Forgetting to turn on power strips, not plugging in HDMI, hitting head on the garage door. Gotta love Greg's committment to showing that he's just a regular person like anyone else.
As a tech myself for over 30 yrs. I can say that protocol is the most valuable tool in the chest, otherwise we're just guessing out of order. Great work, I expect nothing less here.
My guess? The video card was shorting 12v->Gnd and putting the power supply into protection mode. When you pulled it out without cycling the power supply's switch, it stayed in protection mode. Once you cut power and flipped it back on, it reset itself and powered right up.
Hi Greg, nice video as usual. About the failures turning the system on: if a component - in this case the gpu - has a short, when you start the system with it plugged in, it may trigger psu protections, specially SCP but also OTP, OCC and OVP, that's why you have to remove the component, turn the psu off / on and try again to reset the triggered protection. Peace and long life! 🖖
Troubleshooting complex multi-layer electronics can be REALLY difficult & confusing. I really like how you keep all the awkward trial & error tries in to show everyone that fixing is all about, 'does this work?' a thousand times until it's the last most weirdest thing you would never think of.
It was clearly a short from the beginning and power supplies will typically require the power to be disconnected to reset the short protection so, yes, even fixing the short won't typically power on within first disconnecting the power. This goes for all power supplies with the proper protections.
I actually had software for a fan controller cause my system to crash hard randomly. Idle or gaming didn't matter, just shut off (had to turn off power supply for 5 sec to get it to startup). Guess it was messing with the interrupts on my motherboard. Had to send those back. Took me a couple days to figure out cause that was a new one on me.
Nice to see the board is still working after the GPU arcing by the PCI-E slot 12:00, would be nice to see you taking it apart to see what is going on there.
I don't think that was any arcing, if you're talking between the PCI-E slot and the board, looks like its a change in lighting when he moves his hand, you can tell as there is a light source before hand then after the "Arcing" you see just black when his hand is over it.
I'm sorry but do you not have something better to say? You just comment word plays on every TYC and Salazar video, and unfortunately UA-cam doesn't allow us to block you... By now this has gone way past being borderline spam, and is just undoubtedly spam. Of course I can't expect you to listen to me, but since there is no way for me to hide your comments, I would certainly appreciate if if you stopped doing this...
@@hman6159 I know, and trust me I am not happy to post such a comment. Ignoring is what I've done for the past years. However, the reason I finally decided to speak up is because it has frankly become too obnoxious for me to ignore. Not only has this continued for years now, but it's become more frequent the past months. Seemingly on every video from Bryan (Tech YES City) and Greg now.
I'm a huge fan, this series has helped me so much, not just learning to troubleshoot but even thru depression and life issues, so thank you. On a positive note tho, thanks to these vids, I recently built a new PC and no picture, all new parts. Knew after a RAM swap that it was a new GPU issue... after using it on a working test bench. Microcenter tested it, broken hdmi port, they swapped it and PC works all good now, thank you x3000. ❤
I'm glad that I am not the only person who makes bunches of silly little mistakes when troubleshooting computers. I guess we just get stuck in our heads so much while troubleshooting that we forget to do little things.
An important note on testing with this board: I own this same motherboard and the lower PCIe slot is an x4 sharing lanes with the M.2 NVME slot. The viewer has a SSD in that M.2 which is supposed to disable the PCIe slot, so connecting the video card to that slot while the SSD was installed shouldn't have been expected to give reliable results. In this case it probably worked out because power is delivered to the slot even if the PCIe lanes aren't up. But if it had worked it wouldn't necessarily mean the upper slot was defective; it still could have been the card.
I worked for Millersville University for 32 years (retired). One of the satellite network rooms had the seals break on a window near the network gear. Now, if you want to talk about water damage… Kudos to the network guys. They had replacement gear in place and running in 2 hours.
How on earth does a pc get water damaged? Unless it's on the floor when a flood hits, I can't imagine how water could ever come in contact with one. After spending almost £2000 on mine, I get paranoid enough about it getting dusty inside!
Leaky roof or a broken water pipe somewhere above the PC, or accidentally spilling water on top of the tower if it's on the floor next to your desk. And of course if you have a water cooler then that could leak too, though the PC in the video was air cooled.
You're a Beamer Boy too! Awesome. It seems that the owner may have been reckless with getting water in an air cooled setup. Nice to see this person doesn't need to reinvest in a new rig and may have learned a valuable lesseon.
That was an interesting problem to be solved, and nice to see that you do that little extra to clean out dust. Also, thats a very nice hardware setup. 2700x + 1660super is good for high 1080p. Looking forward to the next video.
Very surprised knowing your normal diligence that you dived into that non-methodical rabbit hole. But at least you recognised your mistake, acknowledged it and went back around. Nice to see some honesty on a video ❤👍
Im so glad I watch your videos. I just bought a 4060 (i think?) gpu and when I saw the brand "zotac gaming" i wasnt familiar with it but bought it anyway (3 days ago). So far it works great and now that I see you installing one I can rest assured that you feel confident enough to use it aswell. PS: I almost requested your help diagnosing this PC as I dont live too far from Orlando, but luckily I watch enough of your videos and was able to sort it out myself and fixed it! Thanks Greg! Youre the best!
Awesome Greg I think its more the tab shorted out the video card. Check its board Iam pretty sure you will find a burnt out chip. Keep the videos coming always enjoy them.
This was a good video. Have you considered disassembling the faulty GPU and giving it a look over to see if maybe some residual water is still there? Couldn't hurt to check it out and attempt to repair it.
Hi Greg, My steps would be to test the wiring using an LED power tester. Place a remote on-off power cable on the MB power pins. It has a remote micro switch and is much safer than using a screwdriver; you only need to connect it once. Whenever the CMOS shows a message that my PC's time is wrong and needs to be corrected, I always change out the CMOS battery and place it in a new one. I always tape a new battery inside my case. I realize my comment was unrelated to this fix, but it's nice to know for a PC problem.
Greg - now you know why I have boot devices handy for troubleshooting; I especially like having a Ventoy key with several test and OS options to try. I trust the original MS Windows boot drives not at all.
I work for IT and I can confidently say that you swapping that CMOS battery was a good thing, Ive had several cases where a low voltage CMOS battery prevented systems from booting into windows. kinda strange but definetly something that goes overlooked, good on you for checking.
10 years ago someone at work I knew couldn't get any life out of his pc. I told him to replace the cmos as a last ditch effort and that actually fixed it. Which is really bizzare but it's kind of a " hey takes 10seconds might as well try"
I faced the exact same issue. Gpu short prevented the system from powering on. it also needs a bios reset after removing the short. That's why it worked after removing and reinstalling cmos battery.
5:19 look at the left side by the pcie slot and just chips in general, you can see where water may have landed in multiple spots. Although they are so perfectly on the chips that it looks purposeful.
The short powering on and nearly instant powering off of the system is (usually) the short circuit/overcurrent protection of the PSU tripping, which takes either a full restart of the PSU (e.g. switching the switch on it off and on again) or waiting until it resets (If it has tripped, it takes some time to recover, so you can't instantly turn on the system after tripping it) in order to power on again.
It would be interesting to see if there is sediment inside the graphics card which has shorted the board. May as well have a look as this might give you a replacement gpu for an other Fix or Flop episode. I am sure that other viewers like myself find the series interesting and entertaining.
The last time i repaired my pc, it was the CMOS battery itself. I live in a very humid climate and it was known that the battery itself can die faster over time.
highly likely the video card has a dead short on the 12V and the PSU goes into protection and that's why it works after you disconnect the 8pin power and reset the power supply but will not work when only disconnecting 8pin but not resetting the PSU
GPU got water damage, could still be salvaged. try cleaning it out making sure no corrosion on the board exist. had encountered the same thing, just giving it a clean removing corrosion on some parts (very small but still corroded) and it worked again. I cleaned the one I had w/ alcohol and some soft toothbrush making sure every nook and cranny was touched. Worth the try.
@@GregSalazar yup but you did have a way to go about it vs just trying stuff as you do now and going back and forth until it works. No offense meant or implemented but it was something I was really impressed with
I saw some "clean spots" on the backside of that graphics card when you first showed it at 5:20 when you first pulled it out and that was probably the evidence of the water intrusion. The water sometimes may not leave visible corrosion but if the card was previously been a bit dusty from being in a rig for awhile "clean spots" in the dust could indicate areas where water disturbed that dust. ;) Of coarse you might have simply happened to have gripped the card there at some point previously when handling it but I don't know if you had touched that area before showing it.
Forgetting to turn on power strips, not plugging in HDMI, hitting head on the garage door. Gotta love Greg's committment to showing that he's just a regular person like anyone else.
Honestly, at this point I'm starting to think they're doing it on purpose for some extra entertainment. xd
@@gorziusno, I also forgot to turn on power and not plugging hdmi 😂
As a tech myself for over 30 yrs. I can say that protocol is the most valuable tool in the chest, otherwise we're just guessing out of order. Great work, I expect nothing less here.
Have no idea how many places use a script and the guys follow it like it's a bible line for line so annoying 🤦♂️
My guess? The video card was shorting 12v->Gnd and putting the power supply into protection mode. When you pulled it out without cycling the power supply's switch, it stayed in protection mode. Once you cut power and flipped it back on, it reset itself and powered right up.
Hi Greg, nice video as usual. About the failures turning the system on: if a component - in this case the gpu - has a short, when you start the system with it plugged in, it may trigger psu protections, specially SCP but also OTP, OCC and OVP, that's why you have to remove the component, turn the psu off / on and try again to reset the triggered protection.
Peace and long life! 🖖
Troubleshooting complex multi-layer electronics can be REALLY difficult & confusing. I really like how you keep all the awkward trial & error tries in to show everyone that fixing is all about, 'does this work?' a thousand times until it's the last most weirdest thing you would never think of.
It was clearly a short from the beginning and power supplies will typically require the power to be disconnected to reset the short protection so, yes, even fixing the short won't typically power on within first disconnecting the power. This goes for all power supplies with the proper protections.
I actually had software for a fan controller cause my system to crash hard randomly. Idle or gaming didn't matter, just shut off (had to turn off power supply for 5 sec to get it to startup). Guess it was messing with the interrupts on my motherboard. Had to send those back. Took me a couple days to figure out cause that was a new one on me.
I will never stop watching the fixing videos. thanks
Nice to see the board is still working after the GPU arcing by the PCI-E slot 12:00, would be nice to see you taking it apart to see what is going on there.
How the hell did you even see that? I had to rewind playback three times before I saw it.
@@oldtimergaming9514 same, I don't know how they saw that. Greg really needs to see this.
hmmm i hope it doesn't kill the new gpu in that rig in the future
I don't think that was any arcing, if you're talking between the PCI-E slot and the board, looks like its a change in lighting when he moves his hand, you can tell as there is a light source before hand then after the "Arcing" you see just black when his hand is over it.
@@vExtracTz you could be right, i say the best way to find out is to still take it apart and see for sure.
your content just keep getting better and better mr greg
That Alienware PC looks like Darth Vader's tombstone
And him hitting his head onto the garage door seems like an homage to Starwars trooper hitting his head :)
Heh thats a fun way to see it but flattering in a way
0:15 Actually I don't think a lot of people have this issue (for PC)... But still very helpful for all electrical devices.
Greg is not just fixing hardware. He's also sending me my fix for his fixing content.
I'm sorry but do you not have something better to say? You just comment word plays on every TYC and Salazar video, and unfortunately UA-cam doesn't allow us to block you... By now this has gone way past being borderline spam, and is just undoubtedly spam. Of course I can't expect you to listen to me, but since there is no way for me to hide your comments, I would certainly appreciate if if you stopped doing this...
@@HazewinDogor you could just scroll past his comments lol
@@HazewinDogby any chance your real name is Karen?
@@hman6159 I know, and trust me I am not happy to post such a comment. Ignoring is what I've done for the past years. However, the reason I finally decided to speak up is because it has frankly become too obnoxious for me to ignore. Not only has this continued for years now, but it's become more frequent the past months. Seemingly on every video from Bryan (Tech YES City) and Greg now.
Bro take it easy. @@HazewinDog
Well, at least he got a small upgrade and a working PC. Good episode as always, Greg!
These videos are very Informative
Keep up with these informative videos
Thanks Greg
Thanks for watching!
I'm a huge fan, this series has helped me so much, not just learning to troubleshoot but even thru depression and life issues, so thank you. On a positive note tho, thanks to these vids, I recently built a new PC and no picture, all new parts. Knew after a RAM swap that it was a new GPU issue... after using it on a working test bench. Microcenter tested it, broken hdmi port, they swapped it and PC works all good now, thank you x3000. ❤
You’re wrong Greg. I have a complete hardware garden growing in my backyard 😂
I have robust hardware trees and beautiful memory bushes, ram flowers and and led trees and i have one gig cpu tree😂
I get triggered by you keep starting the m/b with the cpu fan off.
16:11 It was at this point that I thought, "Is that monitor even turned on? Because there's not even like... a glow from the backlight."
Another great video. I never get tired of watching these.
love the videos man. good to see ppl helping others in one shape or form
Kept me company during the tornados touching down in my area! Good repair!
Having an extra set of hardware is such a godsend in troubleshooting
Good job Greg! I've been down that rabbit hole too many times lol. Glad the pc is up and running!
I'm glad that I am not the only person who makes bunches of silly little mistakes when troubleshooting computers. I guess we just get stuck in our heads so much while troubleshooting that we forget to do little things.
Great one! Fix or Flop is getting better and better. Love the serie!
Thanks for the laughs this episode. Such an entertaining series.
13:10 I've been using my extra long BeQuiet Screwdriver as a back scratcher for years. It really is awesome.
Awesome Work Greg!
You are the best. Saludos desde la Isla de Puerto Rico
Thanks a ton for watching!
The bloopers have to be the best part of this video who agrees? LOL
This shows just how hard it can be to fix a computer if it has multiple issues. Great fix Greg : ) x
Hey Greg, love the videos, please continue this series i have learned a lot from this.
An important note on testing with this board: I own this same motherboard and the lower PCIe slot is an x4 sharing lanes with the M.2 NVME slot. The viewer has a SSD in that M.2 which is supposed to disable the PCIe slot, so connecting the video card to that slot while the SSD was installed shouldn't have been expected to give reliable results.
In this case it probably worked out because power is delivered to the slot even if the PCIe lanes aren't up. But if it had worked it wouldn't necessarily mean the upper slot was defective; it still could have been the card.
Another good one, always good info. I see an ForF vid popup, immediate click. Greg's crack to the cranium by a RISING door, was priceless.
18:51 wow look at you, you finally acquired a proper taste in German Engineering. Finally a BMW
I worked for Millersville University for 32 years (retired). One of the satellite network rooms had the seals break on a window near the network gear. Now, if you want to talk about water damage… Kudos to the network guys. They had replacement gear in place and running in 2 hours.
Crazy! I'm watching a MAJOR Golf tourney and this video popped up so now I'm watching 2 screens! Love these Greg video's YEAH Golf and Greg
I see a fix or flop. I click, I watch, I like, I comment, algorithm boost to always keep these around
OMG that was an amazing BLOOPER, but yea it sucks when a GPU breaks
It would be interesting to send that card to Northwestrepair to see what broke, if it's fixable one of these times.
That Bmw m2 peaking out the garage thooo.....Fire
>20 minutes
Thank goodness, a lengthy one! Excited for the watch.
Great job Greg, another informative video!
Always entertaining and informative. Keep it up!
How on earth does a pc get water damaged? Unless it's on the floor when a flood hits, I can't imagine how water could ever come in contact with one. After spending almost £2000 on mine, I get paranoid enough about it getting dusty inside!
Accidents happen sadly
Leaky roof or a broken water pipe somewhere above the PC, or accidentally spilling water on top of the tower if it's on the floor next to your desk. And of course if you have a water cooler then that could leak too, though the PC in the video was air cooled.
I witness that everyday at work! The best one was a dell workstation spilled with a full cup of Latte ! They use them as their Beverage table!
Kids 😀
New drinking game. Every time Greg says "Jank" take a shot.
You're a Beamer Boy too! Awesome. It seems that the owner may have been reckless with getting water in an air cooled setup. Nice to see this person doesn't need to reinvest in a new rig and may have learned a valuable lesseon.
That was an interesting problem to be solved, and nice to see that you do that little extra to clean out dust.
Also, thats a very nice hardware setup. 2700x + 1660super is good for high 1080p.
Looking forward to the next video.
Very surprised knowing your normal diligence that you dived into that non-methodical rabbit hole. But at least you recognised your mistake, acknowledged it and went back around. Nice to see some honesty on a video ❤👍
Im so glad I watch your videos. I just bought a 4060 (i think?) gpu and when I saw the brand "zotac gaming" i wasnt familiar with it but bought it anyway (3 days ago). So far it works great and now that I see you installing one I can rest assured that you feel confident enough to use it aswell.
PS: I almost requested your help diagnosing this PC as I dont live too far from Orlando, but luckily I watch enough of your videos and was able to sort it out myself and fixed it! Thanks Greg! Youre the best!
good fix, glad it wasn't catastrophic due to big water damage
Awesome Greg I think its more the tab shorted out the video card. Check its board Iam pretty sure you will find a burnt out chip. Keep the videos coming always enjoy them.
i knew something bad would happen with that slow motion walk from the garage door i was just waiting for it
The stormtrooper head bonk was hilarious.
16:31 The Greatest PC Technician That Ever Live !! 😁😁
My favourite series!
This was a good video. Have you considered disassembling the faulty GPU and giving it a look over to see if maybe some residual water is still there? Couldn't hurt to check it out and attempt to repair it.
Love your work Greg and friends 😊
This series helped me so many times I stopped counting 😅
I have leran something today unconventional thanks for that keep it coming
Man you could’ve given him a 2600 and scored yourself a free 2700x
Hi Greg, My steps would be to test the wiring using an LED power tester. Place a remote on-off power cable on the MB power pins. It has a remote micro switch and is much safer than using a screwdriver; you only need to connect it once. Whenever the CMOS shows a message that my PC's time is wrong and needs to be corrected, I always change out the CMOS battery and place it in a new one. I always tape a new battery inside my case. I realize my comment was unrelated to this fix, but it's nice to know for a PC problem.
The moment that he has a G87 M2...it's glorious, though the headbanging he suffered is still funny😂
That's why I don't let any of my teachers have drinks on their desks
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing...
Greg - now you know why I have boot devices handy for troubleshooting; I especially like having a Ventoy key with several test and OS options to try. I trust the original MS Windows boot drives not at all.
that windows updates remindes me of the scene of netfilx series sapce force by john malkovich cursing microsoft update while lunching roket into space
Great job Greg.
That helmet hair protected your skull... LOL! 😝
Poor garage door bouncing off of Greg's hair! 😂
The Kramer hair prevented damage to both, cranium and garage door... Kidding! Love Greg's videos.
And again another great video! Almost therapeutic to watch :)
I work for IT and I can confidently say that you swapping that CMOS battery was a good thing, Ive had several cases where a low voltage CMOS battery prevented systems from booting into windows. kinda strange but definetly something that goes overlooked, good on you for checking.
If the battery causes such a thing. It be nice for the board to have a error code to tell the user. Or even a dedicated beep code or light for it.
I've had systems run fine without a CMOS battery, the only issue is the incorrect date and some settings default.
10 years ago someone at work I knew couldn't get any life out of his pc. I told him to replace the cmos as a last ditch effort and that actually fixed it. Which is really bizzare but it's kind of a " hey takes 10seconds might as well try"
I faced the exact same issue. Gpu short prevented the system from powering on. it also needs a bios reset after removing the short. That's why it worked after removing and reinstalling cmos battery.
That M2 😍😍😍😍😍 congrats on the car Greg!
5:19 look at the left side by the pcie slot and just chips in general, you can see where water may have landed in multiple spots. Although they are so perfectly on the chips that it looks purposeful.
A couple of short circuits will kill a system.
Nice video Greg!
Raymond's slow clap 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
The short powering on and nearly instant powering off of the system is (usually) the short circuit/overcurrent protection of the PSU tripping, which takes either a full restart of the PSU (e.g. switching the switch on it off and on again) or waiting until it resets (If it has tripped, it takes some time to recover, so you can't instantly turn on the system after tripping it) in order to power on again.
i LOL @ the head bump sorry Greg 😁
It would be interesting to see if there is sediment inside the graphics card which has shorted the board. May as well have a look as this might give you a replacement gpu for an other Fix or Flop episode. I am sure that other viewers like myself find the series interesting and entertaining.
Found this frustrating. I won’t comment further but good work I guess. Got it up and running and that’s the end result you want.
Great video as always
LOL! Love the video Greg.... I've been down this road several times!
Awesome fix Greg!
Yes, that bent tab on the Display port did short out the Motherboard to Ground.
Feel like there was a real missed opportunity for a "Storm Trooper hitting his head" sounds effect.
The moment when Greg hit his head at garage door: in style we die
Nice head bunt into the garage door!
The last time i repaired my pc, it was the CMOS battery itself. I live in a very humid climate and it was known that the battery itself can die faster over time.
It should power up with a completely dead CMOS battery. Weird that a bad GPU would cause a complete non-power-up. Nice Stormtrooper move, Greg.
I think the head bump will now help Greg remember that he disconnects cables that should be connected. lol
You should save the goof ups for a bloopers reel. LOL!
Great video Greg.
Gotta verify bro, thats just due diligence.👍
highly likely the video card has a dead short on the 12V and the PSU goes into protection and that's why it works after you disconnect the 8pin power and reset the power supply
but will not work when only disconnecting 8pin but not resetting the PSU
GPU got water damage, could still be salvaged. try cleaning it out making sure no corrosion on the board exist. had encountered the same thing, just giving it a clean removing corrosion on some parts (very small but still corroded) and it worked again. I cleaned the one I had w/ alcohol and some soft toothbrush making sure every nook and cranny was touched. Worth the try.
That was truly confusing. Would you mind getting back to your standard procedure?
Standard procedure? To what are you referring? We fixed the rig.
@@GregSalazar yup but you did have a way to go about it vs just trying stuff as you do now and going back and forth until it works. No offense meant or implemented but it was something I was really impressed with
Greg being caught off guard.
LOL the Windows Update was great timing.
Checking power supply first??? We like that 😂
Is it me or has the connecting motherboards to case via pins not really changed much since they were a thing
Time to buy a multimeter ! It take 20 second to check between 12v and ground for a low ohm resistance on gfx molex connector.
I saw some "clean spots" on the backside of that graphics card when you first showed it at 5:20 when you first pulled it out and that was probably the evidence of the water intrusion. The water sometimes may not leave visible corrosion but if the card was previously been a bit dusty from being in a rig for awhile "clean spots" in the dust could indicate areas where water disturbed that dust. ;)
Of coarse you might have simply happened to have gripped the card there at some point previously when handling it but I don't know if you had touched that area before showing it.