Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S5:E4
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The USB port probably took down the 5V rail I would suspect. When you bent the pins back and resolved the short you probably saved your own PSU.
USB should never be able to pull that much without its OCP kicking in. I'd say it's just a coincidence, probably a bad cap in the power supply.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes most mobos from that era don't have any sort of OCP built-in so most of the times the power supply will bite the dust in these situations
I was just going to say that...USB uses 5V. Anyway...my conclusion is that computer was not taken care of anywhere near as well as the owner claimed it was.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes Yup, it should never happen, but that never stops these things from happening.
Nah, MBs even that old can operate with USB shorted. Some even will report a short into POST status sequence before proceeding to boot. Unless it is some kind of cheap aliexpress one.
Huge props to you for keeping your errors in the video. Many people would have edited it and not switched the motherboard. This is why I love this series. Never change.
LMAO that HDMI fan trick is neat 🤣😆🤣😆
I been working on PC's since 1995 and have fixed 1000's, and I never saw that. EVER.. LOL
well even us old timers can learn something new, i still love learning new quirks here and there :)
on the 4th gens, the digital display stuff goes directly to the cpu, and since the bent pents were in the area of some of those pins as well as the DMI pins, i'd guess it shorted some things and messed with the PCH's signals to kill off the pwm to the case fan headers.
no matter how much we understand about computers, there's days when they're still completely black magic that follow their own arbitrary rules.
69th 👍🥳🥳
Really? If a board behaves in a strange way, it is almost ever a short somewhere. And most shorts are either rom sockets or from screws behind the mobo... So I suspected that from the beginning...
@@TheFloRidah the 3rd gen cpus used something else (hdmi port to the chipset ->interface chips to get hdmi signal/timing), but the 4th gen basically hooked (not really, but basically) the hdmi port directly into the cpu socket.
most of the digital video stuff that was in the chipset and external to it got onboarded in the 4th gen cpus.
i have no idea when amd did their switchover, but it was probably around the same time.
/shrug
That look of defeat on your face when the new platform didn't post was heart breaking, but thankfully it was a simple oversight. Love your work, man.
Even though you found the bent pins on the CPU socket, it was probably a good call replacing the motherboard, as that USB socket, the bent pins on the CPU socket and those power anomalies, the board might not work for long
it was enjoyable hearing "ow" every few seconds while sticking your hand inside the case lol thank you for that
As a 20 year IT veteran, I always say you can never say you have seen everything. Some new problem will come and you have to solve it. Great job on this one and showing all the missteps along the way, because that is how you learn. 😊
I'm willing to bet the busted USB port shorted the 5v rail on the PSU. Even removing the short, that motherboard was trashed and shouldn't have been trusted. Full replacement was the right call.
@@manusoftarthat if he had the supplies and I am pretty sure in another episode he said he don’t mess fixing power supply
@michaelscarportI think I watched that same video of Greg’s. And, you’re correct- this series is designed to help people diagnose and fix issues. He has made multiple comments about not doing things that a user at home might try to do and could really mess things up or worse, get hurt. Such as opening, diagnosing and fixing a PSU.
@@manusoftar lol what? It is NOT dumb. What would be dumb is opening up a power supply and messing with the internals when you don't know what you're doing. Which is why he doesn't do that because he wouldn't know what he was doing and likely shock himself. I'd rather just replace the PSU outright then risk shocking myself and potentionally having to pay a hospital bill + the cost of a new PSU anyway.
@@manusoftar That's not an option fro most people lol. You gotta have the right equipment and skill to take that stuff on, and Greg doesn't. Why do people keep banging on about this shit? If you don't like the fact Greg doesn't do electrical repairs on PC parts then go watch those that do instead! They exist on UA-cam.
Watching a UA-camr's not broken, actually awesome channel Season 5 Episode 4.
1050ti with that power supply feeling like that couch meme.
Exactly! lol... I would probably sell the 1200w psu and use the money to buy a cheap 500w unit and a different GPU...I love that he puts comically over sized PSUs in these old machines though, it always gives me a chuckle...
Just to add on your opening "why bother" remarks, there's also a huge argument to be made for preventing these perfectly usable machines from achieving e-waste status any earlier than they need to. Great video Greg!
In addition a rig like this can get a new person into the hobby and the more people we have using PCs like this instead of prebuilts or consoles the better
I have a bunch of old office PCs in my garage, only dual core Sandy Bridge units. I don't get rid of them because every now and then I will see someone desperate for a basic PC for their family or just general office work. I recently gave one away to a family where the daughter had killed the family laptop by spilling a drink on it. They only needed it for MS Office and the children's homework so yeah, it's nice to avoid perfectly fine computers going to waste when there will always be someone out there that can use them.
My daily driver is an old i5 4690k in a z97 board. Runs smooth as silk but struggles with newer games
That 5v rail failing saved the rest of the parts from that short. You did your job power supply, rest in peace 🫡
Been an electronics tech for 30 plus years built my first PC in the early 90s with and original 386. I have touched most everything in the x86 platform over the years and built numerous computers. I love your channel I really enjoy seeing your process and willingness to do what needs to be done to help people out. Keep up the great work and the channel.
Thanks for sharing, and thanks for the support!
Lesson learned check everything before moving forward with a repair. You never know what may be wrong. As always good video.
Ngl as an older sibling I would 1000% end up swapping the higher capacity PSU into the main build and use that psu in this one lol the younger siblings always get the hand me downs 😂
Haha that’s funny
Yeah, a 1.2kW PSU would be going into the main build for sure, because that PSU would power a i9-14900K and 4090 setup without issues!
This was a rollercoaster to watch.
Never thought that this was cased by bend pins. Even as you rebend them, I thought that the USB port killed the board by shoring something. Really unexpected repair of the board. And again a great video. I like it very much that you never give up until you found the root cause and not just going the easy way by simply replacing anything that could potentially faulty. Thanks for that series and you being such a good teacher to us out here. Even with many years of experience in repairing PCs on my own, I can learn something from you. Very inspirering for me to watch.
16:31 that sigh... I felt it, I have this similar disappointment trying to build PCs for relatives and friends.
But kudos to fixing it again this time.
Anyways would having a checklist of checks be efficient in going through all the errors?
A check list of fixes to go through from past fix or flop episodes
The PSU upgrade costs more than the whole system😂
I am a Mac and console guy. There is no reason why I should be so interested in this channel and series, but Greg makes it so interesting. This series has to be invaluable to PC people for troubleshooting their own rigs.
For me there's a lot of schadenfreude. :o :)
Absolutely awesome 👌
I laughed so hard when he went to boot for the (last time) so funny, Greg! 😂 Great video, my friend! Keep going strong!
Love the channel & playlist!
Logged in and see a new Greg upload? Gonna be a good day.
Appreciate everything you do for these PC owners.
Appreciate ya watching!
well i accidentally saw one of your videos few days ago and never stopped watching since , thanks for the content and integrity
The bit towards the end where it didn't work, I can SO relate. Finding what has to be the reason for a problem, fixing it, and then the thing still doesn't work is such a let down... and like you I've often found that yes, I did fix the problem, but then overlooked some stupid thing like a connector.
Great episode!
I recently helped a friend do a platform upgrade and definitely know your pain about self inflicted issues dragging out what seems like a simple process. Thanks for all you do for your local community and keeping it genuine with the repair process in these videos.
Watching this series helped me troubleshoot my own pc when i was first building it and ive been obsessed every since. Nice job figuring this headache out Greg.
Don't think you should feel too bad about upgrading the mainboard ... with that mangled USB socket I wouldn't have felt comfortable retunring it to the customer, even with the bent pins fixed and a new PSU. Job done well, IMHO. 👍🏻
I was thinking the same thing. It could go further south on its own, or the owner’s little brother might try to plug something in and wreck it completely.
@@AtomicAJ74Whenever I get to fix one like this I usually just pull/twist the tongues out from the broken USB socket to avoid it getting shorted again. Not everyone can afford a new motherboard and it will be 100% fine with one less USB port
make sure you tell the owner to install chipset for the new motherboard. it can cause issues sometimes.
TBH Greg...all of us system builders/rapairers have been through our glitches and garbage and that's how we learn. I have been building and repairing PC's since 2002 and over the years have learned a great deal. It's always a learning curve man with how PC tech is moving along. I Love IT!!
That face expression is priceless at 16:47 , Sheeeeeshh
I am the world’s worst for seeing one problem and missing others! Very good learning experience for all us PC builders and repair techs! Always appreciate you Greg!
Having built and supported computers for almost 40 years I recognize your problems. I've seen, made or both just about every stupid thing you can do to a computer. The number of times a customer complained over a MB not working and discovering bent or broken pins in the CPU socket was way to common to be comfortable. And close to everyone claimed they had done nothing to the socket.
*It was intersting that during this time I built far more than one thousand machines, and sure there were a few dead motherboards but I can't remember ever unpackaging a motherboard with the kind of damage our customers seemed to get.
My standard diagnosis in a situation like this would be minimizing the equipment in the machine. That is disconnect all storage and all expansion cards including the GPU. If it still won't POST try another PSU with just the motherboard attached.
It used to be that every motherboard had a onboard speaker or at least piezoelectric beeper. That can be critical when diagnosing a motherboard. Sure post code display digits are better, but we know how common those are. Un fortunately the beeping has been seen as "nasty" and people have either not attached the onboard speaker or the MB manufacturer didn't include one. So rip one of the speakers out of a old machine, solder some long leads and use it when the computer you're looking at doesn't have a speaker. do the same with a reset or power switch. It's way easier to attach a temporary power switch to the computer than juggling a screw driver.
Make sure you have a very simple graphics card, one that doesn't need a power connector is enough. Use this to swap out any graphics card in the machine. If it works you know that the users GPU might be the problem. Swapping in a real simple GPU takes seconds, it's worth it.
Try to keep a known good GPU at hand. Swapping the MB power can be a very quick way to eliminate the PSU as a problem.
I used to have a Zippy EMACS 460W PSU to test with. This might sound too small, but I booted a 8 CPU server on it once. This server had four 1KW redundant PSU modules, so it was rated at about 3 KW standard, but my test PSU got me to the POST screen at least.
This was an industrial grade PSU with just about no OCP protection. I blew components from some motherboards with it, but interestingly enough it seemed they tended to work after. This was most probably capacitators that capsized and shorted out. Blow enough amps at them and they would explode.
This is not a repair or even a quick fix, but it demonstrates just what the problems are.
If the machine still won't POST remove the motherboard from the computer and test it on the benchtop. This has depressingly often worked. Reasons has been loose screws under the MB, extra motherboard distances where there are no hole for the screws. A IT technician complained about the quality of our computers and required that we repaid them for all of them. Got him to send one in and found that he had removed the motherboard, removed the distances, screwed the motherboard directly to the case and now complained over the quality as the graphics card couldn't reach the socket reliably. This man had made sure the school bought all their computer equipment through his uncle. But these computers were bought when he was on vacation. He left the job short after this.
Now one of the most embarrassing MB errors ever was actually when a multinational company was designing a new control computer for a power damm. They bought a very advanced motherboard that was only manufactured to order by the manufacturer. They had a 19" server chassis specially designed and manufactured one, just one of them. The first motherboard behaved strangely so we got the manufacturer to send a second. This did the same, and at the same time their old motherboard tested 100% in all tests I could think of. So we cot a third motherboard, jumped into a car and drove for six or seven hours until we could look at the machine in their shop. That server was strange. Swapped PSU, no difference. Unplugged all but one DRAM and it worked!
tried to find the bad RAM but it behaved strangely. The tech swapped out the MB for our new one and it did the same things.
Set up their old MB on the desk, installed the memory, CPU's and everything and it worked fine.
Swapped that MB back into the server case and, no, it acted up again.
Now I knew something was really strange with the chassis, so I unmounted the motherboard, put the screws on the table counted the screws, counted the screw holes and they were the same 13 screws for the motherboard. Large server boards are a bit special here. So I counted the motherrboard distances in the case, 14. This isn't right!
Double checked every distance and found out that there was one extra, just under the memory slots on the motherboard. Turned out that when you installed the memory the memory bus on the motherboard could short out the against the distance. If you pulled on the memory modules it could work for a moment. Removing a module also tended to lighten the load allowing the machine to work.
The distances were not screwed into the chassis but riveted in place. I borrowed a drill and drilled down that distance to the plate and it solved their problem.
We looked at each other and decided that this was not what their boss needed to hear. So we invented some reason that sounded a little more advanced, but still made it look good without throwing their technician under the bus.
Well they were a multinational company building hydroelectric power dams all over the world, and the motherboard were pretty expensive at over two thousand dollar each to us. Some percent more to the customer.
YOU really are a nice guy. Giving away all these hardware to people and making alot of gamer kids happy , you doing god's work sir.
I was deathly afraid he was gonna replace the case. He did not! I love this case! What is it again?
I like the older hardware troubleshooting. This was from the generation I got into PC stuff. 1050Ti sounded so great when I had a 750Ti. The fixing skills that apply to this PC still apply to current stuff.
Greg's character is fantastic.
You're a role model and a repair man.
Always good to see someone make mistakes and own up to them -- that's how we learn. Thanks for the great content Greg.
Thanks for watching!
OMG Greg!, you are like the honest friend everyone deserves. You didn't need to replace the motherboard, however, you still did because you said you would on camera. EVEN THOUGH you could have easily edited the video and this still would have been a great episode. Greg, I commend your honesty!
Have to praise you for continuing with the upgrade. I think that was actually super cool of you and something most wouldn’t do now a days. GG Greg.
Respect.
Loved this accurate depiction of the hardware troubleshooting maze of variables. Full credit to you Greg for staying with the upgrade even though you didn't need to do it in the end (I wouldn't have trusted giving the old motherboard back with the USB ports like that)
Including a kit of RAM that's probably more expensive than the rest of the platform combined. Bold choice, Greg.
Hard to tell without getting closer to the USB port issue. However, it looks like it’s an issue with the IO shield. When the motherboard was put in the IO shield prongs were bent out and interfering with the port itself. some one may have tried to plug in a USB device or cable and bent the prong into the port. Removing the motherboard and bending the prongs back would fix that.
Greg, it is so refreshing to have someone with upstanding ethics like yourself. Also when a mistake is made you own it, for that I want to commend you. You my friend are a rare breed. Thank you for the great work you do, keep up the phenomenal work.
I love how genuine and honest these types of series are getting, hopefully sometime I can adapt a fix or flop series here in ph with this caliber!!
This is definitely my favorite series on UA-cam right now, no matter what I do, whenever I see that FoF thumbnail I immediately stop and watch it. Great episode once again Greg!
This series should never end!😊
That feeling you had when it didn't start and the screen went white and black. I have felt that trying to fix my dead first rig. I felt it on an emotional level.
I love the fix or flop series. It's so satisfying to see a working system again.
Client "I don't know what happened, have taken good care of this PC"
Me: "Gee I wonder what's wrong, maybe the busted USB port?!?!?!?!"
16:35 I related so much to that "oh no". That heart sinking feeling when something doesn't post when it should, sadly I am all too familiar with it.
I'm so glad I got my mother's PC (hardware mostly from 2011) running and working last 2022 after sitting in a cabinet for I don't know how many years already. Just took a new PSU, an SSD, and some fans. I'm amazed by these tech lasting the test of time. Great work as always Greg and happy for the viewer's new hardware. 🎉
I've been building my own custom gaming configurations for over 40 years & I love this Channel. You can always learn more :)
i am addicted to this series. I need 5 videos a day, Thank you:=)
That "now what" look at 16:22 LOL
This was a fun one. Keep it up man!
It's an honor you making these videos, and probably even helping your viewers with solutions to their own problems :)
16:46 that’s a Charles Leclerc face right there
Great video as always, I originally thought this was just a dead CMOS battery, but that USB port and bent CPU pins really did a number
The only youtube channel about PCs that is worthy these days! Thx Greg
I see a Fix or Flop on my Homepage, I click on it. I'm a simple man. I enjoy these very much!
I love this series and seeing all the mistakes. Watching them helped me troubleshoot my last few builds and I've been able to teach my brother to build his own PC, so your knowledge has been really beneficial for my family ❤️ thanks so much for posting these!
I love this series!!! Given me the confidence to help friends diagnose problems with their rigs and have been successful in doing so. Thanks Greg. 😄
Amazed that a few bent pins caused all the issues here. And you were actually able to fix it. Good job. Fixing computers is always a trial-and-error event. Sometimes it goes really smoothly and sometimes, not so much. But in the end you have given this user a decent upgrade that they can upgrade some more later down the line. I'm sure the customers little brother will be very happy with this PC now.
Hello Greg, I’m a avid viewer of the fix or flip series and I just want to say thank you for the content cause it helped me build my first pc and it runs awesome from the things I’ve learned from you helping viewers like me. Keep up the great work and Thank You again.
For going ahead with the replacement after figuring out the issue I gave you a like!! Southern people are so nice.
The world could definitely do with a few more Greg Salazars. Really enjoy all your videos Greg, all best to you.
Just keep being you. This video is a great example of why I am many others enjoy these so much.
Huge props for leaving your screw ups in the video! Alot of people would have cut to the fixing of pins and leaving the upgrades out... If that alone does not encourage a like and sub, I do not know what would?
Fix or flop or spin the wheel and win money to build a PC are just brilliant.
I love that Greg never checks where the power button is beforehand.
You should definitely have a check list for all future episodes. 1. Physical Inspection 2. Does it have power 3 . Inspect CPU Socket
Good call Greg, honestly I wouldn't trust that motherboard anymore and I love the fact that you always own up when you make a mistake. Great video, you just made his younger brother very happy.
The best part of the video was the nuke. lol Ok it was pretty funny. Man sitting through these videos brings back many memories. I love watching these though to keep my own mind sharp and to live vicariously (and sometimes laugh at) Greg and his antics.
That build is full of nostalgia. Reminds me of my first build around 2015
You are a decent human being. Not many of those left. Kudos to you and this series!
This video will help out a lot of people who would not normally check the pins on the CPU socket. I wonder how many MOBO's have been thrown out as faulty without having the CPU socket pins checked first.
Love the ability to fix/upgrade/reuse old equipment and it also is a troubleshooting help guide.
With that USB issue on the motherboard and knowing it could short out and cause more issues, it was the best decision to just change out the board. Quite possibly they might forget and stick another thumb drive in it and short it out again. Excellent video as always!
I'm glad you fix it up and got it sorted out working, good on you Greg your customers gonna be happy😅
I suspect the viewer lied to you! Dodgy USB port, bent pins. They do not just happen! You are a legend Greg! You should charge him!
Love this series and love how earnest you are when it comes to these replacement parts and fixing the issue. I think a full MB replacement was the call here either way :). Hope to see you grow to 1 million this year man! Cheers from Amsterdam
I have felt your pain with the fan clipping your hand. Love your channel. it's helped me with my own issues and other people's pc's
Learned so much from watching this series. Thankfully I've never had to diagnose my rig, yet.
as I have seen nobody comment on this yet: the damage to the 5V rail on the power supply could be from the USB Port as this is also 5V, so a shortened USB Port might have killed this part of the supply, although the supply should have protections against that
That mobo was on its way out anyways. That needle fix will only work for so long since the pins are weakened. Love all your videos. Keep on killin it!
Nothing like coming home from a long day of work to a new episode of FOF. Love you greg!!!
Well, seeing that fan stop spinning when the HDMI is plugged in, we can safely rule out the owner just angling for an upgrade. LOL
It's all good, Greg! Now, the user has a new platform, a usable USB port, and a new PSU! Its a win win. Cheers!
Sadly I've been away from your videos for far too long. Happy to see you still doing well
Welcome back, Matty!
Been watching since season 1 when i built my first PC. Seeing all of the issues that can happen inside of said PCs helped me build mine with no issues. Thank you Greg!
Definitely worth watching series on UA-cam especially for people who love to fix friends and family PCs....hope more people watch this to give you and your sponsors the financial incentive !
Nice one Greg. You helped make the little brother's birthday even more awesome!
I genuinely admire these people having a pc for so long just because it was working ''fine''. I upgrade my pc every 2 years.... not a whole thing but.... its either a new gpu.. a new cpu.... new case fans... a faster ssd.... I guess it's easier when you dont have kids
I upgrade a lot but most of my components for the last few years are still living on in Friends' PCs because just because I can afford to upgrade doesn't mean everyone can. I even recently had someone give me back my old GTX760 because they were finally able to upgrade so now I guess I have a graphics card I can use for fault diagnosis
love this playlist cause as an IT professional when you think you've seen them all. trust me you haven't
Congrats Greg! Another great job and happy "customer".
*bending pins tip...*
I recommend you use a thin piece of PLASTIC like a credit card shape that's thin enough. Line up an entire ROW and nudge the bent pin in the right direction. Then rotate 90 degrees and repeat until they are properly spaced. This helps ensure you can't push the pin too far as all the OTHER pins help stop the plastic. When they are TOUCHING this is harder, so you may have to manually push that single pin just enough to slide the card in.
i get so happy when i see a new Fix or Flop episode
Hello! Love your videos, greetings from Portugal! Keep up the good work
Greg, troubleshooting is always random, & the slightest thing can shoot you off in weird dead-ends. You kept your word & that is very commendable. The guy's USB slot was trash, & those bent pins may not survive the journey back home.
So we call this a fail still in my book. At the end of the day only original components left was a damn gpu, case, and storage.
beautiful mobo + decent powersupply which much more than the system need...Congrats greg for solving the problem.