The MAD History of X-MEN VS STREET FIGHTER & Why it OUTRAGED People!? - RARE GAMING HISTORY
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2019
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Today, Top Hat Gaming Man discusses the history of the X-men vs Street Fighter and Why the Game caused Controversy and Outrage.
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Small thing mr top hat... it was a 1mb ROM not RAM - for king of the fighters... the difference is that certain game assets are on the ROM cart wheras the RAM for xmen vs street fighter is just pure memory space thus can be used on other titles wheras the ROM cart is exclusive to that game it came with. Great vid tho.
This game and Marvel versus Street Fighter who was the whole reason I even bought a Sega Saturn
chill, uncle Scrooge
Didn't they have a Super Nintendo release of this game?
Would play the Arcade version all the time, on the single cabinet in the bowling alley I hung out at.
There is a definite difference on the PSX version. But I just realized how many quarters and hours I sunk into that machine. Great times.
I. AM. THE APOCALYPSE!
Xmen vs Street Fighter was not just good because of the cross over but also because of how great it looked with huge sprites and special effects.
If Capcom would have ported SFA2 characters directly without upgrades then the Xmen charachters would have totally killed the SF charachters so I guess it was part of their balancing.
That aside one of the comments my friend said when I asked if he had played the game in Sega world was that it's amazing and he talked about how the SF characters had upgrades to their moves and looked great.
I couldn't wait to play it and when I did it did not disappoint it was better than I had hoped based on the hype and what I had seen in magazines and as a Saturn fan I was very smug having a near Arcade perfect port :P
Intrigued. Heads off to look for Sega Saturn playthroughs of this game....
All Street Fighter Zero games are part of the same series. Same thing goes with my all the Darkstalkers.
I remember buying a Saturn just so I could import this game. ^_^ And ironically Xmen V SF was the first arcade machine I ever bought.
For the people asking "why the outrage/what outrage" or that they've "never heard anyone hating this game," the hate/outrage is apparently from those that played the arcade version, and they're unhappy with the PS port of this game, There is NO HATE for the original arcade version (or the Sega Saturn port for that matter). But the OP however, points out that he himself doesn't think that the PS port was all that bad either.
In other words: no outrage.
When did Sabrewulf invade a Capcom game? Sabretooth says WTF!
I was in to both series as a kid. More for Street Fighter for games. More into X-Men for cartoons and other media.
Same
I’m 4 years late to this video, but I have to concur with everyone. Xmen vs street fighter and marvel superheroes vs street fighter were universally loved and played by everyone, even in Scranton, PA.
I don't recall such a game outraging people when it came out... In fact, I thought it was quite fun and enjoyable.
Well, gotta say it's so difficult to do those bloody 99-hits.
Awesome video. As a hardcore Sega Saturn fan, it was my favorite system of the 90s due to imports, I have to chime in. I’ve played the arcade version religiously as I was fortunate to have a few arcade units near me. Immediately upon playing this game in late 1996 in NYC, I knew with absolute certainty that an accurate port on the PlayStation was a technical impossibility.
Two minor corrections: you called Sabretooth, Sabrewulf. Also, I vividly remember buying the King of Fighters 95 port in early 1996. It was the first Sega Saturn game ever to promise a near arcade perfect port, due to the use of the Sega Saturn cartridge slot. However, this was a 1MB ROM cart, not the familiar 1MB RAM cart. This cart was only used for King of Fighters 95 to store sprites, frames, etc. We did get a 1MB RAM cart that allowed for near arcade perfect 2D ports on the Sega Saturn (Japan only), that could be used with multiple games like Metal Slug, Marvel Superheroes, etc. However, it wasn’t until the release of the 4MB RAM cart with this game that we got arcade perfect ports on the Sega Saturn. Trust me, I used to have this game and X-Men vs Street Fighter in my own personal arcade cabinet (CPS 2 versions) and the Sega Saturn versions running in native RGB on a Sony PVM 2030, and they were absolutely pixel perfect to my eyes. There’s no wonder that the amazing Capcom swan song to the Sega Saturn, Street Fighter Zero 3, is the most coveted port available. That 4MB cart was a true revelation.
Awesome videos. They give this 38 year old gamer nostalgia. 👍
One small detail I loved about this game is that the stage with Beast and Blanka, Blanka isn't there when you pick Charlie.
these types of crossover saved the tired fighting genre during the 90s
Bro this was one my fav street fighter games remeber seeing it in arcades back in the day i use to always play it.
I didn't know that this game even existed until I saw it in the corner of the arcade at the mall 2 or 3 years ago. As a fan a both franchises I was not disappointed.
Better late than never! :)
@@dustineffler7658 Agreed
I fondly remember actually fighting people just to play this game at a local arcade, also fighting people just to stay on since I'm winning matches in said game
You in Vegas? Lets play some Xmen vs Street Fighter!
X-Men vs street fighter needs a true sequel with out the marval characters.
A sequel without marvel characters wouldn't be an x-men vs street fighter sequel since x-men are marvel.
Am I misunderstanding something?
@@abumpers7834 after X-Men vs. Street fighter every other sequel has been marvel vs street fighter or Capcom. the reason I would want a true sequel is it would only include X-Men characters and only include Street fighter characters which means you would have a higher number of characters represented from both series, but with HD graphics. You ever notice how the marvel versus Capcom games only have a few Street fighter characters. I'd like to see all the most popular ones. I'd even be happy with a marvel versus Street fighter if they actually included the most popular X-Men this time.
@@MentalDeviant that was what I hoped you meant, but had to make sure since I know people that think x-men and marvel are separate.
I do agree on that. Everything marvel doesn't always need to be lumped together forcing us to settle for the same x-men all the time.
@Genexolev Ashtiani i also agree with you that it needs a story. There's a lot of epicness that could come out of franchise.
Back in the day, I bought the Saturn XM vs SF that included that ram cart. It was $100 well spent. My friends and I spent months playing the vs mode. Same with the MSH vs SF the next year. But yeah, I rented the PSX version one time just to see the difference. Yikes. No tag team really crippled it & the load times were miserable. The Saturn ram cart eliminated load times.
But if you had nothing to compare it to, i guess it was playable.
Yeah, the rich kids had the Saturn version. Us regular kids had the psx.😁
@@ricky-sanchez If the rich bought it, the Saturn would still be around. It sad after multiple consoles, the Saturn failed.
You can still tag team in the PSX version. Granted its worthless and shallow compared to the Saturn, but it can still be done. Its like how in the PSX version of Marvel vs Capcom, you can't tag team, but you can have Mega Man use Onslaught's EM Wave.
@@shawnlion8181 The rich are not the majority. 10 poor people to 1 rich person.
@@ricky-sanchez Didn't mean to implying anything negative. Sorry. I really wished that the Saturn had succeeded.
"HOLLAH HOLLAH HOLLAH TOP HAT MAN, NOW YOU GOTTA FACE THE UNDERTAKER"
This game was HUGE in the local arcade scene back in the day. I remember long afternoons and nights of "I got next" and tournaments that popped up on weekends.
Umm, the feeling of shooting a Hadouken as big as a Kamehameha 29 feet in the air was ICONIC!!!
and the fact that Ken could do it too
It was no secret that the 2D fighters of the time were better on Saturn, some of the reviewer comments are quite harsh though, i'd be happy to play the psx version over nothing at all. look at the home ports of mortal kombat, alot further from the arcade version compared to the quality of the psx xmen vs sf. good video.
Capcom and Marvel Studios needs to team up to make a cross-over live action movie.
How about a cross over animated movie about X-men characters being invited to the street fighter tournament?
@@andyward8430 Yeah for sure but a game would be even better.
They can put in Kristen Kreuk.
Let's go knock on Disney's door and demand that they make that live action streetfighter X-Men------------
@@BATCHARRO We are not supposed to speak of that. EVER!
This trips me out because in the arcade scene this game was very popular. I personally love this game
Cammy was also drawn from scratch, and then used in the enhanced home port of alpha 2.
But she was new for this game, which was pretty neat.
The only time i disliked X-men vs Street Fighter was the PS ports...Arcade and Saturn port...amazing
Finally a video of the history of this game
6:45 You meant to say Sabertooth, Sabrewulf is from Killer Instinct. . .😂🤣😂
That Teddy Long joke just made you my favorite man who ever wore a top hat while talking about games.
I always found epic when the Shinryuken slowed the my ps1 like a snail!
Marvel super heroes for the Saturn also has a 1MB ram mode and they left it in the American version. Not quite as life changing as the 4mb,but more animation is never a bad deal.
For the life of me, I could never understand why the Saturn port was missing some animation, but, yeah, the Capcom 4 MB RAM cart really did help the Saturn port of MSH a little more.
I still feel that even with the 4MB ram cart, the game still plays very slow compared to MSH vs. SF.
@@Loader2K1 The game only used the 1MB RAM cart. It was merely compatible with the 4MB RAM cart at best. Vampire Savior needed the 4MB RAM cart to store every animation frame needed for a match and it has far less going on with smaller characters than Marvel Super Heroes, so it should be no surprise that the Saturn port of MSH is still missing animation frames even with the 1MB RAM cart.
@@Greybush46322 Saturn MSH was Capcom's first RAM-cart-is-optional game, so I'm going to assume they really didn't optimize what is basically a second version of the game when the RAM cart is present. The situation improved dramatically with Cyberbots and Pocket Fighter where the base mode version and expansion RAM version perform equally smoothly.
I will always have fond memories of this game. The shop near got my school got this game as a arcade cabinet, and of course we were playing before and after.
Glad You did this vid I’ve been playing more of the games again lately and remember what it was like when these hit the public.
need to bring out an collection on ps4 xm vs sf mv vs sf marvel vs Capcom 1 2 like they did with 30th collection
If you know what winkawaks is
You could get that for free .
The saddest part of this review was just how Sega left all their best games in Japan. If they would've brought their 2D games, and especially the RAM cart memory expansion to the West, I wouldn't have ended up buying a Neo Geo CD in 1998. In hindsight I guess I should've just bought a Japanese Saturn. But still, this stuff should've been on our shelves. The blunders that Sega of Japan and America made at that time... it's like they wanted to fail.
True. I wound up importing a Japanese Saturn to play some of the VS. games (MSH vs. SF) and Japanese games. It wasn't to difficult.
I applaud the high level of research and enthusiasm seen in this video. Thank you for putting so much thought and effort in producing this video. We go through life with so many questions and so few answers.
This video is one of those rare times we get an answer like wtf happened to SF vs X-Men on PlayStation.
I personally was fucking in love with this game. Back in the 90's when our mall was still actually popular, I was almost always in the arcade area whenever my mom brought me along to go shopping, and spending dozens of tokens playing this one and only game lol. X-men vs. Street Fighter will always bring back nostalgic memories for me.
This is one of the first imported games I ordered for the Saturn.
What about the Marvel vs Capcom games?
This is the first game in the series basically
I remember when these 90s magazine reviewers reviewed Castlevania: Dracula X for Super Nintendo, all reviews were like: "ZOMG, this is nowhere near as good as Rondo of Blood". No shit, but who even has TurboGrafx-16?
You mention Rogue, Gambit, and Sabertooth as being the only newly added characters to this game. Cammy was also new, as this appearance precedes her appearance in the Alpha series.
Saberwolf? I'm outraged!
Right... He couldn't even get sabertooth name right. Smh.
If I ever make my way to England I want to buy you a beer. Maybe we can go to the Wenchester lol.
My uncle had this game on ps1, my toddler self always noticed how long it took to load between screens
I loved Street Fighter. I loved Capcom’s X-Men, but I never thought we’d see both in a game together. I still remember that day I walked into my local arcade and it was on a big 50-60” screen. And I was just all “wow”. Then I saw it was tag team and I was all “WoW!” Then I saw Chun-Li, Cammy, Rogue AND Storm and was all “... awesome.”
Man am I glad I never played this on anything but the arcade. #OriginalHotDogShop #PittUniversity
Growing up in NYC and hooding it in Brooklyn this was by far the most popular game at the local arcade. The quarters were lined across the entire cabinet.
as someone who loves this game i wish i could have been there lol
Same in Queens
Same in San Francisco
xP local pizzerias
4real bro I remember growing up in the Bronx & every time my family & I use to go to the laundromat everybody in the neighborhood (including me) would play mvc and street fighter vs X-men all the time even if we wasn’t coming there to wash clothes we would jus play mvc
So basically, critics bullied Capcom into making a PS1 version when the console wasn’t powerful enough, then when the Capcom tried to appease them they complained that the game didn’t run very well.
Now that you mention it, Ryu's super hadoken was Iron Man's proton cannon animation
They were 4 new characters for this game. Aside from the ones you listed, Cammy's SFA design debuted here. She'll join the SFA games 'till Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold about a year later. :)
That clip of you chucking the deuce in the intro is funny as hell LMAO
Thank you sir!
If you like infinite combos, this is the game for you. It's broken (way more than MvC2 even) in high level play.
I'm sure we all have our story of expecting the tag team fighting and tried to figure out why it wasnt aviaable. for me, it was when i barrowed Marvel vs street fighter from a friend. i was severly disapointed. i had no idea about hardware limitations other than that playstation had long loading times.
This brings back so many memories, sadly my switched Saturn gave up on me some 10 years ago. Now it's just a husk in need of a repair, if only CEX still did imports and chips/switches 😭 Thank you for the shot in the arm of nostalgia!
The Play Station version of the game was indeed sad. Not only did it remove the tag-team feature, but some combos are not at all possible. Rogue in particular suffers, which is a pity considering that her kiss attack makes her such a cool character. But she can’t battle properly :(
To be fair, I was lucky enough to play the arcade version recently. As a kid, i didn’t know any better.
This game in arcade used to have people lined up for hours waiting to play. My neighbor used to be the one of if not thee best in our arcade plaza. This was 23-24 years ago. He hardly ever lost and was always on top with his combinations and power moves.
Good memories here in Los Angeles.
22:36 "Yes I would HOPE this was the case. I was under this illusion for quite some time as a kid.
The difference between the PlayStation and Sega Saturn version of X-Men vs Street fighter is undeniable proof that Sega Saturn was the superior console of it's generation.
This was an awesome and accurate historical lead up and review of this game. Lots of great memories playing this game on the Saturn. I have a few things I want to mention about the game.
1) For the Saturn import you did not reference the converter cartridge. I believe it was called an ST Key. This was an endeavor as a successful conversion occurred about 50% of the time. That swap from the key to the ram cartridge was hit or miss. Also, we played the game some much that we ended up wearing out one of them. Same thing with the 4 MB ram cartridge.
2) The loading screen on the PlayStation version would take up to 20 seconds to load from what I remembered. There were also a few times that the loading time crossed the 30 second mark. Those game reviews for the PlayStation port were spot on - that version was terrible.
3) I completely forgot that the tag team element was removed from the PlayStation version. Guess I just blocked it out of my memory bank. It was that bad.
I'll never forget as a kid first seeing this arcade game in a movie theater. I just...couldn't BELIEVE what I was seeing.
Best game ever
In Asia, you can see many of this game in every arcade
I had the pleasure of owning this game. In the US, Electronic Boutique sold this to me for $99.99. It included the disc + 4 Meg ram cart. To play this on my US Saturn was a bit of a headache, a real labor of love. Lol. I had to boot the game up with the converter in the cartridge slot, pop the converter out at the right moment and then insert the RAM cart. Timing was everything. It was a great game that really showcased the Saturn's capabilities despite needing the RAM cart to do so.
6:45 Saberwolf? My inner child shudders. And screams Sabertooth!!!! Bub!?!
MEMORIES.... I was 18 when that game came out. Me and my friends played the heck out of that game in the arcade!
Your voice is a dream. Thank you for covering games that were so essential to my youth and that anchored my restless spirit. This game was one of my absolute favorites growing up. By the way, you are an exceptionally beautiful man.
This video just earned you a like and subscribe from me, but the main question I have to ask from you in terms of fighting games, are you going to be covering the marvel vs series as a whole?
Or will you do it as individual games since this one seems like it was about x men vs street fighter, and the other one that I watched that was more or less about street fighter 3 vanilla?
Would also love to see the capcom vs snk series. Keep the great videos coming!
I plan on doing weekly Street Fighter content mostly on single games, next week I plan on doing the history of Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter.
Great video, lots of fun to watch. it would be nice if showed the actuall in game mechanics that your describing at the moment instead of random game play
Okay. . Back in N.Y, I was in junior high at the time. My friends and I noticed it right away when we hit up our local arcades. We played it RELIGIOUSLY. To say the least. lol. What's more, regardless to the arcade we would be at. This game specifically had a HUGE amount of ppl waiting to play. In most situations, a long line would be hell, at best, but while awaiting to challenge the winner, watching the matches were more than enough to keep you hyped. ESPECIALLY, in lower Manhattan Chinatown where the challenge was tip top. OMG "WOOOOO!" is literally the best way to describe the experience. Groundbreaking in fighter gaming. Hands down.
Outraged?!? Never heard of that. Me and my friends all loved this game and never heard any negative things about it.
It was like playing a Saturday morning "What if" (Marvel Comic Book Series) cartoon everyday.
I still wish Capcom had done just a full on "Capcom vs Capcom" style entry of their VS series with MvC gameplay.
The student union building at my school had this and Soulcaliber right next to each other. I may or may not have missed classes playing these.
C-C-C-Combo breaker correction!! Sabrewulf is Killer Instinct Sabretooth is X-men
That Teddy Long reference got me.
What
Dunno where they hated (or ignored) this game. Here in Mexico it was a huge hit and it was played like crazy in the arcade. The sequel (MvsSF) didn't have the same luck for most of the reasons mentioned in this video.
The "tag team" mechanic was pioneered in the secret Ryu+Ken teamup mode in SFA 2
11:11 i always loved the ridoculous poses the sprite based games made some female fighters do to execute moves. I guess it was just the animators having some to pass the time while hand drawing each sprite. Indeed a work of art kind of lost today!
I loved this game, after playing Children of the Atom, Ryus super Hado just felt natural hitting those 3 buttons all at once, the super jumps were great. I loved this game so much, Black dressed Ryu and Juggernaut was my team.. I saw SFIII in London and was blown away but it wasn't until the Dreamcast released them all that I got to check out all these games.. I did play Alpha 1 in the aracdes though and again, it felt natural and easy to play - they did some great work back then, SFIII is only really being appreciated now or at least in the last few years. No bad thing, it was just super advanced is all.. Saturn and Dreamcast = Capcom & fighters dream..
Only outrage I saw was people getting antsy waiting in line to play it. This game was the shit!
I vividly remember the arcade version but the PS not so much
This just became a tag team match? Next they will be going one on one with da undertaker (on the ps1)
I remember the disappointment of playing this on PS. The lag and loading was so awful.
Very entertaining and well done as usual! As far as memories of this game I have very little; I never got interested in Street Fighter games except for SFII, SFII Turbo & SFII Championship (or was it "Tournament?")
SF championship edition was the Sega Genesis version. It was faster than all ports before it.
Dude ur video is pure gold, tons of information. ❤
I owned a Sega Saturn when i was younger and the system was awesome & way better than the PlayStation 1 and 2, i guess Sega just never had any staying power - smh.
The idiocy that Sega as a while went through from late 1994 to early 1998 basically sealed their fate as a first-party video game corporation.
Whining fools begone! Saturn is the king!
It looks like he's playing the arcade version the Saturn one moves wayyyyyy better!
@@4ArchieLee love both versions!
Imagine that,people wanted 1:1 games that were equal to the arcades,not some ported kiddy toy.....
The reason for the huge kamehameha style attacks by Street Fighters is because this was meant to be more of an extreme version of fighting than it already was, kind of like the way Midway made sports games into outlandish, unrealistic versions of themselves (NFL Blitz or NBA Jam). Also, according to the Ken’s ending of Marvel Super Heroes VS SF, the entirety of the VS games were all a dream.
Sadly, I never found this title at the arcades in my area (plus, I had a full-time job that left me little time to hunt for other arcades in the area). But I did play the PS1 version, and at the time it wasn't bad. Then I was able to find the Japanese Saturn version, and was completely blown away at how well it looked and played.
6:45 - "SABRETOOTH, not SABREWULF, that's from killer instinct..
I have a very interesting story with this game. I played the game in arcades and loved it but I didn't get to go to the arcades much so like many, I had to wait for a console port to really enjoy it. The next year while speaking with a classmate I was told about a guy in our area that essentially sold imports but the way it was explained to me he had to put a chip in my PlayStation.
I basically sold some of my PlayStation games in the hopes that when I went to the store it would be there and my luck it was. I basically had to spend $70 for the chip and the game which I was all for cause I just had to have it! Like most young folks, I was a bit ignorant and my experience with the arcade version was pretty much minimal up to this point so while I felt like something was not quite right, I had absolutely no clue just how bad it was lol.
Like the tag element for instance, I could have sworn it was there lol and I didn't realize just how much animation they removed either lol. On top of all of this, I came to find out later that this chip he put into my PlayStation was playing burned games, and the game that he sold me, which was $30 around that time, was a bootleg lol.
Even knowing this me and my friends did not care because the imports in those days would be available months before things would release in the US and we got to play all sorts of games that never got an official release in the states. I knew the Saturn was a better 2D machine because I had heard about the KOF 95 port but I never imagined the PlayStation was lacking in this department the way it was.
Another small technicality;
While mentioning the SNK 1MB "RAM" cartridge you displayed an image of the King of Fighters '95 "ROM" cartridge, which actually contains game assets specific to KOF'95, and isn't compatible with any other title.
Otherwise, a great video about a great game that ushered 16 year old me into the fascinating world of Import gaming!
Cheers
Remember being in yr 8 entering a tournament held by a group of yr 11 at my high school. I completely domninated the competition and won the tournament even after they kept changing the rules during the finals from no infinities, no throws, to only air throws. So I had to play the finals 3 times agianst 3 different people which were all friends of the organisers....
I love how 90s Capcom gave zero fucks about Akuma's art style being completely different to the other characters. I mean it's a horrible decision, but I still had a good chuckle.
This was the game I learned how to do hyper combos and air combos. The local arcade in my town was called Diamond Jem's and all the top guys there only played fighting games. I would just play them and get beat pretty bad and ask how to do a move. Sadly they closed it down in 2002. I'm 36 now and would love to see 90s arcades make a comeback. It was always something me and my best friends looked forward to.
I loved this game and was so happy when I got it for my saturn. Sucks that they never had an american port though.
I played the arcade version a massive amount with my friends at a pizza place we all convened at for tabletop RPG shenanigans. We all still very much appreciated the Playstation version, simply because it allowed us to play against each other without constantly funneling quarters into it.
The look on someone's face when you beat a VS game in 1 credit. Priceless.
90's people, watching xmen animation, playing street fighter 2, saw alpha coming one year prior.
Xmen vs Street Fighter hit the arcades and everybody loved it.
"This is X-Men vs Street Fighter!". Damn. When I hit that start button in the arcade. Great times!
Love this game. Spent so much of my childhood playing this at the arcade