Excellent notes. You have collected feedback from the community and put together a great video like all the others you are used to make. A big hug, bro
One additional point - make the NPCs older and grittier. They are too pretty and young. Also not really looking like stupid assholes, but kind office workers who just came from a barber. Diego looks great. More Diego.
11:02 This is how combat should look like, the archers in the distance shooting the player all at once while the melee enemies attack him from up close. In practice they probably do 10 damage per hit after chapter 2 while you one shot them with Scar's Sword.
Yeah seems about right but making Diego a bit younger is a good call imo. Damn I was so broken when I saw him old and fragile in Gothic 3 or even in Arcania.
Something super small. Super nitpicky. The bird flying in the background is probably just a placeholder, but birds don't fly with their legs stretched out.
The wisest choice that they can make with the orcs is to simply slap some fur on them and the current hairless model give tho Gorn. Two birds with one stone. 13:17 Honestly i haven't even spotted them in this scene, only in the other one when you could also see the droplets run down the screen. That being said I think that the effect is subtle enough for the game.
There's also the inconsistent speed of combat. In the start of the trailer we see a trained nameless hero attacking with a one handed sword. And the attack was slick and fast (which it should be). However there was another scene where a trained digger from the Old Camp was attacking the player with a one handed club. But boy those attacks were so slow and telegraphed. I'm not sure if they are implementing different attack speeds depending on the kind of weapon being used
I believe the whole players feedback and necessity to please everyone no matter what these days does more harm than good, let the artist do his thing, and either it turns out to be sh1t or not, but seems to me the modern ways dont result in many masterpieces
@@natbromden5838 time and time again big studios don't listen to fans and their games turn out to be of lesser quality. Without criticism we would still be stuck with the PTs version of a remake. I am convinced that most criticism comes from a place of love.
You're making a game for the fans. How you can come to the conclusion that the "artist" has any right to change something to their vision instead of your fans is mindboggling, even quantum computing would result in an error.
@@vertigo7082 saw it yeah. like i said idk how they looked at the OG gothic stuff and was like "how do we make this more extreme" which just doesn't fit gothic as its not a bs high fantasy slop...but yeah gothic suffers from the lack of world building and the redcons in EVERY F GAME
Great feedback, esp the water on the screen, it is not just about visibility but also about breaking immersion. You are not looking at the world through some lenses, right? The hero doesnt wear glasses.
10:54 , combat scenes from the trailer are too short to judge to be fair. In this time in the video you can see all of them are either attacking or drawing their weapons, so it might not represent what combat looks like at all. In the next scene you show from the OG, you can see only 2 of the bandits attack you in melee and the rest stand still using the bow. They don't all come at you.
my biggest issue from what I've seen in the trailer is the flora. Compared to the original, it feels more... like an Alps landscape? I mean, the valley in the original game felt like a wild countryside. Not the same vibe here. Also, compared to the surrounding countryside, the woods felt like actual forests: dense, with so many trees that the light barely made it underneath, the woods gave the vibe of an actual ecosystem in Gothic, you could feel it was a radically different ambience when you entered the woods. It was so immersive. I don't think they nailed it from what I've seen in the trailer.
1:20 they said 2 new biomes some time ago... but never explained. so its possibly on the other hand this guard looks in light armour. how was that heavy armour defeated by pickaxe? 6:50 i think they even mentioned of possible new enemies... i wonder if that means something out of G2 or something else completely... or was just... um... something to confuse people.
Well we theoretically did see some "new enemies". There was a scene in the showcase where the player was fighting wargs. Wargs were not introduced until G2 and the first game had orc dogs
@@jebise1126 nah the wargs weren't there at all. Most people have played so many mods that they've forgotten the actual vanilla experience. The orc dogs acted as wargs in the first game and were later supplanted by wargs in G2. For that matter we never see orc dogs in G3 either. Archolos mixes them both though
You joking? The visibility drops at night are amazing! I loved how I needed to use torches during night and when I was out of torches I was happy that a thunderstorm started so I can see bits of the road! This MUST BE in game! 100%! I may confuse it with Risen 1, but I am pretty sure it was also in old gothics. And when I was being attacked at night I was dropping the torch down to still light around so I can see who the hell I am fighting against! :) Love that crap.
i think orcs are fine of course they would look better if they keept they monkeyness, i like very much new elite orc armor (looks more like something done by less skilled than humans orc blacksmith)
I’m so tired of the vocal minority getting what they want. Only very few vocal people on the discord (and even less so on Reddit) complained about the stained glass. I like it. They Shiism keep it. They also need to bring Gothic 1 and 2 more in line. Also the mages and monastery are based on European Christian medieval culture and aesthetics.
6:37 why does it kinda look like the 98 godzilla, also what about the other monsters/wildlife? will they all get remade to look closer to the original so there is at least slight resemblance? since the scavanger looks way to much like a raptor and we already have like 4 of those (snapper, razor biter, and dragon snapper) and only one bird which is the scavanger
@@jebise1126 that's not a lurker. most probably a razor or mabye (less likely) a dragon snapper. that is not a lurker since this razor can be seen in a very dry place with no water source (where razors normaly are like for example jharkendar the canyon). also lurkers should be green or yellow atleast to fit the original more otherwise you couldnt make a connection of that being a lurker since aperantly everything has teeth now and looks like a dinosour, not even bloodflies were spared.
@@5chneemensch138 would make sense. yet again aperantly someone said kai (the guy who makes the music) said that they have a list of the things that need to be fixed that are being complained about. hopefully they actually try to listen to the critisism and not the guys saying everything is perfect when it is far from being so and will attack anyone with slightest critisism. due to the trailer i see community split (atleast on some platforms) between people who want changes and people who want no changes at all using "logic" for reasoning when that logic makes no sense especially for the swamp camp to have candles since you need wax for said candles and constantly need to be bought over and over again instead of using ore in a place that already is extremely damp. though i hope they dont fail the only thing we have close to a remake otherwise we wont have anything for a while again.
That nugget of ore is probably one tone in the swamp Yes Gothic if full of occult, so put that symbols on windows instead some random caterdal> Gorn also talking about muscles in the orginal gam, so skinny Gorn is ROFL. I like crouching but please no pidermen Imho. Also they shold may different models of rhe animals, not make 365 lisard type.
So for me, two things. 1. Why the hell does Milten looks like Todd Howard (7:44). That must be changed, it's total immersion breaker for me. 2. I am okay with that stained glass window, but the figures depicted on it should not be people with halos. There could be Innos or some heroic paladin, mage or something like that there, but in Gothic religion there are no saints, so there should not be depicted in the art.
No Christian Themes? Who came up with this cope? The mages are in a medieval monastery and the paladins literally have a Red Cross on their front armour lol
Many people complain about just that. Gothic 2 was a huge departure in terms of themes. Having Paladins and monasteries is fine, just make it more in line with Gothics original dark and occult vision.
I would love if the game pace would feel like the old gothic , smoothfast movements and i teraction keeping you atracted to the game, too many animation and slow start of running and long rotations would make it feel toodiferent and ruin the nostalgia
The wet effect is something nice to have. I mean why so radical about it? If it's there already then just make an option to turn it on/off and everyone is happy that way. Even in the og games we could tweak some special options like wind, cloud shadows, etc. Perfect options' section for a thing like that.
You're neither wearing a helmet in fp nor is someone following you with a camera. Water flowing down the screen is the dumbest thing you could add right after bloom, lens flare and motion blur.
@@5chneemensch138 and yet you have options to turn these things on or off. What I'm saying is if it's there already just make an option for people who'd like to use this effect. You don't have to.
@@LieutenantGruber 95% of people don't change options. Having the correct options by default is immeasurably important. Most devs actually do NOT give you a choice. The majority of time it is hidden behind "post processing" which says literally nothing and is either all or nothing.
@@5chneemensch138 why worry about 95% of people for whom options are beyond their skills? Let's hope these devs will give us options instead of forcing us into one true way of thought. ;) ;) ;)
its not made by PB, its made by some homosexual studio in Barcelona why the F**k would you even considering playing this NOTGOTHIC "remake" you want a remake, slap some mods in or play the Othello mod
PB was a complete mess, they should've never touched Gothic again. Just take a good look at Risen 2, 3 and Elex 2. It was failure after failure, they didn't understand their strengths and fans anymore.
let's be fare, you pretend that you do not notice certain things because the whole review of this remake is just the part of paid promotion. That's okay, it does not bother anyone, but please do not treat us like idiots, everyone gets the point. Most fans of this game are adult people in their 30ies by this day
Paid promotion :D Brother, this channel is too insignificant to matter to anyone yet alone to Alkimia or THQ. You could go into more detail what rubs you the wrong way. Where did I treat my audience as idiots?
@@vertigo7082 You are so respectful in your videos that I never thought you would receive hate from someone. How sad that idiots like this are fans of this incredible game. Paid promotion, don't make me laugh.
What precious collection of suggestions. Totally agree with all of them. I hope that at least some of them will be implemented in the final release.
Excellent notes. You have collected feedback from the community and put together a great video like all the others you are used to make. A big hug, bro
One additional point - make the NPCs older and grittier. They are too pretty and young. Also not really looking like stupid assholes, but kind office workers who just came from a barber. Diego looks great. More Diego.
Good point. Those poor diggers should look mangy.
11:02 This is how combat should look like, the archers in the distance shooting the player all at once while the melee enemies attack him from up close.
In practice they probably do 10 damage per hit after chapter 2 while you one shot them with Scar's Sword.
You know you're an oldschool Gothic fan when you annihilate everything in CH2 with Scar's Sword.
very good job brother , well done you are speaking for all of us.
Love your videoes, hope your channel grows rapidly
I just went through the characters in Gothic 1, they seem to be mostly in their forties, generally 30-50 range.
Yeah seems about right but making Diego a bit younger is a good call imo. Damn I was so broken when I saw him old and fragile in Gothic 3 or even in Arcania.
I'm watching the trailer 1 time a day, i need this game now!
Me too, man. They really did a great job remaking best game ever. 💪
7:52 THE GAIINNS!
Something super small. Super nitpicky. The bird flying in the background is probably just a placeholder, but birds don't fly with their legs stretched out.
Exactly! Gorn should be a berserk archetype! His design is too slim.
That's what I'm talking about!
The wisest choice that they can make with the orcs is to simply slap some fur on them and the current hairless model give tho Gorn. Two birds with one stone.
13:17 Honestly i haven't even spotted them in this scene, only in the other one when you could also see the droplets run down the screen. That being said I think that the effect is subtle enough for the game.
There's also the inconsistent speed of combat. In the start of the trailer we see a trained nameless hero attacking with a one handed sword. And the attack was slick and fast (which it should be).
However there was another scene where a trained digger from the Old Camp was attacking the player with a one handed club. But boy those attacks were so slow and telegraphed. I'm not sure if they are implementing different attack speeds depending on the kind of weapon being used
I believe the whole players feedback and necessity to please everyone no matter what these days does more harm than good, let the artist do his thing, and either it turns out to be sh1t or not, but seems to me the modern ways dont result in many masterpieces
@@natbromden5838 time and time again big studios don't listen to fans and their games turn out to be of lesser quality. Without criticism we would still be stuck with the PTs version of a remake.
I am convinced that most criticism comes from a place of love.
You're making a game for the fans. How you can come to the conclusion that the "artist" has any right to change something to their vision instead of your fans is mindboggling, even quantum computing would result in an error.
wet screen effects are really immersive for me since I wear glasses 😂
I wear em too but it feels like some J.J. Abrams shit with lens flare effect. An option to turn it off would be good enough.
Another great video man. Don't forget me when you get to the top. 🥳🥳
Ive seen stained glass used in gothic content with zero Christianity involved, grave yards churches as well
Yeah and the trailer didn’t show any christian imagery on that stained glass either.
the animals being MORE monster like was also a thing I didn't really like since wild animals =/= monsters
keep that to demons or other stuff
@@somedesertdude1308 true. I already spoke my mind about this in previous videos
@@vertigo7082 saw it yeah. like i said idk how they looked at the OG gothic stuff and was like "how do we make this more extreme" which just doesn't fit gothic as its not a bs high fantasy slop...but yeah gothic suffers from the lack of world building and the redcons in EVERY F GAME
Great feedback, esp the water on the screen, it is not just about visibility but also about breaking immersion. You are not looking at the world through some lenses, right? The hero doesnt wear glasses.
10:54 , combat scenes from the trailer are too short to judge to be fair. In this time in the video you can see all of them are either attacking or drawing their weapons, so it might not represent what combat looks like at all. In the next scene you show from the OG, you can see only 2 of the bandits attack you in melee and the rest stand still using the bow. They don't all come at you.
it makes sense in G1R to keep the stained glass, its literally there in G2
And sadly Gothic lost a lot of its uniqueness to general high fantasy which was implemented with G2.
I just really need them to include barrels you can hide in and actually make them do something unlike in the original.
my biggest issue from what I've seen in the trailer is the flora. Compared to the original, it feels more... like an Alps landscape? I mean, the valley in the original game felt like a wild countryside. Not the same vibe here. Also, compared to the surrounding countryside, the woods felt like actual forests: dense, with so many trees that the light barely made it underneath, the woods gave the vibe of an actual ecosystem in Gothic, you could feel it was a radically different ambience when you entered the woods. It was so immersive. I don't think they nailed it from what I've seen in the trailer.
1:20 they said 2 new biomes some time ago... but never explained. so its possibly
on the other hand this guard looks in light armour. how was that heavy armour defeated by pickaxe?
6:50 i think they even mentioned of possible new enemies... i wonder if that means something out of G2 or something else completely... or was just... um... something to confuse people.
Oh I missed that actually. That would be cool to have some more biomes.
Well we theoretically did see some "new enemies". There was a scene in the showcase where the player was fighting wargs. Wargs were not introduced until G2 and the first game had orc dogs
@@Kevin5279 wait... wasnt G1 mix of wargs and orc dogs?
@@jebise1126 nah the wargs weren't there at all. Most people have played so many mods that they've forgotten the actual vanilla experience. The orc dogs acted as wargs in the first game and were later supplanted by wargs in G2. For that matter we never see orc dogs in G3 either. Archolos mixes them both though
@@Kevin5279 ah... makes sense. also bloodhound was gone in G2 i think.
You joking? The visibility drops at night are amazing! I loved how I needed to use torches during night and when I was out of torches I was happy that a thunderstorm started so I can see bits of the road! This MUST BE in game! 100%! I may confuse it with Risen 1, but I am pretty sure it was also in old gothics. And when I was being attacked at night I was dropping the torch down to still light around so I can see who the hell I am fighting against! :) Love that crap.
I did say the exact same thing.
The remake desperately needs proper cloth physics, especially for the swamp camp armors and when climbing ladders.
Remember, name Innos is derivative from spelling greek name Jesus, so Christian symbolism is on place.
Main issue - it's too bright and colorful. Doesn't capture the climate at all
The old narrator voice was perfect, deep, old and rough, I don't like new one.
I prefer the new look of the camp. Blue light would probably destroy that.
It didn't destroy it in the original.
@@vertigo7082Huh? The original is not the remake.
@@raskolnikov6443 And the Remake is a "faithful" adaptation.
i think orcs are fine of course they would look better if they keept they monkeyness, i like very much new elite orc armor (looks more like something done by less skilled than humans orc blacksmith)
I’m so tired of the vocal minority getting what they want. Only very few vocal people on the discord (and even less so on Reddit) complained about the stained glass. I like it. They Shiism keep it. They also need to bring Gothic 1 and 2 more in line. Also the mages and monastery are based on European Christian medieval culture and aesthetics.
I think a compromise would be a great solution. Keep the stained glass, change the imagery.
6:37 why does it kinda look like the 98 godzilla, also what about the other monsters/wildlife? will they all get remade to look closer to the original so there is at least slight resemblance? since the scavanger looks way to much like a raptor and we already have like 4 of those (snapper, razor biter, and dragon snapper) and only one bird which is the scavanger
lurker is sort of godzilla but lurker should walk on all 4 so longer front legs. i would not mind that look for lurker but with longer front legs.
Don't hold your breath. If they didn't get it right after the PT, they won't get it right this time.
@@jebise1126 that's not a lurker. most probably a razor or mabye (less likely) a dragon snapper. that is not a lurker since this razor can be seen in a very dry place with no water source (where razors normaly are like for example jharkendar the canyon). also lurkers should be green or yellow atleast to fit the original more otherwise you couldnt make a connection of that being a lurker since aperantly everything has teeth now and looks like a dinosour, not even bloodflies were spared.
@@5chneemensch138 would make sense. yet again aperantly someone said kai (the guy who makes the music) said that they have a list of the things that need to be fixed that are being complained about. hopefully they actually try to listen to the critisism and not the guys saying everything is perfect when it is far from being so and will attack anyone with slightest critisism. due to the trailer i see community split (atleast on some platforms) between people who want changes and people who want no changes at all using "logic" for reasoning when that logic makes no sense especially for the swamp camp to have candles since you need wax for said candles and constantly need to be bought over and over again instead of using ore in a place that already is extremely damp. though i hope they dont fail the only thing we have close to a remake otherwise we wont have anything for a while again.
@@hgtugdz2579 razors only have 2 legs and no arms... so cant be razor either.
That nugget of ore is probably one tone in the swamp Yes Gothic if full of occult, so put that symbols on windows instead some random caterdal> Gorn also talking about muscles in the orginal gam, so skinny Gorn is ROFL. I like crouching but please no pidermen Imho. Also they shold may different models of rhe animals, not make 365 lisard type.
It’s obviously not random
So for me, two things.
1. Why the hell does Milten looks like Todd Howard (7:44). That must be changed, it's total immersion breaker for me.
2. I am okay with that stained glass window, but the figures depicted on it should not be people with halos. There could be Innos or some heroic paladin, mage or something like that there, but in Gothic religion there are no saints, so there should not be depicted in the art.
No Christian Themes?
Who came up with this cope?
The mages are in a medieval monastery and the paladins literally have a Red Cross on their front armour lol
Many people complain about just that. Gothic 2 was a huge departure in terms of themes. Having Paladins and monasteries is fine, just make it more in line with Gothics original dark and occult vision.
for the last part of the video... just make it optional so everybody can have what they want ... i mean if its already in the game!
That is a good compromise!
I would love if the game pace would feel like the old gothic , smoothfast movements and i teraction keeping you atracted to the game, too many animation and slow start of running and long rotations would make it feel toodiferent and ruin the nostalgia
The wet effect is something nice to have. I mean why so radical about it? If it's there already then just make an option to turn it on/off and everyone is happy that way. Even in the og games we could tweak some special options like wind, cloud shadows, etc. Perfect options' section for a thing like that.
You're neither wearing a helmet in fp nor is someone following you with a camera. Water flowing down the screen is the dumbest thing you could add right after bloom, lens flare and motion blur.
@@5chneemensch138 and yet you have options to turn these things on or off. What I'm saying is if it's there already just make an option for people who'd like to use this effect. You don't have to.
@@LieutenantGruber 95% of people don't change options. Having the correct options by default is immeasurably important.
Most devs actually do NOT give you a choice. The majority of time it is hidden behind "post processing" which says literally nothing and is either all or nothing.
@@5chneemensch138 why worry about 95% of people for whom options are beyond their skills?
Let's hope these devs will give us options instead of forcing us into one true way of thought. ;) ;) ;)
I only accept 3 gods in gothic! I don't want a real word god in gothic!
They wouldn't put a real god in there, it's just that some pieces of architecture and imagery are leaning towards christianity a little too heavy.
No one is doing that 🤨
its not made by PB, its made by some homosexual studio in Barcelona
why the F**k would you even considering playing this NOTGOTHIC "remake"
you want a remake, slap some mods in or play the Othello mod
PB was a complete mess, they should've never touched Gothic again. Just take a good look at Risen 2, 3 and Elex 2. It was failure after failure, they didn't understand their strengths and fans anymore.
let's be fare, you pretend that you do not notice certain things because the whole review of this remake is just the part of paid promotion. That's okay, it does not bother anyone, but please do not treat us like idiots, everyone gets the point. Most fans of this game are adult people in their 30ies by this day
Paid promotion :D
Brother, this channel is too insignificant to matter to anyone yet alone to Alkimia or THQ.
You could go into more detail what rubs you the wrong way. Where did I treat my audience as idiots?
Have you ever played this game?
@@archangel3591 Obviously I haven't played the Remake.
Ahahaha, what a clown! There was a lot of criticism in many of his videos. Do your research first before saying such embarrassing things.
@@vertigo7082 You are so respectful in your videos that I never thought you would receive hate from someone. How sad that idiots like this are fans of this incredible game. Paid promotion, don't make me laugh.