frfr, thanks to more Linux porting tools becoming more open source, we'll probably see more Linux support for GOG games a lot faster than before as well
@@seeibe I feel about this the same way I feel about DRM. If the company doesn't make it a burden to the consumer and offers a good value for the money (including not having a history of license revoking), I think it's an okay trade. When we get down to kernel anti-cheat, always on-line requirements for single player offline games, or being unnecessarily restrictive in usage (one machine, repurchase if you upgrade), then I think the company is no longer offering a compelling reason to accept just a license. All that said, an ownership option is ALWAYS a good thing, regardless of digital or physical format. I'd argue that I'd pay MORE for that for games I care the most about.
I say if they are gonna advertise it as a license and that is what your gonna pay for, it should be at least 1/10th the cost of a physical cart or disc.
they have not been releasing "ultrapolished" games for almost a decade now. they are currently releasing unpolished games that don't work. their older games looks way better for some odd reason and they have to audacity to say that "we expect them".
And there in lies the kicker because that's considered piracy since you never owned it you "technically" don't have any right to it if they take it away. And while you might be savvy enough to know where to go to download it, sadly, the majority of users don't.
But yeah I feel the same way. I'm not really worried about valve suddenly deleting all my games or something. They're a solid company and worst case scenario, there's so much free shit out there and the community would figure it out.
I just want to own my games Steam still does a good job licensing the user fairly But there is no rule to stop steam from abusing it like any other company So I start to think going with GOG, and I hope Steam does the same Just own the copy legaly and is off topic to be resolved by any mean
Sometimes I buy games with greater discount on third party stores. For this, I've created a new account and them shared the games with my main gaming account
steam has rarely removed games from people, I've had one such game and it was a game that caused steam to offer refunds and penalized developers for having Footage of non exsistant game mechanics
the problem with Valve is that once Gabe is gone, when ever that might happen, (long may he live) Steam will immediately fall into the hands of vipers that want to get all the money they can like _every other gaming company,_ and all the good will he's generated with his Consumer friendly decisions (aside from never actually SELLING a digital game) goes right into the crapper. Even though the majority of GoG titles are DRM free they're sadly a lot more expensive for that privilege.
@@TheRealAlpha2 That's why I sincerely hope Gaben is smart enough to have someone with just as much integrity and passion for video games and a fair customer service as himself, who will take charge once Gabe is no more. This is very important. Steam is Gabe's baby and his whole livelihood. He takes pride in this very successful business, so I think he'd want to know it in good hands for the future. There HAS to be someone trustworthy in Gabe's inner circle who's willing to cherish and carry on his legacy.
GOG and Steam complement each other in my eyes. GOG use to have support for library syncing for select steam games, it was called GOG Connect. They stopped it pretty early so it was probably a promotional thing for GOG rather than a full-on feature.
While I am not a fan that you are allowed to buy something on digital storefronts without actually owning it, I think the new law tackles the problem in the wrong way. Because there is no other way to get the majority of the products without procuring a license through those storefronts. I think it should go the other way and say that things sold with a button that says "buy" or "purchase" that it should be forced to abide by the consumer understanding of what those words entail. Just changing the button from "buy" to "license" or something similar will just normalize people not actually owning their products.
This. I don’t want companies to just change the wording, they need to stop trying to push this whole “licensing” thing and let me completely own a digital version of it. Anything else and we let them convert us from owning to renting.
As long as the installer can be downloaded to install it if it ever gets removed. If it said license instead of buy, I wouldn't be gaming moving forward, and will stick to the thousands I own physically.
@@SponsoredbyPfizerfor real, not even modern physical PC games are safe from this licensing nightmare as they all have the install on the disk and then require you to enable the product through Steam or something.
The problem it's already being normalized for far too many people, every day people are dropping money on mobile apps, skins, and other stuff they'll lose access to when live service games implode and the only recourse they have is tossing their hands up and going "oh well, on to the next game." This is easier to do than getting companies to come up off their "ownership" of those titles. This is a first step, though if more people started seeing that "Buy" or "Purchase" turn into "License" and realize what it means, it might hit some of these corporations in the wallet hard enough to make some changes... I don't expect it to happen quickly though.
Hoping they retroactively make you OWN every licence you bought with the words 'buy' or 'purchase' shown at any point between me finding the product and me paying for it. Thats the only way this is good
don’t do it then 😭 I mean it was in the tos and it’s not like owning a license to a game on steam is a death sentence, the company has been running fine with these licenses without much issue
@datbo1jay1 I was being sarcastic. So explain to me my knowledgeable friend why can I pay for a physical copy of a game on any console and own it, but can pay the same price for the digital and can't own the game? Let's exclude online service.
The issue is no one reads the EULA every day. They click though the shopping cart quickly so they can play their new Fifa or NFL game that they just conveniently "bought" as quickly as possible, never really thinking about the potential future of that content, which includes that the instant the EULA changes that ability can vanish regardless of online services. People are used to putting down cash and walking away with property and that habit carried over to digital storefronts and it isnt until they loose access that they learn it's a very different thing, that's the reason Physical media is vanishing as corporations realize they can't make money off a new sale if you keep your copy of an old game forever rather than buying or REbuying a new one that's been HD remastered.
@@GreedTA maybe because it’s online, I don’t agree a “license” to a game should cost as much as a physical copy ( even tho with stream 90% of the time it doesn’t ) but I’m saying if it’s such a unfair thing then we just collectively stop buying it. Me personally I’m fine with owning a license to a game but the problem comes when the license can be taken away or the game can be taken away, in your everyday life you will not notice you don’t “own” the game you play unless a situation comes up where they have to take the game away or your license
It's certainly a reaction to it, but I wouldn't call it "getting around it." But people have to take notice of the change when it happens rather than burying their heads in the sand because it's inconvenient or because you can get better deals on steam.
@@re5onance244 Being able to keep the game even the service shows me the finger is quite something valuable to me. Eventually everyone needs to decide in person whether it's worth doing such moves but I enjoy being ensured that I can still play my games even if some company tells me nope or the Internet is down.
@@re5onance244 Yep, so fun that I did it twice in the past two years 😐 First time was when I switched from PS4 to Series X, second time was when I got myself a Steam Deck for mobile gaming. Never had an Xbox or a Steam account before. Thank God at least on Steam you can get most games at a great discount. But my Xbox library is mostly on disc which I bought new online since it was easier that way. Of course there were also discounts here and there, but in the end a small library of about 15 games still costed me over three hundred bucks. Gaming is an expensive hobby! 😅 A damn luxury.
Love Steam, but I really need to start buying on GOG now that my steam library is at 1000+ games. I want to share with my kids a piece of my hobby long after I'm gone.
@@MrRoundthetwist i've seen reviews. i'm willing to accept the flaws because they are ultimately things i don't care about nearly as much as the functionality this brings.
I agree. I'm very interested in what it does and I'd like to see what people who have used it think. I think the most bizarre complaint is no rumble. I think the sticks alone will make me likely to want to play stuff docked. Gyro is the best on the deck, but trying to use it with a PS controller is a major step back.
I hope Ubisoft goes bankrupt, they just suck. They've got so many good IP's hostage they do nothing with and instead churn out the same rushed, greedy crap constantly, good riddance.
GOG definitely deserved their moment to gloat. They are practically the de facto DRM-free game shop. Also, I'm not feeling that HoriPad for Steam at all. I just want a Steam Controller 2 with trackpads, gyro, and the whole enchilada, is that really so hard to ask for?
There have been numerous occasions where consumers on mass opened arbitrations with a company, Patreon was one of them. I had forgotten that Valve was the target of mass arbitrations.
@@FanTheDeck I hope this marks the beginning of the end of those clauses. There are only one companie I kind of trust, "not owning" content with. And that is Valve. I was added GOG to that list, but "Technically" , I do own what I buy there, but only If I take responsibility and the Time to Download the Offline Installers, and keep those around. Incase they ever revoke that licence. Edit: If GOG would make it Dead simple to download all owned content, that would make be a Statement for actually owning your games. Just like with Crypto, Not your wallet, not your coins. Not your Harddrive, not your data.
@@guinhill You're an informed consumer. The majority are not. Even with my desire to want GoG to be recognized more, I only just realized I needed to download the offline installers early this year after 3 years of "gaming" PC ownership. I need separate SSDs from the game installation drives just to protect my investments and that's hard for a budget gamer.
@@GabrielM01 Yes you have to agree, but they shouldn't be allowed to take away all of the games you licensed. That holds the consumer hostage to their whims. It's an immoral business practice. They can prevent you from purchasing any future games, but they shouldn't be able to take away all the ones you already paid for.
@@LoveJungle420 i think they are required to not service you anymore, they can change to another model on resolving issues and still answer you because you still on the arbitration model so they would just not let you use your licenses because using them would open up room for error and thus you forcing them to take it to the arbitration company rather than the legal system, pretty sure when you open a steam account there is a clause that says they have the right to take the games away, frick they can even auto delete your account so you dont pass it over to your son of something
Just remember folks if buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing. The fact that you cannot own games means that they should just call it "rent" instead. Yeah it has been going on for a while now but darn it is just getting everywhere.
Devs and digital storefronts are getting away too easily, devs should licence to the title so they can assure the game is always licensed, 2, games bought digitally should have the same rights than a physical disk, they dont necessarily need to keep the game files stored, but they should allow you to save the game locally (to a nas for example) and only need an activation of this (for the life of the company)
As much as steam has been a champion of consumer rights, it means nothing if we continue -"buying"- licensing titles on their platform. Steam sales are neat, and Humble bundles can be awesome, but People really need to be putting their buying power behind GoG, because PCs aren't suddently going to go back to physical media anytime soon... or ever. Remember to download your offline installers and store them on a separate SSD "just in case." I hate the design of that Hori pad, I will never accept the asymmetrical stick placement. Also I like how the article being referred to about the Licensing law has a link that says _"Playstation keeps reminding us why digital ownership sucks"_ when whole article is about how _there is no digital ownership,_ illustrating the root problem.
Putting my games on Gog also, damn. I really hate it. I paid for that sh*t. It's so annoying, so just go back to pirate the games because they're also pirating me. And back to physical use (games I really like) as long they still exist. This is just criminal in a time when digital is more and more popular and I don't own them. Screw digital, honestly. I mean, what are we talking about? You want money for me, so why don't we just say all fu and pirate the sh*t out of them to prove a point that owning the games you paid for is yours? If you don't want that to happen, yeah, we should own what we paid for. That's where you want to see hackers just destroy their greedy asses. Well, that said. It's easy to say something, but what we need to do is just don't give any damn money to them, which is of course never going to happen. It's a thing that all people need to do, and no one should buy anything. So it is never going to happen, sadly.
If you noticed, most new games are DRM protected now. Even monster hunter wilds. The modding scene and showing it off publicly will probably get you banned, im positive of it.
You may not "own" Steam games, but they do 100% better than anybody else, in terms of letting you keep access to your games. I have 100's (just checked, exactly 684) of games on Steam, I have lost access to exactly zero of them. Even delisted games can still be downloaded if I don't have them already installed. I have tested this with stuff like Mortal Kombat 9 and Mortal Kombat Kollection (yeah MK games seem to have some kind of licensing issue? I don't know). MKK doesn't even have a store page anymore, and MK9 says it's no longer available. But they can both be downloaded with no issue. Compare that to digital games on consoles and... yeah. Almost "my" entire library of 360 games is completely gone. I was an early adopter of digital and for a while it was great. But when I bought a 360 a couple of years ago and logged in to it, imagine my shock. PS3 is no better, and PS4/Xbone and beyond will likely follow the trend.
If GOG just copies Steam bit for bit and just keep their DRM-free approach it would be the best storefront. But as always, you can't get everything. I'm not opposed to using GOG, in fact a lot of my games are on there, just... The launcher doesn't run well and it's missing so many features that I enjoy on steam...
I won't "buy" any digital games... UNLESS I am able to re-sell them online after I'm done playing them, like I can do with physical copies. Even if the publisher takes a percentage from my re-sale, but nope, you lost 100% of your money when you purchase digital games, you can never get a penny of that back. Physical games you can sell them privately yourself once done with the game, recouping some (and some cases more) of your money. So for PC, I primarily just pirate since physical copies aren't possible.
We all know what one of the Arch projects are, most likely pointing what DeckReady and others want - SteamOS 3 Release so you can pop on any hardware device. Hence why Arch is excited so it helps with their distribution.
You see that the 3.0 patch for Space Marine 2 last week made it so Linux users couldn't login any more? Apparently it was an accident and they're working on it, but still. Really put a halt to me and my cousins' playthrough
You should have mentioned that the Remastered Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam requires a PSN account, and leaves GoG owners out to dry. Also, does anyone know if any PSN account owners on Steam have any problems playing, when the Playstation Network went down for about 7 to 8 hours yesterday?
I saw the message on my steam deck when I turned it on I didn’t fully understand it so I just agreed to it. I understood the part where if I didn’t agree, I would lose my Steam games, but since I just got the steam deck, I didn’t want to lose my games or my account I have known for a very long time that you don’t actually own digital games even when digital games were getting big on consoles but nowadays, even if you buy a physical game on a game console not steam because they’re all digital on PC you don’t actually own your game even if it’s physical because look what happened with cyberpunk 2077 the base game on the desk isn’t all there so they fixed it later with updates. Those are connected to the console or these storefront, I think so you don’t actually own anything anymore except for. your PC or gaming console but I do understand how if Xbox and PlayStation shut down their servers you won’t be able to play your games anymore but with Steam what other people are saying on UA-cam you can steal play Steam games forever and then with a PC there is emulation that is something that I just got into on the steam deck with emudeck, but I haven’t been able to get all games to work. I downloaded a Luigis mansion two game for Nintendo switch and I couldn’t get it to work. It said it came in different format, but I don’t know what format. emudeck uses so I think I’m starting to understand why people say that PC is better than console but I never built a PC before because I thought it was really hard and confusing but I like the steam deck because it is like a PC/console and easy to understand sometimes but I really hate that it only runs Lennox and not windows so it’s compatible with Game Pass in that most programs that I want to run are only made for windows. I did see a video on how to put Windows 11 on a micro SD card but the video looked very time-consuming and longso if you messed up, it would not work properly.
Not gonna pirate. But def not gonna feel bad about using key stores. If I really believe in the developer, I’ll pay full regular price. But the monoliths? I’m gonna undercut you much as I can.
As much as i like gog, buying there still isn't owning in the same meaning as e.g. owning a mug. Sure you can backup installers or game files, but you can't resell it. Heck I just looked at a PS2 game and the back of it says that re-sell is prohibited
People forgot how around 2022 Ubisoft announced how they were going to change their internal practices and whetever they did, if at all didn't work so what makes you think Ubisoft is gonna be any better, now instead of a broken mediocre game were just gonna get a mediocre game now, wow.
Oneshot: World Machine Edition released a day or two ago which is basically the console version of the game ported to PC and is fully deck compatible. Oneshot is an amazing indie game and it's on sale right now, I highly recommend
The whole point of an abbreviation is to save time typing. If you use an abbreviation verbally it should take less time to say it. Games for Windows Live has less syllables than GFWL.
Ill be honest i used to buy more on GOG just to support the better but still drm stuff, but kind of forgot about them because of the steam deck which has become my primary gaming device even over my PC I do keep two copies of a few favorote games on both platforms just so i can have that possibility
First, i will never buy a Ubisoft game. Secondly, when i buy an offline game, i don't play online, and it doesn't have a mandatory check, how can they take away my license for said game if i turn wifi off?
Simple, if you have Anticheat you have to make it compatible for steam deck, otherwise you can´t use the Steam store. We all know nobody cares about Epic Launcher, Ubisoft Launcher, Origin or MS Store.
Ubisoft didn't learn its lesson. The flip has played out, so now they move on to the flop. Flip, flop. Flip, flop. Don't be an idiot. Don't give that trash company your money. Learned their lesson...get real.
15:20 idk what people are talking about this demo feels like a big step back from p5 to me in almost every way from the music to the story and gameplay
@fanthedeck I just ordered a new "steam controller" dont know if we can really call them steam controllers without the trademarked track pads. But I am curious so forked out the hefty fee. Even though I have heard from another buyer that they feel very light and cheap
Since AC Shadows is coming to Steam day one, will AC Mirage come to Steam at some point? I own the main line games up to Valhalla. And I'm the type of person that I like collection a whole franchise, if I can, and not having one of the main line games in any series bothers me.
Wow, who knew customers wanted a product without bugs on release day?! Especially when you spend $120 for the “privilege” of getting to play early. I’m just shocked that these customers would be angered that the game they’re playing early is full of bugs. Shocked, I tell you.
ubisoft must be on crack. ultrafine polished games? They have not been releasing "ultrafine polished games" for almost a decade now. They are currently releasing trash games with under average experiences, that most of the time don't work. If they are going to release trash games, at least make sure it work day 1.
If you ever watch let's play videos of some of their gameshow or board games, they frequently have bugs where correct answers will be counted as wrong and wrong answers will be counted as right. It's nuts.
Capacitive sticks (touch sensing like the steam deck sticks) and gyro. Usually, controllers mimic NIntendo Switch Pro controllers and have digital triggers but gyro support or XBox controllers and have analog triggers but no gyro support. This one has both, enabled by Steam Input.
I absolutely loved Operation Racoon City on console, but the fact that the game requires Games for Windows Live to play multiplayer on PC completely killed any enjoyment of playing it on Steam for me.
Turns out that arbitration clauses are not only bad for consumers, they're also bad for Valve 😉
GOG is an awesome store 👏
Know how digital works so I’m not surprised by this. This is why physical media needs to stay. GOG may get more users. Which is good.
I never knew this. But GoG is on my radar now.
@@flashsentry1791 a lot of people didn’t know this. I learned this like 10 years ago myself.
frfr, thanks to more Linux porting tools becoming more open source, we'll probably see more Linux support for GOG games a lot faster than before as well
On the one hand I like the idea of GOG. On the other hand, SteamOS is just too convenient with Steam itself as opposed to third party games. :/
@@seeibe I feel about this the same way I feel about DRM. If the company doesn't make it a burden to the consumer and offers a good value for the money (including not having a history of license revoking), I think it's an okay trade. When we get down to kernel anti-cheat, always on-line requirements for single player offline games, or being unnecessarily restrictive in usage (one machine, repurchase if you upgrade), then I think the company is no longer offering a compelling reason to accept just a license.
All that said, an ownership option is ALWAYS a good thing, regardless of digital or physical format. I'd argue that I'd pay MORE for that for games I care the most about.
Steam is like Runescape: You never stop playing, only being afk.
😅
I understood that reference
Lmfao, if only I could get runelite to work, it won't let me login...
''if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing''
What is it then, trespassing? Lock me up then!
idk i usually pirating if the game or software doesnt available to purchase if it available then i buy
@@bradleylauterbach7920copyright infringement at most
give it a rest
"Online piracy or software piracy is the practice of downloading and distributing copyrighted works digitally without permission"
~Wikipedia
If they are only selling me a license to play a game, then I will wait for a sale to use such license. Never pay full price!
Great place for sales is Steam so it works out. Hell lots of PC games are cheap or free if you’re looking for
I say if they are gonna advertise it as a license and that is what your gonna pay for, it should be at least 1/10th the cost of a physical cart or disc.
"Ultrapolished"? We want our games to f-in just work when we launch them! :D (on day one-ish, no half a year of huge patches necessary)
Fucking working AND good*
Not perfect, just good enough.
they have not been releasing "ultrapolished" games for almost a decade now. they are currently releasing unpolished games that don't work. their older games looks way better for some odd reason and they have to audacity to say that "we expect them".
This. Just give us something that works and doesn't have any major game breaking bugs.
perfectly fine with not owning my games but the second something is removed from my library im pirating it because they already got my money
And there in lies the kicker because that's considered piracy since you never owned it you "technically" don't have any right to it if they take it away. And while you might be savvy enough to know where to go to download it, sadly, the majority of users don't.
@@TheRealAlpha2it’s really not that hard to pirate something
Normies pirate and torrent other stuff like movies and sports all the time nowadays tbh @@TheRealAlpha2
But yeah I feel the same way. I'm not really worried about valve suddenly deleting all my games or something. They're a solid company and worst case scenario, there's so much free shit out there and the community would figure it out.
I just want to own my games
Steam still does a good job licensing the user fairly
But there is no rule to stop steam from abusing it like any other company
So I start to think going with GOG, and I hope Steam does the same
Just own the copy legaly and is off topic to be resolved by any mean
Sometimes I buy games with greater discount on third party stores. For this, I've created a new account and them shared the games with my main gaming account
steam has rarely removed games from people, I've had one such game and it was a game that caused steam to offer refunds and penalized developers for having Footage of non exsistant game mechanics
the problem with Valve is that once Gabe is gone, when ever that might happen, (long may he live) Steam will immediately fall into the hands of vipers that want to get all the money they can like _every other gaming company,_ and all the good will he's generated with his Consumer friendly decisions (aside from never actually SELLING a digital game) goes right into the crapper. Even though the majority of GoG titles are DRM free they're sadly a lot more expensive for that privilege.
@@TheRealAlpha2 That's why I sincerely hope Gaben is smart enough to have someone with just as much integrity and passion for video games and a fair customer service as himself, who will take charge once Gabe is no more. This is very important. Steam is Gabe's baby and his whole livelihood. He takes pride in this very successful business, so I think he'd want to know it in good hands for the future. There HAS to be someone trustworthy in Gabe's inner circle who's willing to cherish and carry on his legacy.
Love Steam but GOG won this round lol.
Competition is good, and GOG getting more users is a good thing. I do love steam though for all the stuff they have done for consumers and developers.
@@killzonearmed I love to see both companies flourishing especially if it is benefitting their customers.
GOG and Steam complement each other in my eyes. GOG use to have support for library syncing for select steam games, it was called GOG Connect. They stopped it pretty early so it was probably a promotional thing for GOG rather than a full-on feature.
Piracy always wins
@@MelodyIV Fair enough
F Ubisoft. And F there investors. Investors is why companies stop being a good.
This is why I support worker and consumer cooperatives. Stakeholders >>> Shareholders.
Why are you censoring the fucking "fuck" word
I would like it if Ubi went private again.
Imagine buying an Ubisoft game in the year of our lord 2024. We know better.
I mean, Prince of Persia The Lost Crown was genuinely very good, and it came out this year! Though that's definitely still the exception to the rule
@@tylerhildebran3479ill take your word for it. Plenty of other good games to play.
I like ubisoft games 😅
@@tylerhildebran3479 Some UBIsoft games are just fine. Pity we can't own them.
You don't own your games 😅. That sounds like we're heading towards "you will eat bugs , you will own nothing and he happy" sounds familiar lol
We're already there.
While I am not a fan that you are allowed to buy something on digital storefronts without actually owning it, I think the new law tackles the problem in the wrong way. Because there is no other way to get the majority of the products without procuring a license through those storefronts. I think it should go the other way and say that things sold with a button that says "buy" or "purchase" that it should be forced to abide by the consumer understanding of what those words entail. Just changing the button from "buy" to "license" or something similar will just normalize people not actually owning their products.
This. I don’t want companies to just change the wording, they need to stop trying to push this whole “licensing” thing and let me completely own a digital version of it. Anything else and we let them convert us from owning to renting.
As long as the installer can be downloaded to install it if it ever gets removed. If it said license instead of buy, I wouldn't be gaming moving forward, and will stick to the thousands I own physically.
@@SponsoredbyPfizerfor real, not even modern physical PC games are safe from this licensing nightmare as they all have the install on the disk and then require you to enable the product through Steam or something.
The problem it's already being normalized for far too many people, every day people are dropping money on mobile apps, skins, and other stuff they'll lose access to when live service games implode and the only recourse they have is tossing their hands up and going "oh well, on to the next game." This is easier to do than getting companies to come up off their "ownership" of those titles. This is a first step, though if more people started seeing that "Buy" or "Purchase" turn into "License" and realize what it means, it might hit some of these corporations in the wallet hard enough to make some changes... I don't expect it to happen quickly though.
Hoping they retroactively make you OWN every licence you bought with the words 'buy' or 'purchase' shown at any point between me finding the product and me paying for it. Thats the only way this is good
I love paying a crap ton of money for games I don't own.
don’t do it then 😭 I mean it was in the tos and it’s not like owning a license to a game on steam is a death sentence, the company has been running fine with these licenses without much issue
@datbo1jay1 I was being sarcastic. So explain to me my knowledgeable friend why can I pay for a physical copy of a game on any console and own it, but can pay the same price for the digital and can't own the game? Let's exclude online service.
The issue is no one reads the EULA every day. They click though the shopping cart quickly so they can play their new Fifa or NFL game that they just conveniently "bought" as quickly as possible, never really thinking about the potential future of that content, which includes that the instant the EULA changes that ability can vanish regardless of online services. People are used to putting down cash and walking away with property and that habit carried over to digital storefronts and it isnt until they loose access that they learn it's a very different thing, that's the reason Physical media is vanishing as corporations realize they can't make money off a new sale if you keep your copy of an old game forever rather than buying or REbuying a new one that's been HD remastered.
@@GreedTA maybe because it’s online, I don’t agree a “license” to a game should cost as much as a physical copy ( even tho with stream 90% of the time it doesn’t ) but I’m saying if it’s such a unfair thing then we just collectively stop buying it. Me personally I’m fine with owning a license to a game but the problem comes when the license can be taken away or the game can be taken away, in your everyday life you will not notice you don’t “own” the game you play unless a situation comes up where they have to take the game away or your license
The california law to me at least smells like some measure of attempting to get ahead of stopkillinggames the lazy way.
It's certainly a reaction to it, but I wouldn't call it "getting around it." But people have to take notice of the change when it happens rather than burying their heads in the sand because it's inconvenient or because you can get better deals on steam.
Man I'm not sure if I'm strong enough to rebuild my pc library on GOG...
Gives you the chance to focus on those titles you really value and ignore all the rest.
@@MegaManNeooh boy, isn't rebuying the stuff you've already paid for just the best?
@@re5onance244 Being able to keep the game even the service shows me the finger is quite something valuable to me.
Eventually everyone needs to decide in person whether it's worth doing such moves but I enjoy being ensured that I can still play my games even if some company tells me nope or the Internet is down.
Makes up for the library built on Epic ;)
@@re5onance244 Yep, so fun that I did it twice in the past two years 😐 First time was when I switched from PS4 to Series X, second time was when I got myself a Steam Deck for mobile gaming. Never had an Xbox or a Steam account before. Thank God at least on Steam you can get most games at a great discount. But my Xbox library is mostly on disc which I bought new online since it was easier that way. Of course there were also discounts here and there, but in the end a small library of about 15 games still costed me over three hundred bucks. Gaming is an expensive hobby! 😅 A damn luxury.
Another case for piracy.. this is getting ridiculous 😊
Love Steam, but I really need to start buying on GOG now that my steam library is at 1000+ games.
I want to share with my kids a piece of my hobby long after I'm gone.
I’ll wait for an official retailer to sell the horipad for steam to the west because i’m not paying over $100 for it. Wth ebay.
Check reviews before you buy, so far not so good of a controller unfortunately
@@MrRoundthetwist i've seen reviews. i'm willing to accept the flaws because they are ultimately things i don't care about nearly as much as the functionality this brings.
I agree. I'm very interested in what it does and I'd like to see what people who have used it think. I think the most bizarre complaint is no rumble. I think the sticks alone will make me likely to want to play stuff docked. Gyro is the best on the deck, but trying to use it with a PS controller is a major step back.
If we pay for the games they still our games what the heck they talking about smh
I hope Ubisoft goes bankrupt, they just suck. They've got so many good IP's hostage they do nothing with and instead churn out the same rushed, greedy crap constantly, good riddance.
GOG definitely deserved their moment to gloat. They are practically the de facto DRM-free game shop.
Also, I'm not feeling that HoriPad for Steam at all. I just want a Steam Controller 2 with trackpads, gyro, and the whole enchilada, is that really so hard to ask for?
Cool, now if GOG could support Linux and Mac Gaming, that would make their store actually competitive with Valve.
@@Xyler94 More of a workaroud, but Heroic launcher is love for Linux gaming.
Trackpads are nice, but just rumble seems like a minimum they could have included.
@@ToastyPCvidya Yeah, I use Heroic as well for my GOG library.
I just download my GoG games through the Linux installer I got from the nonsteam launcher. Proton is a wonderful thing.
This is why I strongly advocate buying games from license free providers.
Woo Soul Reaver :D
I gotta get that!
And thanks but no thanks Ubisoft. Not buying what you're selling.
It might be on steam, but if they require me to download uplay to play it I’m not buying
There have been numerous occasions where consumers on mass opened arbitrations with a company, Patreon was one of them.
I had forgotten that Valve was the target of mass arbitrations.
Pretty fascinating stuff, right? Very glad to see the arbitration clause go
@@FanTheDeck I hope this marks the beginning of the end of those clauses.
There are only one companie I kind of trust, "not owning" content with.
And that is Valve.
I was added GOG to that list, but "Technically" , I do own what I buy there, but only If I take responsibility and the Time to Download the Offline Installers, and keep those around. Incase they ever revoke that licence.
Edit: If GOG would make it Dead simple to download all owned content, that would make be a Statement for actually owning your games.
Just like with Crypto, Not your wallet, not your coins.
Not your Harddrive, not your data.
@@guinhill You're an informed consumer. The majority are not. Even with my desire to want GoG to be recognized more, I only just realized I needed to download the offline installers early this year after 3 years of "gaming" PC ownership. I need separate SSDs from the game installation drives just to protect my investments and that's hard for a budget gamer.
Agree to our terms or forfeit all your purchases. Sounds like the dystopian future were in alright.
theres no reason not to agree, its beneficial to you, or do you want to not have the ability to sue Steam?
@@GabrielM01 Yes you have to agree, but they shouldn't be allowed to take away all of the games you licensed. That holds the consumer hostage to their whims. It's an immoral business practice. They can prevent you from purchasing any future games, but they shouldn't be able to take away all the ones you already paid for.
@@LoveJungle420 i think they are required to not service you anymore, they can change to another model on resolving issues and still answer you because you still on the arbitration model so they would just not let you use your licenses because using them would open up room for error and thus you forcing them to take it to the arbitration company rather than the legal system, pretty sure when you open a steam account there is a clause that says they have the right to take the games away, frick they can even auto delete your account so you dont pass it over to your son of something
Just remember folks if buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing.
The fact that you cannot own games means that they should just call it "rent" instead. Yeah it has been going on for a while now but darn it is just getting everywhere.
"Yves took full responsibility"
You had me going there for a sec
Moving to GOG now, DRM free is truly the future.
Always pride month GOG, not going back here.
I just play on steam and have no issues lol
Devs and digital storefronts are getting away too easily, devs should licence to the title so they can assure the game is always licensed, 2, games bought digitally should have the same rights than a physical disk, they dont necessarily need to keep the game files stored, but they should allow you to save the game locally (to a nas for example) and only need an activation of this (for the life of the company)
exactly, at the very least make sure the game license can’t be taken from a buying consumer
As much as steam has been a champion of consumer rights, it means nothing if we continue -"buying"- licensing titles on their platform. Steam sales are neat, and Humble bundles can be awesome, but People really need to be putting their buying power behind GoG, because PCs aren't suddently going to go back to physical media anytime soon... or ever. Remember to download your offline installers and store them on a separate SSD "just in case." I hate the design of that Hori pad, I will never accept the asymmetrical stick placement. Also I like how the article being referred to about the Licensing law has a link that says _"Playstation keeps reminding us why digital ownership sucks"_ when whole article is about how _there is no digital ownership,_ illustrating the root problem.
Putting my games on Gog also, damn. I really hate it. I paid for that sh*t. It's so annoying, so just go back to pirate the games because they're also pirating me. And back to physical use (games I really like) as long they still exist.
This is just criminal in a time when digital is more and more popular and I don't own them. Screw digital, honestly. I mean, what are we talking about? You want money for me, so why don't we just say all fu and pirate the sh*t out of them to prove a point that owning the games you paid for is yours? If you don't want that to happen, yeah, we should own what we paid for.
That's where you want to see hackers just destroy their greedy asses.
Well, that said. It's easy to say something, but what we need to do is just don't give any damn money to them, which is of course never going to happen. It's a thing that all people need to do, and no one should buy anything. So it is never going to happen, sadly.
Its ok Ubisoft. Promise AAAA quality games, expect AAAA quality standards
Ya I'm not paying Sony a second time just foe better graphics. I'll wait for the mods 😂
The hori controllers look like a cheap power A switch controller. mehhh
LOST PLANET 2 WHAAAAAT! Hell yeah, please! Please please please🙏
5:24 LOL that was an genious move
Ubisoft has lost my interest over the years.
Let em stay gone
If you noticed, most new games are DRM protected now. Even monster hunter wilds. The modding scene and showing it off publicly will probably get you banned, im positive of it.
7:29 "Gavinor Newsom". I like this contraction. So much easier to say than Governor Gavin Newsom 😂
Wow. I might start using gog.. hm 😐
You may not "own" Steam games, but they do 100% better than anybody else, in terms of letting you keep access to your games. I have 100's (just checked, exactly 684) of games on Steam, I have lost access to exactly zero of them. Even delisted games can still be downloaded if I don't have them already installed. I have tested this with stuff like Mortal Kombat 9 and Mortal Kombat Kollection (yeah MK games seem to have some kind of licensing issue? I don't know). MKK doesn't even have a store page anymore, and MK9 says it's no longer available. But they can both be downloaded with no issue.
Compare that to digital games on consoles and... yeah. Almost "my" entire library of 360 games is completely gone. I was an early adopter of digital and for a while it was great. But when I bought a 360 a couple of years ago and logged in to it, imagine my shock. PS3 is no better, and PS4/Xbone and beyond will likely follow the trend.
I dont think Steam would revoke your license to these games anyway. They care too much about the consumer to do that and it would be horrible PR.
They wouldn’t but in the case that the whole valve/steam goes down, we will lose all our games.
@jk966 one must hope and pray they have a protocal in place if that happens 🙏
Noooo, why did you change the video title?? It was fire! 🔥
Which one was fire? I like testing different titles 😅
GOG being gold as always 💪
Im 100% for piracy now
If GOG just copies Steam bit for bit and just keep their DRM-free approach it would be the best storefront. But as always, you can't get everything. I'm not opposed to using GOG, in fact a lot of my games are on there, just... The launcher doesn't run well and it's missing so many features that I enjoy on steam...
I won't "buy" any digital games... UNLESS I am able to re-sell them online after I'm done playing them, like I can do with physical copies. Even if the publisher takes a percentage from my re-sale, but nope, you lost 100% of your money when you purchase digital games, you can never get a penny of that back. Physical games you can sell them privately yourself once done with the game, recouping some (and some cases more) of your money. So for PC, I primarily just pirate since physical copies aren't possible.
We all know what one of the Arch projects are, most likely pointing what DeckReady and others want - SteamOS 3 Release so you can pop on any hardware device. Hence why Arch is excited so it helps with their distribution.
It's going to be funny when the people at Ubisoft (that make the important decisions) realize that the problem has nothing to do with being in Epic.
You see that the 3.0 patch for Space Marine 2 last week made it so Linux users couldn't login any more? Apparently it was an accident and they're working on it, but still. Really put a halt to me and my cousins' playthrough
You should have mentioned that the Remastered Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam requires a PSN account, and leaves GoG owners out to dry. Also, does anyone know if any PSN account owners on Steam have any problems playing, when the Playstation Network went down for about 7 to 8 hours yesterday?
I saw the message on my steam deck when I turned it on I didn’t fully understand it so I just agreed to it. I understood the part where if I didn’t agree, I would lose my Steam games, but since I just got the steam deck, I didn’t want to lose my games or my account I have known for a very long time that you don’t actually own digital games even when digital games were getting big on consoles but nowadays, even if you buy a physical game on a game console not steam because they’re all digital on PC you don’t actually own your game even if it’s physical because look what happened with cyberpunk 2077 the base game on the desk isn’t all there so they fixed it later with updates. Those are connected to the console or these storefront, I think so you don’t actually own anything anymore except for. your PC or gaming console but I do understand how if Xbox and PlayStation shut down their servers you won’t be able to play your games anymore but with Steam what other people are saying on UA-cam you can steal play Steam games forever and then with a PC there is emulation that is something that I just got into on the steam deck with emudeck, but I haven’t been able to get all games to work. I downloaded a Luigis mansion two game for Nintendo switch and I couldn’t get it to work. It said it came in different format, but I don’t know what format. emudeck uses so I think I’m starting to understand why people say that PC is better than console but I never built a PC before because I thought it was really hard and confusing but I like the steam deck because it is like a PC/console and easy to understand sometimes but I really hate that it only runs Lennox and not windows so it’s compatible with Game Pass in that most programs that I want to run are only made for windows. I did see a video on how to put Windows 11 on a micro SD card but the video looked very time-consuming and longso if you messed up, it would not work properly.
Not gonna pirate. But def not gonna feel bad about using key stores. If I really believe in the developer, I’ll pay full regular price. But the monoliths? I’m gonna undercut you much as I can.
As much as i like gog, buying there still isn't owning in the same meaning as e.g. owning a mug. Sure you can backup installers or game files, but you can't resell it. Heck I just looked at a PS2 game and the back of it says that re-sell is prohibited
People forgot how around 2022 Ubisoft announced how they were going to change their internal practices and whetever they did, if at all didn't work so what makes you think Ubisoft is gonna be any better, now instead of a broken mediocre game were just gonna get a mediocre game now, wow.
Oneshot: World Machine Edition released a day or two ago which is basically the console version of the game ported to PC and is fully deck compatible. Oneshot is an amazing indie game and it's on sale right now, I highly recommend
The whole point of an abbreviation is to save time typing. If you use an abbreviation verbally it should take less time to say it.
Games for Windows Live has less syllables than GFWL.
Ill be honest i used to buy more on GOG just to support the better but still drm stuff, but kind of forgot about them because of the steam deck which has become my primary gaming device even over my PC
I do keep two copies of a few favorote games on both platforms just so i can have that possibility
First, i will never buy a Ubisoft game. Secondly, when i buy an offline game, i don't play online, and it doesn't have a mandatory check, how can they take away my license for said game if i turn wifi off?
I hate asymmetrical controllers. They just don't feel right. I'll stick to the PS style controllers. Xbox style controllers are terrible.
Finally!!! I'll be able to play Street fighter x Tekken. It's been sitting in my library for forever
1:22 Good pokerface I actually believed you for 0.5 seconds. I may need to get my brain checked.
I’ll take an ordinary polished game over an ordinary buggy mess. 🤷♂️
Simple, if you have Anticheat you have to make it compatible for steam deck, otherwise you can´t use the Steam store. We all know nobody cares about Epic Launcher, Ubisoft Launcher, Origin or MS Store.
Ubisoft didn't learn its lesson. The flip has played out, so now they move on to the flop. Flip, flop. Flip, flop. Don't be an idiot. Don't give that trash company your money. Learned their lesson...get real.
Valve does nothing, and Ubisoft came crawling back
Till I get my copy of far cry 3 back playable on my steam account ubisoft can go ride a cactus cause I'll never buy from them again
Ive just baught my steamdeck and Monster hunter wilds killed me when they launched the specs😢
15:20 idk what people are talking about this demo feels like a big step back from p5 to me in almost every way from the music to the story and gameplay
Loving metaphor. Top 3 contender for my game of the year just playing the demo
Is it just me or does a controller for steam deck really makes sense?
What's wrong with the integrated one?
You didn't read the memo in which ubisoft admits to lying to gamers?
Their word is worth less than dirt
I still want a good controller with pressure sensitive face buttons like the PS2
On Steam day 1 or not, idfc, no one should pay Ubisoft any money.
@fanthedeck I just ordered a new "steam controller" dont know if we can really call them steam controllers without the trademarked track pads. But I am curious so forked out the hefty fee. Even though I have heard from another buyer that they feel very light and cheap
As for the controller, I noticed them in edion yesterday, I forgot they went on sale allready. Did not get them as i have to many controllers
Since AC Shadows is coming to Steam day one, will AC Mirage come to Steam at some point? I own the main line games up to Valhalla. And I'm the type of person that I like collection a whole franchise, if I can, and not having one of the main line games in any series bothers me.
They should change game prices to reflect us not 'owning' them
Steam Deck owners just want a controller that is the Steam deck without the screen…
First steam controller? Interesting I bought a steam controller years ago.
Once you see Gabe step down or selling out that's the day Valve ends.
Wow, who knew customers wanted a product without bugs on release day?! Especially when you spend $120 for the “privilege” of getting to play early. I’m just shocked that these customers would be angered that the game they’re playing early is full of bugs. Shocked, I tell you.
It doesn't even need to be bug free; it just needs to not have anything gamebreaking in it.
the only fix for assassin's creed shadows is deleting all the data for good
Hmmm I bet ubisoft don't give these game achievements on steam...
Imagine wanting a game that works on day one..... How greedy we are 😂
Gabe is cool! I like him. I hope he stays forever.😊
ubisoft must be on crack. ultrafine polished games? They have not been releasing "ultrafine polished games" for almost a decade now. They are currently releasing trash games with under average experiences, that most of the time don't work. If they are going to release trash games, at least make sure it work day 1.
If you ever watch let's play videos of some of their gameshow or board games, they frequently have bugs where correct answers will be counted as wrong and wrong answers will be counted as right. It's nuts.
Idk if it was always like this but steam already just says add to cart
saying Gaben's Palace feels so wrong xD 2:31
They need to fix gta v and call of duty mw3 on steam deck already we about to be in 2025 and still no support for these games smh
Nah
Remove other game launchers on steam.
Lol, " 33 " Million users. Masonic 33
What's so special about this Hori Controller, other than the Steam Button?
Capacitive sticks (touch sensing like the steam deck sticks) and gyro. Usually, controllers mimic NIntendo Switch Pro controllers and have digital triggers but gyro support or XBox controllers and have analog triggers but no gyro support. This one has both, enabled by Steam Input.
How does GOG let you own your game?
I want Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City to come back to Steam.
I absolutely loved Operation Racoon City on console, but the fact that the game requires Games for Windows Live to play multiplayer on PC completely killed any enjoyment of playing it on Steam for me.
camnuggets in the future:
GFWL… good old times 😂