Well, ring-magic isn't explained in a lot of detail in the movie trilogy. In my head canon Peter chose the finger ring thing as a tool for "show don't tell", so the audience understands the connection between Sauron and the One Ring from the moment of the prolog. Also, people calling Isildur names often don't understand that this behavior was literally put into the Ring's "source code". It was Sauron’s measure to ensure its indestructibility, especially when he isn't in control at that moment time. And it did work on Isildur. It also worked on Frodo, but only after months, not just a few hours. Gandalf's understanding that Sauron hadn't thought about Hobbits (as they didn't exist then, cough) when he wrote his magic "source code" was what tipped the scales.
Yea you should have left that in the video. In my opinion, the book version of Isildur taking posession of the ring actually makes more sense, since in that Sauron is already beaten and dying, so its just a matter of getting there and hacking his ring bearing finger off without much of a resistance. I agree with @PiscatorLager , the movie ring thing is probably meant as a tool of "showing instead of telling"
Sauron never knows (nor does he care) what's the name of the hobbit carrying the ring. He just knows that _a hobbit_ is carrying it. So when Pippin looks into the Palantir he automatically assumes that's the ringbearer - and when Aragorn looks into it he believes that now HE has the ring. When his army is defeated in the Pelennor fields he naturally assumes that happened because Aragorn used the power of the ring, and when Aragorn marches the remainder of the armies of Gondor and Rohan Sauron thinks he has gone mad with power thanks to the ring. When he learns Frodo has been captured and a Powerful elf warrior (which is what the orcs thought Sam was because he was carrying and empowered by the ring) had freed him he assumed they were spies with no direct connection to the ring, which is why he doesn't think twice about it or put any defences to Mount Doom. The fact is that Sauron never even considered the possibility that someone might want to destroy the ring instead of using it. He wants nothing but total domination over the world so naturally he believes everyone else wants the same, and hence nobody would turn down the chance of mastering the ring. He only realised what was actually going on once Frodo put on the ring at Mount Doom In a way he was right, since nobody living on Middle Earth would have been able to willingly destrly the ring, once they got to the place where it could be destroyed anyone weaker than Sauron at his peak would have fallen to the temptation. The only way it could happen was by accident (or divine intervention)
he's pretty mentally limited - total lack of introspection or self-awareness and a one track mind - pretty disappointing considering he's an immortal being only a rank lower than the Valar themselves
Eru: "whoops would be a shame if I put the little gremlin out of its missery while, he has the magic ring that binds Morgoths equivalent of Heinrich Himmler in his possession."
Hobbits. Not gnomes. Gnomes have this strange quirk where they can live longer with instense stress. One gnome from Pathfinder: Wrath of the Rightious has an ending like that. He gains longer life because he's so worried about the player making chaos. How do beat an enemy that gets stronger the more they're under pressure?
Sauron in the books: 1) Hmm, if noone else can defeat the enemy kings, then I will do it myself... (dies, loses the rings, his physical body and his realm for half an age) 2) Hmm, the enemy king is now dead. Interesting. It appears that some random band of orcs completely crushed his squad. But the ring is now lost somewhere in a river. Tough luck. 3) Okay, back to subversive action, sabotage and deception. Yeah and biological warfare. Perfect, half of the enemy realms are gone and the other half is almost dead. And it only costed us an artificial realm that we created only to do this job? Perfect. 4) It appears that this witch-king-guy is kinda competent, unlike literally everyone else under my rule. That is perfect. Im sure he has a bright... DARK, I meant DARK future to look forward to. 5) Let´s join with some dragon, capture a super loaded mountain, then backstab the dragon and eliminate any enemy east of Misty mountains. 6) I´ve never ever seen a plan go tits up THAT quickly... 7) Anyway, let´s rebuild Mordor. 8) Niiice, Harad and Rhun are still my faithful bitches doing anything I ask of them. Maybe I should use more men and less of those stupid orc. Those have brought me nothing but shame. Men are far more efficient... Or maybe not. The orcs may be barely useful even as a training target, but I just can´t be bothered to change my strategy again. 9) Wow, my ring is now apparently in the hands of some Baggins of Shire. That must be a mighty lord. He fought dragons, orcs, trolls, and earned a lot of gold doing that... He was also the one who screwed me a few decades ago. But he´s quite capable, maybe I should hire him... No, Sauron hates nasty hobbitses... Sauron wants to see them... dead. 10) My nazgul squadron was very close, but ultimately lost in a battle against a river. They didnt even scratch their enemy, and suffered a complete loss of their horses. Maybe I should upgrade them to avoid them getting into such fight ever again. 11) Damn, it looks like that Saruman dude is not really on our side. Just pretends to be. Saruman, I´ve heard that name somewhere, where do I know him from?? 12) Okay, seems like that Saruman dude is not such a great friend with Rohan after all. 13) AND he got his ass kicked. Now he´s off to Morgoth knows where... 14) Oh wow, now it looks like some damned midget keeps my ring somewhere in Rohan... So that´s how they defeated Saruman. I got it. Better get rid of Gondor before they have a similar idea. 15) Wow, capturing Osgiliath was so easy. Gondor sux. 16) Let´s crush their capital. I´ve sent my general witch-king, and he´s got all the army and equipment he needs. 17) Damn, he got himself flanked, and then killed by some technicality in some prophecy made by some undead elf guy. 18) Aragorn? And he´s got the ring? Oh, so that´s how he defeated my best general. But no matter, because I still hold all the triumphs. Let´s crush Erebor and Gondor at the same time. 19) What, they are attacking?! Well that makes my plans a whole lot easier, if Aragorn wants to just bring me the ring... 20) What?! what spies in Cirith Ungol?! Don´t bother me with such nonsense, I´ve got a war to win... 21) He´s got WHAT in Mount Doom??!! 22) I hate them so much...
Even his rings were completely pointless: he failed to control Elves (he actually buffed them), he failed to control Dwarves, he even failed to control Men (apart from 9). So much effort for such puny results...
@bdleo300 I think his approach was flawed. He probably could have simply restored the remnant Morgoth forces, then use a mixture of intimidation and diplomacy to gain power too great for the Elves to handle. Probably ally with the Dwarves since they didn't like Elves either. Melkor and Sauron's strategic flaw was they were too direct, to simplistic, too brutish. Even the mightiest Empires have to negotiate and use massive fist within a soft velvet glove. Sauron and Melkor were simply, I build my hugely powerful forces and hammer my enemies into submission or destroy them. However, the problem was their enemies were combined, too powerful for this to work. They didn't know when to cut their losses and give up. Unlike Loki in the Avengers, they have too much conviction.
@@bdleo300 He controlled Rhun, Khand, and Harad, which probably amounted to the majority of human population in Middle-earth. But yeah, the Rings of power plan still backfired (talking about the actual rings).
@ChristopherKetcherside Well. Okay. I think he should have simply realized The game was "rigged" Eru Iluvatar was never going to let neither Melkor, nor he, WIN. Eru was the Supreme Being, but he believed in cheating to defeat Melkor and all the beings aligned with his dark side. Melkor seemed to have an advantage until Manwe, closest in age and strength to him was paired up with his former friend Varda Elbereth, who's Light powers perfectly countered his dark powers. He feared her with good reason. Melkor figured out how to overcome this development however. So then Eru sent Tulkas the strong to successfully reverse that situation. In the end, Eru helped the ring bearer Frodo, and most of those seeking to destroy the Ring.
I really don't know what's worse tbh knowing he got his ass beat by 3 people when he has an all powerful ring or just a wild swing? Either way, that's a fucking L
I know this is only talking about the movies, but I always had the impression that the last battle of Sauron during “The Last Alliance” was a five on one beat down. “Alas! yes,’ said Elrond. ‘Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.” - The Lord of the Rings: The classic fantasy masterpiece by J. R. R. Tolkien
I mean I did say "The hobbit has left only with his gardener." but you're right I have mistreated the man, the myth, the legend himself Honestly this was originally going to be a Sam video, but then I remembered how comically absurd Saurons story is
If his name had been Samwise Gonzalez, his occupation would have been obvious. ..........And yes, this is a joke and only a joke, meant in a joking manner
@@Nomsynho honestly the fact he a gardener is plot relevant, because the only thing the ring can think of offering him is a giant garden. It basically the evil genie offering you anything you desire to a hippie who goes kind of already got what I want, and am kind of content to the genie increasing desperation.
In fairness, Sauron's entire life is a rolling calamity. Becomes lieutenant to Morgoth. Sees the Valar coming to shit-mix his boss and he GTFO of dodge before he gets some. Captures Beren and Finrod, but gets woozy when he attacks Luthien, and Huan pins him by the throat. Luthien takes the piss for a bit threatening to relieve him of his current physical form which by this point is quite powerful, and Sauron spills the beans before being let go. Morgoth gets battered by his betters, so Sauron begs for clemency from the Valar. Gets forgiven, but like a little bitch can't face the shame of returning to the Valar's side. Flees to Middle-Earth. Takes the mantle of dark lord. Hatches a master plan to corrupt the free peoples with rings. The moment he puts the One on, the Elves call him on his bullshit and he has to go to Eregion to get the other rings of power personally, muttering to himself about the fallibility of his plans. He gets the Seven, gets the Nine, but the Three he really wanted are already gone. Hands out the rings and has some success with the Nine, but the dwarves are too strong to be fully affected, so his plan by this point is perhaps 30% effective. Decides to push his luck after Eregion and take Lindon, but the Numenoreans turn up and send him packing back to Mordor after massacring his army. Once back home, gets cocky again, so the Numenoreans come back to spank him and he straight up surrenders, recognising that they'll hand him his own arse if he fights. Gets taken to Numenor and tries to get them to attack the Valar. God directly intervenes with a "nope" admin-command and deletes Numenor, drowning Sauron and forcing him to go home shapeless. This resulted in the loss of his pretty face, and he looked like an angry hobo ever since. Builds his body back but is still under-strength when he decides to prematurely attack Arnor and Gondor. The Last Alliance of Ass-Kicking Chads turn up to bully him some more. For lulz one of them cuts his ring finger off and steals his Ring that he spent so much time building his failed master plan around. Spends a long time hiding and sulking in spirit-form crying about the unfairness of it all. Decides to take shape in Dol Guldur and just hang out and chill, considering his life. The White Council turn up with an eviction notice and sends him packing. Hobos his way back to Mordor. Gets his shape back, and again gets cocky. Attacks Gondor and things seem to be going well, until he realises he was paying attention to the wrong guys all along. Hobbits turn up and violate his Ring, and for the last time, he's sent packing, but this time into the Void as a shapeless being unable to effect change or gain his strength ever again. His is not really a tale of consistent success. Everyone's had a piece of this guy over the years.
@@Nomsynho At least the book version can occasionally get things done. He constantly underestimates his opponents (which you'd think he'd learn from) but at least he isn't a complete b!tch who pines for a mortal woman, and can be easily deceived and defeated by his own warriors.
In the books, after Frodo puts on the Ring, we actually get a few paragraphs from Sauron's POV. He could not even imagine the possibility that someone would ever set out to destroy the Ring. "And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega oh 100%, what I should have said is that Sauron couldn't believe that anyone would even dare to *attempt* to destroy the Ring. He was so obsessed with power, and he thought that, at least to some degree, everyone else was the same.
@@meorgegoran i agree, true, its the reason why he didnt put a gate at mount doom. (imagine frodo and sam arrive at mount doom and there is a metal gate blocking the entrance, would be the end of the story for frodo)
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega Frodo couldn't destroy the ring even in his own house, in the beginning. Gandalf told him to try but Frodo couldn't do it. Yet he sent him to Mordor to do it nevertheless... aaaand it worked somehow.
@@meorgegoran Sauron obviously knew they were moving towards Mordor. Saruman also knew about their plan. It makes no sense why Sauron took such a risk to leave everything unprotected... leave 100 orcs there ffs you have 100.000.
*What’s even sadder in the books is after the ring is destroyed, Sauron is reduced to a ghost, doomed to watch Middle Earth flourish till the end of time, a weak ghost that is blown away by the wind*
10:24, The Witch King dying because of a technicality might be the most ridiculous losses to Sauron, especially in the context of the extended edition for the movies, since he'd summarily beaten Gandalf without much effort, as in an undead mortal beat an angel in the form of a mortal (though you could argue, the Witch King having a Ring Of Power and being in Sauron's service means he's essentially being empowered by a what is essentially an archangel). They actually made him seem like Sauron's "deadliest servant for just a few moments before some random handmaiden kills his mount and then stabs him in his nonexistent mouth.
@@origami83in the books. The reason the Witch King was killed in that moment was twofold. It technically has nothing to do with Eowyn being a woman. It was simply prophesied that he would not be killed by a man. He was killed by both a woman and a Hobbit. And that’s the key. It was Merry’s involvement that made the Witch King vulnerable. Eowyn physically held him off for a short period of time. Witch King gets cocky bcs he thinks he’s fighting a weak man. Meanwhile unbeknownst to him a Hobbit with a magical dagger specifically designed to kill him is sneaking up behind him. Merry stabbing him effectively eliminates all the Witch Kings enchantments making him nearly invincible. Thus giving Eowyn (the primary combatant) the opportunity to deliver the killing blow.
@@josephclinton375 Nice explanation. I would have to look up what the literal propecy was, a man or by men has a different meaning but as you explain it it doesnt matter. Merry was the key.
01:05 he was reaching out for him because in the books, Sauron grabbed Gil-Galad by the throat and literally incinerated him alive in front of everyone to demoralise the alliance, he was presumably going to do the same thing to Isildur. Awesome video though, very funny 👏
Thanks my friend, and thanks for the info. I dunno what's worse though, getting your ass beat with an all powerful swing or reaching out like a numpty... Either way... Looks real bad for our boy
Theres also the case of Sauron only having that mace of his in the movies. He doesnt use ANY weapon other than his hands in the books. ...Gods I wish people doing this sorta stuff would actually read the source material and not just go off of movies for their stuff x-x itd make it a lot more interesting
@@shoulderpyro True, but gotta be honest, the design looks damn cool...as an homage to Morgoth's Grond hammer... also to be noted, both Gil-Galad and Elendil were the prime warriors of their age, Sauron killed them both but he was mortally wounded. I can imagine it was a hell of a fight.
@@LordTKII While that IS true, it still wants for a version thats true to the actual original lore at least. PJ's trilogy is amazing of course but for the sake of making a watchable movie that doesnt take up most of your daytime a LOT had to be cut or changed, resulting in stuff that doesnt make sense in the Movie's shortened content vs the books' original content. Like Sauron reaching out with his hand. Movie form; This makes 0 sense. You literally have a mace, why bother reaching out? Book form: Has no weapons. Is leaving even the greatest warriors of the time heavily injured if not straight up dead simply by touching them.
What y'all in the comments seem to be forgetting is that for every 4 or 5 military L Sauron took through out the timeline he had a world ending W. After he made the one ring he dominated about 70% of all middle earth for 1500 year until Numenor intervened, and even when he was captured by Numenor (which he did willingly cuz he knew he could destroy them from the inside) he quickly begins to manipulate the King and takes control over Numenor, which was the mightiest empire ever in the works of Tolkien, it was only after he convinced Numenor to invade the blessed realm that Sauron took his first major L and lost his body due to divine intervention from God himself (and yes, he had already taken quite a few minor L'sz specially with the dwarves and elves but had ultimetly succeded in taking over middle earth so far). Not to mention that by the time of LOTR he had most of the South (Tokien's north Africa) and the Easterlings (Tolkien's middle eastern people) under his commend either by force or diplomacy. Even in the battle of the Pellenor fields (which is probably the most crushing defeat Sauron took during the events of LOTR) was won by a simple yet game changing divine intervention by Eru once again, which was clearing the sky from Sauron's dark clouds to fuck with the orcs, allthough in the movies that detail really isn't that much clear. And finally, in the books he loses by divine intervention AGAIN when Gollum trips and falls, which in the movies looks more like a result of his fight with frodo. The movies dont really do a good job of showing how Sauron thinks, which i think is actually a good thing for the story telling of the triology, but it also kinda makes him look like an idiot. Sauron doesnt mind taking a military defeat here and there, he loses an army? sure, he can just rebuild more, but men? elves? they cant. If you take a look at Saurons life he lost a lot more times than he won, but in the grand scheme of things it really didn't metter, for every victory middle earth had over Sauron during theese thousands of years they lost countless soldiers that cannot be replaced, unlike Sauron's orcs which he breeds like rabbits. Even when he himself is "killed" it doesnt metter, not only is he completely immortal but with the one ring he can always make a new body, might take a really long time if the ring is lost but it happens very quickly if the ring is with him. Sauron was confortable with losing battle after battle cuz he was always looking at the big picture, playing the long game, knowing he is gonna win in the end. The reasons why he loses in LOTR are very nuanced, you can say his biggest mistake was not guarding Mt. Doom but even then Sauron was low-key right not to, he thaught no one could ever resist the willl of the ring and he was right, what he didnt count on however is in one of Tolkien's most important themes "evil always destroys itself", for Sauron himself didnt view him as evil, but as the only one fit for rule, capable of achieving ultimate order, and THAT, was the only mistake that truly defeated Sauron in the grand scheme of things, not being able to realise his own darkness, and by extension not being able to comprehend altruism and self sacrifice.
Sauron is a psychopath who wants to kill with his bare hands if possible. That's why he reached his hand out towards Isildur (still stupid af from an angelic being of massive intellect). In Tolkien's version Gil-Galad and Elendil fought an epic 2v1 duel against Sauron. Both Elendil and Gil-Galad were killed, and Isildur took the ring from a fatally wounded Sauron.
That was a big plot point, evil often mars evil. One of Sauron biggest issues is he cannot ask people to bring him the ring, because no orc would have been willing to give up the shiny. That may of also been why their no guard on mount doom, Sauron can picture orcs fighting over the ring until they fall in the lava, while also betting no one would intentionally destroy the ring. He did not bet someone would get so close to destroying the ring before getting it stolen.
in the books it’s more of a L for him since he just assumed the ring is at Rohan and then Gondor, and just was so sure of himself that ignored all the commotion in his land which he can feel what’s happening there. But he’s like “Nah, isildur’s great great grandson and this Hobbit named pipin have it, people walking deep in my lands are just spies”
From Sauron's perspective, the Uruk-Hai weren't so much an invention of Saruman as they were a result of Saruman illegally improving on a patent Sauron (as Morgoth's inheritor) owned at the time..
Okay now what's kind of important to remember is that sauron is like fully thinking that eragon is the one with the ring Like the whole point of the story is that sauron overlooks little people and is overly focused on the grandiose tales of kings and Knoebels But in the end it is just a lowly Hobbit that defeats him while he is distracted by the king he thinks has his ring
@@Nomsynho yes. The movie, good as it is muddles certain details. For instance, why wasnt doom guarded? Well..because sauron knew no one in middle earth had the strength of will to throw the ring in. No one. Not frodo, not gandalf, not galadriel, not even himself. So why guard it? Anyone who came would simply be found and taken by the nazgul. And he did not understand why anyone would. He thought aragorn had the ring. That's why aragorn revealed himself in palantir. Sauron thought pippin was frodo, and gandalf and crew figured that if aragorn revealed himself, sauron would think aragorn took the ring from the hobbit because only someone with the ring would be crazy enough to attack mordor with such a small army. Thus sauron would send his armies to stop aragorn, leaving mordor less guarded improving the odds of Frodo's success. Sauron could not comprehend why anyone would destroy the ring.
Take a step back and you realize that the plot of the Second and Third Ages Lord of the Rings is Sauron going "Unlimited Power!!!" And Eru Illuvitar going "You sure about that, son?" Then EI proceeds to tan Sauron's hide like a redheaded stepchild using only five* hobbits. And EI chose to whip up Hobbits as a race just to troll Sauron. Basically the Third Age is Illuvitar showing that he can whip Sauron better than Sauron whips his minions with both hands tied behind his back using only his pinky toe. *Deagol, Sméagol, Bilbo, Frodo, & Sam
i really like that even tough sauron is evil and hell bent on world domination, he stil treats his underlings with decency and respect. no "if you bring bad news im gonna kill you". therefore, his minions actually tell him whats happening instead of what he probably wants to hear. dude knows the value of accurate reports.
I heard somewhere that Sauron was actually bringing pseudo-democracy, industrialization, and reforms to the old-school/stagnant medieval things were. Yeah, his methods were extreme, but I don't think those changes would've come peacefully, no monarchy is just gonna reform itself away and give more power to their subjects.
1:10 to be fair Sauron reaching out towards Isildur makes sense once you realize he killed High King Gil-Galad of the elves by burning his face with his hand. Also Sauron probably wouldn't know about the movie version's added scene of him denying throwing the ring in the fire, because in both the movies and the books it explicitly says that Sauron doesn't believe anyone would think to destroy it, because he thinks all beings lower than him are too power hungry to resist trying to take it for themselves. Also Sauron didn't know where the Shire was apparently, sense it didn't exist when the ring was first swiped from him, so that's why he sends black riders to go and find out where the hell it is hence why they ask "Shire....? Baggins...?" Also the Nazgul were busy during those two thousands years. The Witch King for example in those millennia has done the following; founded the kingdom of Angmar, destroyed the Numernorian kingdom of Arnor, conquered the Gondorian city of Minas Ithil, which was hence forth renamed Minas Morgul, taunted the last king of Gondor into facing him in a one on one duel in which the kings fate is unknown. That's just the Witch King, what the other's were doing is unknown but they likely were busy doing similar things in the East and South. Also in the books the reason the Nazgul ran away is because they thought since Frodo had been hit by the Morgul Blade it was inevitable that he would become a Nazgul and just sort of hand them the ring on command, and also they aren't immortal, one of them simply has a vague prophecy about his death. Sauron showed those images to Pippin because at the time Sauron thought that the traitorous Saruman had captured Pippin with the one ring, and that Pippin was using the Palantir at Saruman's command to taunt Sauron into saying "look what I have" and so Sauron was essentially trying to scare Saruman into thinking that Sauron's forces are still greater and will smush him like a bug even with the ring. You got what he was thinking while they were at the black gate kind of correct, though I may clarify that Sauron thought Aragorn had claimed the ring as an heirloom of his house and planned to wield it against him, hence his delusions of grandeur to face all of Mordor with a couple men and a wizard. Yeah but Sauron had no clue about Frodo and Sam being in Mordor or even trying to enter Mordor until Frodo put the ring on in Mount Doom, before that he thought Frodo was some kind of scout or spy sent by the fellowship to look for weaknesses in Mordor's defenses.
So, from what I remembered, I dont think Sauron even knww what a "Hobbit" or "the shire" even were. In this parody, hed probably ask "what in the hell are you talking about, are you making up worda? The fucks a hobbit?"
They literally didn't know who or what they were or where the shire was, its like if it was in a small mountain town in Alabama. It's why it took forever for the nazgul to find them
if it was books from sauron's perspective, it's even more infuriating...there were so many times that frodo/fellowship prevailed/survived by pure "chance"
@@maartent9697 Not necessarily. Frodo had made Gollum swear by the Ring to help them, and also pointed out that in the last extremity, he would wear the Ring and command Gollum to leap into the fire if Gollum betrayed him. And that's just what happened. Arguably, it's the Ring's own power which caused it to be destroyed. Eru may have given a helping hand though.
That was great, but I wanted to hear the part where the Nazgul trapped the dying hobbit at the fords near Rivendale, and got slaughtered--horses and all--by a flood. Then their spirits had to come back to Sauron to be reconstituted. Also, I wanted to hear the part where the underling says, "Oh, uh, the Balrog died." Sauron gets to say, "Wait, nine-odd idiots made it through Morea, escaped my half-million goblins, and killed the 5000+ year old Balrog, the only other living demon who served me with under Melchior?" "Uh, yes sir?" "Really, did we get any of them?" "Well, we think the Balrog got the wizard. They fell off the top of the mountain and made a pretty big boom." "And did you check?" "Well, we found the Balrog's bones, but we saw a giant eagle carrying away the wizard's corpse, no doubt to eat."
The world is older than 5000 years - and the Balrog is older than the world. It was probably involved in the creation of the world like the rest of the Maiar.
Well, he was Sauron, the Maia, created from the thought of Iluvatar before the world was formed, and existed for aeons before Morgoth turned him to the dark side of the force. After Luke was born, Bilbo gave him the Ring and then he left to fight Voldemort.
Fun and awesome video. I'm a Tolkien nerd, and it's good to see 99% of the other commenters also enjoyed this. Yes, the movies break from the books a bit, but most of us, including me, got into it through the movies, and the video is really funny.
I love how after Sauron dies, the ground collapses under all the orcs that were attacking the army of Men, but not under Aragorn’s forces. Sauron was just like “Screw killing the Men, I’m taking all of my armies with me!”
The most funny thing about Sauron perspective is: "oh that's ok, there is a real sentient and fairly common person fooling around with my Ring. Soon enough he will start betraying friends, killing people around to keep it, trying to raise an army and start some war... Even if he survives (I don't bet on this: look at this little guy!) the corruption in his soul will bring this dude to me or to Nazguls! And the time passes. And. This. Is. Not, Happening. WHYYYYYYYYYY? 😡🤬
Bookwise he isn't the most powerful. He was getting his ass handed to him the First Age by Huan a talking dog, The Valar + Morgoth, Gothmog the Balrog, Ungoliant who would eat his ass for lunch, Melian. Second Age he got is ass handed to him by Illuvatar himself and the reason he could never take a fair form after the fall of Numenor.
Sauron: "And why didn't you tell me this sooner?" Orc: "Well sir, it took me a week to climb the stairs to get up here" Sauron: "Yeah, but it's good cardio"
"The Nazgul have just been sitting around for the last two thousand years..." Nah Man they were very busy wreaking the world, it's arguable the real dark lord of the 3rd age was the Witch King and his kingdom of Angmar. Sure he answered to Sauron, but then again Sauron being the Dark Lord of the 2nd age, who in turn answered to Morgoth.
Bit of context for why salron reached his hand out in the beginning. Removed from the films, but he actually faced 3 opponents at once. Isildore, his father and gil gallad. Gil galad was incredible but no match or salron, and solron domonstrated this by grabbing his throat and sending him up in a blaze of flames. And thats also what he tried to do to isildore
I really enjoyed the video! I will note that Sauron did in fact have a body at the time of lord of the rings, and is even suspected of actually torturing Gollum, for at least some of the time, personally. The quotation from Gollum is something like "...he has four fingers on his black hand, but they are enough", implying that he's actually come face to face with Sauron. I know your video was from a movie perspective; even in the movie it could be argued that Sauron did have a body in addition to the shown eye, it was just never seen.
For the palantir: he didn’t know Isengard fall, he through that Saruman was torturing the ring bearer with the palantir so he showed vision of Minas tirith destroyed to break his mind as punishment for using the ring, than he send a nazgul to retrieve the ring ( funny to image the nazgul arriving excepting everything except saruman under siege without the ring and the palantir )
Sauron didn’t realize that he’s up against overpowered social ace, sneaky hairy foot, anti-magic, hard to hit ranged weapon specialists? Yes: hobbits. Thank you for that beautiful video!
Just… just build a bloody door or wall into Mt. Doom and say “NEVER OPEN THIS DOOR UNLESS ITS ME WALKING IN OR OUT, nobody else has ANY business near this volcano!” Btw- your hilarious, I’m subbing :p
They actually got his personality and motives pretty close. The timeline and plot is MASSIVELY compressed, but the wandering around moping and feeling sorry for himself, his considering going good for five seconds before fully committing to the Dark Lord bit, and the storyline of his manipulating the Elves into creating the Rings is about as accurate as a book-to-tv/film adaptation typically gets. You see a lot of people saying they watch entirely for Sauron, and part of it is the actor’s portrayal, but I think a BIG factor is the fact that out of everything, his story and character most closely follows Tolkien’s works (even though the dialogue and individual events feel like they were written by AI). Staying true (ish) to the writings of one of the most beloved storytellers of the 20th century and it works!? Imagine that!
Isildur wasn’t being selfish, Sauron made it physically impossible for someone to destroy the ring on purpose. The way it happened is basically the only way it could have been destroyed.
I always thought it was a little bit of a lost opportunity that Gollum simply tripped and fell in the lava. I think it would have been just a bit more like fate taking a hand if he could have slipped on Frodo's blood/bloody finger - like a just reward for his broken promise to his master and to the ring.
This was the funniest thing I have watched in ages! I never really though of this from Sauron's perspective. Thanks for this. Off to watch another video of yours!
I mean i still got a lot more respect for Sauron than for Voldemort because Voldemort put his soul into seven things and still died at like fifty while Sauron only had the ring and lived for thousands of years, still making that ring in hindsight has got to be his greatest mistake ever since it literally became his archilles foot
It literally did not tho, without the ring he cant come back in a new physical form after having his body destroyed, he would simply be a powerless spirit unable to return, thank to the ring he was able to rebuild his body not once but 3 times, something no other maiar have ever done, the ring is the reason sauron was able to come back 3 times while all the balrogs were destroyed permanently
1:52 whoa, don't you dare to slander my boy Isildur, like Jackson did - Elrond wouldn't be able to destroy the ring either, not even the Saurom could even if he would've decided to - it's referred as a Ruling Ring for a reason.
You do realize Sauron was an arrogant flog and wanted to burn ma boi Isildur's face off right? Like the real Sauron beat them like bear handed and burned Elrond with his hand, think Nomsy think! He beat the best elf and Isildur's daddy there was no way some boy can beat him. *cue finger chop*
"some human" Absolute Numinorian blood slander right there. Numinorians literally could bend multiple inch thick steel with their bare hands and had a whole host of arguably superhuman feats in the lore.
Nice vid. One thing though, didn't Sauron think Pipin had the ring? He would have had no idea about the significance of halflings caught at cirith ungol.
Honestly, it's probably pretty hard to say, the books will give a better go at it I'm sure, but I didn't want to do a thing about the books while using the movies as clips because they're quite different from each other in terms of characterisation and plot
You said it would be unexpected, and it trully was XD Again, a very nice one, cant wait for Alice in wonderlands from the rabbit pov or stuff like that 😂
Yes, but that's kinda the point. Sauron is a Maiar, follower of the Valar, Morgoth, and has spent thousands of years honing his manipulation skills to the point that even thinking that you want to destroy your enemy will tempt you to give him more power over you. So being a godlike being, he wouldn't expect an insignificant, powerless child would be the means by which Illuvitar would bring about your demise.
Pretty sure Sauron didn't see his first hobbit in the films until Frodo sat atop Amon Hen. Like he knows far less than you're giving him credit for. It's possible he only saw his first when Pippin looked at the palantir.
I have one regret in this world and that is editing out the bit where I said this is only about the movies and not the books...
Well, ring-magic isn't explained in a lot of detail in the movie trilogy. In my head canon Peter chose the finger ring thing as a tool for "show don't tell", so the audience understands the connection between Sauron and the One Ring from the moment of the prolog.
Also, people calling Isildur names often don't understand that this behavior was literally put into the Ring's "source code". It was Sauron’s measure to ensure its indestructibility, especially when he isn't in control at that moment time. And it did work on Isildur. It also worked on Frodo, but only after months, not just a few hours.
Gandalf's understanding that Sauron hadn't thought about Hobbits (as they didn't exist then, cough) when he wrote his magic "source code" was what tipped the scales.
Yea you should have left that in the video.
In my opinion, the book version of Isildur taking posession of the ring actually makes more sense, since in that Sauron is already beaten and dying, so its just a matter of getting there and hacking his ring bearing finger off without much of a resistance.
I agree with @PiscatorLager , the movie ring thing is probably meant as a tool of "showing instead of telling"
Fair enough. Saves me a whole load of typing! 😂
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I cannot imagine why :D
Sir a second Hobbit has hit Mount Doom
Wait this joke is too fucking good omg
‘Where are these midget creatures coming from!?’
Sir, the hobbits brought a butler with them.
Wasn't that the plot of the second book?
"Midget tossing by Aragorn has gotten out of hand."
Sauron never knows (nor does he care) what's the name of the hobbit carrying the ring. He just knows that _a hobbit_ is carrying it. So when Pippin looks into the Palantir he automatically assumes that's the ringbearer - and when Aragorn looks into it he believes that now HE has the ring.
When his army is defeated in the Pelennor fields he naturally assumes that happened because Aragorn used the power of the ring, and when Aragorn marches the remainder of the armies of Gondor and Rohan Sauron thinks he has gone mad with power thanks to the ring.
When he learns Frodo has been captured and a Powerful elf warrior (which is what the orcs thought Sam was because he was carrying and empowered by the ring) had freed him he assumed they were spies with no direct connection to the ring, which is why he doesn't think twice about it or put any defences to Mount Doom.
The fact is that Sauron never even considered the possibility that someone might want to destroy the ring instead of using it. He wants nothing but total domination over the world so naturally he believes everyone else wants the same, and hence nobody would turn down the chance of mastering the ring. He only realised what was actually going on once Frodo put on the ring at Mount Doom
In a way he was right, since nobody living on Middle Earth would have been able to willingly destrly the ring, once they got to the place where it could be destroyed anyone weaker than Sauron at his peak would have fallen to the temptation. The only way it could happen was by accident (or divine intervention)
Must think all hobbits look the same
he's pretty mentally limited - total lack of introspection or self-awareness and a one track mind - pretty disappointing considering he's an immortal being only a rank lower than the Valar themselves
no he actually could have known the name of the hobbit because gollum told the name : Beggins, shire that were the two words
@@willc1294I'd say that this is pretty accurate, not disappointing.
Exactly.
TLotR is basically just God playing a prank on Lucifer's top guy for shits and giggles.
Yeah, kinda!
Bruh 💀... why is this so accurate?
lmao now that I think about it its actually true
Eru: "whoops would be a shame if I put the little gremlin out of its missery while, he has the magic ring that binds Morgoths equivalent of Heinrich Himmler in his possession."
Yeah, you are so right))
The One God Eru Iluvatar, Valar, Mayar and other Ainur must be bitterly laughed at pitiful attempts of the DaRk LoRd SaUrOn
So basicly he died in the aftermath of a fistfight between 2 lawn gnomes.
Honestly where were you when I was writing this script my god that's so fucking funny
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Hobbits. Not gnomes. Gnomes have this strange quirk where they can live longer with instense stress. One gnome from Pathfinder: Wrath of the Rightious has an ending like that. He gains longer life because he's so worried about the player making chaos.
How do beat an enemy that gets stronger the more they're under pressure?
@@taramaforhaikido7272 You put them idling into the gardens of people who possess no taste?
Sauron in the books:
1) Hmm, if noone else can defeat the enemy kings, then I will do it myself... (dies, loses the rings, his physical body and his realm for half an age)
2) Hmm, the enemy king is now dead. Interesting. It appears that some random band of orcs completely crushed his squad. But the ring is now lost somewhere in a river. Tough luck.
3) Okay, back to subversive action, sabotage and deception. Yeah and biological warfare. Perfect, half of the enemy realms are gone and the other half is almost dead. And it only costed us an artificial realm that we created only to do this job? Perfect.
4) It appears that this witch-king-guy is kinda competent, unlike literally everyone else under my rule. That is perfect. Im sure he has a bright... DARK, I meant DARK future to look forward to.
5) Let´s join with some dragon, capture a super loaded mountain, then backstab the dragon and eliminate any enemy east of Misty mountains.
6) I´ve never ever seen a plan go tits up THAT quickly...
7) Anyway, let´s rebuild Mordor.
8) Niiice, Harad and Rhun are still my faithful bitches doing anything I ask of them. Maybe I should use more men and less of those stupid orc. Those have brought me nothing but shame. Men are far more efficient... Or maybe not. The orcs may be barely useful even as a training target, but I just can´t be bothered to change my strategy again.
9) Wow, my ring is now apparently in the hands of some Baggins of Shire. That must be a mighty lord. He fought dragons, orcs, trolls, and earned a lot of gold doing that... He was also the one who screwed me a few decades ago. But he´s quite capable, maybe I should hire him... No, Sauron hates nasty hobbitses... Sauron wants to see them... dead.
10) My nazgul squadron was very close, but ultimately lost in a battle against a river. They didnt even scratch their enemy, and suffered a complete loss of their horses. Maybe I should upgrade them to avoid them getting into such fight ever again.
11) Damn, it looks like that Saruman dude is not really on our side. Just pretends to be. Saruman, I´ve heard that name somewhere, where do I know him from??
12) Okay, seems like that Saruman dude is not such a great friend with Rohan after all.
13) AND he got his ass kicked. Now he´s off to Morgoth knows where...
14) Oh wow, now it looks like some damned midget keeps my ring somewhere in Rohan... So that´s how they defeated Saruman. I got it. Better get rid of Gondor before they have a similar idea.
15) Wow, capturing Osgiliath was so easy. Gondor sux.
16) Let´s crush their capital. I´ve sent my general witch-king, and he´s got all the army and equipment he needs.
17) Damn, he got himself flanked, and then killed by some technicality in some prophecy made by some undead elf guy.
18) Aragorn? And he´s got the ring? Oh, so that´s how he defeated my best general. But no matter, because I still hold all the triumphs. Let´s crush Erebor and Gondor at the same time.
19) What, they are attacking?! Well that makes my plans a whole lot easier, if Aragorn wants to just bring me the ring...
20) What?! what spies in Cirith Ungol?! Don´t bother me with such nonsense, I´ve got a war to win...
21) He´s got WHAT in Mount Doom??!!
22) I hate them so much...
Even his rings were completely pointless: he failed to control Elves (he actually buffed them), he failed to control Dwarves, he even failed to control Men (apart from 9). So much effort for such puny results...
@bdleo300 I think his approach was flawed. He probably could have simply restored the remnant Morgoth forces, then use a mixture of intimidation and diplomacy to gain power too great for the Elves to handle. Probably ally with the Dwarves since they didn't like Elves either. Melkor and Sauron's strategic flaw was they were too direct, to simplistic, too brutish. Even the mightiest Empires have to negotiate and use massive fist within a soft velvet glove. Sauron and Melkor were simply, I build my hugely powerful forces and hammer my enemies into submission or destroy them. However, the problem was their enemies were combined, too powerful for this to work. They didn't know when to cut their losses and give up. Unlike Loki in the Avengers, they have too much conviction.
@@bdleo300 He controlled Rhun, Khand, and Harad, which probably amounted to the majority of human population in Middle-earth. But yeah, the Rings of power plan still backfired (talking about the actual rings).
Frankly Saron never made any ‘wrong moves’, during the entire series, given his position…
@ChristopherKetcherside Well. Okay. I think he should have simply realized The game was "rigged" Eru Iluvatar was never going to let neither Melkor, nor he, WIN. Eru was the Supreme Being, but he believed in cheating to defeat Melkor and all the beings aligned with his dark side. Melkor seemed to have an advantage until Manwe, closest in age and strength to him was paired up with his former friend Varda Elbereth, who's Light powers perfectly countered his dark powers. He feared her with good reason. Melkor figured out how to overcome this development however. So then Eru sent Tulkas the strong to successfully reverse that situation. In the end, Eru helped the ring bearer Frodo, and most of those seeking to destroy the Ring.
In the books he was straight-up defeated in combat by Elendil, Gil-Galad and Isildur. There was no wild swing or irrational reaching-down.
I really don't know what's worse tbh knowing he got his ass beat by 3 people when he has an all powerful ring or just a wild swing? Either way, that's a fucking L
It was really just Gil-Galad and Elendil who beat him, Isildur just cut the Ring off Sauron's finger as he lay dead/dying...
I know this is only talking about the movies, but I always had the impression that the last battle of Sauron during “The Last Alliance” was a five on one beat down.
“Alas! yes,’ said Elrond. ‘Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.”
- The Lord of the Rings: The classic fantasy masterpiece by J. R. R. Tolkien
@@Nomsynhoelves were hard as fuck. Even morgoth got wounded by an elf that made him cower away even after killing him..
Just came here to comment this. 👊🏼
Sauron seeing his plans getting shanked by the most random of coincidences is the funniest thing
I think it’s funnier in the books when he was Gollum confessed about “Shire, Baggins” Sauron’s reaction was “what the fuck is a Shire”
Gives me Dumbledore vibes when he is asked about Hufflepuff. "What the fuck is a Hufflepuff"
Robot Chicken, anyone?
Totally!
Bro forgot to mention that the hobbit who rescued Frodo was Samwise MOTHERFUCKING Gamgee. The gardner.
I mean I did say "The hobbit has left only with his gardener." but you're right I have mistreated the man, the myth, the legend himself
Honestly this was originally going to be a Sam video, but then I remembered how comically absurd Saurons story is
_Beware the warrior in a garden..._
If his name had been Samwise Gonzalez, his occupation would have been obvious. ..........And yes, this is a joke and only a joke, meant in a joking manner
Samwise Gamgee, gardener of souls.
@@Nomsynho honestly the fact he a gardener is plot relevant, because the only thing the ring can think of offering him is a giant garden. It basically the evil genie offering you anything you desire to a hippie who goes kind of already got what I want, and am kind of content to the genie increasing desperation.
I can actually picture Sauron, shaking his ethereal fists in frustration and screaming “just send the f*ing Nazgûl, you moron!”
Common W skeletor reaction
These books are actually about an incompetent company management)
In fairness, Sauron's entire life is a rolling calamity.
Becomes lieutenant to Morgoth. Sees the Valar coming to shit-mix his boss and he GTFO of dodge before he gets some.
Captures Beren and Finrod, but gets woozy when he attacks Luthien, and Huan pins him by the throat. Luthien takes the piss for a bit threatening to relieve him of his current physical form which by this point is quite powerful, and Sauron spills the beans before being let go.
Morgoth gets battered by his betters, so Sauron begs for clemency from the Valar. Gets forgiven, but like a little bitch can't face the shame of returning to the Valar's side. Flees to Middle-Earth.
Takes the mantle of dark lord. Hatches a master plan to corrupt the free peoples with rings. The moment he puts the One on, the Elves call him on his bullshit and he has to go to Eregion to get the other rings of power personally, muttering to himself about the fallibility of his plans.
He gets the Seven, gets the Nine, but the Three he really wanted are already gone. Hands out the rings and has some success with the Nine, but the dwarves are too strong to be fully affected, so his plan by this point is perhaps 30% effective.
Decides to push his luck after Eregion and take Lindon, but the Numenoreans turn up and send him packing back to Mordor after massacring his army.
Once back home, gets cocky again, so the Numenoreans come back to spank him and he straight up surrenders, recognising that they'll hand him his own arse if he fights.
Gets taken to Numenor and tries to get them to attack the Valar. God directly intervenes with a "nope" admin-command and deletes Numenor, drowning Sauron and forcing him to go home shapeless. This resulted in the loss of his pretty face, and he looked like an angry hobo ever since.
Builds his body back but is still under-strength when he decides to prematurely attack Arnor and Gondor. The Last Alliance of Ass-Kicking Chads turn up to bully him some more. For lulz one of them cuts his ring finger off and steals his Ring that he spent so much time building his failed master plan around.
Spends a long time hiding and sulking in spirit-form crying about the unfairness of it all.
Decides to take shape in Dol Guldur and just hang out and chill, considering his life. The White Council turn up with an eviction notice and sends him packing. Hobos his way back to Mordor.
Gets his shape back, and again gets cocky. Attacks Gondor and things seem to be going well, until he realises he was paying attention to the wrong guys all along. Hobbits turn up and violate his Ring, and for the last time, he's sent packing, but this time into the Void as a shapeless being unable to effect change or gain his strength ever again.
His is not really a tale of consistent success. Everyone's had a piece of this guy over the years.
Hmmm maybe I need to revaluate which version of Sauron is more pathetic 😂
But thank you for your insight, this was illuminating
Great summary. 😂
impressive,so essentially Sauron is the equivalent of the Buffalo Bills in Middle Earth 😅
@@Nomsynho At least the book version can occasionally get things done. He constantly underestimates his opponents (which you'd think he'd learn from) but at least he isn't a complete b!tch who pines for a mortal woman, and can be easily deceived and defeated by his own warriors.
In the books, after Frodo puts on the Ring, we actually get a few paragraphs from Sauron's POV. He could not even imagine the possibility that someone would ever set out to destroy the Ring.
"And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
in the end, nobody could destroy the ring, even frodo was corrupted before he could destroy it, it fell in on accident
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega oh 100%, what I should have said is that Sauron couldn't believe that anyone would even dare to *attempt* to destroy the Ring. He was so obsessed with power, and he thought that, at least to some degree, everyone else was the same.
@@meorgegoran i agree, true, its the reason why he didnt put a gate at mount doom. (imagine frodo and sam arrive at mount doom and there is a metal gate blocking the entrance, would be the end of the story for frodo)
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega Frodo couldn't destroy the ring even in his own house, in the beginning. Gandalf told him to try but Frodo couldn't do it. Yet he sent him to Mordor to do it nevertheless... aaaand it worked somehow.
@@meorgegoran Sauron obviously knew they were moving towards Mordor. Saruman also knew about their plan. It makes no sense why Sauron took such a risk to leave everything unprotected... leave 100 orcs there ffs you have 100.000.
3:09 Love the implication that they had no idea Smeagol knew anything about the ring until afterward. They were just torturing for the hell of it.
"Ew look at this ugly, slimy, swamp monkey. It's so ugly"
"Let's torture it lol"
"Was thinking the exact same thing"
As you do when you're a minion of BBEG.
Hilarious. But Sauron didn't need a minion to tell him that the Ring fell into lava. He *felt* that.
I mean you're not wrong but I think it's just funnier to think a minion told him
It's a joke bruh...😂
Sir, how are you feeling now that the ring is in the lava of mount doom?
We should request @accolonntv to voice the minion like 40k ork Smahrtyboy Fancypantz
Minion: Sir, the ring has fallen into the lava of Mt. Doom
Sauron: Yeah, I felt that. *Explodes*
This is what it feels like to be a DM.
Except I'm also simultaneously proud of the players for defeating my evil plans.
*What’s even sadder in the books is after the ring is destroyed, Sauron is reduced to a ghost, doomed to watch Middle Earth flourish till the end of time, a weak ghost that is blown away by the wind*
Ehhh hes fine. Amazon says he can fully regenerate on day of death via rat feeding
@@misapheonix They'll probably make a sequel of LOTR - "Somehow Sauron returned"
@@misapheonix Ah, Sauron is "Pickle Rick"!
@@bdleo300The Ring awakens, The last Hobbit, The rise of Baggins.
@@Pieceofdatoast If that ever becomes a reality, I'll haunt you forever
"If anything more goes wrong, I might just explode" 🤣That alone was worth the subscribe. Cheers
8:44 the best part of this joke is knowing Sauron is very familiar with Ents. Ask Sauron where the Entwives went. He knows.
Where... Where did they go?
@@xanmontes8715Ever wonder why the 'Brownlands' became brown? 😬🔥🔥🔥
@@xanmontes8715got a divorce. Took the entkids.
They didn't die! They hid
The entwives live on today in all the beautiful plants of this world
@@xanmontes8715 sauron made an executive decision
10:24, The Witch King dying because of a technicality might be the most ridiculous losses to Sauron, especially in the context of the extended edition for the movies, since he'd summarily beaten Gandalf without much effort, as in an undead mortal beat an angel in the form of a mortal (though you could argue, the Witch King having a Ring Of Power and being in Sauron's service means he's essentially being empowered by a what is essentially an archangel).
They actually made him seem like Sauron's "deadliest servant for just a few moments before some random handmaiden kills his mount and then stabs him in his nonexistent mouth.
I do like that Eowen gets a big kill but she is still of the race of men so she shouldn't be able to kill the witch king. It is ridiculous indeed.
@@origami83in the books. The reason the Witch King was killed in that moment was twofold. It technically has nothing to do with Eowyn being a woman. It was simply prophesied that he would not be killed by a man. He was killed by both a woman and a Hobbit. And that’s the key. It was Merry’s involvement that made the Witch King vulnerable.
Eowyn physically held him off for a short period of time. Witch King gets cocky bcs he thinks he’s fighting a weak man. Meanwhile unbeknownst to him a Hobbit with a magical dagger specifically designed to kill him is sneaking up behind him. Merry stabbing him effectively eliminates all the Witch Kings enchantments making him nearly invincible. Thus giving Eowyn (the primary combatant) the opportunity to deliver the killing blow.
@@josephclinton375 Nice explanation. I would have to look up what the literal propecy was, a man or by men has a different meaning but as you explain it it doesnt matter. Merry was the key.
Didn't the witch king actually die because Merry stabbed him with the barrow blade which rendered him mortal?
@@captainseawolf1 , I'm understanding the lore correctly, something to that effect, weakening his undead form.
01:05 he was reaching out for him because in the books, Sauron grabbed Gil-Galad by the throat and literally incinerated him alive in front of everyone to demoralise the alliance, he was presumably going to do the same thing to Isildur.
Awesome video though, very funny 👏
Thanks my friend, and thanks for the info. I dunno what's worse though, getting your ass beat with an all powerful swing or reaching out like a numpty... Either way... Looks real bad for our boy
Theres also the case of Sauron only having that mace of his in the movies. He doesnt use ANY weapon other than his hands in the books. ...Gods I wish people doing this sorta stuff would actually read the source material and not just go off of movies for their stuff x-x itd make it a lot more interesting
@@shoulderpyro True, but gotta be honest, the design looks damn cool...as an homage to Morgoth's Grond hammer... also to be noted, both Gil-Galad and Elendil were the prime warriors of their age, Sauron killed them both but he was mortally wounded. I can imagine it was a hell of a fight.
@@shoulderpyro But the point of this video is that it is specifically about the movies, I mean it's in the title.
@@LordTKII While that IS true, it still wants for a version thats true to the actual original lore at least. PJ's trilogy is amazing of course but for the sake of making a watchable movie that doesnt take up most of your daytime a LOT had to be cut or changed, resulting in stuff that doesnt make sense in the Movie's shortened content vs the books' original content.
Like Sauron reaching out with his hand. Movie form; This makes 0 sense. You literally have a mace, why bother reaching out?
Book form: Has no weapons. Is leaving even the greatest warriors of the time heavily injured if not straight up dead simply by touching them.
Not posting a security guard outside the ONE GOD DAMN PLACE THE RING CAN BE DESTROYED is next level oversight
There’s a reason why Thanos stopped relying on pawns like Loki and Ronan and finally gathered the infinity stones himself.
What y'all in the comments seem to be forgetting is that for every 4 or 5 military L Sauron took through out the timeline he had a world ending W.
After he made the one ring he dominated about 70% of all middle earth for 1500 year until Numenor intervened, and even when he was captured by Numenor (which he did willingly cuz he knew he could destroy them from the inside) he quickly begins to manipulate the King and takes control over Numenor, which was the mightiest empire ever in the works of Tolkien, it was only after he convinced Numenor to invade the blessed realm that Sauron took his first major L and lost his body due to divine intervention from God himself (and yes, he had already taken quite a few minor L'sz specially with the dwarves and elves but had ultimetly succeded in taking over middle earth so far). Not to mention that by the time of LOTR he had most of the South (Tokien's north Africa) and the Easterlings (Tolkien's middle eastern people) under his commend either by force or diplomacy. Even in the battle of the Pellenor fields (which is probably the most crushing defeat Sauron took during the events of LOTR) was won by a simple yet game changing divine intervention by Eru once again, which was clearing the sky from Sauron's dark clouds to fuck with the orcs, allthough in the movies that detail really isn't that much clear. And finally, in the books he loses by divine intervention AGAIN when Gollum trips and falls, which in the movies looks more like a result of his fight with frodo.
The movies dont really do a good job of showing how Sauron thinks, which i think is actually a good thing for the story telling of the triology, but it also kinda makes him look like an idiot.
Sauron doesnt mind taking a military defeat here and there, he loses an army? sure, he can just rebuild more, but men? elves? they cant. If you take a look at Saurons life he lost a lot more times than he won, but in the grand scheme of things it really didn't metter, for every victory middle earth had over Sauron during theese thousands of years they lost countless soldiers that cannot be replaced, unlike Sauron's orcs which he breeds like rabbits. Even when he himself is "killed" it doesnt metter, not only is he completely immortal but with the one ring he can always make a new body, might take a really long time if the ring is lost but it happens very quickly if the ring is with him. Sauron was confortable with losing battle after battle cuz he was always looking at the big picture, playing the long game, knowing he is gonna win in the end.
The reasons why he loses in LOTR are very nuanced, you can say his biggest mistake was not guarding Mt. Doom but even then Sauron was low-key right not to, he thaught no one could ever resist the willl of the ring and he was right, what he didnt count on however is in one of Tolkien's most important themes "evil always destroys itself", for Sauron himself didnt view him as evil, but as the only one fit for rule, capable of achieving ultimate order, and THAT, was the only mistake that truly defeated Sauron in the grand scheme of things, not being able to realise his own darkness, and by extension not being able to comprehend altruism and self sacrifice.
After hearing this, when the ring is destroyed, I like to imagine that right before Sauron explodes, he yells "OH COME ON, ARE YOU SERIOU-"
Maybe he didn't die to the ring being destroyed, he just finally exploded of rage.
Sauron is a psychopath who wants to kill with his bare hands if possible. That's why he reached his hand out towards Isildur (still stupid af from an angelic being of massive intellect). In Tolkien's version Gil-Galad and Elendil fought an epic 2v1 duel against Sauron. Both Elendil and Gil-Galad were killed, and Isildur took the ring from a fatally wounded Sauron.
Sauron wasn’t killed by the destruction of the Ring. He exploded from sheer frustration.
In the Silmarillion he was beaten up by a magic talking dog
🎶 "That's the story of Wishboneeeeeee doo Doo do do Doo doooo" 🎶
@@Hypnotically_Caucasian More like Clifford the Big Bad Dog
The wolfhound was named Huan.
@@StacieMMeierJuan the big red dog
ok but tbf it was a VERY GOOD DOG.
For a former middle manager of evil, Sauron really lacked in trustworthy lieutenants.
That was a big plot point, evil often mars evil. One of Sauron biggest issues is he cannot ask people to bring him the ring, because no orc would have been willing to give up the shiny. That may of also been why their no guard on mount doom, Sauron can picture orcs fighting over the ring until they fall in the lava, while also betting no one would intentionally destroy the ring.
He did not bet someone would get so close to destroying the ring before getting it stolen.
The Witch King was trustworthy, but like his boss got too cocky.
As a life-long fan of Middle Earth, I loved the whole thing! You made me laugh so hard! 😂😂😂 well done!
Morgoth watching Sauron failing repeatedly from the Void: "Bruh 😐😑🤦♂"
I love the part where he asks "You think two hobbits are gonna... sneak through sheelobs lair without dying?... youre deRANGED bro"
in the books it’s more of a L for him since he just assumed the ring is at Rohan and then Gondor, and just was so sure of himself that ignored all the commotion in his land which he can feel what’s happening there.
But he’s like “Nah, isildur’s great great grandson and this Hobbit named pipin have it, people walking deep in my lands are just spies”
From Sauron's perspective, the Uruk-Hai weren't so much an invention of Saruman as they were a result of Saruman illegally improving on a patent Sauron (as Morgoth's inheritor) owned at the time..
omg Sauron the Ur-CEO would absolutely look at it that way, yes.
I never thought of it from Sauron’s perspective, but you’re absolutely right! He must have constantly been like, “God my employees are incompetent”🤣
Okay now what's kind of important to remember is that sauron is like fully thinking that eragon is the one with the ring
Like the whole point of the story is that sauron overlooks little people and is overly focused on the grandiose tales of kings and Knoebels
But in the end it is just a lowly Hobbit that defeats him while he is distracted by the king he thinks has his ring
Haha eragon, wrong book series
Ah yes, Eragon, Knoebels, this is how spelling works
Thats whats so delicious, all his might, power and dark wisdom...and what broughf him down? Three little hobbits and a touch of divine intervention
Sauron kinda just gave the good guys the ring by trying to give Isildur a hand.😂😂😂
@@jaypeadieL611 well, in the book isildur cuts the ring off of saurons corpse
Shame really that's a lot more impressive than reaching out and getting sliced up
@@Nomsynho yes. The movie, good as it is muddles certain details. For instance, why wasnt doom guarded? Well..because sauron knew no one in middle earth had the strength of will to throw the ring in. No one. Not frodo, not gandalf, not galadriel, not even himself. So why guard it? Anyone who came would simply be found and taken by the nazgul. And he did not understand why anyone would. He thought aragorn had the ring. That's why aragorn revealed himself in palantir. Sauron thought pippin was frodo, and gandalf and crew figured that if aragorn revealed himself, sauron would think aragorn took the ring from the hobbit because only someone with the ring would be crazy enough to attack mordor with such a small army. Thus sauron would send his armies to stop aragorn, leaving mordor less guarded improving the odds of Frodo's success. Sauron could not comprehend why anyone would destroy the ring.
He really is the starscream of lotr
BRO FOR REAL I regret not including this joke, I was thinking about this this morning... But for Saruman after he got defeated by the ents
Take a step back and you realize that the plot of the Second and Third Ages Lord of the Rings is Sauron going "Unlimited Power!!!" And Eru Illuvitar going "You sure about that, son?"
Then EI proceeds to tan Sauron's hide like a redheaded stepchild using only five* hobbits. And EI chose to whip up Hobbits as a race just to troll Sauron.
Basically the Third Age is Illuvitar showing that he can whip Sauron better than Sauron whips his minions with both hands tied behind his back using only his pinky toe.
*Deagol, Sméagol, Bilbo, Frodo, & Sam
Everytime Sauron gets mad the Mount Doom ever so slowly erupting.
i really like that even tough sauron is evil and hell bent on world domination, he stil treats his underlings with decency and respect.
no "if you bring bad news im gonna kill you". therefore, his minions actually tell him whats happening instead of what he probably wants to hear.
dude knows the value of accurate reports.
Professionals have standards.
He was the Devil's lieutenant for a long time. So he knows what how to treat employees.
I heard somewhere that Sauron was actually bringing pseudo-democracy, industrialization, and reforms to the old-school/stagnant medieval things were.
Yeah, his methods were extreme, but I don't think those changes would've come peacefully, no monarchy is just gonna reform itself away and give more power to their subjects.
'He's not picking up his palantier' XD XD XD I'm dead
I didn't realize how bad Sauron was losing from the very beginning😂❤
He's like the embodiment of downbad
1:10 to be fair Sauron reaching out towards Isildur makes sense once you realize he killed High King Gil-Galad of the elves by burning his face with his hand. Also Sauron probably wouldn't know about the movie version's added scene of him denying throwing the ring in the fire, because in both the movies and the books it explicitly says that Sauron doesn't believe anyone would think to destroy it, because he thinks all beings lower than him are too power hungry to resist trying to take it for themselves.
Also Sauron didn't know where the Shire was apparently, sense it didn't exist when the ring was first swiped from him, so that's why he sends black riders to go and find out where the hell it is hence why they ask "Shire....? Baggins...?"
Also the Nazgul were busy during those two thousands years. The Witch King for example in those millennia has done the following; founded the kingdom of Angmar, destroyed the Numernorian kingdom of Arnor, conquered the Gondorian city of Minas Ithil, which was hence forth renamed Minas Morgul, taunted the last king of Gondor into facing him in a one on one duel in which the kings fate is unknown. That's just the Witch King, what the other's were doing is unknown but they likely were busy doing similar things in the East and South.
Also in the books the reason the Nazgul ran away is because they thought since Frodo had been hit by the Morgul Blade it was inevitable that he would become a Nazgul and just sort of hand them the ring on command, and also they aren't immortal, one of them simply has a vague prophecy about his death.
Sauron showed those images to Pippin because at the time Sauron thought that the traitorous Saruman had captured Pippin with the one ring, and that Pippin was using the Palantir at Saruman's command to taunt Sauron into saying "look what I have" and so Sauron was essentially trying to scare Saruman into thinking that Sauron's forces are still greater and will smush him like a bug even with the ring.
You got what he was thinking while they were at the black gate kind of correct, though I may clarify that Sauron thought Aragorn had claimed the ring as an heirloom of his house and planned to wield it against him, hence his delusions of grandeur to face all of Mordor with a couple men and a wizard.
Yeah but Sauron had no clue about Frodo and Sam being in Mordor or even trying to enter Mordor until Frodo put the ring on in Mount Doom, before that he thought Frodo was some kind of scout or spy sent by the fellowship to look for weaknesses in Mordor's defenses.
what a hilarious presentation,poor Dark Lord,he really needed to hire a better class of minions 😂 this reminds me of a Monty Phyton skit 🤣
“Sir there walking to Mordor” well that’s fine one dose not simply walk though Mordor …”sir..they’ve walked though Mordor”
So, from what I remembered, I dont think Sauron even knww what a "Hobbit" or "the shire" even were.
In this parody, hed probably ask "what in the hell are you talking about, are you making up worda? The fucks a hobbit?"
They literally didn't know who or what they were or where the shire was, its like if it was in a small mountain town in Alabama. It's why it took forever for the nazgul to find them
if it was books from sauron's perspective, it's even more infuriating...there were so many times that frodo/fellowship prevailed/survived by pure "chance"
Because Eru intervened, whole reason why Gollum tripped
@@maartent9697 Not necessarily. Frodo had made Gollum swear by the Ring to help them, and also pointed out that in the last extremity, he would wear the Ring and command Gollum to leap into the fire if Gollum betrayed him. And that's just what happened. Arguably, it's the Ring's own power which caused it to be destroyed.
Eru may have given a helping hand though.
That was great, but I wanted to hear the part where the Nazgul trapped the dying hobbit at the fords near Rivendale, and got slaughtered--horses and all--by a flood. Then their spirits had to come back to Sauron to be reconstituted.
Also, I wanted to hear the part where the underling says, "Oh, uh, the Balrog died." Sauron gets to say, "Wait, nine-odd idiots made it through Morea, escaped my half-million goblins, and killed the 5000+ year old Balrog, the only other living demon who served me with under Melchior?" "Uh, yes sir?" "Really, did we get any of them?" "Well, we think the Balrog got the wizard. They fell off the top of the mountain and made a pretty big boom." "And did you check?" "Well, we found the Balrog's bones, but we saw a giant eagle carrying away the wizard's corpse, no doubt to eat."
The world is older than 5000 years - and the Balrog is older than the world. It was probably involved in the creation of the world like the rest of the Maiar.
Oh, ok.
Wait, a *giant eagle* ?!
Frank, you checked, right?
Nah, Billy said they fell.
Did Billy check?
I dunno
Oh, effs sake... sorry, boss. We thought Billy Broke-tooth checked.
Sauron chasing hobbits is like you chasing that spider that took cover behind the stove and then ran behind your fridge.
I like the conversation style of this video.
Well, he was Sauron, the Maia, created from the thought of Iluvatar before the world was formed, and existed for aeons before Morgoth turned him to the dark side of the force. After Luke was born, Bilbo gave him the Ring and then he left to fight Voldemort.
Fun and awesome video. I'm a Tolkien nerd, and it's good to see 99% of the other commenters also enjoyed this. Yes, the movies break from the books a bit, but most of us, including me, got into it through the movies, and the video is really funny.
1:04 in the book he grabbed another important elf bloke and burned his whole body inside out with his fucking hand. Thats why i think
I love how after Sauron dies, the ground collapses under all the orcs that were attacking the army of Men, but not under Aragorn’s forces. Sauron was just like “Screw killing the Men, I’m taking all of my armies with me!”
Cause that's not what happened in the book. In the book the orcs just scattered.
@@haroldcruz8550 That's why I'm talking about the movies
7:26 "You had ONE JOB!"
The most funny thing about Sauron perspective is: "oh that's ok, there is a real sentient and fairly common person fooling around with my Ring. Soon enough he will start betraying friends, killing people around to keep it, trying to raise an army and start some war... Even if he survives (I don't bet on this: look at this little guy!) the corruption in his soul will bring this dude to me or to Nazguls!
And the time passes. And. This. Is. Not, Happening.
WHYYYYYYYYYY? 😡🤬
And then the second guy is so wholesome and he's gotta be like "THIS ****ING Gardener???"
Bookwise he isn't the most powerful. He was getting his ass handed to him the First Age by Huan a talking dog, The Valar + Morgoth, Gothmog the Balrog, Ungoliant who would eat his ass for lunch, Melian. Second Age he got is ass handed to him by Illuvatar himself and the reason he could never take a fair form after the fall of Numenor.
0:32 : power *and order* , right?
I guess he is not really into lotr lore, probably just watched the movies once or twice.😅
He is talking about the movies only. He pinned a comment about it.
Sauron: "And why didn't you tell me this sooner?"
Orc: "Well sir, it took me a week to climb the stairs to get up here"
Sauron: "Yeah, but it's good cardio"
"The Nazgul have just been sitting around for the last two thousand years..."
Nah Man they were very busy wreaking the world, it's arguable the real dark lord of the 3rd age was the Witch King and his kingdom of Angmar. Sure he answered to Sauron, but then again Sauron being the Dark Lord of the 2nd age, who in turn answered to Morgoth.
Sauron’s story closely resembles how a good game of Age of Empires II goes for me
as the great philosopher Homer Simpson said… “DOH!!!” 😅
Bit of context for why salron reached his hand out in the beginning.
Removed from the films, but he actually faced 3 opponents at once. Isildore, his father and gil gallad.
Gil galad was incredible but no match or salron, and solron domonstrated this by grabbing his throat and sending him up in a blaze of flames.
And thats also what he tried to do to isildore
Not what i was expecting, but honestly this was a very fun video.
Expect the unexpected. Glad to know it was a fun video
Aragorn decapitates the Mouth of Sauron. Sauron has no mouth and he must scream.
This was good you should do more like this with different villains.
Your wish is my command
With that in mind, I'll subscribe. Please do.
@@Nomsynho thank you for listening and for the heart! ❤️
@@Nomsynho Death from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
Be careful now. Death doesn't take kindly to being mocked. Consider this a challenge.
"Hes not picking up his Palantir" had me dyieng xD like a freakin Phone call :D
I really enjoyed the video! I will note that Sauron did in fact have a body at the time of lord of the rings, and is even suspected of actually torturing Gollum, for at least some of the time, personally. The quotation from Gollum is something like "...he has four fingers on his black hand, but they are enough", implying that he's actually come face to face with Sauron. I know your video was from a movie perspective; even in the movie it could be argued that Sauron did have a body in addition to the shown eye, it was just never seen.
Damn son only 4 fingers? Is that for any particular reason...?
@@NomsynhoBecause the finger holding the Ring he had got cut by Isildur.
@@Nomsynho Like Aenarion said, Isuldur only cut off the one finger (post-humously)
@@Nomsynho And although Sauron grows his body back each time he is defeated, his form is fixed so he can't regrow the finger.
SAM: "I'm his gardener!"
For the end:
Evil minion: He fell into the lava so that means.. we're finished
Sauron: WTF*explodes*
Thank you. I needed this reality check.
For the palantir: he didn’t know Isengard fall, he through that Saruman was torturing the ring bearer with the palantir so he showed vision of Minas tirith destroyed to break his mind as punishment for using the ring, than he send a nazgul to retrieve the ring ( funny to image the nazgul arriving excepting everything except saruman under siege without the ring and the palantir )
Sauron didn’t realize that he’s up against overpowered social ace, sneaky hairy foot, anti-magic, hard to hit ranged weapon specialists? Yes: hobbits.
Thank you for that beautiful video!
Just… just build a bloody door or wall into Mt. Doom and say “NEVER OPEN THIS DOOR UNLESS ITS ME WALKING IN OR OUT, nobody else has ANY business near this volcano!”
Btw- your hilarious, I’m subbing :p
Two hobbits in a trenchcoat then fool the guards and walk right in.
0:53 solid business model….
Instead of Rings Of Power they could have made LOTR parody like this
They actually got his personality and motives pretty close. The timeline and plot is MASSIVELY compressed, but the wandering around moping and feeling sorry for himself, his considering going good for five seconds before fully committing to the Dark Lord bit, and the storyline of his manipulating the Elves into creating the Rings is about as accurate as a book-to-tv/film adaptation typically gets. You see a lot of people saying they watch entirely for Sauron, and part of it is the actor’s portrayal, but I think a BIG factor is the fact that out of everything, his story and character most closely follows Tolkien’s works (even though the dialogue and individual events feel like they were written by AI). Staying true (ish) to the writings of one of the most beloved storytellers of the 20th century and it works!? Imagine that!
I love how Polite both Sauron and the reporting servant is well mannered too.
The point of the story TLOTR is never underestimate the little guy.
1:10 obviously seeing his foe defeated, the dark lord had a change of heart and reached out to help his enemy up. Sauron is such a good guy 🥰
Isildur wasn’t being selfish, Sauron made it physically impossible for someone to destroy the ring on purpose. The way it happened is basically the only way it could have been destroyed.
Sir, a second hobbit just picked up the ring.
I always thought it was a little bit of a lost opportunity that Gollum simply tripped and fell in the lava. I think it would have been just a bit more like fate taking a hand if he could have slipped on Frodo's blood/bloody finger - like a just reward for his broken promise to his master and to the ring.
This was the funniest thing I have watched in ages! I never really though of this from Sauron's perspective. Thanks for this. Off to watch another video of yours!
I mean i still got a lot more respect for Sauron than for Voldemort because Voldemort put his soul into seven things and still died at like fifty while Sauron only had the ring and lived for thousands of years, still making that ring in hindsight has got to be his greatest mistake ever since it literally became his archilles foot
It literally did not tho, without the ring he cant come back in a new physical form after having his body destroyed, he would simply be a powerless spirit unable to return, thank to the ring he was able to rebuild his body not once but 3 times, something no other maiar have ever done, the ring is the reason sauron was able to come back 3 times while all the balrogs were destroyed permanently
Sauron is way more powerful than that plagiarist.
Now I'm picturing Sauron acting like Bricktop from Snatch. "You're not much good to me alive, are you Witch King"
1:52 whoa, don't you dare to slander my boy Isildur, like Jackson did - Elrond wouldn't be able to destroy the ring either, not even the Saurom could even if he would've decided to - it's referred as a Ruling Ring for a reason.
Participating in any form of leadership, you can feel his pain.
"Must I do everything myself"
You do realize Sauron was an arrogant flog and wanted to burn ma boi Isildur's face off right? Like the real Sauron beat them like bear handed and burned Elrond with his hand, think Nomsy think! He beat the best elf and Isildur's daddy there was no way some boy can beat him. *cue finger chop*
I thought Sauron just wanted to give him a hand when Isildur fell down😂
In hindsight I regret not making this joke
"some human"
Absolute Numinorian blood slander right there. Numinorians literally could bend multiple inch thick steel with their bare hands and had a whole host of arguably superhuman feats in the lore.
He reached for him to make him suffer because the heat from his body burns people to death, as he did earlier in that battle.
Never ignore the niffler.
Hahaha.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Nice vid. One thing though, didn't Sauron think Pipin had the ring? He would have had no idea about the significance of halflings caught at cirith ungol.
Honestly, it's probably pretty hard to say, the books will give a better go at it I'm sure, but I didn't want to do a thing about the books while using the movies as clips because they're quite different from each other in terms of characterisation and plot
3:32 "if I had half a body". Sauron had a body during The Lord of the Rings trilogy; at least in the books.
You said it would be unexpected, and it trully was XD
Again, a very nice one, cant wait for Alice in wonderlands from the rabbit pov or stuff like that 😂
One idea I’ve heard is that Sauron was trying to burn Isildur’s face off. …Apparently that’s just something he does. Or did, L.
Yes, but that's kinda the point. Sauron is a Maiar, follower of the Valar, Morgoth, and has spent thousands of years honing his manipulation skills to the point that even thinking that you want to destroy your enemy will tempt you to give him more power over you. So being a godlike being, he wouldn't expect an insignificant, powerless child would be the means by which Illuvitar would bring about your demise.
I don't understand why Elrond didn't defeat Isildur and throw the ring into the lava himself.
We're all wondering that bro🤪
Pretty sure Sauron didn't see his first hobbit in the films until Frodo sat atop Amon Hen. Like he knows far less than you're giving him credit for. It's possible he only saw his first when Pippin looked at the palantir.
12:19 DROP BALL 🏀… statement is REAL LIFE 😮