I'd still rather have the HID's. Despite the warm up time the output is better and even though the output will eventually change my Morimoto H1 projectors with the bulbs still shine about as bright as they did almost 7 years ago when I bought them and while not the same color as LEDS, still give me all the output I need. And when they do finally go, they're still cheap to replace compared to the LEDs. Now if they fab up a dual or tri LED projector then that'll be something worth looking at, but still more expensive than a just as good HID setup. Thank you for the comparison!
I wish next time you put your camera exposures and white balance on manual so the brightness does not keep jumping. And putting one light at the same time on the wall will give additive brightness effect on the one on the bottom. Although the lux meter will make better measurements than the eyes. Thanks for your time in reviewing.
Caesar, could you please run a heat soaking test on the led. see the lux drop off as it warms up in an enclosed headlight. over heat not simply warming up (edited part)
I don't have much trust in aftermarket led headlight equipment. The small bulbs for turn signals are fine and usually last a long time if they're purchased from a quality vendor. But, led headlight bulbs and projectors run the led at a relatively high temperature which burns them out very quickly. From what I've seen, oem led headlights usually incorporate the heatsink for the led on the entire back of the headlight housing. Those small heat sinks and fans that you see on aftermarket leds don't keep the led cool enough, so it usually burns out after a year, at the most.
Absolutely agree with you here. Most aftermarket led is slot - in type which have tiny heatsink and fan. On the other hand, there is the built in led type usually its OEM Led, these headlights use much bigger heatsink at the back of the headlight housing. These type do produce same intense light output and distance just like HID, but with better durability ( led last much longer than HID). With slot it in type, it looks bright when you look at them but when you are in the driver seat, the light output is quite poor and it doesnt throw light that far as you would with HID or OEM LED headlights Heat is the LED weakness, that's why OEM LED has much bigger heatsink. My sister drive Prius with OEM LED installed in her car. The heatsink is massive at the back and it's part of the headlights assembly. As long as the LED chip is within cool temparature, it will output maximum intense light to the road, but if it gets hotter, the LED will dimmed or decrease its light output. It's the mechanism to prevent the LED chip burn out quickly.
There are 2 points : 1- i-lens can be mounted on h7 very easy but d2s 4.0 just sits on h4. 2- there are angeleye lock places on d2s 4.0 lens holder but i-lens does'nt have those holes.
That’s the thing with modern led headlights. You can’t replace bulbs because there are none so in Oem applications you have to replace the whole housing which can cost over 500 dollars and if you have an aftermarket led projector you have to replace the whole unit as well. With hid it’s just a bulb you replace and that’s why I will always love HID
The autoexposure on the camera doesnt do justice on the LED hotspot. The camera makes it look like it's focused into a ball but I'm pretty sure the brightness is spread out evenly along the width of the beam. Am I right or wrong here Lightwerkz?
The interesting part is, the hotspot is actually concentrated rather "low". Which can be good and bad. Good for trucks, when mounting higher in any application, as the hot spot will be on the road instead of blinding everyone - but you still have a nice sharp distinct cutoff. The hotspot is rather concentrated. I consider the spread of this unit very good.
Hi... Is there any differences between led projector vs hid projector? Especially at the lens technology. Or we can replace the bulb into all projector type and the result is depending only on the bulb quality? For example, is it will bring a different result if I put hid bulb at hid projector compare with if I put led bulb at hid projector. Or if I put hid bulb at led projector. Thanks
LED beam pattern looks very E55eqsue. A couple steps back in output, but at the end of the day there's a hot spot, there's width, and there's much more flexibility and ease in wiring and mounting. I like it, even for the price. Really important question- is that mounting flange removable? That would be awesome for people who either want to make their own flanges or take the flange out completely to just use the screw mount.
Seems the i.Lens is *VERY* similar in performance to the Profile offered by TRS. What I didn't know is, the i.Lens apparently DOES come with the bixenon type connectors, which makes it more attractive for plug-and-play consideration. Very torn which way to go.
Same product, just rebranded. Profile is the newest version though. On our site - www.lightwerkz.net/index.php/components/led-projectors/bi-lens-bi-led-projectors.html - sign up for our newsletter for 15% off your order!
hi lightwerkz, the lux test might be the same with the iLens and md2s 4.0 but i think the hot spot for the iLens is way smaller than than 4.0 and that will spell the difference on the actual performance. what you think?
Lightwerkz Global Inc. I think what he's saying is that when they were side by side the d4s had the same intensity hotspot, but its hotspot was dramatically larger. the d4s also held intensity much better at the extremes. excellent led projector though. I'd love a quad setup with instant on.
What happens if that LED chip fails? Is it easy to replace only the LED chip or have to buy another projector and open the headling to change it? That will be horrible... LEDs can last longer but I have seen a lot of new cars with already failed DRLs or LEDs on taillights
If it falls the driver should fail not the unit itself. However there have been cases where the projector itself has a malfunction and it must be replaced. Correct - need to tear into it and replace it.
What your opinion about thermal-heat dissipation design of I.lens projector, is it enough safe for long usage, because of usage in closed headlamp without circulation of fresh air?
Should be fine. All LED projectors are sealed inside a headlight. Some have fans, like the OEM Koito LED projectors found in the prius, others do not, they have the cooling fins.
We tested the bi-led at 37.5W - Thats the morimoto 35W ballast and last time we checked it was pretty true to the 35W. But we can test again. Its been awhile.
there are few problems with aftermarket led: they lose efficiency with temperature they last at most 1 year due to insufficient cooling they have improper beam pattern they don't provide headlight housing heating since the fan is at the back. What does that mean? You'll see in winter when snow or ice will form on the headlight glass. LED light provides no or very little IR light thus it is essentialy to collect LED chip heat.
HID by far will always win in terms of brightness, they do have start up time though but they are not as durable as LED, overtime HID will lose their intensity and the colour will change, while LED even though they are not as bright, can maintain constant light out put throughout its life time.
Always win? I'm sure HID manufacturers appreciate your strong support, but HID is old technology having moving parts that wear out and fading output of lumens over time. LED is new technology that, in the grand scheme of things, is still a fairly new market with a LOT of room for improvement. Give it time; LED will soon outpace HID on all levels.
Sorry we do not. Theres no LED bulb that runs better than an HID bulb inside an HID based unit - so no point in testing that. We have LED specific projectors for that if you are interested in running LED.
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@@asdax8311 That's why you buy a bi-xenon kit. The bulb is on and warm when you turn on your high beams. Now if you just install it in place of the high beam you are correct. That's why I installed quad beams and run 4 lows and when I hit the highs all 4 become highs.
I'd still rather have the HID's. Despite the warm up time the output is better and even though the output will eventually change my Morimoto H1 projectors with the bulbs still shine about as bright as they did almost 7 years ago when I bought them and while not the same color as LEDS, still give me all the output I need. And when they do finally go, they're still cheap to replace compared to the LEDs. Now if they fab up a dual or tri LED projector then that'll be something worth looking at, but still more expensive than a just as good HID setup.
Thank you for the comparison!
I wish next time you put your camera exposures and white balance on manual so the brightness does not keep jumping. And putting one light at the same time on the wall will give additive brightness effect on the one on the bottom. Although the lux meter will make better measurements than the eyes. Thanks for your time in reviewing.
Caesar, could you please run a heat soaking test on the led. see the lux drop off as it warms up in an enclosed headlight.
over heat not simply warming up (edited part)
Enjoyed watching this video, excellent caesar! I think d2s 4.0 is better in all specs with oem bulb except startup time
those led kits are junk
I don't have much trust in aftermarket led headlight equipment. The small bulbs for turn signals are fine and usually last a long time if they're purchased from a quality vendor. But, led headlight bulbs and projectors run the led at a relatively high temperature which burns them out very quickly. From what I've seen, oem led headlights usually incorporate the heatsink for the led on the entire back of the headlight housing. Those small heat sinks and fans that you see on aftermarket leds don't keep the led cool enough, so it usually burns out after a year, at the most.
exactly my concern!
Absolutely agree with you here. Most aftermarket led is slot - in type which have tiny heatsink and fan. On the other hand, there is the built in led type usually its OEM Led, these headlights use much bigger heatsink at the back of the headlight housing. These type do produce same intense light output and distance just like HID, but with better durability ( led last much longer than HID). With slot it in type, it looks bright when you look at them but when you are in the driver seat, the light output is quite poor and it doesnt throw light that far as you would with HID or OEM LED headlights
Heat is the LED weakness, that's why OEM LED has much bigger heatsink. My sister drive Prius with OEM LED installed in her car. The heatsink is massive at the back and it's part of the headlights assembly. As long as the LED chip is within cool temparature, it will output maximum intense light to the road, but if it gets hotter, the LED will dimmed or decrease its light output. It's the mechanism to prevent the LED chip burn out quickly.
Excellent review. But as far as I know, HID will always be at the top of prism (at least for me).
Probably. For absolute max performance on a retrofit sure - but you have a lot of positives leaning toward the LED option now.
LED is catching up fast it’s just more flexible than HID, with LED you have the luxury of trial and error. Even some of the eBay bulbs are improving
There are 2 points :
1- i-lens can be mounted on h7 very easy but d2s 4.0 just sits on h4.
2- there are angeleye lock places on d2s 4.0 lens holder but i-lens does'nt have those holes.
The full size shrouds still work with the bi-led, just like the HID projectors. Those arent angel eye holes for the d2s 4.0
What if the built-in LED in the Bi-LED projector fails...is there a replacement available or I would be forced to buy a whole brand new kit?
That’s the thing with modern led headlights. You can’t replace bulbs because there are none so in Oem applications you have to replace the whole housing which can cost over 500 dollars and if you have an aftermarket led projector you have to replace the whole unit as well. With hid it’s just a bulb you replace and that’s why I will always love HID
Witch projector is better morimoto miles 2.0 or d2s xenon projector mini 2.5 5.0
The autoexposure on the camera doesnt do justice on the LED hotspot. The camera makes it look like it's focused into a ball but I'm pretty sure the brightness is spread out evenly along the width of the beam. Am I right or wrong here Lightwerkz?
The interesting part is, the hotspot is actually concentrated rather "low". Which can be good and bad. Good for trucks, when mounting higher in any application, as the hot spot will be on the road instead of blinding everyone - but you still have a nice sharp distinct cutoff. The hotspot is rather concentrated. I consider the spread of this unit very good.
Hi... Is there any differences between led projector vs hid projector? Especially at the lens technology. Or we can replace the bulb into all projector type and the result is depending only on the bulb quality? For example, is it will bring a different result if I put hid bulb at hid projector compare with if I put led bulb at hid projector. Or if I put hid bulb at led projector.
Thanks
yes i prefer the ECE cutoff
LED beam pattern looks very E55eqsue. A couple steps back in output, but at the end of the day there's a hot spot, there's width, and there's much more flexibility and ease in wiring and mounting. I like it, even for the price.
Really important question- is that mounting flange removable? That would be awesome for people who either want to make their own flanges or take the flange out completely to just use the screw mount.
Obviously you can trim it up however you like. I haven't checked out if it can be removed all together. I will check!
Seems the i.Lens is *VERY* similar in performance to the Profile offered by TRS.
What I didn't know is, the i.Lens apparently DOES come with the bixenon type connectors, which makes it more attractive for plug-and-play consideration.
Very torn which way to go.
Same product, just rebranded. Profile is the newest version though. On our site - www.lightwerkz.net/index.php/components/led-projectors/bi-lens-bi-led-projectors.html - sign up for our newsletter for 15% off your order!
is it just the camera , or does the LED low beam drop intensity when going to high beam??
Just camera. It will auto adjust. Using iPhone. Nothing fancy.
hi lightwerkz, the lux test might be the same with the iLens and md2s 4.0 but i think the hot spot for the iLens is way smaller than than 4.0 and that will spell the difference on the actual performance. what you think?
Regie Tan I have photos comparing the two in different exposures. Will make a post. You'd be surprised.
Lightwerkz Global Inc. I think what he's saying is that when they were side by side the d4s had the same intensity hotspot, but its hotspot was dramatically larger.
the d4s also held intensity much better at the extremes.
excellent led projector though. I'd love a quad setup with instant on.
What happens if that LED chip fails? Is it easy to replace only the LED chip or have to buy another projector and open the headling to change it? That will be horrible... LEDs can last longer but I have seen a lot of new cars with already failed DRLs or LEDs on taillights
If it falls the driver should fail not the unit itself. However there have been cases where the projector itself has a malfunction and it must be replaced. Correct - need to tear into it and replace it.
looks like the HID has wider even hotspot.. .LED has bit narrower hotspot and it fades abit on the edges.
built in led usually have fan and heatsink included in the unit :)
What your opinion about thermal-heat dissipation design of I.lens projector, is it enough safe for long usage, because of usage in closed headlamp without circulation of fresh air?
Should be fine. All LED projectors are sealed inside a headlight. Some have fans, like the OEM Koito LED projectors found in the prius, others do not, they have the cooling fins.
Hi. Thanks for share. What is the price of those? I cant find them in the site.
www.lightwerkz.net/index.php/components/led-projectors/bi-lens-bi-led-projectors-2-0.html
What's the power draw of both units? Did you use the 50 watt or 35 watt morimoto balast?
We tested the bi-led at 37.5W - Thats the morimoto 35W ballast and last time we checked it was pretty true to the 35W. But we can test again. Its been awhile.
whats the bulb on led projector?
nice work but u can uesd another led lens optima is good
redo these with osram night breakers?
Weight and mounting shaft dimensions on the i.Lens?
Installed projectors on my car n it's definitely not so bright I could actually watch the lens eye to eye,what could possibly be the problem,thanks
Without details on your setup its impossible to help. Email us with information - info@lightwerkz.net
there are few problems with aftermarket led:
they lose efficiency with temperature
they last at most 1 year due to insufficient cooling
they have improper beam pattern
they don't provide headlight housing heating since the fan is at the back. What does that mean? You'll see in winter when snow or ice will form on the headlight glass. LED light provides no or very little IR light thus it is essentialy to collect LED chip heat.
All those are greatly reduced or eliminated in high-end LED units. Basically if you can't afford the best LED, don't bother yet with them.
What about when that fan dies?
does it replaces/fit in OEM Toyota Estima ACR50 mono-beam D4S Xenon projector headlamp?
Please send over an email to info@lightwerkz.net - we can determine if we have a direct fit bracket for your model. Thanks!
HID by far will always win in terms of brightness, they do have start up time though but they are not as durable as LED, overtime HID will lose their intensity and the colour will change, while LED even though they are not as bright, can maintain constant light out put throughout its life time.
Always win? I'm sure HID manufacturers appreciate your strong support, but HID is old technology having moving parts that wear out and fading output of lumens over time. LED is new technology that, in the grand scheme of things, is still a fairly new market with a LOT of room for improvement. Give it time; LED will soon outpace HID on all levels.
@@EisBlade This comment aged very well indeed
Hi, do you test high output LED ±4800lm bulb in d2s projector?
Sorry we do not. Theres no LED bulb that runs better than an HID bulb inside an HID based unit - so no point in testing that. We have LED specific projectors for that if you are interested in running LED.
No, I already have EvoX-r 2.0
run some Osram NBs in there.
GTR Mini?
Is this D2S 2.5" or 3.0" lens?
D2S 4.0 is a 3" projector lens
@@LightwerkzGlobal
D2S 4.0 sold link?
thanks alot
Nice viedo. Love it
is the led is morimoto ??
H danielle no it is cnlight (chinese brand)
U mean the led is cn ??
H danielle yes , cnlight led projector with CREE chipset
Mostafa Mohammad thnx bro
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I have my reflector in germany at company refoptik mirrored
I though it's showing klux, so it's not thousand, it's + ten thousand on high beam
The hid looks better
Actually LED in 1st year start dropping the brightness LOL
Tôi muốn mua projecter led
More like HID than LED.
ofcourse hid is better
HIDs suck as high beams. You can't flash them without them warming them up.
@@asdax8311 lol. You dont know how hid high beam works
@@asdax8311 That's why you buy a bi-xenon kit. The bulb is on and warm when you turn on your high beams. Now if you just install it in place of the high beam you are correct. That's why I installed quad beams and run 4 lows and when I hit the highs all 4 become highs.
U can do it easily the in h4