GOEX Expected this week, ATF Powder Storage Log, MLAIC Championship, Traditions Shedhorns in stock
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- It's a big week for muzzleloading news, today we're jumping in with some updates.
First up we have a new proposed rule by the ATF that could require you to document how much powder you have and where it is stored. It's a proposed rule, but I think you should know about it. The comment period is open right now. Please leave a professional comment about why you oppose this rule. Then we've got Team USA taking gold at the MLAIC Long Range World Championships, congrats to everyone involved! Big news for GOEX Fans, the first shipment of Estes Energetics owned GOEX blackpowder (Newly manufactured) is expected to arrive at the NMLRA just in time for the Fall Championship shoot, September 9-17. It sounds like NMLRA members at the event will be the first to have the chance to purchase the first run of newly manufactured GOEX blackpowder. In muzzleloading industry news, the Traditions Shoehorn and CVA Crossfire have been released. We're seeing continued demand for muzzleloaders, but increased demand for traditional muzzleloaders. A good sign for the preservation of the sport if you ask me!
I'll be at the NMLRA Shoot this weekend, if you see me on the grounds, don't hesitate to say hi and tell me what you love about muzzleloading!
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The proposed rule change is in 27 CFR Part 555, which applies to commerce in explosives. The existing rule already requires reporting when storage commences: "The current regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) requires any person who stores explosive materials to provide to fire safety officials an oral notification before the end of the day on which storage of the explosive materials commenced, and in writing (e.g., email, letter) within 48 hours after commencement of storage. Both forms of notification must include the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such explosive materials are stored."
So what is changing? "ATF proposes amending the regulation to require any person who stores explosive materials to notify authorities having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored upon commencement of storage and every 12 months thereafter. In addition, such persons would be required to provide written notification whenever they discontinue the storage of explosives."
It's my understanding the existing reporting requirement found in Part 555 does NOT apply to the storage of less than 50 lbs. of black powder for sporting purposes and per my reading the proposed rule would NOT change the exemption listed in 27 CFR 555.141, in relevant part: "(b) Black powder. Except for the provisions applicable to persons required to be licensed under subpart D, this part [i.e., Part 555] does not apply with respect to commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed 50 pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or antique devices, as exempted from the term “destructive devices” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4)."
There are another 76 days in the comment period for this proposed Rule change, and I'd recommend those considering submitting public commentary on the record first carefully read the full proposed text and supplementary information at the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking linked above by Ethan, as well as the rest of Part 555 (search Google for 27 CFR 555) for the crucial context that determines when and to whom the proposed Rule would actually apply -- existing licensees or permittees who already have a reporting duty under the CFR.
EDIT: I hadn't yet taken off my lawyer hat last night when I posted this comment. Yikes, I really buried the short answer, which is that it wouldn't change anything for recreational shooters who don't store more than 50 pounds of black powder. (My usual disclaimer to those reading: I'm not your attorney, this is not legal advice, and if you need legal advice consult an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction.)
I'm happy to explain or clarify, Ethan, just drop me a line -- you should still have my email.
Hey Gerald, thank you for the comment. I sent you an email!
Would you be willing to do a ZOOM/Teams meeting with Ethan on this subject and tear into the actual wording and what it means to us? I think that would be interesting to many of us.
Who needs more than 50 pounds of gun powder. They must shoot every day with a lot of friends. I'm still on my one pound since last year even with going to the gun range shoot the flintlock and inline. I was shooting the 2f the 3f and 4f out them. Not bad. In a pinch if had to with 4f. But the 2f 3f both shoot good and that's even using it in the pan. So really I have 3pounds of pounder. But there's a lot in that bottle should last you alittle while. I was using 100gr at the time but went down to 65gr some one told me all I was doing is wasting powder that way and 65 should do what I need for hunting out 100 yards. So that's what I shoot now. I'm just trying to understand why you need 50 pounds. You know when you're getting low make another pound now your good. Lol
Tell ATF to pound sand. Not giving them a back door list of gun powder gun's or ammunition. Never let government agencies infringe on the second amendment.
Ethan is a man out standing in his field.
I see whatcha did there😂
I dig this.
The ATF needs to be disbanded and arrested.
Absolutely 💯 ..!!
Wanting to know where ammo is stored...if you know your history you know why they want to know.
Glad to hear about Goex being shipped.
Nathan thank you for all.
Like how you present your views and opinions.
I told my wife a few years back that I felt THEY will be tightening things up on muzzleloading guns,
Black Powder, and the Black Powder Community.
Hope to see Goex down here in Florida.
Thanks for all you do and give...
Keep it going....
I will dutifully ignore this constitutional violation.
The ATF won't quit until they get their hands slapped, hard. Disband and prosecute.
Yeah fat chance they stop then, as they have been slapped hard multiple times and are still trying.
Keep up the good work, Ethan. It’s great to see young men such as yourself promoting this wonderful activity. Your passion is infectious. I love everything you’re doing. Don’t stop brother.
Thanks so much!
Totally agree on USA made,anything. We need someone else to get into cap production in a big way also.
Ethan I love your sunflowers man! Very cool backdrop for an informational video. I’m jealous most of my sunflower starts were eaten by the baby scrub jays, and the ones that did make it didn’t get anywhere near as tall as yours did.
Thank you, I walk by them every day on the way to the barn and thought they were beautiful. I only ended up with half of what I expected thanks to a couple groundhogs. Shouldn’t be a problem next year
@@ILoveMuzzleloading yup, Nothing a .32 cal thunder stick can’t handle! Lol
Great news about Goex. I was getting ready to make my own, but I really don't want to have to. Who has the time, right? Nice presentation!
I loved the shout-out to Kenockee Tradin' Post! Judy and Anson are great folks. I try to get by there every chance I get. (not enough)
I'll make sure my local meth labs let the fire authority know that they are a hazard too.
Methlabs don’t count.
They already know where they are.
Being a person formerly listed on the ATF explosives responsible persons list, smokeless powder is not considered an explosive as it is a progressive burn powder. Black Powder on the other hand is classified as an explosive and is regulated to be 50 pounds or less at any given “address” so you can’t put 49 pounds in your house, 49 pounds out in your storage shed and so on… 50 pounds max per address without an ATF explosives license… which requires background checks, finger printing and documentation showing a permanent acquisition log (book) of incoming and outgoing for high explosives. It gets deep in a hurry.
Thank you, I get my words mixed up quite a bit and recognize the error about smokeless powder. Thank you for the insight!!
@@ILoveMuzzleloading no worries Ethan… your channel is the best for our sport. I am a gunsmith (amongst other things) and got tired of building bolt guns and started building flintlocks from scratch several years ago and love shooting and hunting with them(I know you don’t hunt, but that’s cool). Getting the information out there is what is important and I thank you sir.
👍 I am with the Government and I am here to help you. 😳
Outside of medical health I cannot think of when creating a database has helped me. As individuals we need to store ammunition and gun powder safely. Of course, this becomes more important for those living in a close quarter urban environment.
Individual responsibility, what a unique thought.
Thanks for spreading the word on the ATF rule
Fire safety is NOT in the scope of the ATF's jurisdiction.... those bucket heads.
That's what I find funny, it's literally none of their business 😂
Unless the aft wants to start fighting fires they really have no business asking anyone.
Absolutely not in the scope. How's the information supposed to get to a FD in case of emergency?
As you said the storage of B. P. and smokeless reloading powders are not a problem.
I always watch your videos and they are always full of information. What is next sulfur and potassium nitrate . It doesn’t really matter I don’t think many people will comply.
Thanks for sharing your video and info keep up the great work 👍👌🔥
I have to work the weekend, but I will be there Tuesday morning and Hopefully Thursday.
Also you did a great job on that Gemmer. How would you compare it to the lyman great plains that we can't get anymore?
Thanks Ethan. I passed on your info to my black powder club.
Not a lawyer, but from what I've read of the rule change and the CFR, the proposed rule change alters CFR555.201(f) from an oral to a written notification requirement for licensees or permitees (manufactures, distributors, and similar) to the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety. The exemptions of CFR 555.141 including the exemption for commercial black powder appears to still apply.
If someone with a better understanding of the law thinks otherwise, please let the community know. Otherwise, I think this changes nothing for the consumer side. That said, I still resent the additional work for the distributors, and wish they would leave well enough alone. Unless they can point to an incident where this was a problem, I don't know why they waste everyone's time on this.
Thank you, so much, I really appreciate the insight. My knowledge is limited of course, so this helps!
At NMLRA in Friendship, IN. Goex is $24, Swiss is $33 and Schuetzen is $20.
Isn't gun powder/black powder a propellent, not an explosive? Would gasoline fall under the same law? And what about fireworks?
So i guess we will never be able to get Blackhorn 209 at all. I bought a CVA Accura a few years back when Blackhorn was the rage. So i bought a Blackhorn breech
plug to shoot it out of my gun. Just about the time Goex went out. The Accura shoots pellets great but i wanted to try the Blackhorn to see if it was as good as all clamed it was. I guess i will try some other loose powder to get the smoke that's missing. Do you think that it will ever return? Also it looks like CVA is going the way of Thompson Center. I go on line to get different stocks for my gun and no longer available.
Check Cabelas if you got one local they had a full shelf of blackhorn this week ….Huntsville, Al location
Won't apply to us or reloaders as we are under the weight limit that trigger reporting. I remember a short period of time where we had to sign for black powder for some reason, that only lasted a short time whatever it was for.
Thank you for letting us know.
ATF is on a shopping spree and I have no wish to be on that list as for GOEX they need to support the Americans black powder shooter by doing what they can to keep the cost down and help us as much as we can help them but times are tuff and lower cost go a long way with buyers
Im like you, if i can buy American made i will do it to support our country and workers
When did fire safety come under the purview of ATF?
Nice sun flowers
Where have you found best place to purchase goex? Wondering if an place close to Central MO that will carry it?
Any update on Olde Eynsford?
Thank you for the updates!
so the march to Cambridge has started
Thanks as always Ethan!
Suppolsy most of Golden Hill production of black powder production in Plane is been ship to US ,wonder under what name they sell it.
In Poland
That’d be great
The cost per shot is not helping the firestick technology and you only have 2 load choices. Side locks muzzle loader are hard to come by here in Canada Pedersoil having the biggest market share . Tradition and cva are all inline I am excited for the shed horn. A arm with old style but with the modern cleaning and load development of today.
Good evening from Syracuse NY brother
I will try to get the price of Goex this Saturday.
Where do you leave the public comment
I too dislike their attempt at establishing a data base of powder owners and tracking. We need to write to our representatives and call on them to stop the ATF’s overreach.
Sounds like Lexington and Concord and two lanterns.
Replace “could” with “will” and you’re spot on.
Smokeless is not an explosive, nor is pyrodex or other BP substitutes...
Thanks for the update.
1:28 is too fast for round ball and they do not have twist rate options so I call this a swing and a miss. Too bad cause I like the idea.
Hey Ethan aren't you afraid to be standing and all that don't they have chiggers and ticks up there Indiana right
Thankfully this is just my over grown garden, I’ve not had a tick in here in years. Our chickens are right by here and that helps me too.
Back in the woods I don’t go unless I’ve mowed a trail this time of year. I treat my woods clothes with permathyn too. I’ll be talking about that before some fall treks
What is the Shedhorn? I’ve apparently been under a rock
I was wondering the same thing 😁
A pound of black powder is no more explosive than a can of starter fluid or spray paint. Where you draw the line? Do I need to report my firewood stash? Free country my ass
Sooooo what your saying is stop buying black powder and just make your own powder. Ok gotcha ;-)
That's basically the same thing the bad mustache man did.then rounded up the guns
" be nice in ATF comments..."
Oh ya like they totally took into consideration and backed down from M855, 7N6, bump stocks, and braces... whatever..
Totally see where you are coming from, I look at it as anything can and will be used to make us look like the bad guys, so I’m not giving them any examples they don’t already have.
Reminds me of the 'community right to know' rules under, I wanna say, CIRCLA(?). Is an annual report, and, as I recall, there was a $25 'fee' that went along with the report. As long as the governmental authority got their fee, the 'report' probably went into the circular file; if the reported location closed, and stopped reporting, the parent organization got an ' inquiry's. 🤔
Not completely true bud. This pertains to those in the sale of 😊
freakin AFT. It's always everything.
Hopefully all that Goex isn't bought up when I get there!
I heard 24.00 a pound at friendship from a board.
We need to remind them what happened when they tried to take the store of powder in Concord.
Free Country
Yay and boo
One of many angles, now that the WW2 veteran's are gone?
Gasoline is explosive. Wonder why storing that or parked cars in a garage would not be reported. That’s a safety hazard.
All regulatory agencies need to be ended and Congress needs to do their job. Only the legislative branch can pass law. Don’t be fooled, regulations that are backed up by law enforcement are law. States need to stand up and take back their power as well.
They want to know where Jim Bob stores his powder but could care less about where all the loads of fentanyl go once they cross the border…resulting in the reason for one of the leading causes of death in this country. I digress.
Go give your opinion, it's easy. If 15k (yea right) of the subscribers here voice their opinion on this proposed rule change, it could be in our favor. If you sit on your hands, they will win automaticity. JMHO
Cool man cool
Yeah not happening, as they already know about the natural gas metering station in my front yard on top of the 250 gallons of liquid explosive known as LPG that is also in my yard. ATF can pound rocks, as if I had to notify ATF about any stored explosives I’d be filling a mountain of paper work over all the combustibles in my shop that have the potential to explode.
I am out of #11 percussive caps! Who, if to anybody, has them?
Make your own..I just ordered a #11 cap maker. About $50 and $25 for the primer powder
I dont like the batfe rule on powder storage. I dont think many peiple are going to comply and follow that rule. Its not a law, not passed by congress.
I'm not worried about that ATF. They got bigger things to worry about. Fine if you want to voice concern.
Sure, it's also pointless. However it's easier for them to go after the little fish.
@youtubesucks-yx6kk The ATF does more good than bad. I know people don't like that opinion, but It's true.
@@stephenpierce2242
most can see that to be true.
However, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms are all legal items and there are plenty of other law enforcement positions that can take care of the same stuff so to the regular person the aft just sounds like a waste of money.
@youtubesucks-yx6kk Well, then we disagree.
@@stephenpierce2242 lol I'm not trying to hate or anything
You are welcome to put up some incidents of them doing good stuff, it's not like there is much of anything good on the internet these days lol
They don’t care what we think regarding these items.
I don’t believe they even read our comments.
They just do whatever they want
I am also not a fan of record keeping or reporting. Good job.
They want to know where our guns and ammunition is, and at the same time take our money and give us a plastic card. Can everyone see where this could go wrong for freedom?
Why doesn't the atf ever go after anything alcohol or tobacco related? Second, traditional ML will never die in my eyes. If i wanted to shoot a copper plated bullet 2k plus fps with a big scope at a animal waaayy over there, I'll just grab a high powered rifle. Lastly, shooting a animal far away is not hunting, its target practice.👍
Boat accident again😢
im not reporting anything, anyway in my opinion goex has always been a trash powder, i wish it wasnt because its american made
I don't know why we have the atf. We need to go back to the way it use to be the way our four fathers lived with freedom live off the land just be free.
These fire stick guns aren't muzzleloaders im sorry it's not. They took the muzzleloader concept out of it when they changed it to a fire stick. I don't like them not traditional enough for me. Might as well use a shot gun . Just saying. It's my apinion .
Who needs 50 pounds of gun powder. I still have 2f 3f and 4f from last year. And we go shooting as much as possible geeze. Lol just make another pound when you see your getting low. Lol