses. Draymond is a moron. Scottie Pippen ends up anywhere other than Chicago next to MJ & at best he's a mid tier All-Star who never wins anything!!!! Meanwhile, LeGM ONLY chases/adds players that are already established & accomplished in their own right.
@@scott783 PIP HAD 4 SPINAL SURGERY. ARE U 5 YEARS OLD ? SHALL IN BLAZERS ? U MEAN WHEN TIM DONAGHY REF ADMIT HE RIGGED RING AND THAT PIPPEN IS CHAMPION JUST LIKE WEBBER DIVAC STOJAKOVIC ARE BUT VEGAS FIX BY REFS THOSE YEARS IN PLAYOFF SO PIPPEN AND DIVAC SHOULD BE CHAMPIONS WITH PORTLAND AND SACRAMENTO.
Jordan had no control of who came into the team he elevated them to his level was the team leader like he said in last dance "i never asked my teammates for anything i didn't do" ..... LeBronze builds teams around himself then when they flop or get KO in playoffs he blames everyone but hisself #MJ23 👑
It comes from the idea that LeBron passes-Kobe and MJ are ball hogs so making teammates better means other guys would rather play with the one who passes. I honestly think guys that have the whole game plan run through them, the LeBrons, the Luka, the Hardens, etc are worst to play with. They render you a spot up shooter and or cutter. And when they have to share and let you work? They are worthless and stand around with little to no off ball movement. Compare that to Jordan relentlessly moving off ball to get open -just like Steph, Bird, Reggie, Rip, Ray Allen or constantly working to get post positioning. High assists per game does not equal making teammates better. Steve Nash's assists are not equal to Westbrooks just like Magics are not equal to LeBrons. Hell even Birds are not equal to LeBron. Bird would be the way better teammate than LeBron or Luka to play with if you want opportunities to shine in all areas-not just as a spot up shooter and cutter. And for that matter Westbrook's rebounds are not equal to say Kidd's. Russ's were fabricated with everyone boxing out just for him to stat pad and he led the league in uncontested reb. and he also would leave his man open just to go chase a potential board. Kidd's were in game naturally as a very good rebounder for his size and position, but yes he was also trying to start the break asap after possession.
@@zaytowven1apparently he does according to these clowns 🤡 Love and Bosh took the biggest hit when they teamed up with Lebron. How does Love go from averaging 24/12 to 16/9 plus he had the 3rd highest PER the year prior, only to KD who won MVP and Lebron. These dudes need to stop
Tell me how it's false though. He made boobie gibson, illzaukus look good. And moe Williams an all star. Kyrie had his best years w lebron... where is the lie??
He has no respect for curry or any other teammate he has or the organization. He sees them beneath him and they try to save face by making him the ‘enforcer’
Very true, im just saying steph literally changed the way the NBA is played and he steph and klay have as many rings as lebron, 4,..... Why talk about a rival so much?
Klutch and Lebron is trying to burn down the history of the NBA, so people can't compare his era to past eras. If you forget everything that came before, then Lebron is the GOAT.
@@shorewall He is never going to be the goat. The Lakers are in trouble he is trying to be the best Olympian that's sad. These dudes shouldn't even be on the team. The Olympic team is promoting him I steady of the NBA it's trashy.
LeBron’s fans are still talking about Michael freakin’ Jordan? The dude has been retired for 21 LONG YEARS, and Mike Jeff Jordan retired from the Chicago Bulls 26 years ago, yet even the opps can’t stop talking about (and indirectly worshipping) The GOAT - Michael Jordan. LeBron fan channels upload videos daily of entire Michael Jordan NBA basketball games from 1988, just to count his steals and discuss his dominance today, Nick Wright will do a whole topic on Michael Jordan tomorrow, and next week, Shannon Sharpe will retell his elevator story about the aura that seemingly surrounded a seemingly floating Michael Jordan that first time that he saw in-person the greatest basketball player/greatest sports athlete in human history(Michael Jordan). And when perhaps the greatest afterthought in American sports history - LeBron James retires, we will await the next GOAT Debates of: Michael Jordan vs Victor Wembanyama, Michael Jordan vs Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan vs Luka Doncic, Michael Jordan vs Nikola Jokic, Michael Jordan vs Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michael Jordan vs Ja Morant, Michael Jordan vs Donovan Mitchell, Michael Jordan vs Jason Tatum, Michael Jordan vs Jaylen Brown, et cetera, et cetera. And if you think that this won’t be the future reality, then you my friend are in the fringe minority, which we all describe as “DELUSIONAL”…..and we already ignore and dismiss you few people who are in the “delusional minority” and get used to it because we will DEFINITELY ignore and dismiss you all when LeBron James finally gives up his UNSUCCESSFUL chase of Michael Jordan to FINALLY retire.
I really can't wait for LeBozo's flip flop circus to get out of town, so my Lakers can try and regain that pride and dignity of previous era's. What an embarrassment hanging an in-season tournament banner.😂😂😂 that's why he needs his damn respect too.
🔥 I remember the years before Pippen came into his own there where articles and interviews talked about how Jordan helped and worked on Pippen's game during those earlier summers.
That Draymond sound bite shows why LeBalco isn’t close to the “goat convo” let alone actual debate - even his paid propagandists cannot make ANY coherent argument for LeBalco.
I'm really sick of the disrespect of guys like MJ and Larry Bird coming from these fanboys. If your guy was that good you wouldn't need to tear down ABSOLUTE LEGENDS to try and make him look better
This channel & viewers/subscribers like yourself tear down Lebron James daily. Literally dozens of Lebron James hate channels. Where are the MJ hate channels? Always makes me laugh hearing Jordan fans crying about "tearing down other players" when they just tear down Lebron every single day. Hypocrites is too kind a word for you guys.
@@Reaper13-hi3yothis is a fact based argument disputing something Draymond Green said. Not just non-sense like “Jordan just made guys better bc he was there”.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr Wilt and Bill both demolished any potential MJ claim to be the undisputed GOAT in person. Not that MJ has ever, to my knowledge, EVER made that claim. Both are on camera - Wilt at the 50 Year Team function (easy to find), Bill in an interview pointing out that MJ doesn't win 6 rings in Bill's era because at least one game winner MJ's Bulls needed didn't happen because there weren't enough openings on the team for that role player to MAKE the team (harder to find).
He makes losers into winners ...ad , k love, Kyrie , bosh , and all those role players go from barely sniffing the playoffs to making deep playoff runs .
@@12savage68 CARUSO AND AUSTIN REAVES GOT HIGHEST CONTRACT BECAUSE OF BRON. JORDAN RUIINED BEST SCORER IN NBA STACKHOUSE, HUGHES HAMILTON AND 1ST PICK KWAME. NOT TO MENTION 16 YEARS IN HORNETS NEVER SEE PLAYOFF RUINED EVERY DRAFT PICKS. BRON HAVE MISTAKES BUT MAKE MANY PPL BETTER FOR EXAMPLE CARUSO AND REAVES WERE LOW RATING GUYS.
@@michaelperez3720 as i said Bron gave many ppl big contracts. Jordan ruined best scorer in NBA Stackhouse, Hughes and Hamilton. After they left Jerry went to finals with Dallas, RIP won finals and Bron carry Hughes to finals. Jordan is nobody. Selfish ppl dont makes others better. Pippen made Armstrong and Horace Grant allstars when MJ retired thats their only games in career.
The thing that drives me insane about the "LeBron makes everyone better" narrative is I have never heard anyone give a specific example it's always generalities. With Jordan you have Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Paxson not all skill wise obviously, but gave them a mental toughness to succeed. LeBron has destroyed Bosh and Love, tried ruining Kyrie and dang near gave Tyron Lue a heart attack
Jordan turned Pippen into a 10x All-Defender / stls champ that began whats known as the point forward position; a forward facilitating the offense... LeBron hasnt done anything of the such
@@gggyy7104 S-tier 🍒 scratcher is back will you look at that. Pippen "best year" w/o Jordan was when he took a previous dynasty to a mere 2nd rd exit as a disgustingly inefficient 21ppg scorer. He averaged 6ppg /4rpg his rookie year & didn't qualify as an All-Star until his 3rd season (1990) & as a starter until his 5th yr (1992). In only 4/6 the Bulls won the title Pippen qualified as an All-Star. W/o MJ would've been a mid-tier 1-2x All-Star with 0 titles. You would've never heard of Pippen's name
What about MJ fans lying about how great Kevin Love & Chris Bosh were in Minnesota & Toronto respectively, using their regular season numbers for franchises that never made the playoffs (Kevin Love) & never made it past the 1st round (Bosh) with them? Do gaudy numbers on bad teams make a player a super star? Or were those two specifically perfect #3's on a championship team? It is the latter clearly. No one cares about inflated numbers on a bad team, that doesnt make you a super star.
@@Reaper13-hi3yoso by your logic. Lebron getting to the finals, in the easiest eastern conference there ever was, wasnt impressive back in 2007. ESPECIALLY since his ass got swept. And his stats are inflated because aside from all the superteams he has been on, every team is crap. 🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣 lebron fans are delusional as fuck and don't even know how hypocritical they are with their comments
Lebron absolutely made Kyrie, Rondo and Dwight better. Dwight literally resurged his career playing with Lebron. Ray was 37 so obviously he wasn't going to get better
@@gggyy7104what? Dwight brought the Magic to the finals. Kyrie was better statistically after Cavs. Rondo was a champion before he joined the Lakers. What are you talking about.
@@wearehumans1693 Is your IQ in the single digits or are you just trolling? Dwight Howard was OUT OF THE LEAGUE before he signed with the Lakers. He played 9 games in 2019 and was TERRIBLE. Then he played with Lebron, was one of the best 6th men in the NBA, helped defend Jokic and won a championship. How is that not getting better? I’m not sure how the Magic are relevant in this discussion AT ALL. Like you’re literally talking about something completely different. Same goes with Rondo. Literally was bouncing from team to team because nobody wanted him. Kyrie “statistically” led his team to absolutely NOTHING without Lebron. Quit on the Celtics and Nets, the Celtics played better and made the ECF WITHOUT him, and he hurt the Nets with all his off court stuff and injuries. Then he plays with a Lebron-type player in Luka, and guess what, makes the finals again. And oh yeah shits the bed in the finals against Boston
he made them better by *_DRIVE AND KICK_* and take the damn shot. Rinse and repeat. he made them LOOK better in STAT SHEET ONLY, not in reality. like the stat padder that he is.
You could even say it was over after 2007, a competitive series throughout that concluded in a sweep but 2011 was just a cataclysmic failure and put the nail on the coffin of the debate
2007 cavs would have gotten nowhere in the west. It's not LeBrons fault that the east was so bad that Cavs somehow made itto the finals. This is also the reason why people shouldn't give LeBron credit for his number of finals appearences.
And yet with all these “claims” about Bronny Sr he still has 4 championships (giving benefit for the bubble). 6 losses and not just losses, there were beatdowns in those 6. Manhandled by Jason Terry and JJ Barea. I guess you could count that as making players better. Those 2 were not house hold names. Mr Triple Single has been trying to please Bronny Sr for years now. Anything that comes out of his mouth is usually BS. I like Mechy when he does voiceovers of him. The donkey braying.
and here is another thing, he is a ray allen shot and Irving shot away from being 2-8. And the heat team he beat, Duncan Robinson was the second best player on the team. This guy's career is a fabricated joke
@@johnnyblaze9206 there is no coming back from that dallas loss. The clown barely averaged 17 points in the series? And Dallas is not considered a historically great team. The league was desperate to have someone continue the chain. It was Erving and Kareem in the 70's, Bird and Magic saved the 80's and Jordan emerged, Jordan in the 90's, Bryant in the 2000's, and the nba picked Le Barbie for the 2010's. Wrong pick!
hey hey, you see how you are showing clearly how LeFraud indeed made his teammates look better, we was so damn shit in those finals that made literal bench warmers look like all time HOF he did make them look better :D
People forget that Jordan had the the most difficult player to play with in Dennis Rodman. With Rodman they got to win 3 chips. DAvid Robindon couldnt handle him
@@Reaper13-hi3yo "Rodman who led the league in rebounding" - Despite THAT, Spurs traded Rodman for a BENCH player! That is how big of a problem Rodman is before playing with MJ and Coach Phil. Other teams can offer a BETTER trade but they do NOT WANT THAT PROBLEM!
The fact he intentionally tried to make his team better and still couldn't do it better than the guy who was just playing is actually sad. Not to mention he flat out lying, stat padding your ast doesn't mean your making anyone better lol
I sure have seen how guys like Bosh and Love played after LeBron made them "better" compared to before. You're not making anyone better when everyone has to change their game to have it tailor-made for you
Draymond is already thinking of retirement plans, and he's already be-friend LeBron. They're in business together, so he sees it as a advantagous avenue.
@@Reaper13-hi3yo Why that analyst claiming that MJ`s steal was inflated intentionally selected six games to jump to that conclusion? Obviously he had an agenda to fit his argument. Talk about pathetic in order to elevate his boy Lebron.
Draymond is a clear example of these lebron fans think. Its crazy how he fails to realize how many players (mostly top 75 players) had to diminish their game to uplift his. Which is why kyrie left back in 2017.
Ah yes, LBJ should have taken down the Boston Big 3 with Mo Williams, Delonte West & 33 year old Big Z. Jordan should have won just one playoff series without Scottie Pippen on the roster in a 15 season career.
@@Reaper13-hi3yo Didn't they have the best record in the league 2 years in a row? If they were so bad how did they outperform the teams they lost to in the playoffs during the regular season?
@@sirfrescobar4830 ... because of Lebron James smh.. you really think those 66 wins are due to Mo Williams (17 ppg), Delonte West (11 ppg) and old Big Z (12 ppg)? Give it up you guys, some of these narratives are so nonsensical
I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but.. please tell me Draymond IS on drugs. I could totally understand then, but if he's sober saying bs like that.. maybe.. its time to retire... His mouth.
If players suck after you leave then you didn't actually make them better. You put them in position to succeed. The Bulls (plus Kukoc and Kerr) winning over 50 games without him it's used as a negative, but when you actually make your teammates better they can play whether or not you're on the floor.
Dray has no idea what he is talking about, we have documented evidence of Jordan intentionally making those around him better. Bron has not intentionally made those around him better. Nearly everyone he’s brought on to his teams have seen their numbers drop in order to accommodate to the Lebron centered offense. He’s made players and coaches worse.
How does one document evidence of Jordan intentionally making someone better? Because in 1994 without Jordan & just a rookie Kukoc, Chicago won 55 games & a playoff series without him. Scottie was top 3 in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were 1st time All Stars. So MJ who wasnt there, for a roster that had 3 other All Stars, he supposedly intentionally made them better/talented? See how foolish these narratives are when confronted with facts.
@@Reaper13-hi3yodo you seriously think a team that just 3 peated and added additional pieces should be a tanking team the following year? Can you tell me how the bulls were doing the following year before Jordan returned?
There is footage of their practices. Players own personal testimonies. Winning Championships. I agree that 1994 Bulls team excelled in both record and players individual stats without Jordan. It was Pippen’s, Grant’s and Armstrong’s best season. Regular season accolades are good and all but if you don’t win a ring it don’t mean a thing. They fell short of winning a championship in ECSF against the Knicks. This series exposed the lack of leadership from Pippen. Especially in game 3 with the Bulls down in the series 0-2 it was a must win game . He couldn’t play Mason one on one to take the last shot. He missed his shot off the glass. Next play that was drawn up was for Kukoc to take the last shot with Pippen being used as a decoy. In protest Pippen benched himself. This showed his team that he is not that guy. No one on the 1994 Bulls team was that guy. Sure Kukoc was clutch but, no one who can truly lead and inspire the team to play better-as in winning a Championship better. The following year they were barely hanging around. 500. Yes, Grant left to Orlando for more money. Cartwright left in FA but he was pretty old at this point, hence why Krause traded for Longly the previous year. But still most of players from the previous year were still there and they also acquired Ron Harper. But, yeah 1994-95 were a team barely hanging around .500, then you have Pippen fighting with the front office and Krause wanting to trade him. Jordan comes back in injects new life into the team. He wasn’t in full basketball shape as he trained for the past 2 years to be a baseball player, but even that Mike was able to make his team better, going 13-4 when he joined the team but eventually losing in the ECSF to the Orlando Magic and then coming back the next year going 72-10 and sweeping the Magic and winning another title, and another after that and another that.
@@shoestringundertakings I think that is about as fair & accurate a description of it I have seen from a MJ fan. I do understand they werent nearly as good as they were with Jordan, I just think that 94 season proved there was a solid baseline of a roster/talent in place.
Here's the link Draymond is not seeing. Steve Kerr played with MJ. MJ gives Kerr his big moment when making that big shot from MJ pass in the finals. Kerr becomes Warriors coach and wins 4x rings. You think part of that doesn't come from Kerr's time playing with MJ? Just by association, Draymond championships are tied to MJ
TWO Michaels are the greatest athletes of their respective ERAS/Centuries as told by LeSPN (the Number #1 media platform for pandering to LeBron James and this fake Goat debate) - ESPN ranked the Top 100 professional athletes since 2000 aka the Top 100 pro-athletes of the first 24 years of the 21st Century: 1) Michael Phelps, 2) Serena Williams, 3) Lionel Messi, 4) LEBRON JAMES at only NUMBER 4, 5) Tom Brady, 6) Roger Federer, 7) Simone Biles, 8) Tiger Woods, 9) Usain Bolt, 10) Kobe Bryant. HOWEVER, when ESPN ranked the Top 100 professional athletes since 1900 to 2000 aka the Top 100 pro-athletes of the ENTIRE 100 years (the WHOLE Century)of the 20st Century: 1) MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN easily won the #1 SPOT, 2) Babe Ruth, 3) Muhammad Ali, 4) Jim Brown, 5) Wayne Gretzky, 6) Jesse Owens, 7) Jim Thorpe, 8) Willie Mays, 9) Jack Nicklaus, 10) Babe Didrikson, 11) Joe Louis, 12) Carl Lewis, 13) Wilt Chamberlain, 14) Hank Aaron, 15) Jackie Robinson, 16) Ted Williams, 17) Magic Johnson, 18) Bill Russell. So Michael Jordan is the #1 GOAT of the whole 20th Century, and LeBron James is only the #4 Player of the 21st Century. ESPN got this one right all the way. Nobody was a better athlete than Michael Jordan because Michael Jordan was better than everybody. Look at the distance between LeBron James and the VERY next basketball player (Kobe Bryant) in their era, and look at the distance between Michael Jordan and the VERY next basketball player (Wilt Chamberlain) in their era. There are 5 athletes between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant in their era, and there are 11 people between Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain in their era. The distance between Michael Jordan and whoever you have at #2, in regards to professional basketball, is the distance between Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain on this ESPN list. Case closed. GAME OVER!!!
Kevin Love was a rebounding machine and a force in the paint as a borderline MVP candidate with Minnesota. After teaming up with Lebron, he became a spot up shooter from the corner and was relegated to a role player.
When Jordan left the first time, The Bulls we’re still a playoff team and a Championship Contender even if they didn’t make it to the finals! Jordan made those dudes better, without him! LeBron made his teammates better with him on the court! Cats are gonna look at my statement and say “Jordan played with a better caliber of players, that’s why they were still a great team without him while, the Cavs crumbled without LeBron.” If you watched “The Last Dance” you would see how Jordan pushed his teammates to play at their most optimal level during practice and in the game. Because he knew he couldn’t win a ring by himself! While LeBron was cool with guys being mediocre and helping them look better only in the game!
Michael Jordan * 6× NBA champion (1991-1993, 1996-1998) * 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998) * 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998) * 14× NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002, 2003) * 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998) * 10× All-NBA First Team (1987-1993, 1996-1998) * All-NBA Second Team (1985) * NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988) * 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988-1993, 1996-1998) * NBA Rookie of the Year (1985) * NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985) * 10× NBA scoring champion (1987-1993, 1996-1998) * 3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993) * 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987, 1988) Total = 71 LeBron James * 4× NBA champion (2012, 2013, 2016, 2020) * 4× NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013, 2016, 2020) * 4× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013) * 20× NBA All-Star (2005-2024) * 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008, 2018) * 13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2018, 2020) * 3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021) * 4× All-NBA Third Team (2019, 2022-2024) * 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009-2013) * NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014) * NBA Rookie of the Year (2004) * NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004) * NBA scoring champion (2008) * NBA assists leader (2020) Total = 65 + 1 for all-time scoring leader Kobe Bryant * 5× NBA champion (2000-2002, 2009, 2010) * 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010) * NBA Most Valuable Player (2008) * 18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000-2016) * 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011) * 11× All-NBA First Team (2002-2004, 2006-2013) * 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001) * 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005) * 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006-2011) * 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012) * 2× NBA scoring champion (2006, 2007) * NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997) * NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997) Total = 61 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar * 6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988) * 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985) * 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980) * 19× NBA All-Star (1970-1977, 1979-1989) * 10× All-NBA First Team (1971-1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986) * 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985) * 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979-1981) * 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976-1978, 1984) * NBA Rookie of the Year (1970) * NBA All-Rookie First Team (1970) * 2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972) * NBA rebounding leader (1976) * 4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980) Total = 68 I’ll give one extra point to LeBron for being the all-time scoring leader which was never listed for Kareem when he still held the record. So LeBron is at 66, still behind MJ and Kareem. Michael Jordan played only 12 full to close to full seasons, 11 with Chicago. He only played 18 regular season games in 1986, 17 in 1995, and 60 in 2002. He played 5-6 seasons less than Kareem, Kobe, and LeBron and still accomplished more. If you want to include college and even high school, then Kareem is the most accomplished basketball player. But MJ is the most accomplished player in NBA history, hence, the G.O.A.T. We forget MJ has his jersey retired by two franchises, one he never played for! Trophies and medals only…. Michael Jordan Championships: 6 MVP: 5 Finals MVP: 6 All-Star MVP: 3 Rookie of the Year: 1 Defensive Player of the Year: 1 Scoring champion: 10 Gold medals: 2 (excluded FIBA) Slam Dunk contest champion: 2 Total = 36 LeBron James Championships: 4 MVP: 4 Finals MVP: 4 All-Star MVP: 3 Rookie of the Year: 1 Scoring champion: 1 Gold medals: 2 Total = 19 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Championships: 6 MVP: 6 Finals MVP: 2 Rookie of the Year: 1 Scoring champion: 2 Total = 17 Kobe Bryant Championships: 5 MVP: 1 Finals MVP: 2 All-Star MVP: 4 Scoring champion: 2 Gold medals: 2 Slam Dunk contest champion: 1 Total = 16 + 1 for being an Oscar winner Now championships are considered a team accomplishment but the Larry O’Brien trophy is what all great players try to play for every season. Kobe has that unique distinction of being an Oscar winner. While Cap still had one of the greatest cameos ever for a movie ✈️ . Even if I subtracted all of MJ’s 10 scoring champion trophies and left the ones for LeBron, Kobe, and Cap intact, MJ still ahead with 26. I can subtract his slam dunk trophies and he’s still at 24. I’m subtracting from MJ and he’s still ahead of everybody while they all played longer than he did!! Kareem never won a gold medal or All-Star MVP. Michael Jordan is the most accomplished player in *NBA* history. Don’t let the media tell you otherwise. He has more trophies than Ben-Hur (1959) and Titanic (1997) won Oscars combined. *The* *GOAT* *Award* *Winner* 1985 Rookie of the Year 1987 Scoring champion 1988 Scoring champion 1988 Defensive Player of the Year 1988 MVP 1989 Scoring champion 1990 Scoring champion 1991 Scoring champion 1991 MVP 1991 Finals MVP 1992 Scoring champion 1992 MVP 1992 Finals MVP 1993 Scoring champion 1993 Finals MVP 1996 Scoring champion 1996 MVP 1996 Finals MVP 1997 Scoring champion 1997 Finals MVP 1998 Scoring champion 1998 MVP 1998 Finals MVP Total = 23 (makes total sense) Ben-Hur won 11 Oscars. Titanic won 11 Oscars. MJ won 23 trophies not including Larry O’Briens, All-Star MVPs, slam dunk contests, and gold medals. Still the greatest player to ever touch a basketball. MJ in the Top 75 celebration ua-cam.com/users/shortspXCdS9g3P4I?si=EV5c0wkt9INwyfXu MJ tossing the thumbs up like he’s Tom Cruise in the Top Gun movies. He does it so cool and nonchalantly. You know how people say Tom is the last great MOVIE STAR? MJ is the same way. Still has the same aura to him when he still played. Still relevant and draws the biggest cheers and hasn’t played in 21 years. They don’t make real legends like Michael Jordan and Tom Cruise anymore. Tom is a year older than MJ but he’s still kicking ass in his movies. We still got Michael Jordan, Tom Cruise, Madonna, and Mike Tyson. They’re the last of their kind of 80s & 90s icons. The last real decades before Internet and smartphones ruined it all. RIP Michael Jackson (1958-2009) RIP Whitney Houston (1963-2012) RIP Prince (1958-2016) RIP Kurt Cobain (1967-1994) RIP Tupac Shakur (1971-1996) RIP Christopher Wallace (1972-1997) RIP Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Bruh literally I pointed 😂out that Jordan literally has twice as many defensive selections 😂nd dude at my job said they be glazing Jordan im like huh ??? Im like are u saying he got those all defensive selections because of glazing
If LeBron made his teammates better how can they be worse without them? They should be better without him. To answer the question it's bc the system and everything had to be changed to fit LeBron and what he wants. When he's gone everything falls apart bc it was only catered for LeBron. He needs all the help he can get.
Bottom line is, if Draymond doesn't say LeBron is the GOAT. Draymond has to admit that they choked in 2016. With this narrative they lost to the best player ever n there regular season record still carries some weight.
Dwyane Wade / Chris Bosh / Kyrie Irving / Kevin Love / Larry Hughes / Mo Williams / Derrick Rose / J.R Smith / Iman Shumpert / Jeff Green / Anthony Davis / Russell Westbrook etc. were all better basketball players either BEFORE or AFTER LeBron James 🤣👎🏾 LeBron needs 3 things to win a basketball game: Shooters / Closers / Spacing. Take away 1/3 & you get 22-33 in finals gms Everyones (especially big men) talent / skill along with their reputation regress when playing alongside LeBron James... When you have a guy that directs & facilitates the offense, needs the paint open w/ sitting ducks on the corner / wings, & also takes 25FGA a game, it disrupts the "equal opportunity offense" & severly regresses the roles of the superstars he reguarly plays with into mere spot up shooters... These individuals are incapable of moving off the ball & obtaining positioning to get the ball, which is why its always in their hands... Pau / Shaq / Odom / Bynum shined playing alongside Kobe Bryant. Luc Longley / Pippen / Armstrong / Rodman / Kukoc etc. games shined playing alongside Mj... There isn't 1 player LeBron took under his wing & improved in any facet of the game 😂
I get so tired of the Kobe Brigade with the “closest to MJ” stuff. It’s as bad as the Bron riders. They weren’t close but people are fooled because they had a similar play style. Look at playoff numbers/performances. Jordan 8 50 point playoff games. Kobe 1. Kobe had almost as bad a Finals series in 2004 as Lebron 2011 but Kobe guys like to pretend it didn’t happen. He was HORRIBLE in that series and shot them out of it. No one with a brain can image prime Jordan performing that bad in the FINALS with PRIME SHAQ on his team putting up 28 on 60%. Suns Game 7. Kobe refused to shoot for a whole half. Jordan would never. Jordan won 6 rings without a dominant big. Kobe had prime Shaq for 3 (all Finals MVP) and Gasol/Bynum. Jordan 10 scoring titles Kobe 2. Jordan DPOY. Jordan went 7 years without losing 3 in a row. Look up Kobe’s Finals numbers. He diminished in the Finals while Jordan elevated I could literally go on and on. Stop the lies about him being the closest to Jordan. He was great but just like Lebron isn’t Kobe isnt either. Jordan was just that good.
Total Mvps (league and finals) Jordan 11✔️ (most all time) Kobe 3
Scoring titles Jordan 10✔️ (most all time) Kobe 2
Steals leader Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993) Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️ Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year Jordan 1✔️ (1988) Kobe 0
Career Steals Jordan 2,514✔️ Kobe 1,944
Career blocks Jordan 893✔️ Kobe 640
Seasons played Kobe 20 Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season) Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating Jordan 1st all time ✔️ Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg Jordan 8✔️ Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg Jordan 5✔️ Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals) Jordan 36.8%✔️ Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters Jordan 3✔️ Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️ Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals Bulls 4 Lakers 1 First ring Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 First ring Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals Pistons 4 Lakers 1 Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
i TOTALLY AGREE that M.J. IS waaaaay better than Kobe, BUT 'Lebron' SHOULD NOT be ranked '#2' all time .. BARELY 'top-10' (jordan, kareem, magic, duncan, olajuwon, kobe, shaq, bird, Lebron OR russell, wilt, thomas, THEN Lebron
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Larry Bird 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant
i don’t worship anybody but Jesus Christ. Who has better FG% outside of layups and dunks? Kobe. Who has better defense? Kobe. Who is better at offense? Kobe. Who had higher iq? seeing as how lebron leads nba history in turnover id say Kobe. Kobe was acquitted. LeBalco “ain’t no party like a diddy party” James seems like a diddler which id say is FAR worse than someone who cheated on their wife (not that that’s okay, but i mean it’s pretty obvious the 💉 user LeBalco is cheating on HIS wife with the lakers owner on top of being a potential diddler and an obvious racist)
@@MelachiDubNation2531 First of all you never talked to me before so you don't know what I've ever said about Jordan and Pippen so don't try to link my words to what others say ain't no Yall
@@RevivedBeast184 LeBron higher 3point % then Kobe so yo logic of only dunks and layups hold no weight LeBron more steals, more blocks, higher defensive rating higher defensive win shares career and better defender then Kobe ,😂 LeBron better player then Kobe easily. Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not even top 10 player all time
Jordan was so good he didn't have to try to look like he's a leader, it was that obvious. Lebron was surrounded by so many stars he couldn't stand out. If only Lebron didn't stack his teams.
Using the same standards for MJ as you use for Lebron would prove Scottie was much better without MJ and most if not all his other teammates also performed better without MJ.
In what universe is lebum better than jordan? Lebum has no intention to make anyone better. Players on his team have to adjust to his system. Lebum is ball heavy. Dribble, dribble, dribble, waste most of the shot clock then pass and expect his teammates to hit the shot. Never trust anyone who is signed to lebrons management company, they are not credible with their argument.
I think most people know that if you play with Lebron and underperform, it’s your fault, Lebron doesn’t work with you to make you better, and LeGM trades you.
Draymond’s right….. Lebron made Curry (3x), Durant (2x), Duncan (2x), Dirk (1x) and Kawhi (1x) better during the finals, lol. All of them ate good on his watch!!!
Jordan literally hosted morning practices for his teammates they would workout in the the morning and if you showed up you got the chance to eat breakfast and it became a big thing with pippen and a few others Jordan trainer did a UA-cam video called like “how Michael Jordan’s trainer made him so good” where he talks about the morning training
MJ made all players better around him 🤣. Kerr won 3 more after he left the bulls, pipen went from point to small forward, Rodman quit being a party crazy animal, had a cigar with Jordan and then showed up to all the games. Kukoc became an incredible shooter and HOF
This last argument was so breathtakingly stupid that even Klutch was like... What kinda stupid shit are you saying? Jordan specifically pushed his teammates in practice to make them better. He had his trainer work with Scottie to make him better. Worked with Scottie every day to make him better. Lebron didn't make ANYONE better, just better at playing Bron Ball. Once he left, they hadn't improved at basketball like when Jordan retired.
@@urbaindelva7869 He was pushing them to improve their mental toughness and their game. According to players, he'd tell them every single thing they're doing wrong, and if they asked how to fix them, he'd give them a detailed answer. Shit, he even did that for Kobe, and he was never on the dude's team.
All this commentary that disrespects old school players, players from 20 or more years ago, by today's players and commentators is why people over 30 to 40 years old will hate the NBA. THEY are turning away fans. They are tarnishing the NBA. They need to be quiet. They are taking away and not adding to the greatness of these athletes. We don't need the comparison game. We don't need to hear some torn down while others are artificially elevated. If someone is great, we know it. Let us enjoy the game. Stop this nonsense of promoting your own opinions about who is great and why they are better than others. Let us enjoy the game in it's own terms. Just stop
Do you know why Pop always have a good team or decent team regardless of what players they have currently? Because Pop knows how to play system basketball with the talent he has. He actually makes these random unknown guys better and get known from playing in his system.
He also keeps a lot of foreign players on his roster who are used to playing system basketball, too. Notice that he never fell out with Duncan, Parker, or Ginobli, but he fell out with Kawhi.
So why go to Miami? Why go back to Cleveland with Kyrie and recruit Love? Why go to LA and recruit AD and Westbrook?
Draymond is delusional. He certified his silliness when he said he could guard Shaq.
Exactly
Shaq would do exactly what he did to everyone else maybe worse to green n he wouldn’t try for bully shaq either
He said that? 😂
@@bladebrown7342 * sigh * to Shaq's face during an interview. Shaq had to pull off his glasses.
@@pasigiri to his face, wtf. Everybody in there had to start laughing at that lol
Shaq is backing draymond, klay, steph, and kd down from mid court all at the same time if he needed to
Every idiot has a podcast now. What a time to be alive.
Free speech. Just gotta ignore the idiots and agenda pushers
Lol, yep. " Let me share my nonsensical/incoherent thoughts with you for an hour every Wednesday"
Jeff Teague’s is usually pretty good when people like donkey aren’t on there
Teagues is normally funny. I find Draymond strange how he is always sucking up to Lebron. Bigging up Steph, Klay, I would understand
I’m not a fan but if an nba championship can be considered an idiot . Idk what that makes us
Draymond shows why “new media” is hot garbage. Just lie for who you like. LeBron makes NO ONE better. Dreymond has no integrity or credibility.
*lie for the guy that spreads the same agenda as you
The old and new media are the exact same and they’re both controlled by Klutch Sports
🔥 I remember the years before Pippen came into his own there where articles and interviews talked about how Jordan helped and worked on Pippen's game during those earlier summers.
i dont think the media lies for who they like
they lie for who gets money from the same thinktanks
Are you that dense dude. How is what you’re claiming any different than skip bayless being a retard for 15 years and having the worst most biased takes ever? Hell, he’s probably the reason all of you guys even still like Jordan that much, cuz bro would never shut tf up about him
Lebron literally makes everyone that plays around him have to conform to a shell of themselves so he can dominate the ball, stat chase & get credit for wins & point blame for loses. Draymond is a moron. Scottie Pippen ends up anywhere other than Chicago next to MJ & at best he's a mid tier All-Star who never wins anything!!!! Meanwhile, LeGM ONLY chases/adds players that are already established & accomplished in their own right.
and pippen was average in houston and slightly above average in portland
Except his son. So far, he is the first youngster to remain on a team.
@@scott783 PIP HAD 4 SPINAL SURGERY. ARE U 5 YEARS OLD ? SHALL IN BLAZERS ? U MEAN WHEN TIM DONAGHY REF ADMIT HE RIGGED RING AND THAT PIPPEN IS CHAMPION JUST LIKE WEBBER DIVAC STOJAKOVIC ARE BUT VEGAS FIX BY REFS THOSE YEARS IN PLAYOFF SO PIPPEN AND DIVAC SHOULD BE CHAMPIONS WITH PORTLAND AND SACRAMENTO.
If Draymond isn’t traded by the Warriors immediately I cannot be a team fan. He shouldn’t be allowed to waste oxygen.
@@AngryOldHoops facts
He’s such a distraction now
Green is totally compromised at this point smh
Trade him
I strongly concur. 👍🏽
Unfortunately I doubt steph would be on board with that plan
Jordan had no control of who came into the team he elevated them to his level was the team leader like he said in last dance "i never asked my teammates for anything i didn't do" ..... LeBronze builds teams around himself then when they flop or get KO in playoffs he blames everyone but hisself #MJ23 👑
Once he started the convo with “Lebron makes his teammates better” he lost whatever argument he was trying to make 🤡
It comes from the idea that LeBron passes-Kobe and MJ are ball hogs so making teammates better means other guys would rather play with the one who passes.
I honestly think guys that have the whole game plan run through them, the LeBrons, the Luka, the Hardens, etc are worst to play with. They render you a spot up shooter and or cutter. And when they have to share and let you work? They are worthless and stand around with little to no off ball movement. Compare that to Jordan relentlessly moving off ball to get open -just like Steph, Bird, Reggie, Rip, Ray Allen or constantly working to get post positioning.
High assists per game does not equal making teammates better. Steve Nash's assists are not equal to Westbrooks just like Magics are not equal to LeBrons. Hell even Birds are not equal to LeBron. Bird would be the way better teammate than LeBron or Luka to play with if you want opportunities to shine in all areas-not just as a spot up shooter and cutter.
And for that matter Westbrook's rebounds are not equal to say Kidd's. Russ's were fabricated with everyone boxing out just for him to stat pad and he led the league in uncontested reb. and he also would leave his man open just to go chase a potential board. Kidd's were in game naturally as a very good rebounder for his size and position, but yes he was also trying to start the break asap after possession.
Facts bro who tf has lebron made better😂😂 that’s some bs narrative and i hate it
@@HailKingCeezer 💯
@@zaytowven1apparently he does according to these clowns 🤡 Love and Bosh took the biggest hit when they teamed up with Lebron. How does Love go from averaging 24/12 to 16/9 plus he had the 3rd highest PER the year prior, only to KD who won MVP and Lebron. These dudes need to stop
Tell me how it's false though. He made boobie gibson, illzaukus look good. And moe Williams an all star. Kyrie had his best years w lebron... where is the lie??
Draymond goes out his way to talk about lebron WAY more than he does steph, the guy he won 4 rings with....its weird af
It's the glaze he has for lebalco
He has no respect for curry or any other teammate he has or the organization. He sees them beneath him and they try to save face by making him the ‘enforcer’
Very true, im just saying steph literally changed the way the NBA is played and he steph and klay have as many rings as lebron, 4,..... Why talk about a rival so much?
Not just the nba, basketball at all levels men & women
@@adriannguyen5885LeBalco funny as hell
Draymond has an anatomically correct full body pillow of LeBron that he sleeps with
😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
Cashnasty 2
klutch sport's
Lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂this I believe.
And it hooks up to a vacuum cleaner.
It's just sad what the NBA has become.
Klutch and Lebron is trying to burn down the history of the NBA, so people can't compare his era to past eras. If you forget everything that came before, then Lebron is the GOAT.
@@shorewall He is never going to be the goat. The Lakers are in trouble he is trying to be the best Olympian that's sad. These dudes shouldn't even be on the team. The Olympic team is promoting him I steady of the NBA it's trashy.
LeBron’s fans are still talking about Michael freakin’ Jordan? The dude has been retired for 21 LONG YEARS, and Mike Jeff Jordan retired from the Chicago Bulls 26 years ago, yet even the opps can’t stop talking about (and indirectly worshipping) The GOAT - Michael Jordan. LeBron fan channels upload videos daily of entire Michael Jordan NBA basketball games from 1988, just to count his steals and discuss his dominance today, Nick Wright will do a whole topic on Michael Jordan tomorrow, and next week, Shannon Sharpe will retell his elevator story about the aura that seemingly surrounded a seemingly floating Michael Jordan that first time that he saw in-person the greatest basketball player/greatest sports athlete in human history(Michael Jordan). And when perhaps the greatest afterthought in American sports history - LeBron James retires, we will await the next GOAT Debates of: Michael Jordan vs Victor Wembanyama, Michael Jordan vs Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan vs Luka Doncic, Michael Jordan vs Nikola Jokic, Michael Jordan vs Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michael Jordan vs Ja Morant, Michael Jordan vs Donovan Mitchell, Michael Jordan vs Jason Tatum, Michael Jordan vs Jaylen Brown, et cetera, et cetera. And if you think that this won’t be the future reality, then you my friend are in the fringe minority, which we all describe as “DELUSIONAL”…..and we already ignore and dismiss you few people who are in the “delusional minority” and get used to it because we will DEFINITELY ignore and dismiss you all when LeBron James finally gives up his UNSUCCESSFUL chase of Michael Jordan to FINALLY retire.
LeBronze even copies using Jordan #23 every team he goes to
I really can't wait for LeBozo's flip flop circus to get out of town, so my Lakers can try and regain that pride and dignity of previous era's. What an embarrassment hanging an in-season tournament banner.😂😂😂 that's why he needs his damn respect too.
Absolutely !!!
Well said
🔥 I remember the years before Pippen came into his own there where articles and interviews talked about how Jordan helped and worked on Pippen's game during those earlier summers.
That Draymond sound bite shows why LeBalco isn’t close to the “goat convo” let alone actual debate - even his paid propagandists cannot make ANY coherent argument for LeBalco.
Draymond is a mush mouth idiot. He's got a brain like a pudding left out in the sun.
I'm really sick of the disrespect of guys like MJ and Larry Bird coming from these fanboys. If your guy was that good you wouldn't need to tear down ABSOLUTE LEGENDS to try and make him look better
This channel & viewers/subscribers like yourself tear down Lebron James daily. Literally dozens of Lebron James hate channels.
Where are the MJ hate channels?
Always makes me laugh hearing Jordan fans crying about "tearing down other players" when they just tear down Lebron every single day. Hypocrites is too kind a word for you guys.
@@Reaper13-hi3yoHow dare fans of the true GOAT respond in kind! 😂
Exactly.
@@Reaper13-hi3yothis is a fact based argument disputing something Draymond Green said. Not just non-sense like “Jordan just made guys better bc he was there”.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr Wilt and Bill both demolished any potential MJ claim to be the undisputed GOAT in person. Not that MJ has ever, to my knowledge, EVER made that claim.
Both are on camera - Wilt at the 50 Year Team function (easy to find), Bill in an interview pointing out that MJ doesn't win 6 rings in Bill's era because at least one game winner MJ's Bulls needed didn't happen because there weren't enough openings on the team for that role player to MAKE the team (harder to find).
LeBron has some delusional fans 😂
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Russell westbrook got better ??
kyrie irving just made it to the finals without LeBron
there dumb reasons for LeBron
Some they are all delusional
LEGARBAGE made nobody better he may everybody worse😂😂😂😂😂😂
He makes losers into winners ...ad , k love, Kyrie , bosh , and all those role players go from barely sniffing the playoffs to making deep playoff runs .
@@12savage68 CARUSO AND AUSTIN REAVES GOT HIGHEST CONTRACT BECAUSE OF BRON. JORDAN RUIINED BEST SCORER IN NBA STACKHOUSE, HUGHES HAMILTON AND 1ST PICK KWAME. NOT TO MENTION 16 YEARS IN HORNETS NEVER SEE PLAYOFF RUINED EVERY DRAFT PICKS. BRON HAVE MISTAKES BUT MAKE MANY PPL BETTER FOR EXAMPLE CARUSO AND REAVES WERE LOW RATING GUYS.
@@PIP...33 don't forget the contracts guys like Tristan Thompson and dellevidova got
Its hilarious that people think otherwise. Just look at ALL the greats he played with. Their stats dropped immensely compared to without his bum ass
@@michaelperez3720 as i said Bron gave many ppl big contracts. Jordan ruined best scorer in NBA Stackhouse, Hughes and Hamilton. After they left Jerry went to finals with Dallas, RIP won finals and Bron carry Hughes to finals. Jordan is nobody. Selfish ppl dont makes others better. Pippen made Armstrong and Horace Grant allstars when MJ retired thats their only games in career.
Man glazing like a mf
The thing that drives me insane about the "LeBron makes everyone better" narrative is I have never heard anyone give a specific example it's always generalities. With Jordan you have Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Paxson not all skill wise obviously, but gave them a mental toughness to succeed. LeBron has destroyed Bosh and Love, tried ruining Kyrie and dang near gave Tyron Lue a heart attack
Jordan turned Pippen into a 10x All-Defender / stls champ that began whats known as the point forward position; a forward facilitating the offense... LeBron hasnt done anything of the such
@@FrokuBabayyyeah that's why Pippen was drafted 5th overall and had the best season of his career by far WITHOUT Jordan🤣🤣
@@gggyy7104 S-tier 🍒 scratcher is back will you look at that. Pippen "best year" w/o Jordan was when he took a previous dynasty to a mere 2nd rd exit as a disgustingly inefficient 21ppg scorer. He averaged 6ppg /4rpg his rookie year & didn't qualify as an All-Star until his 3rd season (1990) & as a starter until his 5th yr (1992).
In only 4/6 the Bulls won the title Pippen qualified as an All-Star. W/o MJ would've been a mid-tier 1-2x All-Star with 0 titles. You would've never heard of Pippen's name
@@gggyy7104 oh pippen won a ring without jordan?
STOP LYING.
IT ACTUALLY HURTS YOUR ARGUMENT LMAO
@@throeawae2130what about the fact that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh’s careers were indisputably WORSE after LeBron? Who did LeBron make better?
lying about MJ or anyone else in order to elevate their guy is just a way to try and make themselves relevant
What about MJ fans lying about how great Kevin Love & Chris Bosh were in Minnesota & Toronto respectively, using their regular season numbers for franchises that never made the playoffs (Kevin Love) & never made it past the 1st round (Bosh) with them?
Do gaudy numbers on bad teams make a player a super star? Or were those two specifically perfect #3's on a championship team?
It is the latter clearly. No one cares about inflated numbers on a bad team, that doesnt make you a super star.
@@Reaper13-hi3yoso by your logic. Lebron getting to the finals, in the easiest eastern conference there ever was, wasnt impressive back in 2007. ESPECIALLY since his ass got swept. And his stats are inflated because aside from all the superteams he has been on, every team is crap. 🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
lebron fans are delusional as fuck and don't even know how hypocritical they are with their comments
Can draymond be anymore delusional? He intentionally made them better? The heck. Money definitely doesn't make you smarter or does it buy smart.
LeBronze is the destroyer of careers with the amount of scapegoating.
Did LeBron make any of these players better?:
Kevin Love
Westbrook
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
D. Wade
Ray Allen
Rondo
Kyrie
no
Lebron absolutely made Kyrie, Rondo and Dwight better. Dwight literally resurged his career playing with Lebron. Ray was 37 so obviously he wasn't going to get better
@@gggyy7104what?
Dwight brought the Magic to the finals. Kyrie was better statistically after Cavs. Rondo was a champion before he joined the Lakers. What are you talking about.
@@wearehumans1693 Is your IQ in the single digits or are you just trolling? Dwight Howard was OUT OF THE LEAGUE before he signed with the Lakers. He played 9 games in 2019 and was TERRIBLE. Then he played with Lebron, was one of the best 6th men in the NBA, helped defend Jokic and won a championship. How is that not getting better? I’m not sure how the Magic are relevant in this discussion AT ALL. Like you’re literally talking about something completely different. Same goes with Rondo. Literally was bouncing from team to team because nobody wanted him. Kyrie “statistically” led his team to absolutely NOTHING without Lebron. Quit on the Celtics and Nets, the Celtics played better and made the ECF WITHOUT him, and he hurt the Nets with all his off court stuff and injuries. Then he plays with a Lebron-type player in Luka, and guess what, makes the finals again. And oh yeah shits the bed in the finals against Boston
@@gggyy7104
A VERY CASUAL comment son #FACTS smfh
he made them better by *_DRIVE AND KICK_* and take the damn shot. Rinse and repeat.
he made them LOOK better in STAT SHEET ONLY, not in reality.
like the stat padder that he is.
Right? Lebron is just a taller Westbrook
This debate was over with after the 2011 Finals. They just keep it up for ratings, clicks, views and narratives.
You could even say it was over after 2007, a competitive series throughout that concluded in a sweep but 2011 was just a cataclysmic failure and put the nail on the coffin of the debate
@@HeathOverledgerI gave him a pass for 2007 because he had to carry the team but 2011 he was on a superteam that he created in Miami.
2007 cavs would have gotten nowhere in the west. It's not LeBrons fault that the east was so bad that Cavs somehow made itto the finals.
This is also the reason why people shouldn't give LeBron credit for his number of finals appearences.
@@martinolsen660 I said 2011 Finals
@@LeeTraviusMcKay I don't disagree with anything you've said.
Draymond glazing with no hands
And yet with all these “claims” about Bronny Sr he still has 4 championships (giving benefit for the bubble). 6 losses and not just losses, there were beatdowns in those 6. Manhandled by Jason Terry and JJ Barea. I guess you could count that as making players better. Those 2 were not house hold names.
Mr Triple Single has been trying to please Bronny Sr for years now. Anything that comes out of his mouth is usually BS. I like Mechy when he does voiceovers of him. The donkey braying.
and here is another thing, he is a ray allen shot and Irving shot away from being 2-8. And the heat team he beat, Duncan Robinson was the second best player on the team. This guy's career is a fabricated joke
@@scott783 Absolutely. Being outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barea is the ultimate slap across the face to me.
@@johnnyblaze9206 there is no coming back from that dallas loss. The clown barely averaged 17 points in the series? And Dallas is not considered a historically great team. The league was desperate to have someone continue the chain. It was Erving and Kareem in the 70's, Bird and Magic saved the 80's and Jordan emerged, Jordan in the 90's, Bryant in the 2000's, and the nba picked Le Barbie for the 2010's. Wrong pick!
Can't forget how jason kid locked lebron down and only allowed him 2 score 7 or 8 pts in the finals😂
hey hey, you see how you are showing clearly how LeFraud indeed made his teammates look better, we was so damn shit in those finals that made literal bench warmers look like all time HOF he did make them look better :D
Whatever Draymond said, make no sense. 🤦♂️
People forget that Jordan had the the most difficult player to play with in Dennis Rodman. With Rodman they got to win 3 chips. DAvid Robindon couldnt handle him
Oh how heroic of Jordan to play with Rodman who led the league in rebounding those 3 years they won those titles. Please
@@Reaper13-hi3yoIf it was so easy having Rodman why Spurs was trying to get rid of him?
@@Reaper13-hi3yo "Rodman who led the league in rebounding" - Despite THAT, Spurs traded Rodman for a BENCH player!
That is how big of a problem Rodman is before playing with MJ and Coach Phil.
Other teams can offer a BETTER trade but they do NOT WANT THAT PROBLEM!
@@Reaper13-hi3yostick to video games
The fact he intentionally tried to make his team better and still couldn't do it better than the guy who was just playing is actually sad. Not to mention he flat out lying, stat padding your ast doesn't mean your making anyone better lol
I sure have seen how guys like Bosh and Love played after LeBron made them "better" compared to before. You're not making anyone better when everyone has to change their game to have it tailor-made for you
Don't forget one of his first all star teammates. A top 50 scorer all time Antwan Jamison who wasn't the same in Cleveland
Yes Lebron "made his teammates better" intentionally so they could lose together most of the time, lol.
Draymond still trynna get on the "mind the game" podcast.
This video is another masterpiece. We all know Draymond has a love affair with LeBron and will say anything to try to embellish Lebron's legacy.
How can he make them better and then complain he had no help???
Draymond is probably saying those because he wants to get friends with LeBron for connection purposes
Draymond is already thinking of retirement plans, and he's already be-friend LeBron. They're in business together, so he sees it as a advantagous avenue.
Why are Klutch Sports guys always lying?
Why were MJ's steals entirely inflated in 1988?
@@Reaper13-hi3yo You're refusing to answer the uncomfortable question by trying to change the conversation to something else. Nice try!
@@jordanjenkins1671 lol, I dont work for Klutch guy
@@Reaper13-hi3yo Why that analyst claiming that MJ`s steal was inflated intentionally selected six games to jump to that conclusion? Obviously he had an agenda to fit his argument. Talk about pathetic in order to elevate his boy Lebron.
Narcissistic people like other narcissistic people. They only want first place, even if it means lying to take it.
Great points my brother! They keep lying and getting exposed!
Who has he made better?
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Not even his own damn self!
Exactly
He got Dellavedova & Mozgov huge contracts after making them look like legitimate starters in the 2015 Finals, Tristan Thompson too
@@Reaper13-hi3yo incorrec. he told management if they dydnt resign those scrubbs he was leavin. stop the kap.
When it comes to Jordan vs LeBron debate... - of course there is no such thing as a debate
Draymond is a clear example of these lebron fans think. Its crazy how he fails to realize how many players (mostly top 75 players) had to diminish their game to uplift his. Which is why kyrie left back in 2017.
If James actually mad his teammates better, he would have won the first time around with that 60 win Cleveland team.
Ah yes, LBJ should have taken down the Boston Big 3 with Mo Williams, Delonte West & 33 year old Big Z.
Jordan should have won just one playoff series without Scottie Pippen on the roster in a 15 season career.
@@Reaper13-hi3yo Didn't they have the best record in the league 2 years in a row? If they were so bad how did they outperform the teams they lost to in the playoffs during the regular season?
@@sirfrescobar4830 ... because of Lebron James smh.. you really think those 66 wins are due to Mo Williams (17 ppg), Delonte West (11 ppg) and old Big Z (12 ppg)?
Give it up you guys, some of these narratives are so nonsensical
I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but.. please tell me Draymond IS on drugs. I could totally understand then, but if he's sober saying bs like that.. maybe.. its time to retire... His mouth.
If players suck after you leave then you didn't actually make them better. You put them in position to succeed. The Bulls (plus Kukoc and Kerr) winning over 50 games without him it's used as a negative, but when you actually make your teammates better they can play whether or not you're on the floor.
Draymond Green caught a grip of Bron's crouch and couldn't get enough of that
Dray has no idea what he is talking about, we have documented evidence of Jordan intentionally making those around him better.
Bron has not intentionally made those around him better. Nearly everyone he’s brought on to his teams have seen their numbers drop in order to accommodate to the Lebron centered offense. He’s made players and coaches worse.
How does one document evidence of Jordan intentionally making someone better?
Because in 1994 without Jordan & just a rookie Kukoc, Chicago won 55 games & a playoff series without him. Scottie was top 3 in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were 1st time All Stars. So MJ who wasnt there, for a roster that had 3 other All Stars, he supposedly intentionally made them better/talented?
See how foolish these narratives are when confronted with facts.
@@Reaper13-hi3yodo you seriously think a team that just 3 peated and added additional pieces should be a tanking team the following year? Can you tell me how the bulls were doing the following year before Jordan returned?
There is footage of their practices. Players own personal testimonies. Winning Championships.
I agree that 1994 Bulls team excelled in both record and players individual stats without Jordan. It was Pippen’s, Grant’s and Armstrong’s best season. Regular season accolades are good and all but if you don’t win a ring it don’t mean a thing. They fell short of winning a championship in ECSF against the Knicks. This series exposed the lack of leadership from Pippen. Especially in game 3 with the Bulls down in the series 0-2 it was a must win game . He couldn’t play Mason one on one to take the last shot. He missed his shot off the glass. Next play that was drawn up was for Kukoc to take the last shot with Pippen being used as a decoy. In protest Pippen benched himself. This showed his team that he is not that guy. No one on the 1994 Bulls team was that guy. Sure Kukoc was clutch but, no one who can truly lead and inspire the team to play better-as in winning a Championship better.
The following year they were barely hanging around. 500. Yes, Grant left to Orlando for more money. Cartwright left in FA but he was pretty old at this point, hence why Krause traded for Longly the previous year. But still most of players from the previous year were still there and they also acquired Ron Harper.
But, yeah 1994-95 were a team barely hanging around .500, then you have Pippen fighting with the front office and Krause wanting to trade him. Jordan comes back in injects new life into the team. He wasn’t in full basketball shape as he trained for the past 2 years to be a baseball player, but even that Mike was able to make his team better, going 13-4 when he joined the team but eventually losing in the ECSF to the Orlando Magic and then coming back the next year going 72-10 and sweeping the Magic and winning another title, and another after that and another that.
@@shoestringundertakings I think that is about as fair & accurate a description of it I have seen from a MJ fan.
I do understand they werent nearly as good as they were with Jordan, I just think that 94 season proved there was a solid baseline of a roster/talent in place.
Draymond being a good little klutch employee ☠️💯
Here's the link Draymond is not seeing. Steve Kerr played with MJ. MJ gives Kerr his big moment when making that big shot from MJ pass in the finals. Kerr becomes Warriors coach and wins 4x rings. You think part of that doesn't come from Kerr's time playing with MJ? Just by association, Draymond championships are tied to MJ
Not just Kerr, paxson
Jesus, that was like 0:14 straight of Draymond. How much do you think we can handle.
MJ 🐐
Michael Air Jordan is better than LeBron James
Pippen wouldn't be nearly the player he was without Jordan. Jordan took him under his wing.
Pretty sure he was top 3 in MVP voting in 1994 without Jordan
@@Reaper13-hi3yo and you actually believe he would have been that good if he never played with Jordan. Wow
@@Sf75178 I believe in facts & truth- not speculation & projection, try it some time
@@Sf75178 I dont deal in what if's & projections- just facts, try it some time
@Reaper13-hi3yo Pippen being top 3 in mvp voting is a result of Jordan taking Pippen under his wing. You choose to ignore that
how many times do i have to say it???????
Mr Green is a clown
No worse than JJ Barerra.
Oh wait, that's not a recommendation....
TWO Michaels are the greatest athletes of their respective ERAS/Centuries as told by LeSPN (the Number #1 media platform for pandering to LeBron James and this fake Goat debate) - ESPN ranked the Top 100 professional athletes since 2000 aka the Top 100 pro-athletes of the first 24 years of the 21st Century:
1) Michael Phelps, 2) Serena Williams, 3) Lionel Messi, 4) LEBRON JAMES at only NUMBER 4, 5) Tom Brady, 6) Roger Federer, 7) Simone Biles, 8) Tiger Woods, 9) Usain Bolt, 10) Kobe Bryant. HOWEVER, when ESPN ranked the Top 100 professional athletes since 1900 to 2000 aka the Top 100 pro-athletes of the ENTIRE 100 years (the WHOLE Century)of the 20st Century:
1) MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN easily won the #1 SPOT, 2) Babe Ruth, 3) Muhammad Ali,
4) Jim Brown, 5) Wayne Gretzky, 6) Jesse Owens, 7) Jim Thorpe, 8) Willie Mays, 9) Jack Nicklaus, 10) Babe Didrikson, 11) Joe Louis, 12) Carl Lewis, 13) Wilt Chamberlain, 14) Hank Aaron, 15) Jackie Robinson, 16) Ted Williams, 17) Magic Johnson, 18) Bill Russell. So Michael Jordan is the #1 GOAT of the whole 20th Century, and LeBron James is only the #4 Player of the 21st Century. ESPN got this one right all the way. Nobody was a better athlete than Michael Jordan because Michael Jordan was better than everybody. Look at the distance between LeBron James and the VERY next basketball player (Kobe Bryant) in their era, and look at the distance between Michael Jordan and the VERY next basketball player (Wilt Chamberlain) in their era. There are 5 athletes between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant in their era, and there are 11 people between Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain in their era. The distance between Michael Jordan and whoever you have at #2, in regards to professional basketball, is the distance between Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain on this ESPN list. Case closed. GAME OVER!!!
MJ did not play during Wilt or Bill's era.
And ESPN has shown a lot of bias in the past.
Kevin Love was a rebounding machine and a force in the paint as a borderline MVP candidate with Minnesota. After teaming up with Lebron, he became a spot up shooter from the corner and was relegated to a role player.
Draymond is glazin Bron wit Hawk Tuah
When Jordan left the first time, The Bulls we’re still a playoff team and a Championship Contender even if they didn’t make it to the finals!
Jordan made those dudes better, without him!
LeBron made his teammates better with him on the court!
Cats are gonna look at my statement and say “Jordan played with a better caliber of players, that’s why they were still a great team without him while, the Cavs crumbled without LeBron.”
If you watched “The Last Dance” you would see how Jordan pushed his teammates to play at their most optimal level during practice and in the game. Because he knew he couldn’t win a ring by himself!
While LeBron was cool with guys being mediocre and helping them look better only in the game!
Gaymond Greene is literally the reason the warriors fell apart
Mr. Triple Single destroyed a 3peat and then the entire team.
Draymond is smart as a bag of hammers.
When did LeBron leave a championship team? Every team he left was already on fire. That is why he leaves.
For real, who's Dramon Green ?
A very adverage overrated player.
Didn’t he say Boobie Gibson not Mo Williams?
Michael Jordan
* 6× NBA champion (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
* 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
* 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
* 14× NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002, 2003)
* 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
* 10× All-NBA First Team (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
* All-NBA Second Team (1985)
* NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
* 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988-1993, 1996-1998)
* NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
* NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
* 10× NBA scoring champion (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
* 3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993)
* 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987, 1988)
Total = 71
LeBron James
* 4× NBA champion (2012, 2013, 2016, 2020)
* 4× NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013, 2016, 2020)
* 4× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013)
* 20× NBA All-Star (2005-2024)
* 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008, 2018)
* 13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2018, 2020)
* 3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021)
* 4× All-NBA Third Team (2019, 2022-2024)
* 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009-2013)
* NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014)
* NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
* NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
* NBA scoring champion (2008)
* NBA assists leader (2020)
Total = 65
+ 1 for all-time scoring leader
Kobe Bryant
* 5× NBA champion (2000-2002, 2009, 2010)
* 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010)
* NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
* 18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000-2016)
* 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
* 11× All-NBA First Team (2002-2004, 2006-2013)
* 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001)
* 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
* 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006-2011)
* 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012)
* 2× NBA scoring champion (2006, 2007)
* NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997)
* NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
Total = 61
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
* 6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
* 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
* 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
* 19× NBA All-Star (1970-1977, 1979-1989)
* 10× All-NBA First Team (1971-1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)
* 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)
* 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979-1981)
* 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976-1978, 1984)
* NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
* NBA All-Rookie First Team (1970)
* 2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972)
* NBA rebounding leader (1976)
* 4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980)
Total = 68
I’ll give one extra point to LeBron for being the all-time scoring leader which was never listed for Kareem when he still held the record. So LeBron is at 66, still behind MJ and Kareem.
Michael Jordan played only 12 full to close to full seasons, 11 with Chicago. He only played 18 regular season games in 1986, 17 in 1995, and 60 in 2002. He played 5-6 seasons less than Kareem, Kobe, and LeBron and still accomplished more.
If you want to include college and even high school, then Kareem is the most accomplished basketball player. But MJ is the most accomplished player in NBA history, hence, the G.O.A.T. We forget MJ has his jersey retired by two franchises, one he never played for!
Trophies and medals only….
Michael Jordan
Championships: 6
MVP: 5
Finals MVP: 6
All-Star MVP: 3
Rookie of the Year: 1
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
Scoring champion: 10
Gold medals: 2 (excluded FIBA)
Slam Dunk contest champion: 2
Total = 36
LeBron James
Championships: 4
MVP: 4
Finals MVP: 4
All-Star MVP: 3
Rookie of the Year: 1
Scoring champion: 1
Gold medals: 2
Total = 19
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Championships: 6
MVP: 6
Finals MVP: 2
Rookie of the Year: 1
Scoring champion: 2
Total = 17
Kobe Bryant
Championships: 5
MVP: 1
Finals MVP: 2
All-Star MVP: 4
Scoring champion: 2
Gold medals: 2
Slam Dunk contest champion: 1
Total = 16
+ 1 for being an Oscar winner
Now championships are considered a team accomplishment but the Larry O’Brien trophy is what all great players try to play for every season. Kobe has that unique distinction of being an Oscar winner. While Cap still had one of the greatest cameos ever for a movie ✈️ .
Even if I subtracted all of MJ’s 10 scoring champion trophies and left the ones for LeBron, Kobe, and Cap intact, MJ still ahead with 26. I can subtract his slam dunk trophies and he’s still at 24. I’m subtracting from MJ and he’s still ahead of everybody while they all played longer than he did!! Kareem never won a gold medal or All-Star MVP.
Michael Jordan is the most accomplished player in *NBA* history. Don’t let the media tell you otherwise. He has more trophies than Ben-Hur (1959) and Titanic (1997) won Oscars combined.
*The* *GOAT* *Award* *Winner*
1985 Rookie of the Year
1987 Scoring champion
1988 Scoring champion
1988 Defensive Player of the Year
1988 MVP
1989 Scoring champion
1990 Scoring champion
1991 Scoring champion
1991 MVP
1991 Finals MVP
1992 Scoring champion
1992 MVP
1992 Finals MVP
1993 Scoring champion
1993 Finals MVP
1996 Scoring champion
1996 MVP
1996 Finals MVP
1997 Scoring champion
1997 Finals MVP
1998 Scoring champion
1998 MVP
1998 Finals MVP
Total = 23 (makes total sense)
Ben-Hur won 11 Oscars.
Titanic won 11 Oscars.
MJ won 23 trophies not including Larry O’Briens, All-Star MVPs, slam dunk contests, and gold medals. Still the greatest player to ever touch a basketball.
MJ in the Top 75 celebration
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MJ tossing the thumbs up like he’s Tom Cruise in the Top Gun movies. He does it so cool and nonchalantly. You know how people say Tom is the last great MOVIE STAR? MJ is the same way. Still has the same aura to him when he still played. Still relevant and draws the biggest cheers and hasn’t played in 21 years.
They don’t make real legends like Michael Jordan and Tom Cruise anymore. Tom is a year older than MJ but he’s still kicking ass in his movies. We still got Michael Jordan, Tom Cruise, Madonna, and Mike Tyson. They’re the last of their kind of 80s & 90s icons. The last real decades before Internet and smartphones ruined it all.
RIP Michael Jackson (1958-2009)
RIP Whitney Houston (1963-2012)
RIP Prince (1958-2016)
RIP Kurt Cobain (1967-1994)
RIP Tupac Shakur (1971-1996)
RIP Christopher Wallace (1972-1997)
RIP Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Bruh literally I pointed 😂out that Jordan literally has twice as many defensive selections 😂nd dude at my job said they be glazing Jordan im like huh ??? Im like are u saying he got those all defensive selections because of glazing
If LeBron made his teammates better how can they be worse without them? They should be better without him. To answer the question it's bc the system and everything had to be changed to fit LeBron and what he wants. When he's gone everything falls apart bc it was only catered for LeBron. He needs all the help he can get.
Dramond I love u but on dis point dat d most shit I have heard
Bottom line is, if Draymond doesn't say LeBron is the GOAT. Draymond has to admit that they choked in 2016. With this narrative they lost to the best player ever n there regular season record still carries some weight.
DrayBUM
Dwyane Wade / Chris Bosh / Kyrie Irving / Kevin Love / Larry Hughes / Mo Williams / Derrick Rose / J.R Smith / Iman Shumpert / Jeff Green / Anthony Davis / Russell Westbrook etc. were all better basketball players either BEFORE or AFTER LeBron James 🤣👎🏾
LeBron needs 3 things to win a basketball game: Shooters / Closers / Spacing. Take away 1/3 & you get 22-33 in finals gms
Everyones (especially big men)
talent / skill along with their reputation regress when playing alongside LeBron James...
When you have a guy that directs & facilitates the offense, needs the paint open w/ sitting ducks on the corner / wings, & also takes 25FGA a game, it disrupts the "equal opportunity offense" & severly regresses the roles of the superstars he reguarly plays with into mere spot up shooters...
These individuals are incapable of moving off the ball & obtaining positioning to get the ball, which is why its always in their hands...
Pau / Shaq / Odom / Bynum shined playing alongside Kobe Bryant. Luc Longley / Pippen / Armstrong / Rodman / Kukoc etc. games shined playing alongside Mj... There isn't 1 player LeBron took under his wing & improved in any facet of the game 😂
If your name is not Kobe, it’s going to be hard to do what Jordan did.
I get so tired of the Kobe Brigade with the “closest to MJ” stuff. It’s as bad as the Bron riders.
They weren’t close but people are fooled because they had a similar play style.
Look at playoff numbers/performances. Jordan 8 50 point playoff games. Kobe 1.
Kobe had almost as bad a Finals series in 2004 as Lebron 2011 but Kobe guys like to pretend it didn’t happen. He was HORRIBLE in that series and shot them out of it. No one with a brain can image prime Jordan performing that bad in the FINALS with PRIME SHAQ on his team putting up 28 on 60%.
Suns Game 7. Kobe refused to shoot for a whole half. Jordan would never.
Jordan won 6 rings without a dominant big. Kobe had prime Shaq for 3 (all Finals MVP) and Gasol/Bynum.
Jordan 10 scoring titles Kobe 2. Jordan DPOY. Jordan went 7 years without losing 3 in a row.
Look up Kobe’s Finals numbers. He diminished in the Finals while Jordan elevated
I could literally go on and on. Stop the lies about him being the closest to Jordan. He was great but just like Lebron isn’t Kobe isnt either. Jordan was just that good.
@@Ues2DCKobe was the closest thing to Michael Jordan
@@LeeTraviusMcKayI get that you think that’s clever but it just shows non biased people that you have no rebuttal- because there is none.
@@Ues2DC Name one other player that came close to Michael Jordan?
Uncut hoops=when it comes to
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
i TOTALLY AGREE that M.J. IS waaaaay better than Kobe, BUT 'Lebron' SHOULD NOT be ranked '#2' all time .. BARELY 'top-10' (jordan, kareem, magic, duncan, olajuwon, kobe, shaq, bird, Lebron OR russell, wilt, thomas, THEN Lebron
Anyone that has the same representation as Lebron has an invalid opinion
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Bleacher report has Larry Bird #5
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.6%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 40,474✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,275✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,111✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series when Jason Terry took his lunch money
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
Y'all worship a Accused R apist
Wait a minute, the sidekick part.... You said Kobe was a sidekick like pippen was, but I thought y'all say pippen carried MJ???? 🤔🤨🤨🧐🧐
i don’t worship anybody but Jesus Christ.
Who has better FG% outside of layups and dunks? Kobe.
Who has better defense? Kobe. Who is better at offense? Kobe.
Who had higher iq? seeing as how lebron leads nba history in turnover id say Kobe.
Kobe was acquitted. LeBalco “ain’t no party like a diddy party” James seems like a diddler which id say is FAR worse than someone who cheated on their wife (not that that’s okay, but i mean it’s pretty obvious the 💉 user LeBalco is cheating on HIS wife with the lakers owner on top of being a potential diddler and an obvious racist)
@@MelachiDubNation2531
First of all you never talked to me before so you don't know what I've ever said about Jordan and Pippen so don't try to link my words to what others say ain't no Yall
@@StoneCold2k57 well did pippen carry MJ???
@@RevivedBeast184
LeBron higher 3point % then Kobe so yo logic of only dunks and layups hold no weight
LeBron more steals, more blocks, higher defensive rating higher defensive win shares career and better defender then Kobe ,😂
LeBron better player then Kobe easily.
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not even top 10 player all time
He doesn't make teammates better.. he gets better teammates
These are NBA professional players.They need to make themselves better.
After their 2022 title GSW should’ve traded Draymond’s non-shooting a**. He’s been compromised by Klutch Sports and shouldn’t be trusted.
Jordan was so good he didn't have to try to look like he's a leader, it was that obvious. Lebron was surrounded by so many stars he couldn't stand out. If only Lebron didn't stack his teams.
Using the same standards for MJ as you use for Lebron would prove Scottie was much better without MJ and most if not all his other teammates also performed better without MJ.
In what universe is lebum better than jordan? Lebum has no intention to make anyone better. Players on his team have to adjust to his system. Lebum is ball heavy. Dribble, dribble, dribble, waste most of the shot clock then pass and expect his teammates to hit the shot. Never trust anyone who is signed to lebrons management company, they are not credible with their argument.
I think most people know that if you play with Lebron and underperform, it’s your fault, Lebron doesn’t work with you to make you better, and LeGM trades you.
Draymond’s right….. Lebron made Curry (3x), Durant (2x), Duncan (2x), Dirk (1x) and Kawhi (1x) better during the finals, lol.
All of them ate good on his watch!!!
Since this guy said he could guard Shaq I don't know what else you'll expect about him
Jordan literally hosted morning practices for his teammates they would workout in the the morning and if you showed up you got the chance to eat breakfast and it became a big thing with pippen and a few others Jordan trainer did a UA-cam video called like “how Michael Jordan’s trainer made him so good” where he talks about the morning training
Debate?
Debate?!
Gtfo, MJ no question.
When lebron played with wade, bosh, kevin love...they all diminished in their game!!
MJ made all players better around him 🤣. Kerr won 3 more after he left the bulls, pipen went from point to small forward, Rodman quit being a party crazy animal, had a cigar with Jordan and then showed up to all the games. Kukoc became an incredible shooter and HOF
lebron is the ost fabricated sport start in history
This last argument was so breathtakingly stupid that even Klutch was like... What kinda stupid shit are you saying? Jordan specifically pushed his teammates in practice to make them better. He had his trainer work with Scottie to make him better. Worked with Scottie every day to make him better. Lebron didn't make ANYONE better, just better at playing Bron Ball. Once he left, they hadn't improved at basketball like when Jordan retired.
Was he pushing them to play harder or work on their actual game? Pushing them to play harder doesn't exactly mean that their game is getting better.
@@urbaindelva7869 He was pushing them to improve their mental toughness and their game. According to players, he'd tell them every single thing they're doing wrong, and if they asked how to fix them, he'd give them a detailed answer. Shit, he even did that for Kobe, and he was never on the dude's team.
@@TacoMahstahAll right.
All this commentary that disrespects old school players, players from 20 or more years ago, by today's players and commentators is why people over 30 to 40 years old will hate the NBA. THEY are turning away fans. They are tarnishing the NBA. They need to be quiet. They are taking away and not adding to the greatness of these athletes. We don't need the comparison game. We don't need to hear some torn down while others are artificially elevated. If someone is great, we know it. Let us enjoy the game. Stop this nonsense of promoting your own opinions about who is great and why they are better than others. Let us enjoy the game in it's own terms. Just stop
Lebron actually makes his teammates worse so what are we even talking about
Did westbrook get better under Lebron??
MJ even hit kerr in practice becasue he want kerr to play at his best Thats how you want your temmates get better
MJ made an entire league better by just having to work harder to equal him - on both sides of the ball.
Great! We all get the blessing of an opinion from Draybum.
This Clutch sports nonsense is getting out of hand. They gotta stop it
all the media is kissing Lebron’s ass every play but I just seen him turn the ball over 6 times against ssd and he had no fouls played absolutely no d
Well he didn't make them better if when he left they sucked.
Who tf has Bron made better !? I’ll wait
Do you know why Pop always have a good team or decent team regardless of what players they have currently? Because Pop knows how to play system basketball with the talent he has. He actually makes these random unknown guys better and get known from playing in his system.
He also keeps a lot of foreign players on his roster who are used to playing system basketball, too. Notice that he never fell out with Duncan, Parker, or Ginobli, but he fell out with Kawhi.
I'm far from the biggest MJ fan, but he's a hell of a lot better than Lechoke.
If Lebron did such a great job of making players better why so many traded players