@@thedualitysystem we are definitely not in the good timeline. shadow generations wasn't worth the 20+ years of flanderizing and ruining his character
@koolooc726 i always thought if this happened, maybe it was a backup metal sonic who is remotely controlled by eggman trying to get Mighty and Ray's help, something like team Chaotix ... or maybe a prototype/lower version of Metal sonix trying to get help or look better in Eggman' eyes with getting a team to try to defend the Metal Sonic that went rouge
In an alternate timeline... Chaos: Why are we following this purple cat? Gamma: He said something about "find a frog", I thought that was a code word to destroy Eggman's fleet, but it seems like he's serious. And why do you follow him? Chaos: That frog swallowed a Chaos Emerald Big: Froggy?
Just as in Sonic Adventure, the real criticism is that the levels are all ordered the same way and have minimal differences, unlike, for example, Sonic Rush, where all the levels are EXACTLY the same (in Heroes they at least have some changes) but they're ordered so different that you just don't care
@Hurtle885hu8bu Nope, I have played it just some days ago and it's the same, the difference is that Sonic and Blaze have different levels of reach, so you can get easier to different routes. Sometimes one of them (mostly Blaze) can even get to another route by a path the other can't just by the way they use the r after they hit a spring or such
While the original team concepts look interesting, I’m indescribably thankful that we got our current iteration of Sonic Heroes, instead. However, the thought of having Big be in league with Chaos and E-102 Gamma is just objectively funny.
honestly if they ever remake sonic heroes they should add in some more bonus campaigns, like imagine Team Hooligan with Fang, Bean and Bark, or Team “Classic” with Trip, Ray and Mighty
I think I do like the final lineup personally, but dude, the possibility of a timeline existing where Ray and Mighty are part of the main Sonic cast. It is also a timeline where Shadow is not, however
It would be Gamma but at the same time not. Let me drop some new age Sonic lore. (Bit of Spoilers so beware.) In Sonic X Shadow, E-123 Omega uses a power core over a captured flicky. In the comics (Archie), apparently when Omega was created, he used the AI of Gamma and he was still aware and could have simply taken over. But he didn't as he wanted to let Omega have a chance to be his own machine. (Which means Eggman had access to his AI.) Lastly, Eggman absolutely can fix such intelligences. Otherwise, Sage wouldn't be a recurring character.
Man, some of those proposed teams were actually wack. Like, exactly what did Chaos, Gamma, and Big have to do with each other besides hailing from the same game?
They also had the hooligans on that game so I’m guessing the plan was to reunite all classic characters so far. Maybe they were planning a redemption arc of some sort for Metal. And the other team with Chaos, Big and Gamma… Well, they all met during Adventure, but the interactions would be really weird because they 3 barely talk.
@@asafin100Maybe they wanted to do something with Metal like they did in Sonic rivals 2 where eggman ordered Metal to find Shadow and team up with him to stop Eggman Nega.
There was also Team PINGAS which was gonna be Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts. Their stats were the worse but they could regenerate on their own after being destroyed multiple times.
If the rumoured Sonic Heroes remake is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another two teams added to the game. I’m not expecting Silver or Blaze because that would quite literally break canon, but I think considering the fact that characters like Mighty, Ray and Fang have all had substantial appearances in recent years with Mania and Superstars, and there’s 6 characters that can fit perfectly into making two teams. The two teams I’m thinking are Team Mania (Not sure on the name tbh, there’s probably a better choice), featuring Mighty as speed, Ray as flight and Heavy as power, as well as Team Hooligan, featuring Fang as speed, Bean as flight and Bark as power. I think it would be a great way to add more content to the game, whilst also bringing modern interpretations of characters who have only been stuck in classic games. I know that technically I’m leaving Trip out as she doesn’t really fit into any team that well, and Gemerl is also an interesting choice, but I’m 99% sure Advance 3 takes place after Heroes.
It would’ve been a little interesting how they’d explain why and how gamma and chaos are alive when they were shown to be dead at the end of their own debut game (I mean hey, if they did it with shadow, thus making him a reoccurring character, I’m open to see what they could’ve done, moreso with chaos than gamma)
If they ever remake it how about a team of Nack The Weasel, Bean the Dynamite and Bark the polar bear it'd be interesting to have one of those teams be the villains and you can get a different ending.
Unfortunately it may be one of the games where its engine and original may have been lost to time as it's in that era where they didn't really store old game data like they do nowadays. It's probably why the game doesn't have a steam release. That and they have to do some major tweaks for the controls for the speed formation and rail grinding as it was always twitchy.
metal ray mighty wouldve worked for speed (metal) flight (ray) and power (mighty) but thatd definitely be an odd group, same with big/chaos/omega and rouge/amy/cream
I think they made the right call... Some of these Teams don't make *any* sense. Besides, we got one of the best Sonic Teams that still work together with a great Dynamic to this day outta Heroes: Team Dark! 😄 Amy, Cream & Rouge would've been a fun and interesting All Girl Team though, not gonna lie! 😜
Honestly the game would have been much more interesting if it *didn't* focus on power/flight/speed and instead just let you have a freeform group of three. Would have totally forced a change to their level design approach and led to less canned gimmick use.
It still doesn't make sense though. Considering how the time line works with it all, and knowing metal is the main bad guy for heros, how would he work with Ray and mighty. And even if it did come to heros officially, then what would eggman make to be the bigger villain
They still could've added some of these cut characters but to be honest doesn't seem to make much sense for chaos to be there since he went to the afterlife if they do something in the story where he gets involved in the story somehow.
So why did they not do that within the game's roster specifically I mean if you were going to change the game into 18 18 characters within six groups why did you not do it that way I mean that would have made things a lot a lot more interesting then just give us a total of four groups.
Not gonna lie. These are some random arse teams. Although Rouge hanging around with Amy and Cream could be fun but I don't take them as the type of characters Rouge would hang out with.
I'm sorry "Team Chaos" with Gamma? He's dead, like, unless the original concept of Gamma's story was that he was gonna survive Beta's final attack, I don't buy it in the slightest, besides, Omega's just better, no shade to Gamma, but he's inferior compared to Omega
My uncle worked for Sonic Team in 2002 and he said this is all true and that Big was supposed to have a machine gun in one hand and a bad bitch in his other arm
Really goes to show how Shadow was meant to stay dead as a one-off character if it wasnt for the power of popularity
We are in the good timeline. Shadow Generations was worth Shadow The Hedgehog
@@thedualitysystem we are definitely not in the good timeline. shadow generations wasn't worth the 20+ years of flanderizing and ruining his character
@@emerylsg Thats more of a problem with the Sonic series as a whole than just Shadow tbh 😅
@@sonicjboom6967 i guess ur not wrong, but still
Tell that to mephilis, homeboy got brought back for a boss battle, and he still dead.
I believe this is during the time when Shadow was thought to be killed off which is why he is not present.
But chaos was also killed off, wasn't he?
@ No, he was redeemed in the end.
@@aloalixit was most likely gonna be a artificial Chaos but actually done more like og Chaos compared to the enemies in SA2
@@aloalixno he was redeemed and sealed back in the master emerald with tikal. Afaik both of them are required for the island to float
@@losisansgaming2628 Ah I see, I thought he died when he flew away with tikal. Thanks for the explanation ❤
Imagine how much different the series would be if Ray and Mighty were in Heroes
And villains apparently
@@koolooc726doubt it
@koolooc726 i always thought if this happened, maybe it was a backup metal sonic who is remotely controlled by eggman trying to get Mighty and Ray's help, something like team Chaotix ... or maybe a prototype/lower version of Metal sonix trying to get help or look better in Eggman' eyes with getting a team to try to defend the Metal Sonic that went rouge
Team Hooligan was going to be in heroes
In an alternate timeline...
Chaos: Why are we following this purple cat?
Gamma: He said something about "find a frog", I thought that was a code word to destroy Eggman's fleet, but it seems like he's serious. And why do you follow him?
Chaos: That frog swallowed a Chaos Emerald
Big: Froggy?
“You two look pretty dangerous, but if you’ll help me find froggy then the more the merrier!” - big
“I’m Big the Cat. I’m an agent of ANARCHY!!!”
I mean, just look into his eyes. He's totally indifferent if the world burns down around him.
He forgot about team hooligan which included bark the polar bear, fang the sniper, and Bean the dynamite.
you mean team hooligan with kanye, ye, and mr west
The end of the game was to take place in an underwater base Eggman had which is why the eggfleet is aquatic themed
Funny considering one of the biggest criticisms about this game is the fact that you have to complete it with every team to unlock the final boss.
Just as in Sonic Adventure, the real criticism is that the levels are all ordered the same way and have minimal differences, unlike, for example, Sonic Rush, where all the levels are EXACTLY the same (in Heroes they at least have some changes) but they're ordered so different that you just don't care
@Windy_Artist-Dev I haven’t played Sonic Rush in a while, but I could swear the levels were a little different as Blaze.
@Hurtle885hu8bu Nope, I have played it just some days ago and it's the same, the difference is that Sonic and Blaze have different levels of reach, so you can get easier to different routes.
Sometimes one of them (mostly Blaze) can even get to another route by a path the other can't just by the way they use the r after they hit a spring or such
@@gentlepeeps3351 Yeap, I said that at first hehe
I'M SORRY, TEAM CHAOS CONSISTING OF CHAOS, GAMMA???? AND FUCKING BIG??????
Adventure 1 basically
While the original team concepts look interesting, I’m indescribably thankful that we got our current iteration of Sonic Heroes, instead. However, the thought of having Big be in league with Chaos and E-102 Gamma is just objectively funny.
honestly if they ever remake sonic heroes they should add in some more bonus campaigns, like imagine Team Hooligan with Fang, Bean and Bark, or Team “Classic” with Trip, Ray and Mighty
Dont forget team PINGAS with scratch, grounder, and coconuts.
@@leeeroyjenkins555 Team PINGAS is fire , that should be in the game rq :^
Or maybe Honey(From Sonic the Fighters), Ray and Mighty.
@@amitaikatz5929 Screw Honey, Team PINGAS would be peak. Maybe add Team Banana with Eggman and his 2 robots from Sonic X 🔥
Seeing a team consisted of gama, chaos and big would be wild lmao
I think I do like the final lineup personally, but dude, the possibility of a timeline existing where Ray and Mighty are part of the main Sonic cast. It is also a timeline where Shadow is not, however
...wait, holy shit, was the Mania short featuring Metal, Ray and Mighty a reference to this original team idea?!
So you're telling me sega just straight up rejected mighty and ray
WE COULD OF BROUGHT BACK MY DEAD BOY E-102-Y GAMMA!!!!?!
It would be Gamma but at the same time not. Let me drop some new age Sonic lore. (Bit of Spoilers so beware.)
In Sonic X Shadow, E-123 Omega uses a power core over a captured flicky.
In the comics (Archie), apparently when Omega was created, he used the AI of Gamma and he was still aware and could have simply taken over. But he didn't as he wanted to let Omega have a chance to be his own machine. (Which means Eggman had access to his AI.)
Lastly, Eggman absolutely can fix such intelligences. Otherwise, Sage wouldn't be a recurring character.
@mill2712 so omega could be taken over by gamma, or eggman?
@@Boomer_The_Turtle_Speedruns
Gamma.
@@mill2712 WHY MUST HE TAKE ALL THE HARDEST SACRIFICES?!?! 😭😭
@@mill2712omega using gammas AI was only an Archie comic thing which are not canon at all.
Man, some of those proposed teams were actually wack. Like, exactly what did Chaos, Gamma, and Big have to do with each other besides hailing from the same game?
Gamma DID steal Froggy at one point, and Froggy happened to be partially possessed by Chaos (hence why he grew a tail for a while)...
Team Chaos would've been so fun to see interactions of.
"They didn't include Shadow cause he was supposed to be dead." Lol then why is Gamma there?
To be fair it could be just a copy. After all there were massproduced copies in SA2.
Uh probably another rogue e series robot just like we got in game, just this one is a coppy of the e101 gamma model
@@lafbkhope5391
But they weren't E-102 models
They're E-1000 models colored like Gamma and with 2 guns instead of 1
And the “power, speed, flight” concept was later used in the IDW comics
I don’t get why ray and mighty would work with metal sonic, or why big and E-102 would work with chaos. These choices make no sense, wth?
Maybe, they're making a truce to defeat a common enemy? Idk 🤷♂️
They also had the hooligans on that game so I’m guessing the plan was to reunite all classic characters so far.
Maybe they were planning a redemption arc of some sort for Metal.
And the other team with Chaos, Big and Gamma… Well, they all met during Adventure, but the interactions would be really weird because they 3 barely talk.
@@asafin100Maybe they wanted to do something with Metal like they did in Sonic rivals 2 where eggman ordered Metal to find Shadow and team up with him to stop Eggman Nega.
Amy,Cream and Rouge could have been a fitting team for the game.
Yeah but it's better to have Team Dark than whatever Big, Chaos and Gamma were gonna do.
@@theepic1944 i'm thinking Big pairing with Mighty and Rei or Gamma and Omega pairing with Metal Sonic.
E-102 gamma... BOYYYY! 😤 THAT'S E-123 OMEGA!
It was supposed to be E-102 Gamma. Omega was made after the teams were changed.
There was also Team PINGAS which was gonna be Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts.
Their stats were the worse but they could regenerate on their own after being destroyed multiple times.
you know that means at some point Mighty and Ray would have official voice actors , right?
If the rumoured Sonic Heroes remake is real, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another two teams added to the game. I’m not expecting Silver or Blaze because that would quite literally break canon, but I think considering the fact that characters like Mighty, Ray and Fang have all had substantial appearances in recent years with Mania and Superstars, and there’s 6 characters that can fit perfectly into making two teams. The two teams I’m thinking are Team Mania (Not sure on the name tbh, there’s probably a better choice), featuring Mighty as speed, Ray as flight and Heavy as power, as well as Team Hooligan, featuring Fang as speed, Bean as flight and Bark as power. I think it would be a great way to add more content to the game, whilst also bringing modern interpretations of characters who have only been stuck in classic games. I know that technically I’m leaving Trip out as she doesn’t really fit into any team that well, and Gemerl is also an interesting choice, but I’m 99% sure Advance 3 takes place after Heroes.
I would make Trip as speed, Ray as flight, and Mighty as power, instead of using the Heavies.
They need to bring back Ray in mighty with a modern design
We already have two modern designs for them in the archie
@LottaRidicula Yeah I know, I would love to see those modern designs in the games tho, cause the Archie comics aren't canon to the games
@@emmanuellee431 me too buddy
Sonic- “Ray, Mighty, how could you!!”💔💔💔
It would’ve been a little interesting how they’d explain why and how gamma and chaos are alive when they were shown to be dead at the end of their own debut game (I mean hey, if they did it with shadow, thus making him a reoccurring character, I’m open to see what they could’ve done, moreso with chaos than gamma)
So thats where the dream bobsleding comes from
hold up chaos is suppose tp be team chaos *that explains the chaos biodata metal has* never knew chaos would get along with sonic after adventure
If they ever remake it how about a team of Nack The Weasel, Bean the Dynamite and Bark the polar bear it'd be interesting to have one of those teams be the villains and you can get a different ending.
I can't believe he didn't mention House Shark, the greatest film of all time during that ending rant.
there is no way they thought CHAOS and GAMMA being in the same team as Big was a good idea 😭
they should use some of these team ideas in a sequel. specifically fangs team and mightys.
The maps in this game were awesome they should re release it
Unfortunately it may be one of the games where its engine and original may have been lost to time as it's in that era where they didn't really store old game data like they do nowadays. It's probably why the game doesn't have a steam release.
That and they have to do some major tweaks for the controls for the speed formation and rail grinding as it was always twitchy.
Terraria slime, is that you?
Its a voice actor named mcgen. Neither channel is his, he just voices them.
Shadow really was meant to stay dead. Lol
we ctually know now that this game was in crunch hell and they had to cut most of it
kishimoto said he had to do the entire level design on his own
We missed out on having a team Sa1
We need a remake with a customizable team mode!
metal ray mighty wouldve worked for speed (metal) flight (ray) and power (mighty) but thatd definitely be an odd group, same with big/chaos/omega and rouge/amy/cream
I think they made the right call... Some of these Teams don't make *any* sense. Besides, we got one of the best Sonic Teams that still work together with a great Dynamic to this day outta Heroes: Team Dark! 😄
Amy, Cream & Rouge would've been a fun and interesting All Girl Team though, not gonna lie! 😜
Gamma is different from Omega
Gamma if from SA1, Omega is in Team Dark
Wish there was a team with Silver and Blaze but they weren't around
Honestly the game would have been much more interesting if it *didn't* focus on power/flight/speed and instead just let you have a freeform group of three. Would have totally forced a change to their level design approach and led to less canned gimmick use.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET RAY AND MIGHTY! IN 3D?!!!!
We could had have mighty and ray!!!!! REMAKE THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
Losing ray and mighty upsets me deeply
I don't really see Big being in a team with Chaos and Gamma.
I really like Team Dark.
I WANNA SEE TEAM ROSE W/ ROUGE SO BAD ID LUV 2 SEE THEIR DYNAMIC
ALSO R U KIDDIN, I *NEED* TEAM CHAOS
So would Rouge be power formation or fly formation in team rose?
I'm confused on why ray and mighty would work with neo metal
This would probably be their first ever encounter with Metal, canonically at least.
they met metal in knuckles chaotix
It still doesn't make sense though. Considering how the time line works with it all, and knowing metal is the main bad guy for heros, how would he work with Ray and mighty. And even if it did come to heros officially, then what would eggman make to be the bigger villain
@@MalosiAudios Kuckles chaotix
Wtf? Why would Metal team up with Mighty and Ray?
I assume Metal wasn’t going to be the final boss initially but my question stands.
Probably they weren't planning to have Metal Sonic be the villain initially.
Wait, you have a second channel outside of your main terraria channel? I did not expect to hear this voice lol
No Terraria is using the same voice actor I am. His name is mcgen.
@ oh well the more you know
WHO IS THE FLYING MEMBER IN TEAM CHAOS??!?!?!?!?!
Pretty sure Gamma can glide
@LottaRidicula
I know he can glide, but the key word is glide.
He is not ascending.
It sounds like they trimmed the fat off that bone
Wasn't this game getting a remake or was that just fan speculation/hoping? They should make another and have Silver be playable and have a team.
They still could've added some of these cut characters but to be honest doesn't seem to make much sense for chaos to be there since he went to the afterlife if they do something in the story where he gets involved in the story somehow.
I mean.. if it was planned they probably had some sort of story written out as to why chaos and gamma would be there.
No shadow or Omega is DIABOLICAL 😢
So why did they not do that within the game's roster specifically I mean if you were going to change the game into 18 18 characters within six groups why did you not do it that way I mean that would have made things a lot a lot more interesting then just give us a total of four groups.
why is big in team rose
Not gonna lie. These are some random arse teams. Although Rouge hanging around with Amy and Cream could be fun but I don't take them as the type of characters Rouge would hang out with.
God please let them readd these teams in the remake/remaster
And what about team chaotix? Also unchanged?
Team Chaotix never underwent any change because they're perfect (I fucking hate the mission based gameplay)
Doesn't change e123 omega into e102 gamma when showing team chaos, big L /j
WE COULDVE HAD MODERN MIGHTY NOOOOOOOO
Sorry bro. Can't see Gamma, Chaos and Big on the same team of 3 in game.
Yeah, more character bloat is not what heroes needed.
The guy who created the sonic heroes games kind of sounds like a rip off of Shiro Miyamoto since he’s basically the owner of Nintendo
That's not his name hehe
Ray could have been in a modern game
Or maybe
Big and chaos DONT GET ALONG
OR MAYBE MIGHTY AND RAY HATE METAL
Wasn't there also a team made up of Mighty, Ray, and Metal Sonic?
Yeah. He literally mentioned them in this video too
@LIGHTNING1381 Okay, I did not hear that
I'm sorry "Team Chaos" with Gamma? He's dead, like, unless the original concept of Gamma's story was that he was gonna survive Beta's final attack, I don't buy it in the slightest, besides, Omega's just better, no shade to Gamma, but he's inferior compared to Omega
You little brat
Terraria slime?
same voice actor
You sound like TerrariaSlime
That's because that same voice actor worked for both channels, mcgen.
@@GameFactsSpecialwhat’s even more surprising is that mcgen doesn’t own terraria slime. Thanks for the explanation!
Uhh is it only me or did anybody else read "Gay" on bigs belt?
Proof?
My uncle worked for Sonic Team in 2002 and he said this is all true and that Big was supposed to have a machine gun in one hand and a bad bitch in his other arm
my father actually worked in sonic team when sonic heroes was being made and big was going to have a fucking gun trust me im not lying
what is terraria slime doing here man
Same voice actor. Guy named mcgen.
This sounds like a poorly planned first draft.
Shouldn't of did it Sega sonic team yr stupid now
I refuse to believe this. Sounds horrible
It real goggle it up lili bro